Astrology a fringe belief? Then why does the Roman Catholic Church use it to determine Easter Sunday and all the other holidays. The first Sunday after the Full Moon after the Equinox is an astrology formula. All religions with calendars for spiritual activity are using astrology. Even the modern Gregorian calendar was fixed so March 21, would be near the Equinox every year; the same Equinox that marks the beginning of the Zodiac. Everyone knows their Sun sign right? Even you do! Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's bunk.
Astrology is based on the utter falsity that celestial events which happen anywhere from hundreds of thousands of miles away (the moon) to millions or billions of miles (the planets) or even light years away (the stars) have an effect on us.
Yes, it is a fringe belief. The only good thing about astrology is that it gave birth to the science of Astronomy.
your pretentious and arrogant beliefs in science and chaos have clouded your perception on possibility. wrap your mind around quantum theory, understand nature's engineering, embrace philosophy, then review your stance. just because you like to handcock the science community and fear and dismiss results that counter your arguements, doesn't mean you can be an open minded person. I will liaf at you.
your pretentious and arrogant beliefs in science and chaos have clouded your perception on possibility.
What does "clouded your perception on possibility" even mean? Is that something people who don't have any evidence for their claims like to say?
wrap your mind around quantum theory
Science.
understand nature's engineering
Science, to whatever extent it can be metaphorically called "engineering."
embrace philosophy
Spawned science, and has been largely supplanted by it in natural inquiry.
just because you like to handcock the science community and fear and dismiss results that counter your arguements, doesn't mean you can be an open minded person. I will liaf at you.
Somebody's angry….
your pretentious and arrogant beliefs
Please expand on how my beliefs are 'pretentious and arrogant', because, quite frankly, I consider it to be the opposite of arrogant to base my beliefs on established observation and empirically based theory.
… in science and chaos
"Chaos"? Oh this gets better and better. Please describe how I 'believe in chaos'.
… have clouded your perception on possibility.
Is that a variant of the "Just keep an open mind" argument?
wrap your mind around quantum theory,
It is ironic, considering how you lambasted me above for my "pretentious and arrogant beliefs in science" but here you are suggesting I wrap my mind around quantum theory.
understand nature's engineering, embrace philosophy, then review your stance.
The more I study science, the more I become convinced that it is the best way to describe the natural world.
Back in the age of the great Greek philosophers, it was thought that the natural world could be described to perfection via thought experiments. They thought that philosophy, and philosophy alone, could describe the extent and nature of the universe. Of course, by dismissing that pesky evidence-gathering thing, they made philosophy a dead-end road in many cases. It doesn't matter if your thought experiment, your philosophical musings, showed you that the world is flat, the data showed that the world is round. Empirical results are the cornerstone of science. If your theory can't make empirically testable predictions, then it fails as a theory.
just because you like to handcock the science community
Oh joy, a sexual reference.
and fear and dismiss results that counter your arguements,
Please feel free to indicate where I have dismissed results (and by 'results' I think you mean empirical data) that run counter to my arguments.
doesn't mean you can be an open minded person. I will liaf at you.
I'm shaking in my boots.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Ok, I love Astrology and all that but pure unrefutible science is what this is all about. Astrology being real isnt an issue, people believing this horrid hoax and causing children and under educate people such fear is. I am a layman myself that has had this fear for many years and has studied this since 2001(out of fear) and arguing about astology is a mute point when dealing with a hoax this large and that has caused DEATHS! Astrology is great, I have the book, studied it and know but fact is it has not to do with science other than alignments.
I wouldnt take it as an insult, take it as you are enlightened an knowlegable where others may not be. Leave it at that.
Love n light
What is the truth? Some items that need to be discussed as seen in Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura and other subjects.
1. The Denver airport and its many quirks
2. Missile silo condos only for the rich
3. Bush, Jr. purchasing land atop the largest freshwater aquifer in the world in Paraguay
4. The enormous amount of bunker building so large that they can be seen on Google maps.
5. Naval exercises that were conducted in middle of the Pacific ocean (the safest place to be during a tsunami) a few years ago for the purpose of humanitarian operations.
6. Activation of the linear accelerator. How increasing cosmic rays might affect it?
7. British military conducting "exercises" in caves in Mexico without the knowledge of
the Mexican government.
