I guess the only way to confirm anything is through the great Juju who I apparently wasted PRECIOUS gaming time.

Clearly it's not that PRECIOUS if I'm willing to waste it on you, but the point is just that such time would probably be better spent in a game, even a bad one.

This JuJu also is claiming I am someone I am not.

Apparently you can't read, because I didn't say any such thing. I said, "You really remind me of someone else…." If you want to read into that, it's your own prerogative, but stop making things up.

I sincerely hope we can focus on the quesitons and the topic instead of my outlandish behavior this time….

Every question you asked was answered, sometimes several times. Don't pretend otherwise.

I guess the only way to confirm anything is through the great Juju who I apparently wasted PRECIOUS gaming time. This JuJu also is claiming I am someone I am not.

I am going to start a new thread, that is taken in a more manner fasion.
I sincerely hope we can focus on the quesitons and the topic instead of my outlandish behavior this time….
I will create the thread under my name Erik without my last name for simple reasons.

Even if i were to spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to stop just a fraction of any of these problems, it would not stop them overall. I honestly just dont see a large amount of people trying to fix these problems any time soon.

You think because you can highlight what I said that you are right and that I am wrong?

No, I think I can address what you said and explain why what you're saying is absurd, as has been done several times over in this thread. I handled it all in three sentences, in my previous message, and you've conveniently ignored every word of it.

You sound like a very selfish [person].

Maybe I am, and that means precisely nothing in regard to this exchange.

My repeated assertion that no one has addressed these issues is you twisting my words.
I said that there has been no solutions.

You have repeatedly claimed that no one has even read the pile of hysterical feces you linked to. For example:

- "Besides the fact you obviously are oblivious to the main fact. Actually go in and read."

- "Either way no one has read it yet, Its easy to tell. Thanks again for not helping me."

- "Not really you still didn't read what I posted in the begining."

- "no they havent because they only thing he talked about was how I related what Pack talked about with 2012. Which apparently I should not have done. And if you read about 1/6 of the article/book what have you, you would see what Im talking/concerned about."

And you keep repeating this nonsense while [willfully?] ignoring the fact that everything you've brought up has been addressed. In fact, if you had bothered to search this forum instead of starting hysterical threads, you would have found that most of these issues were talked about ad nauseam months before you even showed up here. Surprised? Well, believe it, my boy. You are certainly not the first person to show up here wringing your little hands over peak oil, war, famine, et al.

I know there have been plenty of "addresses" towards these issues.

Apparently you don't.

But without solution you make the problem worse.

There are solutions. Some of them aren't easy, none will likely bear fruit in your lifetime, and things like war and famine will probably always exist, but generations of humans have displayed a unique ability to adapt and solve unique problems.

What posts have I made where I have said"OMG WERE DOOMED"
None, so again, stop twisting my words.

Nearly everything you've written has been in that vein. I don't have to twist your words. People can read your hysteria for themselves (not that I would encourage them to).

For someone who cares about debunking false claims you sure are the right person. You can't even say whats on your mind here without being ripped apart by "TheGreatJuJu"

TheGreatJuju goes into ripping mode when you shift from asking questions to touting an agenda.

I dont think William Hudson wants people like you responding in the manner you do to adolescants, especially when you really are not trying to help anyone else but yourself.

It doesn't really help me to post here, especially when I waste my time responding to trolls like you, who try to peddle an agenda disguised as looking for help. I just sacrificed some quality gaming time to type this response to your latest batch of garbage. On the odd occasion I'm glad to help someone who asks genuine questions, and I'm occasionally amused by some of the weirdos who show up here.

You probably shouldn't presume to speak for Bill, though I guess you can ask him to revoke my administrator status if I've hurt your feelings.

Im honestly,sincerley, and deffinatly scared. you are only making it worse JuJu. Cmon.

You're full of crap, and we both know it. If you actually are scared, you're a complete idiot for acting the way you have toward the people you claim to want help from. You really remind me of someone else….

I said it.

Deal with it.

