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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Alene Y</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>344540</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I don't disagree with you. That sounds like a good idea. Let's do it.</p> 
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				<title>Forum Shut Down: Forum Shut Down</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Please visit our new home at <a href="http://www.cosmophobia.org">http://www.cosmophobia.org</a> and our new forum site at <a href="http://www.cosmophobia.artelis.co.uk/">http://www.cosmophobia.artelis.co.uk/</a></p> 
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				<title>happy new year everyone! :D: Re: happy new year everyone! :D</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 01:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Alene Y</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>344540</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Thanks Stephen,<br /> I just went and watched it. You're right, it's hard to believe she is 80.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 01:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm holding back. As I come from a very political background that has been marked by activism, it's incredibly difficult for me to hold back. I feel as there are serious falsehoods in this thread and I'll leave it at that.</p> <p>I'll propose something different, lets agree to disagree and move back to future doomsday scams. :)</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 01:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Alene Y</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>344540</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I agree with obaeyens. This is not a political site. I have my own political views and it's difficult to avoid jumping in here. Please just shut it off before we have to.</p> 
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				<title>Well...  2013 is now here.: Well...  2013 is now here.</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It is a brand new day and a brand new year.</p> <p>Let's all just make it an awesome one!!</p> <p>Blessings to you all!</p> <p>SmartyPantz,<br /> Since before the boy named &quot;Sue.&quot;</p> 
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				<title>Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured: Re: Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It's awful hard to tell, but ya.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Notice my warning before it gets too late!</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ok, I will bite, can you kindly show me the missinformation that you are talking about. I would greatly appreciate that. Thanks, I wasn't coming back to this topic, but after reading a post above I decided to comment on some of his points, and add to it with articles that you asked me to provide earlier. I also included a non partisan link to show tax dollars paid by income bracket, and % of the contributions they make to our countries tax revenue&#8230; I will provide it again to illustrate my point&#8230; <a href="http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html">http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html</a>.. No one can claim they aren't paying their fair share.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Just one warning, don't make this a political threat again, that ends in a flame war.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Here most medicines are lower in price when a doctor prescribes it.<br /> And you also get the doctor cost paid back</p> <p>But here everyone has to have an medical insurance.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I know they aren't free, but there are some medecines, like Ibuprofen, that we didn't have to pay; the doctor hands you the recipe and then you go to the pharmacy and they give you the medecine. Of course there are medecines that were never free. Now you have to pay for everything and the medecines for the old people (some were &quot;free&quot; with the recipe) are also expensive now and they don't gain so much money from their retirement pension.</p> <p>This is in Spain, I don't know around the world how's going.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 17:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The heritage foundation is a mouthpiece for everything wrong in this country. It is right wing and politically biased.</p> <p>I thought we were done discussing politics? I seem to think not. There is a great deal of disinformation here.</p> 
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				<title>happy new year everyone! :D: Re: happy new year everyone! :D</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I don't imagine I'll have access to it, but it would be cool to see Petula Clark again after all this time.</p> </blockquote> <p>Alene, somebody has just uploaded one of Petula's songs to YT from last night's Jools Holland Show. Hard to believe she's 80, isn't it?</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3hYRFZIKKo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3hYRFZIKKo</a></p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The Heritage Foundation concluded that the Bush tax cuts led to the rich shouldering more of the income tax burden and the poor shouldering less; while the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) has concluded that the tax cuts have conferred the &quot;largest benefits, by far on the highest income households.&quot; However that same publication indicates that more than 75% of tax savings (and cost to the treasury) went to households in the bottom 99% of income. The underlying policy has been criticized by Democratic Party congressional opponents for giving tax cuts to the rich with capital gains tax breaks while acknowledging some benefit extended to middle and lower income brackets as well.</p> 
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				<title>Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured: Re: Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>What's a nibiru brown dwarf? The present he left in his toilet after eating three chili cheese burritos?</p> <p>Government shill attacks lmao&#8230; these guys are either con artists or just lemmings.</p> 
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				<title>Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured: Re: Chemtrail bullpoop getting featured</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I've run into him before. From his channel:</p> <p>&quot;About NibiruTheBrownDwarf</p> <p>** ATTENTION ALL YOU TUBE USERS: I DON'T RESPOND TO ANYONE COMMENTING ON MY POSTS ANYMORE!!! I DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO READ THEM TOO MANY GOVERNMENT SHILL ATTACKS.**&quot;</p> <p>He's in the 'can't tell if stupid or trolling' class of user. I've seen his hit-and-run style of inflammatory comment before.</p> <p>Carry on thought: There is a substantial chance this user is one of the channels created by PlanetXshockingproof, after he self deleted that channel in a rage quit. He uses the same language, the same emphasis on calling anyone that disagrees 'shills', and the same infatuation with the drawing from the children's encyclopedia. The creation of NibiruTheBrownDwarf came right on the heels of the self deletion of PlanetXshockingproof. BackToConstitution, as noted by other users, may also be involved.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>@Johnny Football: Spoken like a true American, and I couldn't disagree with you one bit. This line hits the nail between the eyes:</p> <blockquote> <p>I can tell you there is a lot of misinformation right now on what is happening in the usa.