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		<title>I&#039;m Terrified</title>
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				<title>Re: Let´s Stop Here</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Although it would be contrary to our usual practice, I believe we should ban Ivan from the site. Our purpose is to save lives, but this lunatic is using the site to spread his fear mongering nonsense. He is likely to be the cause of deaths, and he is doing it on our site.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Let´s Stop Here</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Alright, let's all calm down.</p> <p>Regarding the threat: Threats of violence are never cool. However, in this case Ivan was responding to Moo's question about what he (Gorelik) wished to accomplish, and it was Moo who first introduced the whole &quot;strap a bomb to her chest&quot; thing.</p> <p>As far as I can tell, this thread does not constitute a DMCA problem (which is a copyright thing).</p> <p>I also don't think that it constitutes a 'terrorist threat'.</p> <p>I consider myself a reasonable adult (which is an important legal standard, actually) and I don't think that Gorelik issued a threat.</p> <p>So, for now, the thread will remain up, and administrators and moderators can still post to it, but everybody else is locked out.</p> <p>I may elect to remove the entire thread later in the day, after I've had a chance to get some coffee and food into my system.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Let´s Stop Here</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I am locking this thread.</p> 
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				<title>Let´s Stop Here</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I think it would be a good idea to stop replying to Gorelik until Astrogeek can read these last few posts and act appropriately.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I just reported it to the FBI. Having read Gorelik's website, I'm afraid he really is crazy enough to do something dangerous, and the longer Gorelik's post stays up here, the more trouble Astrogeek could have.</p> </blockquote> <p>It would be great if FBI arrested all CERN terrorists. That would save all of us. That would save the FBI too. Otherwise, physicists-terrorists can kill us all, including FBI.</p> <p>Somebody wrote earlier:</p> <blockquote> <p>Ivan Gorelik should be ignored like the tinfoil-hat-wearing net.kook that he is.</p> </blockquote> <p>Go! Ignore and ban me and such as me.<br /> Nobody must try to stop the CERN in their experiment with Earth’s explosion.<br /> Do not fear to die. Perform your sacred mission; - bring your DNI to other stellar systems.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Proper action would be to save a copy of the material that was submitted, remove the material and report the material and the user to the proper authorities. If you believe that there are intended threats within the material, the proper authorities would be the law, if you believe that the material only consists of slander and/or harassment, then it is best to save a copy and remove the material to avoid a possible DMCA takedown, submit the user to EFF; <a href="http://w2.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-defamation.php">http://w2.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-defamation.php</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I just reported it to the FBI. Having read Gorelik's website, I'm afraid he really is crazy enough to do something dangerous, and the longer Gorelik's post stays up here, the more trouble Astrogeek could have.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>Actually, I &gt;STRONGLY&lt; suggest leaving the material here and to actually report it to the FBI. Let's enjoy nailing the coffin he just dug himself.</p> </blockquote> <p>There's a problem with that, 'A Wise Reader' is correct, if certain material remains, it could provoke a DMCA take down of the site, even though Astro, nor anyone else here shares Gorelik's views, Astro is still responsible, and accountable for the posts on his forum, so if someone posts something that is slandering or harassing and it's reported, Astro can get the short-end of the stick by association and allowing it to remain in place for others to see the slander, etc. and even though it is helpful to show just how much of a lunatic this guy is, it's still harmful to the forum, especially the bombing part.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Only one of several <a href="http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26582">posts</a> by Ivan Gorelik on the PhysForums.<br /> Enjoy seeing his ass get roasted.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Actually, I &gt;STRONGLY&lt; suggest leaving the material here and to actually report it to the FBI. Let's enjoy nailing the coffin he just dug himself.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Girls are the superior gender by far. How is this a surprise?</p> <p>Anyway, He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, you're free to go view PhysForum and see the math they launched at you. I don't really want to find links for you, because I have to read through your posts and that's just a headache waiting to happen.