Quit your little religious argument over the return of Jesus, because really, that's a pointless argument. I don't /care/ if you're Christian, Shinto, Buddhist, or Atheist.

It confounds me how much faith anyone puts in a book, just because the book says it's absolute. As I've argued before, that is like someone believing the Lord of the Rings happened just because the book ends with "Oh, this is a non-fictional story."

Religious questioning aside, David C. Pack is a doofus. Harold Camping is a doofus. The other guy who's name I've forgotten is a doofus.

End of topic.

I do no many people today fulfill this verse but there are still many many others that don't.

What you would read if you read for about 5 minutes in David Packs aritcle is the well known facts that there are problems in this world. Mainly : War, famine, pollution (which makes disease and food and water suply worse) food and water distribution, and economic failure(if the U.S. economy stays the way it is we will be 600% in debt of our GDP by 2060).

There is famine has been a long time and nothing happened. War, we had two last century, and nothing happened. Pollution, we are having since we created polluting machines. Food and water distribution is a problem has a long time and economic failures, I can name hundreds.
These are definitely not signs of any end of the world.

What I was trying to get at before I got ripped apart by JuJu was how these problems are things that the bible has multiple verses about, and how there is serious concern in David PAck and in me that these things can cause some very serious problems in the near future.

I agree, but why saying these problems are signs, instead of trying to stop them. If you and David Pack are concerned, do something. Who are we to disagree on this?

If we become over populated, people will become more hungry and thirsty than ever. By 2050 I doubt every area in the world will have as advanced water and sewage systems as America does, which means half the world would be without safe water to drink. This would cause crisis among those in that situaiton. America and other NATO nations will be called upon to help. And what % do you think will come trough?

Don't you think that it's a problem that requires solution? I think it is and I ask you what you are doing to stop this problem. Debating about David C. Pack won't make these problems disappear. Do you really care about our planet or you just care about David?

Many problems like these will occurr with SO many people in the World, and it will obviously get violent. Middle east will always be in War and Violence, and the fact that Iran is becoming obsessed with Nuclear technology is dangerous to the rest of the world because other middle eastern countries could have access to Nuclear Warheads. There control over these is very little compared to the U.S. Europe and Asia power nations. This could meen that if religious radicals (AlQueda, Rebels all throughout the middle east ect) had their hands on this tech. it could send us into WW3 easily…

Sorry, but another World War is pretty far from happening due to simple reasons. One, the nations won't get into another war and destroy themselves with bombs. Two, there are no apparent reasons for a war (yet). Three, not too many countries have nuclear bombs.

You see RickardM Elliot did not address any of these issues because he did not read any of the article. All these things that are at a high % rate of becoming a reality in a half a century or less, have connection with the Bible, Rapture dates and theories, and all the other conspiracies people come up with. Do i need to go into more examples from David Packs article? cuz is making me distrought typing this. These issues are real and can end us all. Are you guys with me a little more now?

I still think you are not doing anything and you simply don't care about the problems and you prefer discussing David Pack instead of doing something really good.

What you would read if you read for about 5 minutes in David Packs aritcle is the well known facts that there are problems in this world.
Mainly : War, famine, pollution (which makes disease and food and water suply worse) food and water distribution, and economic failure(if the U.S. economy stays the way it is we will be 600% in debt of our GDP by 2060).

"Elliot" Did not address any of these issues.
What I was trying to get at before I got ripped apart by JuJu was how these problems are things that the bible has multiple verses about, and how there is serious concern in David PAck and in me that these things can cause some very serious problems in the near future.

Example.
If we become over populated, people will become more hungry and thirsty than ever. By 2050 I doubt every area in the world will have as advanced water and sewage systems as America does, which means half the world would be without safe water to drink. This would cause crisis among those in that situaiton. America and other NATO nations will be called upon to help. And what % do you think will come trough?