</p> </blockquote> <p>That is exactly right, this administration has never once had any intentions of not letting the Bush Tax Cuts continue. Using the wealthy as hostage, and making it seem like the Republicans are going to be the blame for this is Politics 101. They've known all along taxes need to go up on the entire country in order to compensate for the enormous amount of money this administration is spending. Missinformation, is the key to this administration and Johnny Football hit it dead on. My parents are older and they have already seen cuts in their medicaid, before Obama care even goes into affect. I could care less, like Johnny said, if our president was a liberal, gay, jewish, muslim, dem, rep, or independant. I have no allegence to a party, and my only basis for voting is judging an individual based on his prior accomplishments. Right, I mean thats what it all boils down to.</p> <p>Here's a list of this Presidents blatant lies to the American Citizens, our elected officials, and even to the Supreme court of our country. Its chicago politcs at best, and again I don't mean to offend anyone. But I had the same concerns over Bush and his cabinet during the Iraqi war, and the stupendous amount of spending his administration was responsible for. Here's the site, and I don't know if they have an affiliation with either side of the isle, but they used Obama's Own Words and quoted him. <a href="http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/">http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/</a>..</p> <p>People forget he promised Hope and Change, Unemployment down to 5% in 2yrs, cut the national debt not add to it, to step across the isle in true compromise, No special interests: Will not be beholding to special interests. (Wall Street fundraisers just a day or so after their bailout. he was given millions from fund raisers, Closing Gitmo: He is commander and chief and has no excuse, Not letting politics influence scientific matters: Over ruled FDA on morning after pill, Benghazi, Syria, Israel, TARP, ending the Iraq war 16 months after elected to presidency and lets also not forget that he took credit for the Bush's time table that was proposed before Bush left office, Afghanastan: <a href="http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-lies-about-ending-the-war-in-afghanistan/...The">http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-lies-about-ending-the-war-in-afghanistan/...The</a> list goes on, and if this were any President my thoughts would be exactly the same as they are now. The truth is our economy isn't going to get better, and Obama knew the situation he was getting into before he took office. He desired to get right to work because of the difficulties that were facing our Banking industry in this country. He knew fully well, and he made this economy his from day 1 in office, and he's so bodly stated. The truth is our national debt is at 17 trillion, and I don't think the average person even understands what that means, nor do they care unless it affects them financially. Our countries unemployment is still hovering around 8%, a drop below nationally, but in some states its still over 10%. 17 trillion, I mean, come on. Wars were budgeted for, TARP was somewhat paid back, so where the hell did the almost 7 trillion come from. Its simple math, and numbers don't lie. Who says the rich don't pay their fair share, and again the numbers don't lie: <a href="http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html">http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html</a>&#8230; This shows the that the top 50% have been paying 97 to 96% of the income tax over the last decade while the bottom 50% have contributed to 3 to 4% over that same time. Whats funny, is the bottom 50% have actually paid less taxes as a group each consecutive year leading up to 2009, while the highest tax payers have actually increased over that same time frame.</p> 
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				<title>US economy: Re: US economy</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 05:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I agree with TheGreatJuju. You never had anything free to begin with. That is one of the great lies told by politicians to get your vote. I hate to give you bad news, but with the re-election of obama america is firmly on the path of countries like spain and greece. My wife is a healthcare professional and works with medicare and medicad daily. We have already thrown our mentally disabled to the side to come up with more money to waste on pork spending by the congress and president. Next is the elderly. No matter what you hear from the most ardent of democrats, republicans, or obama supporters, american has taken a huge leap towards that hole that you see greece now finding itself in. Our debt will only continue to increase as obama has to keep giving money to those people who voted for him. the congress does the same thing. Yeah, I agree, it really is a hard pill to swallow. But Americans have become a country of entightlement seeking individuals. There are too many programs that promise money to people if you vote for the right person. All you have to do is look at the facts and the reality. No matter what any politician tells you, this last election sealed it.</p> <p>My wife an I worked in a state school for the mentally disabled around 20 years ago. It was eventually shutdown due to federal funding being cut. Over time that funding has been cut more and been funnled to &quot;pork&quot; spending for corrupt politicians. Unions have taken their cuts, special interest groups as well. Those who are really in need, the common man, are the ones who are suffering. While the politicians ride the wave of fear and hate, the common man has been pulling the weight of 10. It pains me to say it, but america is a shell of what she once was. Yes, there are good people in the united states. I used to believe politicians listened to the people. When Bill Clinton listened to the people and changed his policies I gained more faith that those leading us did care. Yet now I see a leader how cares nothing about what the average person believes or thinks. The difference is 180 degrees.</p> <p>So do not count on the U.S. economy to improve. A simple understanding of economics will show you that we are not going to anytime soon. The path we chose is one that will only decrease our value to the world marketplace.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I can tell you there is a lot of misinformation right now on what is happening in the usa. The current administration is hurting the average american more than some here will admit. And no, I am not a republican. I algin myslef with no party. I am simply and independent. The reality is that under obama we have declined and the forecast is that we will continue to get worse. That is fact. Our debt is going to increase. That is fact. Spin it however you wish, but these are the facts. Obama lied to a lot of people. However, he also told the truth and has a lot of debts he has to pay off. You can count on higher taxes for the average american, not the wealthy. You people who are being fooled by his banter need to open your eyes. Obama is no different than any other elite. He just chooses to deceive a different portion of the populace. Enjoy, &quot;thinking,&quot; your candidate is telling you the truth. He has lied for, at the miniumum, 4 years. Now you can enjoy another 4 years of increased prices, and decreased wages and jobs. You want to see the future of America? Look no further than Greece.</p> 
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