</p> <p>As for you supposedly speaking to a Russian CERN Scientist who started getting all babble-headed on you, I question this.</p> <p>1) I call bullshit.</p> <p>2) If it were true, I bet you were hardly presenting yourself in a serious manner to thusly be taken seriously.</p> <p>As for you not being allowed into Physics Institutes, gee. Maybe your lack of a Ph.D (One year of training to become a physics teacher =/= doctor in Physics) and questionable knowledge and practices, combined with your suggested terrorist attacks on CERN make individuals not want you around?</p> <p>You claimed to have submitted your work, and it got shot down. Do you THINK for a moment that they went over it and laughed it off? I doubt they saw your name on it and trashed it. They likely didn't see anything to respond to, especially with your given hostile and insane nature when it comes to your work being torn into.</p> <p>By all means, google your own conceited name. PhysForum is pretty high on the list with the thread where a number of Physicists there do your math for you and point out your errors. Granted you then try to justify your errors by making them right and the 'Normal Practice of Physics' wrong, or did we forget your activities a few months back?</p> <p>You've been shown your work and it has been found wanting. I shall now quote Lord of the Rings for you.</p> <p>Ahem.</p> <p>&quot;LEAVE NOW, AND NEVER COME BACK!&quot;</p> <p>Thank you.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ivan Gorelik, you wonder why you were banned?</p> <p>&quot;If you also want to save all of us, let we welcome some real physicist. Let's ask him to answer 10 my short physical questions. Let he answer under his real name. I think if CERN physicists are honest and responsible, then they will agree to answer my questions. Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist. Go! Welcome somebody of them. Let they prove that they are not the global terrorists.&quot;</p> <p>Repetitive posts of the same exact sentences over time become spam, these actions are also slander and harassment which are illegal and can result in a DMCA Takedown of a website, or forum. Your assertion &quot;Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist.&quot; can result in a Federal investigation, not of CERN, but of yourself and the website that you submitted the sentence to.<br /> You are 52, but you have the common-intellect of a five year old.<br /> Do show some common-intellect, common-courtesy and common-sense when utilizing any forum, as it is respectful to both site/forum owner and readers alike.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Ivan Gorelik</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I wrote:</p> <blockquote> <p>If you also want to save all of us, let we welcome some real physicist. Let's ask him to answer 10 my short physical questions. Let he answer under his real name.<br /> I think if CERN physicists are honest and responsible, then they will agree to answer my questions. Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist.<br /> Go! Welcome somebody of them. Let they prove that they are not the global terrorists.</p> </blockquote> <p>Moo wrote:</p> <blockquote> <p>But that's already been done, sir. Or do you honestly think PhysForum is controlled by CERN?</p> </blockquote> <p>Please, show me their math. I saw only a diarrhea about my person and education. That has no any scientific validity.<br /> Moo wrote:</p> <blockquote> <p>Come now, you've already been shown your errors.</p> </blockquote> <p>Please give me a more precise link with their math and logical deduction.</p> <blockquote> <p>Do your own work. Submit your theories to any of the reputed Physics Institutes of the world. They can't ALL be controlled by CERN, right?</p> </blockquote> <p>I visited Moscow city last year especially in order to speak with physicists. I was not permeat to enter into Physical Faculty of Moscow State University. But I was permeated to speak with Savrin, who is a coordinator of Russian mission at CERN. At first his responses were scientific, but when I asked about the crudest error, comparison with cosmic rays, Savrin did not give a direct answer, but started to speak verbal diarrhea, - “all is relative in this world” and other rabbish with the purpose to go out from the direct answer.<br /> I phoned several times to Tkachev (one of the criminals, who had signed the LSAG-report). But every time I phoned him, his secretary had invented a successive lie about his absence.</p> <p>I repeat your sentence:</p> <blockquote> <p>Do your own work. Submit your theories to any of the reputed Physics Institutes of the world. They can't ALL be controlled by CERN, right?</p> </blockquote> <p>I wrote letters to different other Universities (Dnepropetrovsk, Simpheropol…). I asked to collect a conference or something else. But I did not receive a response.<br /> I wrote thousands of letters to physicists of CERN and out of CERN. I received only a couple of answers, where they again repeated the crudest error about cosmic rays.