why does everyone assume that if you have a different view on things that are not in the "main stream" that you are a freak that hides in a bunker and you are male..

Because if you are not hiding in a bunker at this moment then you are a fool, because the first strike might happen right now. If I were you I would get in the bunker immediately and disconnect from the internet because the illuminatie might find you via your computer and silence you. Wahahah…

Hope to never meet anyone of you here. You are all idiots! Maybe you all need to be watching Idiocracy as you might relate better to that crap..

Admit it, you have wasted all your money on useless crap mike survival food, survival guides and bunkers.
You probably also wasted your life in learning to survive instead of having a good education that guarantees your job.
You have been duped by smart marketing people.

The question what will you do when your survival food is about to expire.

Debate me.. what is your proof?? I'm game..

Errr where is yours. You are the one making the claim not us it is up to you to proof it with creadable eviedence not you Coo Coo sites…. You are one with the burden of proof… I don't have to disproove your theory based your speculation you have not prooven anything.

See you in 2013… and beyond…

DubhBairn has been banned from the site for repeated off-topic spam/rants. Maybe I'm getting a bit cranky > in my old age, but I just don't have time to deal with his particular brand of crap.

Opps I guess I won't…

invasion of the 10 foot gingerbread men

mmmmmm gingerbread….

Andrew Gause and the Real World of Money
Antiwar
Campaign for Liberty
Cato Institute
Center for a Stateless Society
Center for Innovative Freedom
Coming Crisis blog
Coming Depression blog
Daily Anarchist
Daily Bell
David Codrea articles @ Examiner
Dmitry Orlov's Club Orlov
Economic Collapse blog
Found. for Econ. Educ.
Future of Freedom Foundation
Gerald Celente @ SHTF Plan
Gerald Celente's Trends and Forecasts blog
GreenWave news
Independent Institute
Information Liberation
Lew Rockwell
Libertarian News
Libertarian Party
Ludwig von Mises Institute
Mercatus Center
Michael C. Ruppert's Collapsenet
Michael C. Ruppert's Lifeboat Hour
Nullify Now!
Oath Keepers
Occupy Together
Patrick Timpone's One Radio Network
Patriot Post
Peak Oil
Permaculture Institute
Reason Foundation
Russia Today news
Survivalist Forums
Surviving Collapse on Facebook
Tea Party Patriots
Tenth Amendment Center
The Daily Bail
Transition Network
Zeitgeist Movement
Zero Hedge

I thought you said creditable sources… sigh!!!

Economic collapse has been suppose to happen for the last 2000 years…??? We are still here…

Edit: oh, and failure to read & heed the Rules.

WOW! finally some people re-acting .. it's really fun to watch.. You all can down me and give no real debates on anything but just mere opinions and nothing to back it up with.. No real counter sources.. This is just a place to tool at people with different ideas.. Your tolerance levels are idiotic at best. Really sad. You all label this as a debate and don't even understand what a debate is.. Ha ha ha!! Name-calling and using stereotypes, opinions as a means as counter-debating is really really really not called a debate; it's called being ignorant.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

A debate isn't just spamming sites. It's articulating your own case and then backing up your arguments with outside sources. Also, I did provide a counter-link to show that one of your links is actual government propaganda, which you decry. Just saying.

LOL! Really, I am so glad you all are not paying attention - it makes it easier to disregard your comments as stupid and small-minded and what has become of too much internet time on your hands. Need to turn off your computer and look outside the box. I was really looking to have an intelligent debate with someone but all I have gotten here is ignorance, small-minded and tunnel visioned zombies that are sitting on butts. "pink" people.. Cattle, sheeple, whatever you want to call it that is all i read here… blah blah blah

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem + http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Also good job nicely lumping us all into one nice group and we'll all insulting you. You might want to take a look at yourself, hence the tu-quoque.

I guess some of you here are soo far gone that you all probably don't even believe that there is radiation in our food and waters, fish etc from Japan (have you watched the news; they have confirmed this)

Red herring, what does this have to do with economic collapse? Oh, I see, just another way to call us all ignorant sheep. Really, bang-up job here of supporting your assertion of an economic collapse. I am in awe.

Having the govt. news (ie Russia Today)

FTFY.

Also, good job completely 100% ignoring every single thing I said and actually building a credible case of your own for why economic collapse is nigh. Spamming a bunch of sites =/= debate, I'm afraid. And since you're just throwing out insults, spamming a bunch of sites and not providing arguments yourself when you hold the burden of proof, how are we supposed to argue? You expect us all to go read all your links and hail you as our great savior opening our eyes to the sacred truth?

