I ask you again, if an object was there, why wasn't it visible before the photos were taken? If an object was there, where is it now? If proponents can't answer these questions and back up their answers with science, then they aren't telling you the truth.

Just to illustrate how easy it is to come up with oddities in photography (especially cheap digital photography), I just stepped out my front door and used my camera phone to take a shot at the street lamp across the street. Check this out:

Do you see the very clear dot to the left of the main light? Well, that wasn't there when I was just looking that way, but it showed up on the camera. Apparently, there is a rogue planet flying over my street, and I didn't even know it.

Many people claim that the object seen can not be Venus.. because it has two moons while Venus doesn't have any.

Please show where the object in that LASCO C2 set has a "moon" in any shape or form, let alone two.

Does this mean they are expecting nemesis?

No, as the article clearly states, it means they are looking for a companion star to our Sun.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/articles/getting-wise-about-nemesis/
Does this mean they are expecting nemesis?

Here are the frames at 3:06 and 7:21.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/insanebluejay/bs01.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/insanebluejay/bs02.jpg

Are you referring to red dot near the lower-left of each one? That's either a lens flare or was Photoshopped into the image by some moron. Seriously, look at it — the thing is partially transparent. And if it was visible to that degree at some time, where is it now? A planet cannot hide and doesn't just disappear, especially not one that close. For crying out loud, THINK about this.

The white dot at 7:21 is either a star viewed through a telescope or it isn't even real. Hard to tell at such low resolution. It is not "Nibiru."

Also, how can they have photos of it on this site: http://208.86.157.237/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11470&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=37cb123975783f7145446d159bdecf0b (the first post with two suns, several pictures)

That is a photo of the sun with very obvious lens flares. The person who made the post admitted taking the shots on a camera phone. Why isn't this "object" visible without a camera? How in the world can it be that close to the sun but only visible in China? That makes absolutely no sense and should scream "hoax" like bloody murder.

You're also getting this information from a place called "2012 Forum," which is absolutely loaded with woo woos. Just look at the people in that thread who want to believe and can't even be bothered to make these very basic considerations. WHY are you going THERE for information, of all places?

But how come you can see it in the last picture too, where colors are inverted?? The blue/white one at the end of the post…

Because the artifacts are in the photo. Either that or someone put them there. Changing the color or filter setting in Photoshop doesn't make artifacts in the original image vanish.

And then there are some other guys on that forum saying that this shows nibiru!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak4-vrnpSiQ&feature=player_embedded.

Guys post videos on YouTube all the time and claim they show "Nibiru." And they're all b.s.

This particular user does the same thing that all idiots of this nature do. He picked an object in the sky, with absolutely no effort put into identifying it, and tried to surround it in an air of mystery on the basis of his own ignorance and laziness.

Here is the SOHO still:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/insanebluejay/bs_SOHO.jpg

Using the date and time frame put forward in the video for the SOHO images, I loaded up Stellarium (star charting software you can download for free) and had a look at the Sun. I found numerous objects in the vicinity of the Sun that the object in the SOHO still could be. Have a look.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/insanebluejay/bs_flushed.jpg

To the top left of the Sun, you will see Mercury. If you get Stellarium and look for yourself, you will find that it occupies this region around the Sun each and every year in mid-to-late April.

The SOHO spacecraft orbits the L1 Lagrangian point between Earth and the Sun. As you can see in this simulation, the orbit does not offer the exact same perspective that we have from the surface. Moreover, the SOHO cameras orient to provide the best view of the Sun, so it will not always match the naked-eye view of an earth-bound observer.

With all of this in mind, and considering the brightness of the object in the YouTube video, it is probably Mercury. Planets in transit across the Sun routinely show up like that on SOHO's cameras. If you check older footage and stills, you will find such images every time Mercury or Venus passes within the satellite's field of view.

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Edit: Using bikenbeer's link, you can produce the following chart.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/insanebluejay/333287017.gif

Venus and Mercury are both clearly within the field of view.

(Thanks, bikenbeer. I didn't even know that calculator existed.)

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To comment further, the person who made the video has absolutely no grounds on which to make claims like, "…a very huge object moving towards the Sun. This isn't no planet [sic]." He has no data regarding distance, velocity or even position, therefore he has no way to calculate the size. Given what I have shown above, a planet is, in all likelihood, exactly what it is, probably Mercury. If not Mercury, there were numerous objects surrounding the Sun at the time of that SOHO segment, which I have highlighted with red arrows in my image linked above. This make these claims about Nibiru or any other rogue object ignorant, unfounded and possibly downright dishonest.

