Great resource you have here.

I believed a load of nonsense when I was younger.
-Von Dankien's Ancient astronauts
-parapsychological things like telepathy, telekinesis, pre and retro cognition
-that any other soda tasted better than Dr. Pepper
-etc

However, I also read and considered accurate much about science and nature. I also found how foolish or deceptive people could be.

Conspiracy theorists like to take quotations from politicians who use the phrase and put those quotes on their own websites. Often, they will capitalize "New World Order," instead of correctly printing "new world order" as it should be, to make it look like the politician or whoever is referring to the imaginary organization that the conspiracy theorist wants you to believe in. It's extremely dishonest.

You can safely ignore people like ontheinside. The world has more than enough real problems to keep us busy. We don't need boogie-men like the "NWO" to take up our time.

Thanks for the support, and for the good advice!

Bill

You will find as you grow older that anyone making any really wild claims and saying that they have absolute certainty about those claims is either deluded or out to take your money.

Please read the Baloney Detection Toolkit — http://www.2012hoax.org/baloney

Apply this to every big claim made to you. If it is a bottle of water that is supposed to make you healthy, to extraterrestrials making crop circles, or a disaster happening in a year.

Unfortunately there is a lot of trickery out there.

Jeffrey

Music artists will use any material in their lyrical content, it's nothing new, nor is it anything exciting.
It's called "Creativity", if someone has difficulty understanding the word "Creativity", I recommend a dictionary,
creativity is often used in music (imagine that!), the infamous Rapcore groups such as the Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid and KottonMouth Kings had similar content in their lyrics, some of their songs vaguely spoke of a world order, while others spoke of going against a world order or, "sticking it to the man", if you will.

It's all for the lyrical content and nothing more.

Your last post was inflammatory in nature. Please refrain from such posts in the future.

quoted textWow, you have a few things mixed in there… let me see if I can address some of them.

"New World Order" - Generally a government 'boogie-man' invoked by people who would like you to believe that the government (or governments) are all sinister, and out to get you. Frequently invoked by Protestant Christians with a fundamentalist background who see it as a fulfillment of the book of Revelations, but also frequently invoked by left-leaning conspiracy theorists, who blame everything on a government/corporate conspiracy.
"Illuminati" - does not exist, and hasn't existed since the 18th century. The Bavarian Illuminati were a real group, but they aren't around any more.
"Coffins" - There was an aerial shot of a FEMA facility that showed what appeared to be a large number of coffins. It turns out that this was a real photograph, but it has a mundane and legitimate (if rather disturbing) reason. One of the largest problems in the aftermath of a large natural disaster is the spread of disease from dead bodies. Cholera, for example, can kill an otherwise healthy person in just a few hours. In other countries (for example in the aftermath of the indian ocean tsunami) the bodies are bulldozed into piles and cremated en masse. This presents a problem in trying to find the identities of all of the people. Instead, FEMA puts the bodies into air-tight "coffin liners", which prevents the spread of disease, but also allows for later identification through DNA.
"they killed lots of celebrities" - That one I can really sink my teeth into. When a celebrity dies, they leave behind fans. Some of them don't like that their hero/heroine went the way of the drug overdose (Jackson, Presley) or got shot by a jealous fan (Lennon, Serena), or caught a disease from using dirty needles and died from liver failure (Wilson). They would rather think that the end of their hero was… well… heroic. So these rumors that they were killed by the government, or by shadowy, sinister organizations begin to creep in. It has been said here a couple of times by people that they think that people who sing about certain topics (i.e., the Illuminati) wind up in an early grave. I have yet to see any one of the people making this claim support their claim with any kind of statistic. As I said elsewhere: Making a claim is easy. Supporting it is hard. Defending it is even harder.
In order to support the idea that these singers were killed because of their lyrics, you would have to begin by gathering statistics on all of the singers (or perhaps all of the singers in the genera, at least). Sort them into two groups: Those that sing about those topics, and those that don't. Then you would have to show that there is a statistical correlation between singing about the Illuminati and an early death. Then you would have to remove all other variables, such as any other risk factors they had for early deaths, such as drug use, alcoholism, gang affiliations, etc., etc.
Once all of that is done, and if there is still a statistical correlation, then you might be onto something that deserves a closer look. You still can't conclude that a correlation exists until you do another round of data gathering, expanding your search parameters, and you are a long way away from showing a cause-and-effect relationship.
See, science is hard. It's mostly boring, slogging work, gathering data, then mining that data looking for your statistical trends, and then trying to eliminate extraneous variables that might be influencing your data. Most people don't get that. They think, "oh look, A came before B, so A caused B', and take off from there.