</p> <p>I repeat your sentence:</p> <blockquote> <p>Do your own work. Submit your theories to any of the reputed Physics Institutes of the world.</p> </blockquote> <p>Submitted. But I did not receive any answer, containing math or logic arguments.</p> <p>I repeat:<br /> <strong>If you also want to save all of us, let we welcome some real physicist. Let's ask him to answer 10 my short physical questions. Let he answer under his real name. I think if CERN physicists are honest and responsible, then they will agree to answer my questions. Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist. Go! Welcome somebody of them. Let they prove that they are not the global terrorists.</strong></p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It would seem to me that you are the one who is mentally unhealthy.<br /> Only a complete moron would suggest something such as a bombing at the door step of any company or, laboratory.</p> <p>Considering that you're 52, you're obviously not the brightest crayon in the box, if you were, you would know that <em>&quot;Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance&quot;</em> can be justly used as evidence for a planned attack.</p> <p>In spite of your ignorant response to Failscience brutally calling you out, you have failed to touch on key notes of his or, her post..</p> <blockquote> <p>&quot;Theoretical&quot;- Lacking practical application or actual existence</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>In other words, even you don't know anything for fact.</p> </blockquote> <p>In spite of the personal attack, which honestly, I see the personal attack as justifiable, you utterly failed to respond to these key points, rather than responding to these key points, you continued to babble on about CERN like any other moron without vital evidence to support their claims.</p> <p>Submit your theory to peer-review or, just shut the hell up.<br /> You <strong>can not</strong> say that <strong>every</strong> scientist is in on a cover up, there are indeed scientists who would make it known that your claim has any validity to it, however since you also fail to submit your claim to peer-review, I'm forced to believe that you're simply full of hot air, at which point, you're not worth the time of day.</p> <p>A note to Astro..<br /> Ivan Gorelik's sentence</p> <blockquote> <p>Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist.</p> </blockquote> <p>is harmful material, in the format that it's worded, it sounds as if he's planning 'something' and that will most certainly throw up a red flag for this site and for Ivan himself.</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>In which case, Gorelik, you're full of shit and you're a pathetic excuse of a human.</p> </blockquote> <p>How old are you? I am 52. Do you feel a pleasure then you name people by crude words. Are you mentally helthy?</p> <p>If you also want to save all of us, let we welcome some real physicist. Let's ask him to answer 10 my short physical questions. Let he answer under his real name.</p> <p>I think if CERN physicists are honest and responsible, then they will agree to answer my questions. Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist.</p> <p>Go! Welcome somebody of them. Let they prove that they are not the global terrorists.</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>Why are you trying to destroy this girl, again? What do you have to gain?</p> </blockquote> <p>No. I want to save her, to save myself, my children and my granddaughter (today, several hours ago, I become a grandfather!)</p> <p>If you also want to save all of us, let we welcome some real physicist. Let's ask him to answer 10 my short physical questions. Let he answer under his real name.</p> <p>I think if CERN physicists are honest and responsible, then they will agree to answer my questions. Otherwise, if that girl would bomb herself in front of LHC entrance, that will be in the responsibility of CERN criminal physicists, who are the global terrorist.</p> <p>Go! Welcome somebody of them. Let they prove that they are not the global terrorists.</p> 
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						 <p>You're a pathetic waste of air, Gorelik.</p> <p>I, for one, will be happy to see you meet your own demise, while the rest of us live our lives.</p> <p>&quot;Magnetic hole, developed theoretically by me, was ignored and was unknown.&quot;</p> <p>&quot;Theoretical&quot;- Lacking practical application or actual existence</p> <p>In other words, even you don't know anything for fact.</p> <p>In which case, Gorelik, you're full of shit and you're a pathetic excuse of a human.</p> 