Moreover, does the object in the SOHO images look anything like the alleged "object" in the camera phone photos? The person who took the phone shots contends there is an object roughly 1/4 to 1/3 the angular diameter of the Sun hovering just beside it (never mind the fact that no such object is visible, nor are there any gravitational effects suggesting the presence of such an object). However, the SOHO images don't depict anything even near that size.

You're being suckered by b.s.

How can it be denied when there is soo much videos of two suns

There are no videos of "two suns."

and now even nasas own telescope caught it.

SOHO is actually a joint project between NASA and ESA. In any case, what SOHO "caught" was probably Mercury, as it does routinely.

Edit: Or Venus, as bikenbeer says. Venus is brighter.

Why is nasa saying it doesnt exist when they have footage of it??

The main reason is that it really, really, really doesn't exist, and they don't have footage of something that doesn't exist. Quite simple, actually.

I've now invested WAY too much time in this. If I haven't convinced you, probably nothing will. You're on your own now.

Either way, it is still a lens flare. It is not a physical object in the sky.

Cell phone camera photos and Youtube videos are not evidence for anything, except about the unbelievable gullibility of people.

There are both professional and amateur astronomers, looking at the sky with their telescopes, 24/7, spread all over the world. You would think that they should see if there is something strange happening in the sky. Still, only silence regarding this alleged "Nibiru" from their part. And no, they all do not work for NASA or the U.S. government. United States does not control the entire planet and all it's people you know.

The only people claiming to see "Nibiru" are kooks and crackpots in shady internet forums, posting their lens flare pictures, their images of Venus, Jupiter and Mars (heavily modified photos of all these planets have been used as a "proof" for "Nibiru") and their crappy Youtube videos.

it is only visible in China now, and thats why you can't se it in the northern >hemisphere…

Oh yeah, and we actually DO see the Sun in the Northern hemisphere as well. It was up there even today, believe me or not. It's summertime, so we get plenty of the Sun even here in Finland where I am. And if we can see the Sun, we also should be able to see this object right beside the Sun, if it were there.

Yet NOBODY can see it with their eyes or with actual telescopes. Only cheap cell phone cameras with crappy lenses can take pictures of it.

Hell, you see lens flares in TV shows and TV commercials ALL THE TIME. They are even using them as a cheap special effect.

Can you see these things beside the Sun with your own eyes? No you can't. That should tell you something.

And that this could be "only visible in China" does not make any sense whatsoever. The world spins around it's axis you know. How exactly could this object sit beside the Sun and at the same time be just magically floating over China and be unseen in the rest of the world? Maybe it can do magic tricks?

And why would the Chinese be so silent about this object, if it were really there? You would think that they would go "Gee, that's odd. There seems to be a humongous bright object sitting right next to the Sun, visible in broad day light. Maybe we should, like, call somebody?"

As I said, it is an obvious lens flare.

This is seriously freaking me out!:-( Is it really sure that nothing is heading our way??

And no, I don't believe most of things claimed in the video, but those two things seem weird…

…according to a translation made by someone on GLP that speaks russian

Yeah, consider the implications of that very carefully. Now, briefly considering the rather bad "translation" itself….

This week in the sky, there's a new object: a weak reddish dot.

I don't know when this particular show aired, but there is no "new object" in the sky that fits this description. If something (a planet, no less) was close enough to be naked-eye visible in 2011 and within close proximity of earth in 2012, it would already be visible now. The sheer disconnect between these claims and reality, and the people who buy into it, is astounding.

This is a "dark planet", she Nibiru - a mysterious part of our solar system.

No, it isn't.

The probability of its existence, NASA recognized only in 1982-th year

NASA has never said any such thing. That is a complete lie.

But the planet Nibiru podletit to us so close that the consequences could be catastrophic.

Which raises the question actual scientists have asked repeatedly and gotten no answer for: where is it?

As a consequence - to change the tilt of our planet, and, respectively, and the poles, global cooling, where heat now, and the next world flood.

Where is the evidence of this? What do they mean "the next world flood?" There's no evidence that there was ever a "world flood."

Igor Kopylov, Ph.D., Professor of Moscow Power Engineering Institute: "It is a fact that the Atlanta 20 million years ago, arrived with their planet, which they then blew up - an belt of meteorites from the planet, and they settled down to us on Earth They brought the knowledge and small appliances to us. They brought all the representatives of its fauna. you know, and the mermaids with tails, and others that they have evolved, and then they lived on our planet. "

Igor Kopylov does not even appear to be a real person, at least not in the capacity described. Also, the Moscow Power Engineering Institute is a technical university, and I doubt anyone there is qualified to comment on astronomy or astrophysics in this manner. Regardless, the guy is attributed a quote about the citizens of Atlantis and mermaids. Really, how crazy does it have to get before your b.s. detector goes off? Aren't you the same person I directed to this page in another thread? If not, I highly recommend having a look and reading the material Astrogeek has linked to.