Many problems like these will occurr with SO many people in the World, and it will obviously get violent. Middle east will always be in War and Violence, and the fact that Iran is becoming obsessed with Nuclear technology is dangerous to the rest of the world because other middle eastern countries could have access to Nuclear Warheads. There control over these is very little compared to the U.S. Europe and Asia power nations. This could meen that if religious radicals (AlQueda, Rebels all throughout the middle east ect) had their hands on this tech. it could send us into WW3 easily…

You see RickardM Elliot did not address any of these issues because he did not read any of the article. All these things that are at a high % rate of becoming a reality in a half a century or less, have connection with the Bible, Rapture dates and theories, and all the other conspiracies people come up with.
Do i need to go into more examples from David Packs article? cuz is making me distrought typing this. These issues are real and can end us all. Are you guys with me a little more now?

Lets all discuss

I'm not able to make an innoportune discussion. We arrived to many conclusions here. We all know David C. Pack is a fool and is a false christian.
We could discuss if we had different opinions, but we all know that guy is unbiblical and pseudochristian, so discuss what?

Lets all discuss

Religion only becomes a factor in this discussion because the nutjob who wrote the text is a Christian.

We are fighting fire with fire. Religion with religion. I'm glad we can debunk woo christianism with christianism.

My repeated assertion that no one has addressed these issues is you twisting my words.
I said that there has been no solutions.
I know there have been plenty of "addresses" towards these issues.
But without solution you make the problem worse.

What posts have I made where I have said"OMG WERE DOOMED"
None, so again, stop twisting my words.

For someone who cares about debunking false claims you sure are the right person. You can't even say whats on your mind here without being ripped apart by "TheGreatJuJu"

I dont think William Hudson wants people like you responding in the manner you do to adolescants, especially when you really are not trying to help anyone else but yourself.

Im honestly,sincerley, and deffinatly scared. you are only making it worse JuJu. Cmon.

And if you read about 1/6 of the article/book what have you, you would see what Im talking/concerned about.

Thanks.

What Im trying to understand here is why I shouldnt be worried that the issues David Pack discused dont have any correlation with possible catastrophic results in a very near future(not just 2012)

And Mephis i do agree with you

I have not posted one single "OMG WERE DOOMED " post.

Really? Because it looks like nearly every post you've made here has been one.

I actually found this guy and his website from Tomy 2011 or one of the other frequent authorities of this site.

I honestly don't care where you found him.

I found one book about how the worlds problems are very real and are happening (I agree they are obviously real. Wars, famines, food and water sortage and inneffecent spread of it ect ect.) and that all these things like fresh water and food will be scarce because we will have 12 billion people on Earth in 2050.

Those problems have always existed and always will. Global population is the exception. Since some humans clearly have a problem checking reproductive rates, it's all the more reason to explore our Solar System. Your repeated assertion that no one has proposed solutions to these problems is utterly hysterical and groundless.

Im not trolling.

Whatever.

I want some responses from people who actually read the link i gave in the summary and in the details i gave when i started the thread.

You've gotten responses. You just don't like them, apparently. Wringing your hands over "wars, famines, food and water [shortages]" is a pointless exercise. If you're really only 16, maybe you just aren't yet familiar with history and how the world has been over the ages, but you need to simmer down.

As to 'relate to what the bible says', that's the crux of the argument, whether the issues you list will actually result in 'the end' shall we say, or indeed whether they are actually getting worse in the first place.

The thing about the site is that they dont understand God and time

The think the verse to god a day is like a thousand years means that to god a day is a thousand years

But its purpose is to tell that god rules time not that its a thousand years as it says Like , not is …

And about a riot on 2012 , look at Y2K what ppl did that time i bet there were books about y2k , and like mike said hes a false prophet , and trust me Mike knows alot

And the reasson why people think you'r a troll is because they laugh at you , they explain something to you and you dont listen you want a better answer , well i just gave you one

-Awesomeee

In ten years time I will see it as a warning that should have been taken seriously by billions of people.

