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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 06:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'll simply say that natural disasters are common-place on our planet, the only difference is now there are more people in the way and more news media's capturing the events than there were 40+ years ago.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 06:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hello TrueOrNot,</p> <blockquote> <p>I don't know whether to listen to NASA and you guys…or the people who are syaing that 2012 is the end.</p> </blockquote> <p>Astrogeek has a point that 2012hoax website does supply sources, and 2012 supporters typically have none and the sources are often questionable.</p> <blockquote> <p>I'm very scared…This has actually started interferring with my daily life.</p> </blockquote> <p>I'm sorry to hear this, but there really isn't anything to fear. There's no concrete evidence to justify fear or panic. I think that it may help re-reading what 2012hoax website has to offer and evaluate the site's sources if this doesn't help let us know, and we'll try to help.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 07:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi again;</p> <p>I was raised American (e.g., &quot;liberal yankee&quot;) Baptist, although I prefer to look at the world through scientific eyes, and that gets me in trouble with some people who identify as 'Christian'. I don't begrudge anyone their particular faith or lack thereof, and in fact I've found that many times the atheists are more tolerant and accepting than the self-identified 'Christians'. We've had some examples of that here in the forums.</p> <p>I will say that the pastor is right&#8230; to accept a 'Mayan prophecy' would be to accept their religious viewpoint. Fortunately the question is moot, because the so-called 'Mayan prophecy' isn't. It isn't Mayan (they inherited their calendar from an older civilization) and it isn't a prophecy (the calendar simply reaches a round number). He's also (from my limited understanding) wrong in that the Maya (as far as we know) did <strong>not</strong> sacrifice children. The culture consisted of a large number of independent 'city-states' in what was more-or-less a feudal system, where each city had its own king and priesthood. They traded with each other, warred with each other and competed and jostled for power and influence. Human sacrifices did occur, but (again, from my limited understanding) they would usually be the captured victims of the last battle.</p> <p>This brings up an interesting point&#8230; many people ascribe some kind of advanced knowledge to the Maya, but they engaged in what we would consider barbaric and bloody cultural practices. Why would their knowledge be advanced, considering how they behaved?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 06:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi 'TrueOrNot';</p> <blockquote> <p>So far this year has been pretty active.</p> </blockquote> <p>Perhaps. Perhaps not. I don't know what you mean by 'pretty active' as far as natural disasters. The number of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions is not unusual&#8230; in fact I think it's fairly average.</p> <p>One thing that has changed in the last few decades is that there are a <strong>lot</strong> more people than there used to be. (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Population-1800-2100.png">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Population-1800-2100.png</a> for a graph) This means that whatever happens, it impacts more people than it did, say 30 or 40 years ago.</p> <blockquote> <p>Now they are predicting an extremely active hurricane season.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes they are. Those estimates are based on ocean temperatures in certain key regions. Those temperatures are on the rise, but that has nothing to do with 2012.</p> <blockquote> <p>Earthquakes, volcano eruptions, mass flooding….seems like all of this is adding up to something BIG.</p> </blockquote> <p>You would have to show that those events are more common than they used to be, and I think that the evidence does not show that. One thing that <strong>is</strong> likely to happen is that weather patterns will change as the globe heats up.</p> <blockquote> <p>All of the discussions on Yahoo are people saying that 2012 is the end of the world…</p> </blockquote> <p>Well, there certainly are a lot of people asking questions, that is true. However, just because a lot of people are scared about something doesn't make that something true. A lot of people were scared about y2k as well. Everybody who didn't understand computers that well thought it was a big deal. People who knew computers pretty well thought that it was a big fear-driven ball of nothing.</p> <p>Computer administrators, like me, were inundated with forms and questionnaires from various lawyers requesting we certify that all of our machines were Y2k compliant. Not only that, we had to certify that we had polled our vendors, and that <strong>they</strong> were Y2k compliant. It was ridiculous.</p> <p>I deliberately did not patch one old SCO Xenix machine I had, and proudly showed it to my boss on the first business day after Y2k, ticking along doing its thing, even though It thought it was January 3rd, 100 AD.</p> <blockquote> <p>I've read through your website, but i still have this bad gut feeling that something is going to happen to us all in 2 years.</p> </blockquote> <p>I understand that, and the fact that you've read through this site is a good start. However, you have to ask yourself <strong>why</strong> you have this 'gut feeling'&#8230; Is it because so many people are talking about it? Kind of the old &quot;Where there's smoke, there's fire&quot; kind of thing? Or, are you actually scared by something specific? Is there something that someone is saying that you don't really understand?</p> <blockquote> <p>I'm very scared…This has actually started interferring with my daily life.</p> </blockquote> <p>I'm very sorry about that. This is why we made this site, to help people understand the issues, and thereby realize that there is nothing to be afraid of.</p> <blockquote> <p>I don't know whether to listen to NASA and you guys…or the people who are syaing that 2012 is the end.</p> </blockquote> <p>Well, I would prefer that you listen to us, frankly.</p> <p>Ask yourself this: Which group of people gives you the references so that you can check up on the facts yourself? Which group of people presents their information in a website that is free of ads, does not try to sell you something, and does not ask for donations? Which group of people clearly states their motivation? Which group of people does not try to scare you?