So, if we still do not see Nibiru, that does not mean that it's not.

Classic case of shifting the burden of proof. "Well, I can't provide evidence that my clam is true, but you can't disprove it, either."

Oddly enough, this is all the more reason why "Nibiru" claims are not science. Every time some reason is raised as to why such an object cannot exist as described, proponents retreat and make excuses. Among them: it hides behind the sun (which is nonsense, nothing can "hide behind" the sun — we orbit it once per year); it's a "dark planet" that we simply cannot see (nonsense, because gravity still works); NASA is hiding it (nonsense, because NASA doesn't have a monopoly on looking at the sky). The list goes on. In effect, Nibiru proponents do everything in their power to make their claims unfalsifiable. If they put forth something that can actually be tested, the lie falls apart.

but what could the red dot they mention be?

There are thousands if not millions of red dots visible through powerful telescopes and on astronomy software. The typical YouTube way is to choose a random red dot, call it Nibiru, then post the "discovery" for the gullible masses to fawn and panic over.

In fact, we discussed a similar case a few weeks ago. See here:

http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-240799/ugpsj0722-05-what-s-up-with-that

Also notice the mentioned source …… *drum roll* ….. Godlike Productions.

And how could it come here in only 2 yrs if it is so far away that it appears as a red dot to astronomers now?

It doesn't appear as a red dot to astronomers now, because there is no such object. Also, notice that not a single actual astronomer is mentioned in the text.

Yes, if it were close enough to be here by 2012, it would already be clearly visible with the naked eye. It would have been visible a long time ago, in fact. People who make these wild claims do so without any regard for how large space is or how the universe in general functions.

By the way, the cited text is a (poor) translation of the show…

It is very poor, and it would not surprise me if it's completely fabricated. I don't speak Russian, so I don't know.

Can the sky fall on the ground - the question is no longer relevant. Progressive mankind is waiting for a grand event - the fall of another planet to Earth. Certainly not in the literal sense of the word. But the planet Nibiru podletit to us so close that the consequences could be catastrophic. The point is that Nibiru or how else it is called, Planet X, much larger than Earth, and therefore its gravitational field is much stronger. Its devastating impact we prochuvstvuem in early 2013, when the convergence will be maximized. As a consequence - to change the tilt of our planet, and, respectively, and the poles, global cooling, where heat now, and the next world flood. Two-thirds of the population of the planet simply die.

However, there is another version of what we expect from the mysterious planet. According to one theory, Nibiru - Planet of the Gods it. In ancient texts, they are called Anunaki, that is "descended from heaven," and, according to the same text, the Anunaki - these are our ancestors. Once upon a time, using our planet as a spaceship, they podleteli to Earth and settled her like. Since then, every few thousand years Anunaki arrive to us with the inspection.

Alexander Voronin, President of Russian society to study the problems of Atlantis: "Every 3600 years, it is alleged, is close to the solar system to Earth, and so down to earth, make it some research - and conducting genetic research and genetic operations with the man. Then again, they are supposedly moving to our planet and disappear in the mist of times ".

This frequency of occurrence on Earth Anunaki determined orbit Nibiru. She, in contrast to the trajectories of the other planets of the Solar system, greatly elongated. So it turns out that she then arrives, the vn6ov disappears. The author of this theory has become a famous American scientist Zakaria Sitchin. In his works he drew on the ancient Sumerian texts and in particular the Babylonian poem "Enuma Elisha. Man uninitiated think that this is simply a legend of the war gods. But Sitchin in his works proves that the ancient epic, albeit with the help of images, but accurately describes the process of creation of our solar system five billion years ago. Sumer, though they lived 5000 years ago, knowledge of astronomy possessed almost bigger than we are today. The question, from which they could know this. This is an occasion to reflect on what we have is real and aliens. All the more so as the "missing link" in the chain of human development has not yet been found.

Alexander Voronin, President of Russian society to study the problems of Atlantis: "There exist certain pratsivilizatsii, which gave impetus to the great civilizations - the Indian, Sumerian, Egyptian and even the Central. Many people have myths and legends that their forefathers descended from heaven. 220 human genes do not belong to any earthly organisms - this is what science says. And it is said in favor of the version space - that people are actually descended from space aliens. "

Igor Kopylov, Ph.D., Professor of Moscow Power Engineering Institute: "It is a fact that the Atlanta 20 million years ago, arrived with their planet, which they then blew up - an belt of meteorites from the planet, and they settled down to us on Earth They brought the knowledge and small appliances to us. They brought all the representatives of its fauna. you know, and the mermaids with tails, and others that they have evolved, and then they lived on our planet. "

Igor Kopylov, although the version space is of human origin, but said that the representatives of the ancient pratsivilizatsii arrived from another planet. Although Nibiru on him really existed. However, in his calculations, "Dark Globe" is smaller than describe her Babylonian legend, but also the absolutely insipid.