8. Isostasy. How this might be affecting present and future earthquakes and volcanos?
Just out of curiousity, do you have any source whatsoever to any of the above statements? And where are these "enormous amounts" of bunkers being built? Could it be Svalbard/Moesjoen?=)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Government bunkers:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2588979/conspiracy_theory_with_jesse_ventura.html?cat=2
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564270/pg1
http://2012base.com/Survival_Bunkers/Secret_Government_Bunkers/
Bush ranch in Paraguay:
http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/bush-family-purchases-100000-acres-in-paraguay/
British military exercise in Mexican caves:
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/mexico/cavers.htm
Massive US naval exercise:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-02/15/content_520553.htm
Denver airport:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html
See, this kind of saddens me a bit. I ask you to bring some credible evidence to the table, and the best you can do is provide links to ATS and Jesse Ventura? I'm sorry but you can twist and turn anything to make it a conspiracy. So, the governments are building bunkers? Well, then they must be preparing for the end of the world? Right?
Wrong, if any of the proposed 2012 scenarios are true then it wouldn't matter if you so were to hide a mile under earths surface. You still wouldn't make it. And the Canberra bunker on ATS that you linked to, it's above ground or not far below. Would that really provide any kind of protection if the earth were to open up in mile wide "canyons"?
Governments are always building bunkers, they are always striwing for protection against any kind of threat. That doesn't mean that they are preparing for doomsday. Or am I missing something here?=)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Credibility is determined solely by the source and not the blog that cites it. I guess you have to probably disbelieve every single
piece of news that comes from the internet. Everything on
the internet is a blog. The correct stance is to examine the source and determine the cited articles in the source for credibility. I would seriously distrust the wiki. It cites articles, but it does not indicate the validity of any of the articles.
Doomsday seems to be your nemesis. Your beliefs need to be re-examined because they cause you so much anguish. Every
single statement I make says that humanity can survive with the right preparation. Your statements suggest otherwise. What are the possible doomsday scenarios that I believe can happen?
1. Solar flare shuts down the power grid. People have to survive without power for several weeks.
2. Major earthquakes happen. People have to survive without government assistance for several weeks.
3. Asteroid strike happens. People have to survive in a bunker as well as survive the impending nuclear winter.
4. World War 3. Same as #3.
5. Methane fountains cause a firestorm. Anything in the open will be incinerated. Same as #3. Odds are increasing with the oil and methane leak.
6. Tsunami off the Gulf Coast. Odds are increasing with the seafloor around the pipe leaking oil. What does happen when
the oil empties and a big cavernous space no longer has any support? See Sumatra tsunami for historical example of the
seafloor collapsing.
Again where are your evidence that supports the above events happening in 2012?
Number 1 is discussed, and I think we have the same conclusion. However, scientists state that it is not likely to happen due to the resent sun activities.
Number 2 is too vague, major earthquakes happen every year. People do survive and some people die. It's normal, especially with the increasing population in high risk areas. Again, if you are saying that a some what more destructive earthquake would happen in 2012, where is your prove? To my understanding, even the most high-tech equipment and professional geologists why devote their lives in earthquake studies can't predict exactly when an earthquake occurs. What makes you think you can? Or any of the sites where you obtained your sources from?
Number 3 happens, but not in 2012. NASA has not spotted anything that can even come close to affect us in the near future, or couple of hundred years. Back in 2003, they did discover an asteroid which was calculated to make contact with earth in 2036. But that calculation was redone after more data became available. And guess what? It's not coming to hit us. (Even if it is, not in 2012).
Number 4 is possible, but not likely in 2012. Who's going to start the fighting? What makes you think it's a world war? Do you have any prove that this is going to happen? Or should I say, can you predict the future?
Number 5 sounds scary, maybe, but your statement is too vague. I have no knowledge of methane fountains. What makes you think the odds are going up? And what are the odds if they go up? Please don't just make wild claims, support them.
Number 6 sounds scary, possibly, any scientists agree with you? Or you are making claims again? And what does this have to do with 2012? Can you predict that it will happen in 2012? not 2011 or 2013?
Yes I agree with you that credibility is determined solely by the source and the amount of people that agree with it. Just because you and a couple of scientist agree on the issue, doesn't make it credible.