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						 <p>Please remember your words!</p> <p>&quot;Magnetic Hole &gt;THEORY&lt;&quot;. You said it yourself. I'm putting spiffy arrows around the key word.</p> <p>Do not state it as a fact now to try to scare the poor girl. You have nothing to gain from trying to invoke fear into someone who is already scared to heavy levels. What do you have to gain, if you think there is something to gain? Are you hoping she decides to be a Crusader, straps a bomb to her chest, and heads over to the LHC and dies for your idiocy?</p> <p>What do you have to gain from any of this? You've already admitted that your scenario is a coinflip, at the very best.</p> <p>&quot;Magnetic hole, developed theoretically by me, was ignored and was unknown.&quot;</p> <p>Please tell everyone that this is from your own definition of physics, and not the commonly used and accepted version by the rest of the world, sans maybe a few of your devote followers/whoever you ripped your math from.</p> <p>And let's ignore CERN and the stupid forums you've posted on. Have you presented your theory to the various highly-renowned physics institutes across the globe?</p> <p>No?</p> <p>Why are you trying to destroy this girl, again? What do you have to gain?</p> <p>I love repeating myself~!</p> 
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						 <p><em>How can they be 100% sure??!?!?!</em><br /> No. Not 100%</p> <p><em>Quote from ERIC E. JOHNSON's article //<br /> Instead, the issue of LHC risk is one of low probabilities—risks such<br /> as one in 5,000, one in 100,000, one in a million, or even lower. Thus, the<br /> relevant question to ask is, would particle physicists tolerate a higher risk of<br /> catastrophe from their experiments than the rest of humanity might?<br /> The answer is quite obvious. Of course they might. And that answer is not<br /> mere speculation. Physicists have actually published a hard number: Busza,<br /> Jaffe, Sandweiss, and Wilczek regarded a one-in-5,000 risk of destroying Earth<br /> as “comfortable.”682<br /></em> End of quote//</p> <p>But pay attention! Physicists of CERN do not know about magnetic hole and about the errors in LSAG-report because we were banned at forums and ignored by secretaries of authorities.</p> <p><em>Ivan Gorelik should be ignored like the tinfoil-hat-wearing net.kook that he is.</em></p> <p>And I was banned, ignored. Discovered errors were ignored. Magnetic hole, developed theoretically by me, was ignored and was unknown.</p> <p><em>I know they wouldn't do anything to harm their families,</em></p> <p>Their assessed risk to die is millions times smaller than the risk to lost their highly-paid job places. They do not know about magnetic holes and about crude errors in LSAG-report.</p> <p>That is why, be ready to die. Physicist will create microscopic droplets of aggressive dangerous condensate. In 500-1000 days that will lead to Earth explosion, to suicidal reproduction act of Biosphere.<br /> I wish to all you a happy flight to stars. Do not fear to die. Fulfill your sacred reproduction mission.</p> 
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						 <p>And now, I will ask you the one question no one has bothered to ever ask you.</p> <p>He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, what happens if you're wrong? Will you make a public apology to CERN for your ceaseless efforts against them?</p> <p>This is not &quot;If nothing happens even if you're right about the risks.&quot; No, I'm not asking that. I am flatly asking you &quot;What happens if you're wrong?&quot;</p> <p>What will you do if you're wrong?</p> <p>You seem convinced that this &gt;will&lt; happen, when your 'math' suggests more a Coinflip Scenario. This is what bothers most people, likely. The fact your scenario is effectively a 'call it in the air!' thing is likely what makes people raise their eyebrow.</p> <p>You were wrong before. Every time. With them boosting the power now to another insignificant level, you're up in full force again.</p> <p>Hrm. Suspicious pattern. Well, who cares about that! You, answer question: What will you do if you're wrong?</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>The reportS were written by various people, including some CERN (but not LHC) scientists, but also some independent scientists not affiliated with CERN.</p> </blockquote> <p>There are only two reports:<br /> 1. STUDY OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS EVENTS DURING HEAVY-ION COLLISIONS AT THE LHC: REPORT OF THE LHC SAFETY STUDY GROUP<br /> written by 6 people in 2003: J.-P. Blaizot, J. Iliopoulos, J. Madsen, G.G. Ross, P. Sonderegger, H.-J. Specht.<br /> 2. Review of the Safety of LHC Collisions, written by &quot;LHC Safety Assessment Group&quot; consisting of 5 physicists: <strong>John Ellis</strong>, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano, Igor Tkachev and Urs Wiedemann.</p> <p>These two reports are falsifications, invented especially in order to calm the world's crowd of people, who do not understand the physics.</p> <p>These reports have crude errors and lie assertions.