Igor Kopylov, Ph.D., Professor of Moscow Power Engineering Institute: "The temperature at the edge of the universe is approximately equal to the temperature of space, that is minus 4 degrees Kelvin. Intelligent life and wildlife is all the more impossible for such a distance from the Sun - too little energy it receives. There, the conditions for the existence of life is impossible. "

4 degrees Kelvin - that's about minus 270 degrees Celsius, so that the normal person on Nibiru really lives there. But, according to legend, the gods inhabit this planet, whether they need a lot? And in general, and froze hungry God - this is nonsense, perhaps, even for scientists. Incidentally, with regard to astronomers - in their calculations Nibiru does not exist. After all, the planet of such size, that is described in ancient legends, was summoned to the solar system, gravitational perturbations. And it is not. To explain this could be that the Sumerians knowingly exaggerated the mass of the divine world, showing its outer meaning. Moreover, in the same texts to say: Nibiru - is a big space ship or station. But such objects, according to astronomers in the distant outer space are likely to exist.

Dmitry Vibe, a leading researcher at the Institute of Astronomy of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "In principle, of course, beyond the orbit of Pluto, or, more correctly, outside the zone Koypera we can expect the existence of large bodies, and recent discoveries have proved that in principle there may be more unidentified body, for example, the size of Pluto. "

And Pluto, it's astronomical community has been withdrawn from the list of planets, not too small … at least for the accommodation of ethnic Anunaki. So, if we still do not see Nibiru, that does not mean that it's not. However, the truth is already very close. According to some estimates, by 2011 we will see a dark planet, even the naked eye. A December 21, 2012 Nibiru drop by. It zasiyaet in our sky a bright red star, like a second sun. By the way, whether accidental coincidence or not, but in this day ends and the current era of the Maya calendar.

Dmitry Winter, a writer, researcher: "Each of the eras that have been and will be represented in the form of a long night, after which there is awakening. Now the era is over, ending the night, the sun shall rise, according to Mayan legend, and the awakening of humanity must occur . This is described as a positive process, which people were waiting a very long time preparing for it and when it comes, everything is happy. "

And while the Maya texts said nothing about the planet Nibiru does not link these two events is impossible. All the more so as the Sumerians, and Indians that day - Dec. 21, 2012 - one way or another connected with the coming to Earth Gods.

Dmitry Winter, a writer, researcher: "In humans, according to the texts of the Maya, have to wake up some supernatural abilities. Supernatural is not in terms of laws of nature, but in terms of our current understanding of the laws of nature. According to the Scriptures it is possible to think that people , in fact, become the Gods. "

Of course, to treat all these legends can be treated differently. But their supporters and opponents agree in one thing - to wait is short. So time is very soon, all put in its place."//

This sounds utterly absurd, but what could the red dot they mention be? And how could it come here in only 2 yrs if it is so far away that it appears as a red dot to astronomers now? By the way, the cited text is a (poor) translation of the show…

There is absolutely no evidence that so-called "Nibiru" exists or even can exist. Nibiru believers can't even agree on what the purported object is, where it should be or what it should be doing. I don't know what else to tell you, except that Astrogeek has covered the subject in detail.

http://www.2012hoax.org/nibiru

Since Nibiru defies mathematics and common sense, I hope you can at last put that old cow out of its misery in your mind.

I don't speak Russian, so I can't make heads or tails of that video. It's just some dude talking over a bunch of movie footage that has nothing to do with the science of astronomy.

Is this true?? I know that this planet is said to not exist but if they say on tv, and a astronomer to says that in the show, that it is heading towards earth now could it be true? Please see what you make of it, or the comments.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2009/1210/norway-spiral-a-rocket-scientist-explains-the-mystery

http://www.vce.com/icbm.html
http://www.olive-drab.com/od_nuclear_icbm.php

But what may have caused the other ones that you could read about on the web (Chinese, Kazakstan and others). I don't think that these are caused by extraterrestrials or something like that but isn't there a perfectly normal explanation to this (aside from the rocket one). The Chinese one was filmed in 1988, which I think was before ICBM's where that common, so couldn't this be some kind of light phenomenum or so instead? Anyone?