Please don't just make wild claims, support them.
Don't hold your breath. Making unsupported claims is apparently his modus operandi. Mine is to link to wikipedia, because he hates it when I do that.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Ok lets pick this apart shall we:
Doomsday seems to be your nemesis. Your beliefs need to be re-examined because they cause you so much anguish. Every
single statement I make says that humanity can survive with the right preparation. Your statements suggest otherwise. What are the possible doomsday scenarios that I believe can happen?
1. Solar flare shuts down the power grid. People have to survive without power for several weeks. This solar maximum is predicted to be a pretty mild one. Flares happen all the time, radiation from the sun is always hitting the Earth's magnetosphere, it's what causes the Northern Lights. Sometimes during high solar activity during the solar maximum, aircraft are stopped from flying over the polar reigons, as in rare occasions, radiation can stop their equipment from working. This year's solar max peak is not due until sometime in 2013, and again, is predicted to me as usual, or even a bit calmer. Our sun is not capable of producing a flare that would lead to a 'fireball' on Earth like in the movie knowing. Scientists have studied similar stars and have never observed this kind of behavour. Even the 'event' you describe is incredably rare, and probably if it does happen in the future, we would have improved power grids to be able to shut them down for a short period to protect them.
2. Major earthquakes happen. People have to survive without government assistance for several weeks. Major earthquakes happen all the time, every year, every day. Sadly people caught up in them often go he without or with very little government assistance at all due to economic or war realted issues. I do not think you understand the mechanics of an earthquake. Earthquakes are caused by the movement of the Earth's tectonic plates moving around. It is scientifically impossible for every plate on Earth to move at once, unless the crust was displaced by a massive force, like a huge planet passing by, the mythical Nibiru maybe? **It does not exist. There is no known physical or celestial thing on or around Earth that could cause a worldwide earthquake, it simply does not work like that. It is always wise to know what to do in the event of an earthquake if you live in earthquake prone parts of the world, however.**
3. Asteroid strike happens. People have to survive in a bunker as well as survive the impending nuclear winter.
There are no asteroids passing this year that pose ANY risk at all, or for many more years that pose a risk to the Earth. Meteorzap into the Earth's atmosphere every single day, some are as tiny as a grain of sand, some can be as big as a tennis ball. These form 'shooting stars', but they are not a star, they are a meteor zapping along in the atmosphere. Yes, they do occasionaly penetrate the atmosphere, but because Earth is a good 70% water, you usually never know about them. Try catching a meteor shower sometime, it is one of the mose beautiful sights you could ever see. Occasionaly you may hear a 'hissing and popping' sound, it is awesome.
4. World War 3. Same as #3. About the same risk now as there was in the 60s, probably more unlikely now because more and more countries are working together instead of against each other and more disputes are resolved peacefully. The main risk is from foreign and domestic terrorism, you should always be aware for any suspicious goings on like unattended bags in train stations etc. You could even argue WWIII has already started, with the US and UK vs Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Arab Spring revolution.
5. Methane fountains cause a firestorm. Anything in the open will be incinerated. Same as #3. Odds are increasing with the oil and methane leak. This has been going on for years and years, millions of years, and has had no ill effects on Earth otherwise human, animal and plant life wouldn't be thriving like it is now. I cannot find any science sites talking about this. There are proposals to extract and utilise methane to prevent greenhouse emmissions though, which has to be a good thing. The ONLY 'INFO' I FOUND CAME FROM THE HISTORY CHANNEL. This has NO basis in common scientific fact, just one quack 'scientist's claims. DISCOUNTED straight away.italic text
6. Tsunami off the Gulf Coast. Odds are increasing with the seafloor around the pipe leaking oil. What does happen whenthe oil empties and a big cavernous space no longer has any support? See Sumatra tsunami for historical example of the seafloor collapsing. Highly unlikely, very unlikely, even if it happened it would not be a globalised event. It would badly devistate the gulf area yes, but it would not be a global event. It may cause further oil issues in the area, but again, it is VERY VERY UNLIKELY to happen in mine or your lifetime.
I very much doubt that the person you're replying to is going to be reading this after a gap of two years.
