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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>3WMElliott</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>487486</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>'Scientific sounding' is pretty much the nail on the head there. People have a tendency to believe authority figures, whether the information they have is correct or not - we listen to our Doctors, we generally do what the police tell us to do, our teachers know more than the students they teach, and you may have heard of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment">the Milgram experiment</a>, which really pushes how far this obedience can go.</p> <p>With regards to 2012, or even pseudoscience in general, you'll see proponents banded about as self-proclaimed experts. In that one word, expert, we're led to believe that they really do have something to say. I can only really speak for Sitchin and the Nibiru crowd, who see him as an expert in his field simply because he knew more about Sumerians than the YouTubers who cite him. The only problem is that he was a poor choice of authority to follow on the subject, but you'd only know that if you stepped outside and look at the claims from another angle.</p> <p>Set yourself up to be any kind of authority on a subject, even to the extent of being in contact with aliens, and you put yourself one step higher than the audience you have, who in turn reinforce your 'authority' - you don't have to know anything complex, you just need to know more than your audience.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>snorks</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>603648</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I thought as much - garbage. What I don't get is how they get so specific - is it a matter of glomming onto something they do vaguely know and just expanding it a wee bit? Then someone else adds something more 'scientific sounding'&#8230;. I also don't understand the level of belief that is entailed with not checking out things.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Yes, but isn't explaining why it's ridiculous then going into the territory of the Galactic Equator/Plane page?</p> <p>Can it not be a case of &quot;Some say the solar system will pass through the galactic plane in 2012, as in this diagram. There are however a number of reasons why this isn't the case (including we've already passed through, millions of years between passes, there isn't really a defined plane/literal half to the galaxy etc)&quot;</p> <p>I suppose it's that balance of background info vs tackling a claim. Either there needs to be better talking between the pages (see this page for more information on the definitions, see that page for the claim that we will pass through the plane - which happens to an extent with the Galactic Alignment page), or we can find out if they play nicely together as a single page with Galactic Equator/Plane as the single focus (all claims associated with the Plane goes on the Plane page, all associated with Alignment goes on an Alignment page etc).</p> <p>They may not all go together well, certainly, may be better to keep them apart, but wherever possible we should clear up what we do and don't need, and where we need it.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>bikenbeer2000</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>403189</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Do you mean the claim connected to the diagram at the top of the <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/galactic-plane">Galactic Plane</a> page?<br /> If so, there isn't any particular definition of this plane that I know of. It's sufficiently fuzzy for the date of the passage of the solar system through it to be uncertain by probably a few hundred thousand years. That's one reason why the diagram illustrating this passage as taking place on a particular day is so ridiculous.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I actually doubt that Earth goes around the galactic disc in 230 million years.<br /> If the Sun gets very close to a star or a group of stars then we will get a gravity assist(s) of this and we get in a higher or lower orbit.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Wouldn't you use the definition of the plane, as fuzzy as it is, to show why the Galatic Plane claim doesn't hold any ground in the first place?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>&quot;According to various New Age sources, the Photon Band (Belt) was discovered in 1961 by satellites. These sources state that the band encircles the Pleiades at an absolute right angle to its orbital plane.</p> </blockquote> <p>Lotsa garbage.</p> <blockquote> <p>Sol, our Sun, orbits the Pleiades every 26,000 years</p> </blockquote> <p>Bucketloads of garbage. The 26k years is pulled from the length of our <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession_%28astronomy%29">Axial precession</a>.</p> <blockquote> <p>and reaches the mid-point of the Band every 12,500 years.</p> </blockquote> <p>Seeing as there is no band and the Sun isn't orbiting anything over the course of 26k years, that's more garbage.</p> <blockquote> <p>This Earth/Sun/Pleiades cycle is at the end of a 230,000,000 year orbit around the Galactic Center. (20)&quot;</p> </blockquote> <p>Give or take that number is accurate, 225-250mil years for the Sun to orbit the galactic center once. But of course it's accurate only in that regard, not to the regard that the Earth/Sun/Pleiades are in any cycle in the first place. Which they aren't. Cue the garbage.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>snorks</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>603648</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I need info on this:<br /> Yes, I know the Photon Band doesn't exist. However the rest of the galactic plane stuff - I do not know enough to know if this is garbage or not.</p> <p>I wrote this as part of a greater essay on New Age 2012 stuff&quot;</p> <p>&quot;According to various New Age sources, the Photon Band (Belt) was discovered in 1961 by satellites. These sources state that the band encircles the Pleiades at an absolute right angle to its orbital plane. Sol, our Sun, orbits the Pleiades every 26,000 years, and reaches the mid-point of the Band every 12,500 years. This Earth/Sun/Pleiades cycle is at the end of a 230,000,000 year orbit around the Galactic Center. (20)&quot; &lt;&#8212;&#8212; is that cycle etc garbage?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Having put some work into the recently added Galactic Equator/Plane page, I wouldn't like to see it merged. Perhaps it would more properly be titled Galactic Equator Definition.<br /> I agree that the diagram at the top of the <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/galactic-plane">Galactic Plane</a> page should be clearly labelled as nonsense. It's lifted straight from a crank website and I think this should also be made clear.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Seems we have two Galactic Plane pages, so a spot of merging would perhaps be the thing to do.</p> 
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				<title>Galactic Plane diagram</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>People have been sending me links to the diagram on the Galactic Plane page to &quot;show me&quot; what WILL happen in 2012, when in fact the diagram is supposed to illustrate what will not happen.</p> <p>Could we please modify the diagram to make this clear? Maybe put a thin red line or cross through it? Or add the words &quot;incorrect&quot; or &quot;not true&quot;?</p> 
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