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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 04:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Personally I would rather you two get a room.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well that is enough! calling me a buttface, telling me to shut my damn mouth and saying you will eviscerate 'people like me' is just plain hostile nastiness which I have read is not acceptable on this site. I am amazed you are able to get away with this!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>&#8230; And you're really beginning to piss me off. You are really, really striking cords you really don't want be hitting. You are purposely aiming to be far more offensive than I have ever been.</p> <p>For the sake of at least attempting to acknowledge Astrogeek's rules and regulations, I will not tear into you like a Twinkie right now. I will say this, however: You're a buttface.</p> <p>And that is me putting it as nicely, with a slice of humor to my fans, as possible. I apologize to my fans that love seeing me eviscerate people like you. And trust me, I &gt;really&lt; want to.</p> <p>Just shut your damn mouth already.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This is really offensive stuff you are posting. You claim to care about the victims of the 2012 hoax yet you are apologizing for the US war machine killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. you are creepy!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>1) Having plenty of military bases is not warmongering. It's intelligent.</p> <p>2) A good deal of those military operations were in reaction to an immediate threat, self-defense, or involvement in helping one of the U.S.'s allies.</p> <p>Stop talking like you understand global politics, please.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I never said the US has started every war. This is a silly comment but they have started a lot, with bases in over 180 countries, most of them imposed with threats of violence:</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations</a></p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Sorry, my mistake. I forgot the &quot;U.S. War Machine&quot; has started every war, and goes out of it's way to kill every single person it possibly can.</p> <p>Shut the hell up.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Can you stop posting this please. It is really offensive to the millions of innocent people that have been killed by the US war machine, particularly since Gulf War 1. If you want to persist down this line then please back it up with data.</p> <p>&quot;The 'big problem' with this one is that every country that is not named North Korea is REALLY trying their best to avoid another World War. Surprising as this may sound, the world HAS learned it's lesson. Countries are figuring out it's much better to make your opposing faction look stupid in political debate, then trying to launch a warhead at them. Why? Because every other country will promptly dogpile you to obliteration, while the country you fired at shrugs it off.&quot;</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Thank you very much, Astro. I just got back from a trip.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>hey! Welcome Back!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Overpopulation, you say? Hmm.. Murderers are useful, after all..</p> <p>I hope you know that was sarcasm, if you didn't know, then you don't belong on the internet where sarcasm is imminent.</p> <p>I agree that overpopulation is a major problem, and contrary to the beliefs of conspiracy theorists, I believe that overpopulation is the primary reason for the search of other planets that are habitable for mankind, it's a much better option than trying to kill everyone, because that would just take too long, wouldn't it?</p> <p>There are a lot of things in this world that we, as humans, should be more worried about, rather than worrying about invisible planets and tentacle monsters from the galactic equator.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There are lots of problems in the world that we should be paying attention to. Overpopulation is one of them. So is global warming. So is the mass extinction event that humans appear to be inflicting on many other forms of life here on earth.</p> <p>2012 is not one of them.</p> <p>Simply because one problem exists is not a reason to make up a new one, and link them together. That is just a distraction from the <strong>real</strong> issues, and only serves to cast question and doubt on those problems that do exist.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In the 1800s, people worried about overpopulation even before penicillen was discovered. In the 1970s the Club of Rome said many of the things that you wrote about. As everyone else has said, this not a new problem and each generation solves it in its own way.</p> <p>It is how you look at the world - is it a scarey depressing place or a place of wonder? I had a wall fall on me at a store where I was shopping - I ended up in the hospital in a coma and injured brain. For a long time, I was afraid of that store, walls with shelves on them, and the like. I took it in stages - wearing a bike helmet, carrying a stick when I went places - expected the wall to fall. Then I went to the wall and told it not to fall. Now I go places and *do Not* expect walls to fall.</p> <p>It is the same with 2012. If you expect the world will end, then you will gather data to support your belief. But if you see solutions for problems, then perhaps the world's end will be delayed, until one day, you cease to think about it. Watching TV leads you to believe that the world is a bad place, but is it really? I think the 2012 focus is the same.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Right about what? There's nothing to be right about. You make it sound like these issues have been plaguing us just recently. Here's another newsflash, Dehlia. One that is technically positive, but in a negative light.</p> <p>Four out of Six of those issues were far worse before our generation, dear. The only two that are more 'serious' these days are Climate Change and Natural Resources, with both being heavily overblown issues that are not nearly as cataclysmic as some would say.</p> <p>I do look at the world we live in, Dehlia. I smile at the little boy going out of his way to rescue a cat, the firefighter risking his life to save a woman in a burning fire, and a police officer just being on the line of duty. I use this time to honor these heroics, while rolling my eyes at all the newspapers and news stations that only focus on the negative aspects of life, or celebrities.</p> <p>There is a lot of good in this world, as much as there is a lot of 'evil'. Ugh, I hate that word. So stupid. Anyway, Dehlia, you need to stop watching and/or reading the news. It's heavily flooded with the 'stuff that sells', and negative crap sells way more than positive heroics.</p> <p>Really, Dehlia, if I were from the generation previous to this one? I'd smack you, hard. We're living in some pretty 'good' times in the comparison of the WWI and WWII eras. To complain about our modern-day life is an insult to what those people struggled through and fought through.