Does anyone remember WWII? I don't, because I am way too young, but my Grandad, who is now sadly passed on, faught in WWII. He told me stories of bunkers, air raid shelters and underground bases. It is NOTHING NEW. Governments all over the world build bunkers and underground millitary bases, which is perfectly normal. Our government for example (UK) chooses to keep some of our most valuable artifacts underground in secret bases & bunkers to protect them from theft and fire damage.
During the cold war people were doing the same, every government had it's own hide outs, mostly under ground, we even have an underground cold war CITY here in the UK! This wasn't because anything bad was going to happen, it's just how things worked, they feared nuclear war, so they built bunkers.
There is always a tiny threat of a nuclear or chemical attack, it is the world we live in, so our governments are equally as prepared to protect people like the president if there was an attack threat aimed at them. Most (if not all) government underground bases are millitary, used for various purposes from storage to defence. You don't want your enemy scouting out your base on land do you, if you're underground you are safer and much better hidden.
Area 51 for example is a US millitary aircraft test center, where aircraft such as unmanned bomber drones and the B2 steath are developed and worked on in secret, so the enemy can't gather intelegence about them.
Did you really just bring topics from Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura to the table? A show on network cable purely meant to entertain. You need to do better.
People are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of them - Epictetus
Is it just a coincidence that predictions for hurricanes this year, are higher than ones recorded in previous year? I want to believe as much as the next person that doomsday isn't upon us but its hard to ignore the some of the stuff that "experts" are providing.
Loumez;
Sorry for the delayed reply. The number, and severity, of hurricanes per year is highly variable. Two of the top six occurred in 2005. http://www.hurricane.com/hurricane-records.php
You can also find some good graphics of historical information on hurricanes here: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastprofile.shtml
Forecasts for hurricane seasons are based on sea conditions, specifically the temperature of surface water in some areas. This has nothing to do with 2012.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
With the solar system traversing through an interstellar dust cloud, the sun's energy increases and cosmic
rays increase. The result is Earth's ozone layer is shredded by the increasing cosmic rays. The result
is a global ice age. Articles including a paper from NASA's astrobiology division have theorized that mass
extinctions in the past may have been caused by the solar system's traversal through dense dust clouds.
http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/1469/snowball-earth-scenario
Interesting timing. The solar system is currently moving through an interstellar dust cloud and may be moving
through a denser portion soon.
The solar system is currently moving through an interstellar dust cloud and may be moving
through a denser portion soon.
What makes you think that? Do you have a refererence to a relevant scientific study?
I read that article, it doesnt say we are travelling through it right now… it is just about a theory about a possible periodic extinction cycles.
in fact, nasa says it is not due to happen for another 20-26 million years. and that is "soon" in astronomy years..
Question
According to the research paper in the International Journal of Astrobiology 7 (1) : 17–26 (2008), “The galactic cycle of extinction” by MichaelGillman and Hilary Erenler, "Global extinction and geological events have previously been linked with galactic events such as spiral arm crossings and galactic plane oscillation." In this paper they predict that the next major extinction will happen 20-26 million years into the future. Can you comment on the speculation that global extinction and geological events have previously been linked with galactic events such as spiral arm crossings and galactic plane oscillation? Why have you been writing that galactic alignments have nothing to do with extinction cycles?
The key to any suggestions that crossing of the galactic plane are linked to m
ass extinctions is to propose a mechanism. This issue first came up a couple of decades ago when it appeared that mass extinctions were quasi-periodic and that they might mostly be caused by comet or asteroid impacts. The hypothesis was that during the million years or so of the galactic plane crossing, gravitational perturbations by denser clouds of gas and dust might dislodge comets from the Oort cloud and cause one or more "comet showers" in the inner solar system. Today most researchers no longer support either of these assumptions, that mass extinctions are periodic or that most are caused by impacts. I don't think I have ever commented on this hypothesis in the past. What I have said, of course, is that the idea that our solar system is near the galactic plane today, or that it will cross the plane at some discrete time like 2012, or that mysterious (and non-existent) forces associated with the galactic plane could harm us, are wrong. This is a wild fantasy associated with 2012 doomsday hoax, and it has nothing to do with the science questions that interest you (and me).