</p> <p>Here is a quote from the article &quot;THE BLACK HOLE CASE: THE INJUNCTION AGAINST THE END OF THE WORLD&quot; written by ERIC E. JOHNSON:</p> <p>p.858<br /> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">quote</span><br /> Much more blunt was renowned University of Manchester<br /> physicist Brian Cox:<br /> “Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world,” he said, “is a<br /> twat.”356<br /> J. The Best Answer<br /> In August 2008, with the public opening of the LHC coming within weeks,<br /> <strong>John Ellis</strong> gave a talk in the CERN auditorium in which he sought “to provide<br /> the ammunition” that CERN people could use to convince others that the<br /> collider poses no danger.357<br /> After reviewing the scientific arguments that the LHC is safe, Ellis<br /> explained that a question that worried him more than whether humanity was<br /> safe from the LHC, was the opposite—whether the LHC was safe from<br /> humanity.358<br /> Ellis then briefed the audience on unfavorable press reports, the various<br /> lawsuits filed to stop the LHC, and a public opinion poll indicating that most<br /> people thought the LHC was not worth the risk.359 Ellis also introduced the<br /> audience to Richard Posner, whom Ellis said he found “really worrying.”360<br /> Wrapping up, Ellis came to what his presentations slides labeled “The Best<br /> Answer.”361<br /> “So, to finish,” Ellis said, “the way to stop all this argument about whether<br /> the LHC is going to destroy the planet is to get the LHC working.”362<br /> “Within a few weeks time, we will know that LSAG was right.”363<br /> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">the end of quote</span>-</p> <blockquote> <p>Ivan Gorelik should be ignored like the tinfoil-hat-wearing net.kook that he is.</p> </blockquote> <p>And me, Ivan Gorelik, was ignored and banned at almost all physical forums (Russian, English, French). My theory of magnetic hole was ignored. My discoveries about 4 crude errors in LSAG-report were ignored. Physicists of CERN did not know anything about these errors and about a magnetic hole.<br /> Who had banned me?<br /> Moderators of forums.<br /> Who are moderators?<br /> Most of them are computer specialists but they are not physicists. Some of them are physicists but they have an instruction from CERN to ban anyone, who tries to speak about danger of LHC.</p> <p>Leaders of CERN demanded to say everywhere about the zero risk. So me and such as me were banned. This is the cause why the leaders of CERN do not know about magnetic hole and about the crudest errors of LSAG.</p> <p>That is why, be ready to die. Physicist will create microscopic droplets of aggressive dangerous condensate. In 500-1000 days that will lead to Earth explosion, to suicidal reproduction act of Biosphere.<br /> I wish to all you a happy flight to stars. Do not fear to die. Fulfill your sacred reproduction mission.</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>What are they going to do differently on 11/9/2010 that is differt from they are already doing?</p> </blockquote> <p>11/9/2010 they begin to collide heavy ions. Probability of creation of dangerous condensates is about 10-100 times more. Creation of subnuclear condensate leads to the explosion of the Earth.</p> <blockquote> <p>Is the LSAG report correct?</p> </blockquote> <p>No. I found at least 4 crude errors in LSAG-report. No one real physicist had give a single contr-argument against my conclusions about the errors.</p> 
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						 <p>Jessica,</p> <p>Have you looked at the site that Ivan referenced above? If not, please do so.</p> <p><a href="http://darkenergy.narod.ru/biz.html">http://darkenergy.narod.ru/biz.html</a></p> <p>Be sure to read all of the hysterical accusations, the comparisons of his opponents to Hitler, etc. Think of a lunatic standing on the street corner, screaming at passersby, and you'll have a pretty good idea of Gorelik.</p> <p>Especially, scroll down to the very bottom. You'll find an appeal for money. Take a look at how much he's received: $50 U.S. Whoopee. That's how miserably few people there are who believe anything he says.</p> 
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						 <p>What about the people who first began to toy with electricity? How were we so sure it was going to be safe, and end up the amazing product it is today?</p> <p>It's advancement, love. We've done a pretty good job of only making a handful of things that could ultimately kill us, and that's only if their use is mistreated.</p> <p>As it stands, I strongly doubt the LHC will do anything to us. But you never know, it could be turned into a DEATH RAY!</p> <p>Seriously, the LHC is perfectly safe.</p> 
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						 <p>I know they wouldn't do anything to harm their families, but if there's a chance of one of those things happening, I just don't think it's worth it! I mean, are billions of people worth it? I'm sorry, this stuff just scares me really bad! How can they be 100% sure??!?!?!</p> 
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						 <p>Jessica. Just remember this. All the scientists working on the LHC have families. They have wives, husbands, partners, children and parents. If they thought that what they were doing had even the <strong>remotest</strong> chance of causing harm to those people, they would put a stop to it. The same applies to the scientists preparing the reports and the independent scientists reviewing the reports. Then there's every scientist worldwide who's following the progress of the LHC. Where are all their objections? And you're prepared to take the word of a single crank over all those thousands of people? All you need to do is think calmly and rationally about it and you will come to the same conclusion as ther rest of us. There's nothing to worry about.</p> 