</p> <blockquote> <p>There are so many videos on YouTube…Including a few that say they are from NASA…</p> </blockquote> <p>NASA does have videos on YouTube. But they are generally not about anything having to do with 2012, or planet X/Nibiru, or the Mayan calendar. We have some links to people who work for or with NASA that you might like to take a look at: Try <a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/neil-degrasse-tyson">Neil deGrasse Tyson</a> <a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/mike-brown">Mike Brown</a> <a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/david-morrison">David Morrison</a> and <a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/don-yeomans">Don Yeomans</a>.</p> <blockquote> <p>Maybe the Mayans and Nostradamus knew something.</p> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/nostradamus">Nostradamus</a> was a medieval charlatan, a con-man. He didn't even write about 2012. People who say that he did usually misquote him, or make claims about 'lost prophecies'. Besides, when he wasn't writing nonsense riddles, when he actually made testable claims, he was invariably wrong, so he wasn't even a <strong>good</strong> charlatan.</p> <p>The Maya are often attributed 'advanced knowledge' of some sort, but the evidence cited as the indication of this advanced knowledge usually involves either some made-up attribute, like &quot;they predicted the world would end in 2012&quot; (which they didn't) or something that wasn't all that unique, like predicting eclipses and the cycles of Venus. The ancient Greeks did it first, and did it better, but I don't see people running around in fear of Zeus' thunderbolts.</p> <blockquote> <p>Please help me with this. I really need to over come this fear and know the TRUTH.</p> <p>Thank you!!!</p> </blockquote> <p>Hopefully I've helped a bit. If not, if you could be a bit more specific about what is bothering you, then perhaps we can zero in on a specific claim.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>&#8230;that to believe that they say their God will return on 12/21/2012 is saying that I believe in the Mayan God.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>The Mayans never said that, insofar as I'm aware, and they believed in many gods, not just a &quot;God.&quot; See this if you haven't already:</p> <p><a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/mayan-prediction">http://www.2012hoax.org/mayan-prediction</a></p> <p>Also, there's this:</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_religion">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_religion</a></p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi, TrueOrNot. I'll respond in summary by saying the answer is &quot;not,&quot; but read on if you're interested. ;)</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>So far this year has been pretty active.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>No, it hasn't. Earthquake and volcano rates, so far, have not exceeded yearly averages insofar as I'm aware. And I say &quot;averages,&quot; because any given year might see more or less activity relative to surrounding years.</p> <p><a href="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php">http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php</a><br /> <a href="http://www.volcano.si.edu/faq/index.cfm?faq=06">http://www.volcano.si.edu/faq/index.cfm?faq=06</a></p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Now they are predicting an extremely active hurricane season.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Who are &quot;they?&quot; How active is &quot;extremely active,&quot; and relative to what?</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>&#8230;seems like all of this is adding up to something BIG.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Why? What do you think it's adding up to?</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>&#8230;but i still have this bad gut feeling that something is going to happen to us all in 2 years.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Why?</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>This has actually started interferring with my daily life.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Okay, but why? &quot;Something is going to happen&quot; isn't a claim I can respond to, without knowing why you think so. If it's because of volcanoes and earthquakes, I've already addressed that.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>&#8230;or the people who are syaing that 2012 is the end.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>The people who say that have been thoroughly debunked and discredited, on this site and elsewhere. Why would you listen to them?</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>There are so many videos on YouTube…Including a few that say they are from NASA…</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Which videos? What do these videos say?</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>I really need to over come this fear and know the TRUTH.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Truth about 2012 is available by the boatload on this website. Are you seeking some specific &quot;truth&quot; that is not addressed here?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 22:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I forgot to add, I was raised Baptist. So therefore, when I talked to my family and our preacher they both said that in the Bible it stats &quot;no man know not the day nor hour of His return.&quot; The Preacher said that he had been to the Mayan monuments and that they believed in blood scarifice&#8230;of virgins and babies and ball players&#8230;that to believe that they say their God will return on 12/21/2012 is saying that I believe in the Mayan God. I feel like, I am trying to look at it from a religious view and a scientific view and I'm so confused I don't know which way to turn&#8230;..</p> 
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				<title>Natural Disasters</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 22:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>So far this year has been pretty active. Now they are predicting an extremely active hurricane season. Earthquakes, volcano eruptions, mass flooding&#8230;.seems like all of this is adding up to something BIG. All of the discussions on Yahoo are people saying that 2012 is the end of the world&#8230;I've read through your website, but i still have this bad gut feeling that something is going to happen to us all in 2 years. I'm very scared&#8230;This has actually started interferring with my daily life. I don't know whether to listen to NASA and you guys&#8230;or the people who are syaing that 2012 is the end.</p> <p>There are so many videos on YouTube&#8230;Including a few that say they are from NASA&#8230;Maybe the Mayans and Nostradamus knew something.</p> <p>Please help me with this. I really need to over come this fear and know the TRUTH.</p> <p>Thank you!!!</p> 
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