David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
May 5, 2010
I hate it when people jump on things without any facts whatsoever. The report given was an example of what can happen when earth goes through a dust cloud. Surprise. We are in a dust cloud… by estimates since 2003.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/dust_storm_030814.html
Facts that were noticed that might be due to the dust cloud traversal:
1. Increase in cosmic radiation
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17882-space-radiation-hits-record-high.html
2. Rise in temperature of planets (not just earth) - anti-global warming theory
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/jupiter-cloud-belt-disappears-100513.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/jupiter_spots_040421.html
3. Ozone hole increasing
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/124676.php
http://www.wunderground.com/education/holefaq.asp
Meanwhile, I should stand back and say everything is just fine… because science says so.
And this dust cloud must pose a real threat to us, and therefore they state in the article that //"The solar system is always plowing through interstellar material. The Sun's giant magnetic field thwarts much of the dust from entering the solar system. But the magnetic field weakens periodically, on a cycle that lasts roughly 22-years. The cycle is related to an 11-year cycle of sunspot activity.
This is the first of the related dust storms that has been seriously monitored by a spacecraft.
Some day, the influx could get worse. The solar system is plowing toward the fringes of a galactic cloud known as the G-cloud.
"The time of the entry into the G-cloud is unknown, but is expected to occur any time in the next 10,000 years," Landgraf said. "There will be a constant increase [in dust rates], because the G-cloud is more dense than the local interstellar cloud that is now surrounding our Sun."//
Sounds scary, right?
By the way, planetary heating… Isn't that one of Hoaglands ideas? Anyway, why do you suggest that any of the above will pose an imidiate danger to our existence?
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Does this relate to 2012? Does this happen over night?! Scary
No, this does not relate to 2012 and no this does not happen over night. I sense that once again have my sarcastic undertone gone by unnoticed=) The thing I was hinting at is that truthseeker seems to be trying to link this to 2012(?) and I was purely pointing out that the same article he linked to states that this isn't anything at all to be worried about, since it happens all the time (us passing through dust clouds, that is)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
I just find it coincidental that several things are happening at once:
1. Interstellar dust cloud density increases
2. Solar activity decreasing (extended solar min and minimal solar max)
3. Earth's magnetic field decreasing
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Effect: Cosmic rays increase. Ozone hole increases. Smack… global cooling (in spite of said global warming), ie. NASA report linking interstellar dust cloud traversals and global freezing.
And how about going back to the very same citation once again? "Some day, the influx could get worse. The solar system is plowing toward the fringes of a galactic cloud known as the G-cloud.
The time of the entry into the G-cloud is unknown, but is expected to occur any time in the next 10,000 years, Landgraf said. There will be a constant increase [in dust rates], because the G-cloud is more dense than the local interstellar cloud that is now surrounding our Sun"
Does that sound like we're in for a new ice age now (i.e. 2012 or so)? I don't doubt that the effects you describe are plausible, but I do doubt that they can cause a new "Maunder minimum" within just a couple of years. I think that all the effects you describe might very well be fluctuations within the expected rate of decreasing (when talking about the magnetosphere). As a matter of fact, to my understanding the sun is now becomming more active and thus does a new Maunder minimum appear even less likelly. Or does any evidence exist claiming otherwise?
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
You cannot have it both ways. :)
Either solar activity is increasing up to the point that these coincidental events will herald an unusually high chance of
geomagnetic storms that can cause blackouts and power outages
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/solar-1377526-pancella-scientists.html
Or… solar activity will be dimmed. In which case, cosmic rays increase (dust cloud interaction) with a possible effects on the ozone hole. This will lead to higher solar radiation and possible problems including global warming, more severe storms, and extremes in temperature.
You cannot have it both ways. :)
But you can? First you were talking about an more or less imminent maunder minimum due to less solar activity, and now you've done an u-turn and talks about global warming due to increased radiation. So, which is it? Are we going to freeze to death or fry to death?
Either solar activity is increasing up to the point that these coincidental events will herald an unusually high chance of geomagnetic storms that can cause blackouts and power outages
Just like solar maximum 23 which caused global power outages and chaos… Or did it?
Or… solar activity will be dimmed. In which case, cosmic rays increase (dust cloud interaction) with a possible effects on the ozone hole. This will lead to higher solar radiation and possible problems including global warming, more severe storms, and extremes in temperature.