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						 <p>Why would they go into building this machine if they knew it could destroy the earth and all of us to go along with it&#8230;..I mean, I just don't undersatnd! They have to know the consequences if something messes up! Lord, I wish I'd never heard of this crap&#8230;I really don't know how much more I can take&#8230;I'm running out of sanity!</p> 
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						 <p>So, what are they going to do in November that has him in such an uproar? Yall, this stuff has got me scared! Is it possible that they've missed something in that report and we could be gone in less than 2 months?!?!?! Are they going to do something that haven't already done? If NASA thought 2012 was the end, or even November, why would they be working on stuff for 2015, the asteroid landing and stuff? I don't understand this stuff, so it makes me more worries than I already was. Can someon dummy down to me the chance of a blackhole or a strangelet or dark matter or whatever that could destroy us? PLEASE!</p> 
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						 <p>The report<strong>S</strong> were written by various people, including some CERN (but not LHC) scientists, but also some independent scientists not affiliated with CERN. The reports have been reviewed by various independent bodies who have all agreed that the conclusions of the reports are correct. Read the article at the link above, but especially <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_particle_collisions_at_the_Large_Hadron_Collider#CERN-commissioned_reports" target="_blank">this section</a> regarding the CERN commissioned reports and the other publications.</p> <p>Ivan Gorelik should be ignored like the tinfoil-hat-wearing net.kook that he is.</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>They do not ruin relativity theory but go further. The most known persons from these group are: Otto Rössler <a href="http://lhc-concern.info/?page_id=91">http://lhc-concern.info/?page_id=91</a> , Walter Wagner <a href="http://lhcdefense.org/">http://lhcdefense.org/</a> , Luis Sancho, Raier Plaga.</p> </blockquote> <p>Do not, under any circumstances, come here and claim that Sanchos claims correspond to anything that is even close to the standard model of physics (Neither does Wagners, but Sancho is even more far off). <strong>And you</strong>, well I'm not going to kick on someone that is already down&#8230; My sisters daughter, age 5 months, is able to produce more relevant physics than you and your complete list of crackpots can do all together.</p> <p>And the funny thing is that only one of them have any credentials in anything close to particle physics. Shall we have a go at them? Otto Rössler - Biochemistry/Chaos theory, Walter L Wagner - Nuclear safety inspector/Botanist/Teacher (poor children), Luis Sancho - Philisopher/Theorist (without any credentials), Rainier Plaga - The only one with actual credentials in physics, and he was proven wrong by LSAG. Not all that impressive to be honest. Or well, compared to you either one of them has greater credentials, but that doesn't really mean much. Just because you scream the loudest doesn't make you right, you know?</p> <p>As for the Russian scientists, haven't gone through them all but what I've found is that some of them work with string theory and quantum mechanics and doesn't even seem to be talking about LHC at all (just about 4D, so I guess that supports your theories, right?). I'm sorry but my Cyrillic is a little rusty, so I might have missed something here. If so, I'm sure you will be kind enough to point it out to me&#8230;</p> <blockquote> <p>2. The second group of physicists are physicist-criminals. They were the first persons to understand about the danger of LHC but they say us now about of safety of LHC. This group includes even two Nobel Prize Winners. It seems they are ready to lie us about the safety of LHC collisions because they were bought by CERN.</p> </blockquote> <p>Have you ever stopped and asked yourself this question: Wouldn't they be equally dead as us if the earth were destroyed? So what would they have to gain if this experiment were going to kill us with the probabilities you give? Would they have any use of the money CERN &quot;bought&quot; them for if they were dead?</p> <blockquote> <p>So be ready to die. Presidents do not know about the danger of LHC. There is no the force, able to stop the global suicide.</p> </blockquote> <p>&#8230;</p> <p>I'm done with this (again), feel free to rant on as much as you like. It only help with proving our point (that you are indeed a really sick a**hole</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>You can read this my page: Crude errors in the LHC safety documents. What will LHC give us, the particle of God, or magnetic trap of Devil? <a href="http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html">http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html</a></p> </blockquote> <p>This might sound rude Ivan, but I'll go ahead anyway; you seem very keen on pointing out that we &quot;shouldn't be afraid of performing our sacred mission and start of to the stars&quot;, right?<br /> My proposal is this; We'll give you a head start of two months (although I doubt you will see any stars in your afterlife), so feel free &quot;to start of to the stars&quot;, ALONE.</p> <p>I usually remain rather calm, but sick human beings such as yourself really makes me upset. How can one person find so much joy in scaring innocent people? Did you have a rough childhood by any chance? My guess is yes, and since I have at least twice as many credentials in psychology than what you have in physics I must be right. Or&#8230;?</p> 
