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		<title>A nice piece of science writing, on the Galactic Equator</title>
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				<title>Re: Clarification</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I promised Bikenbeer that I'd have a draft of a page ready for him sometime this weekend. I'm afraid it will be pretty rough, though.</p> <p>Again, I truly enjoyed reading the original IAU article, which is available in pdf form as</p> <p><a href="http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?db_key=AST&amp;bibcode=1960MNRAS.121..123B&amp;letter=0&amp;classic=YES&amp;defaultprint=YES&amp;whole_paper=YES&amp;page=123&amp;epage=123&amp;send=Send+PDF&amp;filetype=.pdf">http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?db_key=AST&amp;bibcode=1960MNRAS.121..123B&amp;letter=0&amp;classic=YES&amp;defaultprint=YES&amp;whole_paper=YES&amp;page=123&amp;epage=123&amp;send=Send+PDF&amp;filetype=.pdf</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>So&#8230; it's accepted&#8230; but it doesn't really exist.</p> <p>&#8230; Okay! Works for me.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Clarification</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I agree. In fact, I have been thinking of a glossary page for some of the more esoteric terms that we have to use.</p> 
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				<title>Clarification</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>After looking over the above posts, I think we need to be careful to identify what's at issue.</p> <p>True, the Earth's equator is of little relevance to peoples' daily lives. The &quot;Galactic Equator&quot; is even less relevant, especially because that term is a misnomer: if our galaxy actually does have anything like an &quot;equatorial plane&quot;, then the plane that we call &quot;the Galactic Equator&quot; probably isn't it.</p> <p>So, the issue isn't whether the &quot;Galactic Equator&quot; is relevant to peoples' lives. Instead, the issue is whether the debunkers have been correct in downplaying it as an arbitrary line that's not based upon any physical characteristics or markers.</p> <p>The answer is clearly, &quot;no,&quot; and I'm afraid the woo-woo's would represent a response like, &quot;Well, it's not important to anyone's life&quot; as an evasion. I think it would be better to admit we've been wrong, and explain what the so-called &quot;Galactic Equator&quot; really is.</p> 
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				<title>Reasons why we should know about the Galactic Equator</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I think the subject is relevant to us at 2012Hoax for several reasons.</p> <p>1. People who sincerely want to understand what the Galactic Alignment is about will research the Galactic Equator, and their online research is likely to lead them to apparently reliable information from which it would be correct to conclude that the debunkers are contradicting themselves. (See <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-162624/galactic-plane#post-893917" target="_blank">here</a>.) This is an outcome I'm sure we'd all like to help avoid, by having a good page of our own on the subject.</p> <p>2. Our characterization of the galactic equator as an arbitrary line (I've said this myself, based upon <a href="http://www.starrynighteducation.com/sntimes/2008/06/#art1" target="_blank">this article from Starry Night</a>) is highly unsatisfactory. It's a disservice to the astronomers who defined it, and anyone who read <a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1960MNRAS.121..123B" target="_blank">the IAU's announcement thereof</a> would recognize our statement as a half-truth. Worse still, the reader would see that Starry Night's characterization of it is flatly false:</p> <blockquote> <p>[The Galactic Equator] was officially defined by the International Astronomical Union in 1959, but it is there by definition, <strong>not based on any physical characteristics or markers</strong>.</p> </blockquote> <p>In fact, the IAU went to great lengths to explain that what we now call the Galactic Equator was based upon a strikingly planar concentration of neutral hydrogen within 7 kiloparsecs of the Galactic Center. The intentional differences between that plane and the Galactic Equator based thereupon are carefully described and justified in the cited article.</p> <p><strong>Bottom line: The woo-woo's would have no problem debunking the debunkers on this point.</strong></p> <p>3. John Major Jenkins describes the Galactic Equator as follows:</p> <blockquote> <p>…I would like to emphasize that the Galactic equator -<strong>the precise edge of our spiraling Galaxy</strong>- is the zero point location of the turnabout moment in the cycle of precession. (<em>Maya Cosmogenesis</em>, p. 328)</p> </blockquote> <p>Wrong, of course, but the average person would probably find it more credible, on the surface, than our assertion (also wrong) that the Galactic Equator is simply arbitrary.</p> <p>Jenkins' statement is the clearest example I know, of how he speaks authoritatively on subjects about which he knows nothing. But to make use of it, we need to have our own ducks in a row.</p> <p>4. 2012Hoax has been praised for the quality of its work by <a href="http://astrosociety.org/education/resources/pseudobib06.html" target="_blank">at least one astronomy association</a>, and <a href="http://www.seti.cl/" target="_blank">an international SETI group</a>. I don't want to let them down.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>No you're not the only one. The precise location of the equator of the earth has very little relevance in people's day to day lives. It's not like you can even get the water to drain out of a basin in different directions on either side of it.</p> 
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						 <p>Am I the only person here who sort of just shrugs at the Galactic Equator and treats it much like the Earth Equator? AKA it doesn't exist it's just a base for people to place coordinates?</p> <p>It was once said that if you visit the equator, you will not see a massive line ripped across the world. The much could be same for the Galactic Equator, no? But hey, if it really DOES exist, which would be weird&#8230; I'll shut up.</p> 
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				<title>A nice piece of science writing, on the Galactic Equator</title>
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						 <p>Bikenbeer and I have been working on materials for a page about the Galactic Equator. Most of the information online was too incomplete to help, so we kept digging. We were fortunate enough to find the original article (from 1959) announcing the galactic-coordinate system and describing the bases for it:</p> <p><a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1960MNRAS.121..123B">http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1960MNRAS.121..123B</a>)</p> <p>I think I was overly optimistic in my initial ideas about how easily it could be adapted to our needs here, but it's a fine piece of writing, very interesting, with a friendly, engaging tone. Some of you might like to read it.</p> 
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