Wait, I'm a little confused here. Is the "dimmed" solar activity supposed to cause global warming and a new ice age at the same time? Isn't that a little contradictory?
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
I find it odd that you find things 'coincidental' when you haven't bothered to provide the evidence that these things are happening, or (in the case of the earth's magnetic field) are in any way related to the other things.
You are drawing connections where none exist.
When I pulled up this thread, my dog started to howl. Coincidence? Maybe… maybe my dog can sense the future… maybe he is psychically linked to me… or maybe it was the fire truck going by.
While this may be amusing, it does little to illuminate whatever point you are trying to make… or did you have a point? Perhaps you are one of those people who likes to imply things without actually stating them?
You have not shown that any of the factors you list are correlated. You have also not shown that your listed 'effects' follow from your proposed causes.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Oil spill in the Gulf coast. Falls under Man made disasters. Latest theory is that the oil spill is not just confined to a pipe that broke, but the underlying sea floor has given way; This is hinted why the oil leak cap was stopped suddenly because of injection of drilling mud produced unexpected results. The effect of this spill include destroying of the oceanic ecosystem throughout the entire world due to oceanic currents (collapse of food supply), collapse of seafloor leading to a tsunami in gulf region (See Sumatra tsunami for historic reference), possible deep sea volcano, release of untold amounts of methane (leading to methane fountains and global firestorm, or the very least, runaway global warming as methane is more of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide), and others? Suggestions to stop leak before any of the above happens include thermonuclear device detonation!
Perhaps it would be wise to support claims of this type with some evidence that they are even possible (and now I´m talking about the more far-fetched ones)? And no, ATS does not count as a credible source.
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Just what does that mean. Only information from "official sources" is acceptable? The same sources that are restricting information? Hmmm…
Seafloor is leaking oil:
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/77/549/BP_Official_Admits_to_Damage_BENEATH_THE_SEA_FLOOR.html
Oil leak is not the only thing:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/06/what-the-spill-will-kill.html
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/79/185/BP_Death_Clouds_Already_Onshore_Benzene-3400ppb_Hyrdrogen_Sulfide-1200ppb_TOXIC_AIR_ALERT.html
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100610210419zzzz.nb/topstory.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-27431-World-News-Examiner~y2010m6d15-BP-oil-spill-rate-raised-yet-again-now-up-to-60000-barrels-per-day
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/06/oil-soaked-birds-freeze-in-water-bake-on-land.php
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=deepwater-spill-survey-contaminated-2010-06-15
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=26021
The nuclear option discussed:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/818757--nuking-leaking-oil-well-not-an-option-white-house
Just what does that mean. Only information from "official sources" is acceptable? The same sources that are restricting information? Hmmm…
No, that means that peer-review papers are a lot more credible than ATS. Any given day of the week…
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
I used to believe all of this hype a while back when the 2008 proton machine was invited, and how everybody said it was going to create a "blackhole". I don't see a blackhole! Also, my dad said that in 2000, their was a lot of hype about computers failing and technology taking over the world. I'm using my computer just fine! There have been numerous predictions of "The of the world", but I'm still alive! When are these lies going to die down??
The "proton machine" was CERN. Yeah, there's been quite a bit of that here, from people asking simple questions to morons making doomsday claims.
The Y2K bug was real, but IT professionals addressed the problem over the preceding years and made sure it wasn't a big deal.
The lies will probably never stop. Every time a claim fails, doomsayers just latch onto another date and start over. You might be interested in "A Brief History of the Apocalypse."