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						 <p>December 2, 2009 I have delivered petition to the Prosecutor’s Office of Russia.</p> <p><em>That's more than 9 months ago. Please enlighten us as to the Prosecutor's reply.</em></p> <p>A couple of month’s I left Moscow and moved home to Feodosia. My son had read me a response from the Prosecutors’ office of Russia. He said that my petition was sent to Russian Academy of Sciences.</p> <p>Earlier, when I was in Moscow, I tried to investigate the paths of my earlier multiple letters, addressed to President and to Prosecutors office. I visited Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS), found a man, who is responsible about the received mail. He said that my letters were sent to a Physics Division of RAS and he had give me a phone-number of a secretary. I phoned her and she told me that my letters were sent to the Section of Nuclear Physics and she give me a phone-number of the secretary. I phoned there and young secretary said me about LSAG-report and about we are safe according to LSAG. I tried to explain her about the errors, made in LSAG-report, but she was unable to understand and dropped a phone-tube. I suspect that she send responses to secretaries of President and Prosecutors office about the same, - about the existence of LSAG-report.</p> <p>The only single response I received from Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences. They repeated about LSAG and added about ConCERNed. So, as you can see, the most of physicist do not have their proper brains, but repeat the words and errors of LSAG.</p> <p>So be ready to die. Presidents do not know about the danger of LHC. There is no the force, able to stop the global suicide.</p> 
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						 <blockquote> <p>The title &quot;Doctor Dark Energy&quot; I take at the beginning of 2000-th, when I computed the temperature of background radiation in the Static/Stationary model of Universe. My result was 2.728&#160;K. Observable value is 2.725&#160;K.</p> </blockquote> <p>Wow. Quite a stretch for you there, considering that COBE measured it as 2.725 in 1992!</p> 
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				<wikidot:authorName>Ivan Gorelik</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Hi Alene Y!<br /> I have no any PhD.<br /> But I participated at several international conferences. The organizers of conferences usually invite scientists like this: &quot;Dear Dr &#8230;! We invite you to take part in our conference&#8230;&quot;<br /> The title &quot;Doctor Dark Energy&quot; I take at the beginning of 2000-th, when I computed the temperature of background radiation in the Static/Stationary model of Universe. My result was 2.728&#160;K. Observable value is 2.725&#160;K. In Big Bang model of Universe they had found that Hubble constant does not change with time. So, in order to save the model, they invent a &quot;dark energy&quot; which has antigravity properties and accelerates the expansion of Universe. In my model I was aught to find the analogues substance, which can have antigravity properties, in order to sustain the closed Universe against the gravity collapse. I found it! It was a usual radiation. If a radiation has a temperature 2.728&#160;K then my model of Universe do not expand and do not shrink.</p> <p>That is why I myself take the title &quot;Dr Dark Energy&quot;.</p> <p>Jesica wrote: <em>He has filed lawsuits against the LHC?</em><br /> Walter Wagner, Luis Sancho, Otto Rössler and some other people indeed filled lawsuits against organizations, promoting the dangerous experiments at powerful collides, RHIC and LHC. Judges do not know the physics. They used the falsified information, widespread by criminal physicists, who make their money at those experiments.<br /> Afaik, all lawsuits all over the world were rejected by judges.<br /> As for me, I wrote several letters to presidents of different countries, to chiefs of prosecutors' offices and to some other authorities. I tried to organize protest meetings. But all were in vain. Secretaries believe the criminal physicists and throw out my letters into rubbish. Police believed the criminal physicists and demanded to stop the our protest meetings.</p> <p><em>Have strangelets been proven, or are they theory?