LOL! Really, I am so glad you all are not paying attention - it makes it easier to disregard your comments as stupid and small-minded and what has become of too much internet time on your hands. Need to turn off your computer and look outside the box. I was really looking to have an intelligent debate with someone but all I have gotten here is ignorance, small-minded and tunnel visioned zombies that are sitting on butts. "pink" people.. Cattle, sheeple, whatever you want to call it that is all i read here… blah blah blah

I guess some of you here are soo far gone that you all probably don't even believe that there is radiation in our food and waters, fish etc from Japan (have you watched the news; they have confirmed this).. and you actually think that your 401K is a good idea… if you think that is a hoax or inaccurate you all are really too far gone.. Having the govt. news (ie ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and Cnn) admitting such a thing is really scary.. It means it is worse than what they want you to believe.. now that is propaganda!

Time to move on and talk to people who have some intelligence and understanding of politics, the world and economic issues and your rights as a human and person.

I am ready to move on and not deal with tools such as yourselves.. and btw - why does everyone assume that if you have a different view on things that are not in the "main stream" that you are a freak that hides in a bunker and you are male.. You all have made a stereotype of everyone you can and sticking to that small-minded concept makes you all a lethal combo should anything really happen.. i pitty you all _ good bye!

Hope to never meet anyone of you here. You are all idiots! Maybe you all need to be watching Idiocracy as you might relate better to that crap..

They just recycle the same crap over and over again, and they do it because people give them attention and pay money (why do they need money if it'll be worthless anyway?) for their economic collapse guides.

Oh and also, most of the sources you listed there…ha ha, not going to get far on any site populated by skeptics as pretty much all of them A) have clear agendas and B) are not what could be considered even remotely credible. And on Russia Today, you do know that it's an actual example of real government propaganda from the Russian government, right?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RT

Oh, and how about if you actually articulate a case for why the economy is collapsing instead of just listing a bunch of sites to check out? If you're so sure the world is falling apart, certainly you can write about how and why in your own words and backed up by credible sources, right? And do so without calling us sheep or zombies, or otherwise resorting to attacks? Burden of proof rests squarely on your shoulders, and listing a bunch of links without any discussion whatsoever isn't going to pass here.

Zeitgeist Movement

Sweet jesus, you actually think that the zeitgeist is true! How embarassing.

You sound like a typical "zombie" internet person still wondering about-

Blablablablabla
Maybe you should add

The cancellation of Firefly.
The denial of the very existence of pink elephants.
Mickey mouse sighted in New York.
Bart Simpson is a real person.
My grandmother is an alien.

Shouldn't you yourself be preparing for this looming catastrophe, or is that something that hasn't quite crossed your mind yet?

I doubt you will be able to post anything as a "shoehorn" after you have lost your job,

Has already happened a couple of times. Such is life. I'm still here.

your home

Seeing as I'm my own boss with several potential income avenues in any given year, that remains entirely possible but not altogether likely.

your government that you so very trusted (it is obvious that you do)

You're just a bundle of hilarious assumptions, ain't ya? That's sad in a way, because there are several other threads on this forum started by people with motivations ostensibly similar to your own, and my views on matters of politics, economics and such are hardly a secret. Of course, they are also largely irrelevant to the purpose of this website.

Do you really think we will still be where we are at currently or better..

That depends on what you mean by "we" and "better." Economies ebb and flow, by the sheer virtue of actors making subjective decisions in a massive, chaotic system. I think the dollar is in trouble, as all fiat money is doomed sooner or later. I don't think this has anything to do with 2012 or the "re-birthing point" you straightaway dug out of your backside … with a shoehorn.

Debate me.. what is your proof?? I'm game..

You seem so desperate….

The government has been brainwashing people for decades to believe all the non-sense you see about aliens, volcanoes, planets, the sun, planet x, etc.

Well this is new, usually the paranoia brigade turn up here and claim the government are covering up the existence of the things you mention above, you're saying they're promoting it in order to cover up some other kind of massive lie? Ouch…my head hurts.

We cannot stop a sun flare, earthquakes, volcanoes, planets, asteroids, etc. All you can do is prepare.

Prepare for which one? You'd be as well saying we must prepare for the invasion of the 10 foot gingerbread men, you're providing nothing other than wild speculation based on nothing more than your own warped imagination.

Please check out ZeroHedge.com , Micheal Ruppert's Movie "collapse", Russia Today news, survivingcollpase.com, surviving collapse webblog, etc.. to "wake up" from your zombie sleep-state and become the 100th monkey!

It's been a while since a ranting lunatic showed up here. Why don't you try defending your claims with actual data you've compiled rather than spamming a bunch of links to woo world?