I find it interesting that people cite the Mayans as the reason 2012 is not the endgame, but what about Christianity who cite that the Jewish faith have regained their homeland ( within 1 generation, the end times will occur). What about the these signficant events. Any of which that ARE taking place will mean the end of American life as we know it:
1. Honeybee collapse (I'll be lazy and use Wiki, as you like it):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder
2. Food shortage for 2010-2011:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7978954/Global-food-shortage-fears-as-Russia-extends-wheat-ban.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/98112/20110106/food-price-commodities.htm
3. Massive die-offs due to pollution, climate change, or diseases:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/page?id=12565986
4. World war (and rumours of it)
With triggers in North Korea, Iran, Israel, Turkey
5. Currency devaluations:
US dollar and the Euro
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-01/dollar-gains-most-against-the-euro-since-2005-yen-is-strongest-performer.html
Ireland
Greece
Spain
Portugal
6. Bankruptcies of the federal and state governments in the USA
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-12-29/business/ct-biz-1229-gail-municipal-bonds-20101229_1_municipal-bonds-term-default-state-general-obligation-bonds
http://seekingalpha.com/article/243507-municipal-bonds-apocalypse-now-or-buying-opportunity
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10967138/1/should-us-raise-its-debt-ceiling-or-default.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN
7. Leading into the solar max:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bdf9ddce1297325e1b97e06696026e73.111&show_article=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1337399/Nasa-predicts-brightest-northern-lights-display-50-years.html#ixzz17jadIPip
Endgame.
I'll deal only with "7. Leading into the solar max". If you'll read our article on solar flares, you'll see that the articles you cite are a mix of sensationalism and outdated or erroneous sources.
"I was glad to be able to answer him promptly and with confidence. Without hesitation, I told him I didn't know." Mark Twain
…but what about Christianity who cite that the Jewish faith have regained their homeland ( within 1 generation, the end times will occur).
With some exceptions, Christians aren't predicting a 2012 doomsday. Ergo, this site has nothing to do with Christianity's expected rapture, second coming, tribulation, Armageddon or what have you.
1. Honeybee collapse (I'll be lazy and use Wiki, as you like it):
A number of problems with bee populations actually stem from a lack of genetic diversity, due to the manner in which most bees and kept and transported about year-round. Beekeepers and biologists have been working to sort the problem out. Discover magazine wrote at length about this problem several months ago.
2. Food shortage for 2010-2011:
There have always been food shortages all over the world, and there always will be.
3. Massive die-offs due to pollution, climate change, or diseases:
There have always been "massive die-offs" in wildlife populations, such that they occur several times per day on a global basis, on average. You've fallen victim to media-induced hysteria.
4. World war (and rumours of it)
We've already had two in the last century. A third is probably inevitable, but I doubt it is imminent. Wars in general, on some level, happen more or less every year.
5. Currency devaluations:
This is what fiat currencies do. Always have, always will.
6. Bankruptcies of the federal and state governments in the USA
Not unusual and not unexpected, especially when governments take on the nanny role we see today.
7. Leading into the solar max:
A combination of media hysteria and old information. The current forecast states that the upcoming maximum "will be below average in intensity, with a maximum sunspot number of 90." It is predicted for the spring of 2013. You are aware that solar maximum happens regularly, every 11 years on average, yes?
Endgame.
Even if everything in your list is accepted at face value (which would be foolish), your conclusion does not follow.
1. Honeybee collapse
You are trying to put science facts in the 2012 hoax, when you can't. A Honeybee collapse is a real problem, but nobody know how and when this will happen, and if this happen. The bees are very important, but I think that for several years, nothing will happen.
2. Food shortage for 2010-2011
Some country will have a food shortage in 2010-2011. Like every year some had, and like every year some will have.
3. Massive die-offs due to pollution, climate change, or diseases
You just invented this, due to recent media game.
4. World war
We are not in the middle age anymore. Today, the world is more civilizated. Well, at least the big part of the countries are. Let see the possible reasons:
-Water - we are civilizated enough to stop the high water consume. And have wisdom enough to know that the end of the water isn't easy.
-Food - why we can't control it? Why we can't just invent other kind of food?
-Weather - I will not bet it.
5. Currency devaluations
We can save it…
6. Bankruptcies of the federal and state governments in the USA
We can save it too.
7. Leading into the solar max
You are poor informated.
This list is so ridiculous that I won' even start to begin with.
Except for 7 is all human caused and is basically caused by politics.
And solar max happens every 11 years.
To show how ridiculous these claims are I add a few more:
- My car refused to start so that is proof that 2012 will happen.
- I have the flue right now so that is proof that 2012 will happen.
- My grandmother died so that is proof that 2012 will happen.
- I got a zero tax refund back so that means that 2012 will happen.
but what about Christianity who cite that the Jewish faith have regained their homeland (within 1 generation, the end times will occur).
Errmmm 1 generation???..
