1992 discovery by NASA

Re: 1992 discovery by NASA

Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:46:02 +0000

I don't want to nitpick here, but the IRAS discovery in 1983 is not the same thing as what seems to be the core foundation of the 1992 discovery. They are actually quite different to be honest. Out of all IRAS sightings in 1983, none turned out to be a planet or planetary body. The 1992 discovery talked about in Yowsa on the other hand seems to originate from the announcement made by NASA 1992 that they had discovered the first major TNO (1992 QB1¹) that is supposed to be PX. They neglect the fact that this TNO only has an estimated diameter of around 200km and is confined to the Cupier zone. But hey, who would double-check, right?=)

Re: 1992 discovery by NASA

Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:31:56 +0000

What everyone is "remembering" is this: Copied from NASA's 2012 debunking web site:
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers

Frequently asked question #3—
3. How can you deny the existence of Nibiru when NASA discovered it in 1983 and the story appeared in leading newspapers? At that time you called it Planet X, and later it was named Xena or Eris.

IRAS (the NASA Infrared Astronomy Satellite, which carried out a sky survey for 10 months in 1983) discovered many infrared sources, but none of them was Nibiru or Planet X or any other objects in the outer solar system. There is a good discussion from Caltech to be found at (spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/no_tenth_planet_yet.html). Briefly, IRAS cataloged 350,000 infrared sources, and initially many of these sources were unidentified (which was the point, of course, of making such a survey). All of these observations have been followed up by subsequent studies with more powerful instruments both on the ground and in space. The rumor about a “tenth planet” erupted in 1984 after a scientific paper was published in Astrophysical Journal Letters titled “Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey”, which discussed several infrared sources with “no counterparts”. But these “mystery objects” were subsequently found to be distant galaxies (except one, which was a wisp of “infrared cirrus”), as published in 1987. No IRAS source has ever turned out to be a planet. A good discussion of this whole issue is to be found on Phil Plait’s website (www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html#iras). The bottom line is that Nibiru is a myth, with no basis in fact. To an astronomer, persistent claims about a planet that is “nearby” but “invisible” are just plain

Just more nonsense with the 2012 hoax.

Re: 1992 discovery by NASA

Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:20:46 +0000

I think that perhaps that is a wrong citation from the beginning, or most likelly fabricated by the woo-woos. It actually works out quite well for them. They claim that NASA announced this in 1992, and when people can't find it (because it never existed) they come dragging these old and tired conspiracy theories stating that NASA is covering it up.

But however, if there in fact was such an object in the Cupier belt why would we assume that it was heading towards us? Isn't it possible, or even likelly, that quite a few unknown objects resides in or beyond the Cupier belt?

Re: 1992 discovery by NASA

Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:44:00 +0000

I can't find any 1992 discovery that could even remotely qualify as "Planet X," nor I can find any source for that alleged NASA press release other than woo sites and a Universe Today article, whose author was equally unsuccessful in attaching that mysterious quote to NASA. The Yowusa site (a woo site) you mentioned claims to have gotten the quote from a Sitchin video, and of course, if Sitchin said NASA said something, they must have said it. Call me crazy, but that doesn't fly.

In any case, yeah, Neptune's mass was revised down by 0.5% after being observed by Voyager 2, resolving the perturbation issues. Planet X and Nibiru believers who keep citing this old discrepancy are only exposing their own ignorance.

1992 discovery by NASA

Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:58:53 +0000

I haven't really thought much about this until now, but do anyone know what discovery some PX sites refer to when they talk about a huge discovery in 1992 (that supposedly is PX)? I've seen quite many claims about a discovery by NASA, but can't find any official announcement from NASA. The only thing that comes even close to this is the discovery of the first TNO. Even so, Yowusa (I think) claims that NASA announced that deviations in Uranus and Neptunes orbits pointed to the existence of a large body within the cupier belt. But I thought these deviations were explained as miscalculations, and now corrected. Or am I missing something here?

And even if there were in fact such a body residing inside the Cupier belt, why would that spell doom for us? Isn't it possible that it isn't going to come even close to us? The only orbital suggestions for Nibiru that I know of is based on Sitchins misinterpretations, so why would we assume that a new discovery would be bad for our existence? Morrisons expression, cosmophobia, seem to be more and more valid in general. Today we don't look forward to new discoverys, we dread them, and that is sad.