No one in our government (USA) in Europes government, or anywhere else has found a solution to these issues. Why? I dont know if we can answer that here on this website forum unfortunatly.
As a 16 year old in the midwest its pretty hard to comprehend the reality that is the fact that these issues are in fact getting worse, the bible had verses that said certain mindsets of man that are here today would happen which they are, and that I have been trying my hardest for about 3 months to figure out what is really going on.

I never said anyhting along the lines of "WERE DOOMED"

im trying to find answers.

I understand what I said about riots and shootings during 2012 wasnt right, sorry. but those things will probably happen on a very small scale. Thats what I should have said, but Please read some of the link I gave.

The coming Utopian age that God planned long ago will be absolutely marvelous.

I can't believe someone dening some of those statements in there. They are pretty straight forward science/fact.

"People will find pleasures in anything BUT God"
It is what the world is today.
I don't believe anything but researched fact, and its in there.

I actually found this guy and his website from Tomy 2011 or one of the other frequent authorities of this site.

They made a referance to ourfutureworld or some website i found it at.

It had David Pack all over the site.
I found one book about how the worlds problems are very real and are happening (I agree they are obviously real. Wars, famines, food and water sortage and inneffecent spread of it ect ect.) and that all these things like fresh water and food will be scarce because we will have 12 billion people on Earth in 2050.

Im not trolling.
I want some responses from people who actually read the link i gave in the summary and in the details i gave when i started the thread.

Thanks again for not helping me.

Every subject you've raised has been addressed. I simply don't think you're here for answers. As Rickard says, you're behaving very much like someone else who was here recently. Asking questions is one thing. Repeatedly making these insipid "OMG we r doomed!" posts and getting hostile toward the members here are actions unlikely to endear you to anyone.

It makes a lot of sense.

If you happen to believe there is a deity that will make it all better, yes, it probably does make some sense (so guess which one of us doesn't hold that belief…).

Your comments about riots and all sorts of stuff on dec. 21 2012 didn't exactly help your case, and I hope you can see why?

Dec 2012 will only stimulate those things because of all the people that will put bullets in their brains, all the people that will rob stores and banks, all the people who will riot, all the people that will murder, all the people that will be scared, and all the people, like you, who will sit back in their homes and watch CNN as the world will deffinatly be impacted by this date.

Unlike you, Erik, I can count the number of people in my immediate social life who even give thought to the 2012 phenomenon. It's one. Me. Nobody around here gives a toss about this nonsense. I don't even know anyone around here who has even mentioned the likes of Harold Camping. The apocalypse is not on the minds of the majority of people here, and I'd argue on this planet. Your views of all hell therefore breaking loose because of the date is, as I said before, absurd.

After that date, these world problems will STILL not be even CLOSE to being solved. Do you understand?

So why did you mention the date? Other than to try to argue we'll all riot. Sorry, everyone but me will riot, as I'm apparently watching an American news network that isn't broadcast over here. You are arguably no better than proponents, jumping on the bandwagon of an insignificant date to get your point across. Why? Why is it necessary to include a date when you yourself have said words to the effect of it meaning diddlysquat with relation to the worlds problems.

actually read what I purposed to be read, before you twist my words into a different concern or problem.

Hows about you read my reply? Here, I'll quote myself:

There are plenty of things that can be done around here, and plenty of things that will simply not be achieved by man as we know them. Having a single date trigger these issues getting better or worse is in many senses absurd, I don't see the need for even hinging an argument on it.

After that date, these world problems will STILL not be even CLOSE to being solved. Do you understand?

actually read what I purposed to be read, before you twist my words into a different concern or problem.

Could it become visible, start, become more severe, grow in problems on Dec 21st 2012? YES

Aaaaand we've hit a bit of a disagreement there. You simply didn't need to say that - it appears you've just chucked it in because 'that's what the date is'. If you've said in your first statement that these things have no direct reference towards the date, how can they then suddenly become worse after the date?

There are plenty of things that can be done around here, and plenty of things that will simply not be achieved by man as we know them. Having a single date trigger these issues getting better or worse is in many senses absurd, I don't see the need for even hinging an argument on it.