</p> <p>These 2012ers really have no idea what the hell they're talking about. End of story.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Moe I don't think Dehlia was really saying this stuff revolve arround 2012. But is saying that there is worst things happening in our world then to fear 2012!!!</p> <p>Dehlia: The thing here is 2012 nonsense was created but crazy people and here they are debunking it. You say why? Well because thiers many poeple that has be caught up with the lies that 2012ers have made up and are extremly terrified. You have not right to juge them just because you think it is stupid of them. Not everyone think the same as you do or take thinks a different way.</p> <p>2012 nuts cause this and we are here to help the once that believed them.<br /> If you think this site is boring well you know what you can do move on and read some other site.<br /> Don't understand why you came here to write this post just dont get it!!!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>No, I can't prove it, and most of the time I don't believe it. It's just that&#8230; Well, look at the world we live in. I get depressed as things seem to be getting worse all the time. Then the thought slips into my mind that maybe, MAYBE, the 2012ers are right.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I think people who believe in 2012 doomsday, do so because their lives are so dull.</p> </blockquote> <p>With some people, your assessment is probably right. It could probably be categorized into:<br /> 1). Boredom (As you've assessed).<br /> 2). Topic of interest.<br /> 3). Motiviational:<br /> A). Disaster Awareness.<br /> B). For Profit by evoking fear into the audience to bring a profitable result.</p> <blockquote> <p>Sometimes I too think doom will hit us in 2012. There are so many reasons: overpopulation, foodshortages, general waste of the earths resourses, war, terrorism, climate change…</p> </blockquote> <p>In the manner, you wrote this; it seems that these are the reasons why you sometimes think doom will hit during 2012?</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Terribly off topic, but let's begin attacking this one step at a time.</p> <p>1) Overpopulation: Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012? In fact, can you show me how this is as big as a problem as some people seem to make it out to be? Yes, some countries are 'getting crowded', but I'd like to blame individuals who can't keep their legs crossed on this one.</p> <p>Final Result: This is not a Doomsday Scenario, unless you can prove otherwise.</p> <p>2) Food Shortages: This ties into your Overpopulation tag, pretty much involving the same thing. Major News Flash: This only affects underdeveloped countries, and ultimately individuals who cannot get off their lazy * long enough to stop blowing all their questionably gained currency on drugs and alcohol, thus leading into a spiral of starvation. Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012?</p> <p>Final Result: This is not a Doomsday Scenario, unless you can prove otherwise.</p> <p>3) General Waste of the Earth's Resources: Funny, I'm pretty sure we USE those resources. There is no 'waste' involved when it comes to the Earth's resources. And ugh, this is 'Peak Oil' all over again, which is such a heavy stroke of debate that discussing it again is pretty much pointless, but I'll touch on it briefly. As it stands, we are in no IMMEDIATE (Note: This is NOT happening by 12/21/2012, let alone within that general time frame) of suddenly finding ourselves with out any natural resources.</p> <p>As it has been stated before, these resources are not going to magically disappear one day. What WILL happen is that extraction will not be able to keep up with demand, and crap will get bad for a while. The renewable resources will be then in demand, and the use of natural resources will diminish to the point that only what is needed for the renewable resources to be produced at a fast pace is needed.</p> <p>Regardless to all of that&#8230; Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012?</p> <p>Final Result: This is not a Doomsday Scenario, unless you can prove otherwise.</p> <p>4) War: We've been there, we've done that, this is probably the only one you've listed so far that I've gotten to that could actually kill off the majority of the population. The 'big problem' with this one is that every country that is not named North Korea is REALLY trying their best to avoid another World War. Surprising as this may sound, the world HAS learned it's lesson. Countries are figuring out it's much better to make your opposing faction look stupid in political debate, then trying to launch a warhead at them. Why? Because every other country will promptly dogpile you to obliteration, while the country you fired at shrugs it off.</p> <p>Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012?</p> <p>Final Result: This is a Doomsday Scenario (in the EXTREME circumstances), but has no connection to the given date, unless you can prove otherwise.</p> <p>5) Terrorism: Read above, except this is childish in comparison. Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012?</p> <p>Final Result: This is not a Doomsday Scenario, unless you can prove otherwise.</p> <p>6) Climate Change: And now this is the one that's REALLY fun to talk about, because it's probably the only one that has any likelihood to actually be a big deal! The BIGGEST problem with me even wanting to touch this is because it's so off topic, I'm pretty sure you posted here with out caring to read the forum rules.</p> <p>Sigh. Here we go.</p> <p>Yes, this is a problem. Yes, there are efforts to fix and/or prevent it. Yes, people are taking it seriously. No, not enough people are taking it seriously. No, this won't kill us all anyway, ignoring the EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES, but I do NOT acknowledge those. Yes, this should be a priority on the world's efforts on making sure it does not spiral out of control.</p> <p>Ultimately, global warming/climate change is a two-pronged subject. While it is something we need to seriously keep aware of, it is also blown WAY out of the scope of realism by the right-winged individuals who want something done about it. It is much like 2012 in that regard that people take words and suddenly keep capslock on.</p> <p>Can you show me evidence this will cause the death of nearly the entire population on 12/21/2012?</p> <p>Final Result: This is potentially a Doomsday Scenario, but only in the most extreme of circumstances.</p> <p>I look forward to your answers.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ok, this is a great website, but a bit boring. I think people who believe in 2012 doomsday, do so because their lives are so dull.</p> <p>Sometimes I too think doom will hit us in 2012. There are so many reasons: overpopulation, foodshortages, general waste of the earths resourses, war, terrorism, climate change&#8230; You don't have to invent Niburu. but I guess it is easier to put the blame on the LHC, than facing the real problems.</p> 
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