You all need to prepare for standing up and taking care of yourselves

Why? Because you and a bunch of hysterical headcases say so? No thanks.

Take time to prepare. Buy some precious gems, metals, food and anything you think you can trade.. (make sure to hide them where your lovely government cannot raid and take them)

And there I must stop, my tolerance for paranoid tripe ain't what it used to be.

List of places to view:

Andrew Gause and the Real World of Money
Antiwar
Campaign for Liberty
Cato Institute
Center for a Stateless Society
Center for Innovative Freedom
Coming Crisis blog
Coming Depression blog
Daily Anarchist
Daily Bell
David Codrea articles @ Examiner
Dmitry Orlov's Club Orlov
Economic Collapse blog
Found. for Econ. Educ.
Future of Freedom Foundation
Gerald Celente @ SHTF Plan
Gerald Celente's Trends and Forecasts blog
GreenWave news
Independent Institute
Information Liberation
Lew Rockwell
Libertarian News
Libertarian Party
Ludwig von Mises Institute
Mercatus Center
Michael C. Ruppert's Collapsenet
Michael C. Ruppert's Lifeboat Hour
Nullify Now!
Oath Keepers
Occupy Together
Patrick Timpone's One Radio Network
Patriot Post
Peak Oil
Permaculture Institute
Reason Foundation
Russia Today news
Survivalist Forums
Surviving Collapse on Facebook
Tea Party Patriots
Tenth Amendment Center
The Daily Bail
Transition Network
Zeitgeist Movement
Zero Hedge

I have many sources that are creditable otherwise. All based on facts not fiction!

But it will be a re-birthing point for economic turmoils we are experiencing. The end of a cycle, an era of electronic wealth and communication world-wide easily will be gone in a matter of current time we are in.

Be sure to log back in on December 22 and let us know how that worked out for you.

Can you say shoehorning?

The government has been brainwashing people for decades to believe all the non-sense you see about aliens, volcanoes, planets, the sun, planet x, etc. except for stopping and taking a look at themselves and the economic situation we are in. We cannot stop a sun flare, earthquakes, volcanoes, planets, asteroids, etc. All you can do is prepare. Same way about our economic situation.

All of you are looking into a foggy mirror while you are cooking in a pot of boiling water as a frog. The future of the world economy is bleak at best and instead of worrying about ET or the Sun we need to survive here at home. Please stay grounded and you will survive. If you are then reading this will make sense.

Please check out ZeroHedge.com , Micheal Ruppert's Movie "collapse", Russia Today news, survivingcollpase.com, surviving collapse webblog, etc.. to "wake up" from your zombie sleep-state and become the 100th monkey!

You all need to prepare for standing up and taking care of yourselves. Take time to prepare. Buy some precious gems, metals, food and anything you think you can trade.. (make sure to hide them where your lovely government cannot raid and take them) Learn a non-electronic form of work that would sustain you if your current job deals with computers, retail, overseas data or is tied to the government funding system fails. Ie. Plumber, Carpenter, farmer, sewing, ink block printing, etc. . We are headed for a brick wall and if you are prepared you will be able to survive this and get yourself in a position where you will not end up in food lines, fighting others for stuff (crap you don't need) and being able to take care of yourself and your family.

Please don't buy into the hype of 2012 and the end is nigh crap!!

I am more worried about your kind come Dec.2012!!! You all will be the ones trying to rape and pillage people thinking the next day you will die.. That is what scares me more than anything.. but we are prepared with ammo, metals,water and food so be careful whose door you come kicking in. There is already crazy murders, robberies, economic turmoils, country defaults etc… all over the media and it will only get worse.

Economic collapse is real and is happening now. Look all around you and you will see it. We are in the final stages of it already. Greece defaulted and the Euro is going bye bye.

Don't think it will affect you; just look around. Food, supplies we get from overseas, oil prices, etc. all are affected.. Our economy is tied to the world economy and vise versa. We are on the titanic and it is slowly sinking.. Do you have your lifeboat yet???…

This is not years away. it is happening now.

So don't read anymore of this crap you see to your left.. all those things could happen but having a roof over your head, food in your belly, water to drink and ways to help you pay for all the previous stuff is what you will be thinking about regardless of the situation. You need water, food and shelter to survive.

Keep grounded and you will not end up being eaten by the bear.. Dont be the slowest camper!!! Wake UP your life is ending one second at a time!

Good Luck!

And yeah, it's not predicted in 2012. It's mid 2013. Facts, get them.

Study cycles of time, day and night, summer and winter, and with minds eye, longer cycles like the procession of the equinox.

A natural occurance, happening soon.

No big deal.