</em></p> <p>There were observed many events, like destruction of strangelets, created in collisions of cosmic particles and atmospheric particles. It is clear that a strangelet, created by cosmic and atmospheric protons, which have, for example, the rest energy about 1 TeV, must also have a kinetic energy about 1000 TeV. The last energy is much greater comparatively to the binding energy of constituent element of the strangelet, which is about 0.0001 TeV. That is why a strangelets, created in a &quot;cosmo-atmospheric&quot; particles, decay, making an unusual showers of secondary cosmic particles. But a strangelet, which can be created at collider, with the rest energy about 1 TeV, can not have the kinetic energy about 1000 TeV, but visa verse, - it can have the kinetic energy less than the binding energy of constituent element of the strangelet, - less than 0.0001 TeV. In this case it will not be overheated, it will not be exited, but it can capture the ordinary nuclei and transform them into it’s own strange nucleons (usd).</p> <p>Strange matter, which is N(uds), and which was theoretically investigated, is not the only possible dangerous matter, which can be created at powerful colliders. The others dangerous subnuclear condensates are: magnetic holes, consisting of bosons, smallest vacuum magnets; 2-d generation matter; mixtures of strange nucleons and neutrons; and so on. The energy of a single p-p or HI-HI collision at contemporary colliders is sufficient in order to create a dangerous droplet, consisting of 1000 of constituent elements. It is known: the more the number of elements in a droplet, - the more the probability that droplet would be stable and would be able to grow and ruin the ordinary matter.<br /> In fact, physicists-suiciders at CERN are looking for such droplets in order to use them as the energy sources. They want to be the richest people of the planet. But they rather explode the Earth with those sources and will kill us all. That is why, all best physicist of the planet are the most dangerous terrorists, and that is why they all must be locked in prisons now. The 9-th of November can be the first day of Earth explosion. The duration of the explosion is about 500-1000 days. Is a 2012 year a coincidence?</p> <p>Read for example an article: Interaction of strangelets with ordinary nuclei.<br /> arXiv:1003.4901v1 [nucl-th] 25 Mar 2010</p> <p>But the article of Luis Sancho is more truthful <a href="http://www.cerntruth.com/?p=125">http://www.cerntruth.com/?p=125</a></p> 
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						 <p>I don't think that Dr. Ivan Gorelik, a Radiologist at Kaiser Permanente in Kensington, MD is our physics crank. I think he probably has the misfortune to have the same name as &quot;Dr. Dark Energy&quot;.</p> <p>This is Gorelik's &quot;CV&quot; from his website:</p> <blockquote> <p>The citizen of Russia. Now live in Ukraine. Nationality: Ukrainian.<br /> Was born the third of January 1958 in the Nikopol town, Ukraine, USSR.<br /> 1965-1973 - Elementary School.<br /> 1973-1977 - Nikopol Agricultural School; specialty &#8212; agricultural mechanization.<br /> 1977-1979 - Army.<br /> 1980 entered into Dnepropetrovsk State University, and in<br /> 1981 moved into Moscow State Correspondence Pedagogical Institute and begin to work as physics teacher.<br /> 1985 finished the Institute and received the profession of physics teacher.<br /> 1992 (after the USSR was disintegrated) dropped teaching and worked in small commerce.<br /> 1998 - 2004 did not work anywhere, build my house, and spend all my time with my theory, Space Genetics.<br /> 2004 - 2007 worked at the secondary school as a physics and astronomy teacher.<br /> 2008 till now spend all my time to stop and ban the dangerous scientific experiments, such as particle collisions in powerful colliders.</p> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9af4e91b77673?hl=en">http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9af4e91b77673?hl=en</a>#<br /> <a href="http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/41917">http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/41917</a> (scroll down to the comments)<br /> <a href="http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=214932&amp;highlight=#214932">http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=214932&amp;highlight=#214932</a><br /> <a href="http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=205402&amp;highlight=#205402">http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=205402&amp;highlight=#205402</a> (he's been banned there apparently)</p> <p>Gorelik has invented several new theories, including &quot;space genetics&quot;, the &quot;arc effect&quot; which apparently overturns our current ideas of stellar fusion, and a 1-meter diameter nuclear fusion reactor.</p> 
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						 <p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/print.html">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/print.html</a></p> 
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						 <p><a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html">http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html</a></p> 
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						 <p>Ah, Raymond found more than I did. I'm familiar with Raymond's answers and he gives good ones. To explain a little further, a radiologist interprets medical x-rays and other medical images, such as sonograms. It doesn't give him a background in particle physics, but it does give him the right to be called Dr.</p> 
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