Hello RoryFoster,

Astro has the right of it.

It is saddening that this conspiracy thoery has you so scared; I hope that Astro has helped to relieve your fears.

Anybody can get on the internet and make grandiose claims.

@ontheinside: Do that again and I'll give you the same treatment I gave Gorelick.

Wow, you have a few things mixed in there… let me see if I can address some of them.

"New World Order" - Generally a government 'boogie-man' invoked by people who would like you to believe that the government (or governments) are all sinister, and out to get you. Frequently invoked by Protestant Christians with a fundamentalist background who see it as a fulfillment of the book of Revelations, but also frequently invoked by left-leaning conspiracy theorists, who blame everything on a government/corporate conspiracy.

"Illuminati" - does not exist, and hasn't existed since the 18th century. The Bavarian Illuminati were a real group, but they aren't around any more.

"Coffins" - There was an aerial shot of a FEMA facility that showed what appeared to be a large number of coffins. It turns out that this was a real photograph, but it has a mundane and legitimate (if rather disturbing) reason. One of the largest problems in the aftermath of a large natural disaster is the spread of disease from dead bodies. Cholera, for example, can kill an otherwise healthy person in just a few hours. In other countries (for example in the aftermath of the indian ocean tsunami) the bodies are bulldozed into piles and cremated en masse. This presents a problem in trying to find the identities of all of the people. Instead, FEMA puts the bodies into air-tight "coffin liners", which prevents the spread of disease, but also allows for later identification through DNA.

"they killed lots of celebrities" - That one I can really sink my teeth into. When a celebrity dies, they leave behind fans. Some of them don't like that their hero/heroine went the way of the drug overdose (Jackson, Presley) or got shot by a jealous fan (Lennon, Serena), or caught a disease from using dirty needles and died from liver failure (Wilson). They would rather think that the end of their hero was… well… heroic. So these rumors that they were killed by the government, or by shadowy, sinister organizations begin to creep in. It has been said here a couple of times by people that they think that people who sing about certain topics (i.e., the Illuminati) wind up in an early grave. I have yet to see any one of the people making this claim support their claim with any kind of statistic. As I said elsewhere: Making a claim is easy. Supporting it is hard. Defending it is even harder.

In order to support the idea that these singers were killed because of their lyrics, you would have to begin by gathering statistics on all of the singers (or perhaps all of the singers in the genera, at least). Sort them into two groups: Those that sing about those topics, and those that don't. Then you would have to show that there is a statistical correlation between singing about the Illuminati and an early death. Then you would have to remove all other variables, such as any other risk factors they had for early deaths, such as drug use, alcoholism, gang affiliations, etc., etc.

Once all of that is done, and if there is still a statistical correlation, then you might be onto something that deserves a closer look. You still can't conclude that a correlation exists until you do another round of data gathering, expanding your search parameters, and you are a long way away from showing a cause-and-effect relationship.

See, science is hard. It's mostly boring, slogging work, gathering data, then mining that data looking for your statistical trends, and then trying to eliminate extraneous variables that might be influencing your data. Most people don't get that. They think, "oh look, A came before B, so A caused B', and take off from there.

This is a personal note. * The FBI followed my family for years because we had Communists in my family blowing things up.* NO ONE IN MY FAMILY WAS EVER KILLED BY THE FBI OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENT. I am living proof that the government is not out to get us. WE WERE NOT DETAINED IN CAMPS OR INCINERATED. The Communists did go to jail after a trial. Everyone including the Communists died of natural causes in their beds surrounded by family members. We had to pay for our own coffins and funerals.

On another personal note, stop listening to Eminem. He is also my son's favourite artist as well. I am familiar with him. My son has to stop listening from time to time since Eminem's music makes him want to punch the walls and throw chairs. I think if you listen to other rappers, you may find that you will feel better. And I have never heard that Tupac and Biggie Smalls were killed by the Illuminati. Yes, their murders are still unsolved but I doubt that who ever did it had New World Order in mind.

Ok i know this is very off-topic but i really am truly frightened because im only 13 and to hear lots of people saying that the government have coffins and incinerators for us and they killed lots of celebrities makes me think wow this could be true .

all the people that were killed by the illuminati and new world order never had a investigation ''Tupac,Biggie smalls,Big L'' im on the verge of killing my self after hearing all this i dont wanna be burned alive in an incinerator or killed please respond back