- Lets use their book. According to the Bible a generation is 40 years… (which goes with the numerology the bible uses throughout and the number 40)
- So already had 1 generation has past, and end times should have happened around 1988…? heck the 2nd will end in 2028 ???
- Modern Scholars usually say about 30 years so according to that theory we are entering the third generation
FAIL
I see stupid people…
According to the Bible a generation is 40 years…
That would mean that these believers do not have kids on average before the age of 40.
2000 years ago you were lucky to live till 40… ;-)
I see stupid people…
Oh, why must the Bible be brought into these discussions? I feel that I need to defend it when it does, but perhaps I need to just let it ride. I would only like to state that the Bible does not speak of the end of the physical world. Eschatos (greek) does not imply "end of the world". It simply means "end, or last". It could mean the end of a feast, a year, or even a religious ceremony.
People are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of them - Epictetus
The book of revelations is a fraud anyway… but I'll leave it at that… :-)
I see stupid people…
Why aren't you rich? If the list is ridiculous, you should be:
1. Shorting honey and food crops. Even though prices are skyrocketing.
2. Shorting food crops. Even though prices are skyrocketing. I guess even mainstream media doesn't even count as a source anymore. I guess you aren't even concerned with the domestic dry food shortages and dropping of domestic reserve stores and worldwide riots occurring now due to food shortages. First, reduction of food exports and then shortages at home. See Russia, China, and India governments for their buying spree on food.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLwsCykqIY
3. Shorting seafood and buying fishing boats in the Gulf. Certainly you believe scientists that say the ecosystem in the Gulf has not collapsed. In fact, it is prospering. Never mind the canaries in the coal mine. Also, never mind about Corexit and oil toxicity. Certainly, it can't get into the domestic water supply. Never mind the health problems in the Gulf region. It's all in their minds.
4. Investing in the Iranian stock market and shorting oil and gas stocks. Hey, if Iran war starts, we can still count on cheap gas even though Persian gulf is controlled by the Strait of Hormuz. Hey, it isn't the Middle Ages. We don't have to worry about international affairs. I guess that OPEC embargo back in 1970s was nothing special.
5. Buying US dollars if you have any foreign currency holdings. Go ahead and plan that trip to Europe. I hear you'll be getting a good exchange rate on the Euro.
6. Purchasing US treasuries and state municipal bonds. I think California's interest rate is 6.5%! Much better than the low 0.5% at banks currently. Never mind the downgrading of US debt by Moody.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/moodys-sandp-may-downgrade-u-s-debt-rating/19800413/
Let me know when you prosper from this doom talk.
Dear ironically-named "Truthseeker," seeing how I've already addressed every last one of your so-called points, I see no reason to do much other than repeat myself.
Even if everything in your list is accepted at face value (which would be foolish), your conclusion does not follow.
You do know what "does not follow" means, don't you? Seems like your original rant collapsed under its own weight, so you felt the need to rant some more in hopes that everyone would forget.
This is confusing. I thought you were talking doom and we were not.
I just wanted to add that the "Truthseeker" isnt seeking the truth, hes seeking the truth to what he believes whats to happen. I can go anywhere on the internet these days and post something a make it true some how or another but truth IS he has repeated himself for u over and over and has had much patients with your questions. If you want the truth as I did, get off the internet go talk to a REAL person who is fli=uent with what you want to know, this will help you more that going from site to site trying to put things together tho do your own "Truthseeking" . Stop deluding and poluting with s=hype and go outside in this our beautiful world and ask a scolar, ask someone that is in the feild you have questions about. Trust me on this when I say, Its easier, more reliable and you will get better facts than internet BS that is being posted. Not to say I would argue with some of the sourses but facts are fact and twissting them to suit your argument isnt what this is about. In fact, this and 2012 hoax, if u ,you, yourself believe it to be true, build your bunker or whatever and get prepared, asking questions on here is wasting your time isnt it? If you want valadation for it just for the sake of saying ok, wrong site. I see however you know of several that do support it so ask them why they do and throw all these things at them and have them prove it wrong. I have spent the last hour or so looking at nothing but the same arguement with you getting the same answers and not accepting it.
Ask, a REAL person to sit down with you that knows and is fluent with this and I am sure you will get what you want if truth is really what you want.