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		<title>Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<title>Re: Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>TheGreatJuju</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>469590</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>He was a professional crank, claiming to divine prophecies by way of astrology.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Does anyone know why Nostradamus actually wrote these quatrains. Did he see himself as a prophet or fortune teller so to speak. Did he categorize himself as this type of person or was he just a poet and a writer. I can't find anything about this time period where Nostradamus was warning people that he could see the future. So was he just a writer and his work was later interpretted to be something else that it wasn't originally meant to be</p> 
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				<title>Re: Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>There is a third option, that his predictions are true but predict something other than the complete end of earth. His doomsday predictions could mark an upheaval or large loss of life (but not complete). If that was the case, then this allows for predictions to continue past 2012. To be honest, this quote is sloppy work.</p> </blockquote> <p>Your quoted portion of the Nostradamus page explicitly includes the phrases &quot;predicted an apocalyptic event&quot; and &quot;world does not end.&quot; If something other than the &quot;end of the world&quot; were at issue, then maybe you would have a point. I suppose a desperate proponent <em>could</em> craft a claim wherein some non-world-ending cataclysm is front and center, but then we would be addressing <em>that</em> claim instead, likely right back to asking where the claim was made and how exactly it relates to some specific event in a specific year. However, that isn't the case, despite your apparent desire for it to be otherwise.</p> <blockquote> <p>Also, I was disappointed to see no mention of his prophetic sketches and hoax-interpretations of them being discussed. It did feature in Nostradamus 2012 documentary by History Channel.</p> </blockquote> <p><em>'The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will make two suns appear: The great mastiff will be all night howling, When the great pontiff changes his land.' (Century 2, Quatrain 41)</em></p> <p><em>Like all of his quatrains, this is so vaguely worded that you can, with the right spin, claim that Nostradamus predicted nearly any event! For example, the quatrain above could be easily construed as a supernova. Look! Nostradamus predicted SN1987A, the 1988 election of George Bush (The Great pontiff being Reagan), and the defeat of Michael Dukakis (the great mastiff). See how easy it is?</em></p> <p><em>Almost invariably, 2012 proponents who quote Nostradamus rearrange the quatrains to suit themselves. Since the quatrains are so vague, they can be interpreted to mean anything. Examples of this abound on the internet.</em></p> <p>Now what was this about &quot;prophetic sketches?&quot; Same point applies. Hand-waving criticism ain't gonna impress anybody here.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Artelis</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1209278</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <blockquote> <p>There is a third option, that his predictions are true but predict something other than the complete end of earth.</p> </blockquote> <p>But the page (and the entire site) is here to counter the claims that the world will end in 2012. In that context, the argument is valid - those saying Nostradamus predicted a world ending doomsday in 2012, are cherry picking predictions that fit their argument and discarding those that don't.</p> 
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				<title>Nostradamus false dichotomy</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Rageous</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1505268</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Stumbled upon the Nostradamus page (can't link, new user):</p> <blockquote> <p>If we are to believe that Nostradamus predicted an apocalyptic event in 2012, then we must then ignore the fact that his quatrains extend well beyond 2012. In fact his quatrains reach out to ~3790 AD. So either the world does not end in 2012 and Nostradamus' subsequent predictions are wrong, or Nostradamus' predictions after 2012 are correct, and the prediction about 2012 is wrong. This dilemma is rarely discussed by proponents.</p> </blockquote> <p>There is a third option, that his predictions are true but predict something other than the complete end of earth. His doomsday predictions could mark an upheaval or large loss of life (but not complete). If that was the case, then this allows for predictions to continue past 2012. To be honest, this quote is sloppy work.</p> <p>Also, I was disappointed to see no mention of his prophetic sketches and hoax-interpretations of them being discussed. It did feature in Nostradamus 2012 documentary by History Channel.</p> 
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