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		<title>How did they miss that?</title>
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				<title>Re: How did they miss that?</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I have to complete the list for 21 dec 2010!</p> <p>AND the Saturn the Sun, Jupiter and Uranus are all aligned!<br /> AND Mercury is aligned between the Sun and Earth and the galactic equator center AND the big bad back hole!<br /> AND Venus is very close.</p> <p>Hell this is far more interesting to sync your Mayan time clock to than the 2012 time since he planets are not even aligned and boring.</p> <p>The Earth should have ended right now.</p> 
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				<title>Re: How did they miss that?</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 05:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Oh, we're all dead and just don't know it, like the man who isn't dead in Monty Python and the Holy Grail:</p> <p>&quot;I'm not dead.&quot;<br /> &quot; 'Ere, he says he's not dead.&quot;<br /> &quot;Yes he is.&quot;<br /> &quot;I'm not.&quot;<br /> &quot;He isn't.&quot;<br /> &quot;Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.&quot;<br /> &quot;I'm getting better.&quot;<br /> &quot;No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.&quot;<br /> &quot;Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.&quot;<br /> &quot;I don't want to go on the cart.&quot;<br /> &quot;Oh, don't be such a baby.&quot;</p> 
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				<title>Re: How did they miss that?</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>So, today (December 21st, 2010) there was a total lunar eclipse, and Venus is near its greatest western elongation (which occurs on January 8th, 2011), and the solstice occurs at 23:38 UT… all in one day!!!</p> </blockquote> <p>AND the sun was aligned with the galactic equator!<br /> AND the sun was aligned with the evil black hole!<br /> AND there was a lunar eclips!<br /> AND it is new moon!</p> <p>Why does this world still exist?</p> 
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				<title>Re: How did they miss that?</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Because JMJ and others do not know diddly about astronomy and Mayas as much as they believe they do.</p> 
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				<title>How did they miss that?</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/john-major-jenkins">John Major Jenkins</a> has claimed that the Maya designed the long count calendar to end on December 21st, 2012, based on the idea that the solstice sun would be in the dark rift on that date.</p> <p>As interesting a claim that this is (<a href="http://2012hoax.wikidot.com/dark-rift">and we discuss it in detail elsewhere</a>) it begs the question: Did the Maya consider this alignment significant?</p> <p>An interesting counter-claim is that the Maya <strong>should</strong> have picked the December solstice <em><strong>2010</strong></em>.</p> <p>Why?</p> <p>We know that the Maya tracked and predicted lunar eclipses, and the cycles of Venus. Tables of both of these events appear in the Dresden Codex. So, today (December 21st, 2010) there was a total lunar eclipse, and Venus is near its greatest western elongation (which occurs on January 8th, 2011), <em><strong>and</strong></em> the solstice occurs at 23:38 UT&#8230; <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>all in one day!!!</em></span></strong></p> <p>From space.com:<sup class="footnoteref"><a id="footnoteref-399389-1" href="javascript:;" class="footnoteref" >1</a></sup></p> <blockquote> <p>The total lunar eclipse was the only one this year and the only one in the last 372 years to coincide with the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere, which is the longest and darkest night of the year.</p> </blockquote> <p>So, given that all of this occurs on a single day, is clearly visible to any interested observer (unlike the position of the sun in the dark rift), and that the Maya were clearly interested in both the cycles of Venus and lunar eclipses, why would they settle for 2012?</p> <div class="footnotes-footer"> <div class="title">Footnotes</div> <div class="footnote-footer" id="footnote-399389-1"><a href="javascript:;" >1</a>. <a href="http://www.space.com/spacewatch/total-lunar-eclipse-photos-101221.html">http://www.space.com/spacewatch/total-lunar-eclipse-photos-101221.html</a></div> </div> 
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