Harsh Criticism of the Hopi Prophey
Merkaba (guest) 19 Apr 2010 02:18
I find the criticism of the Hopi vision to be not only be harsh but obnoxious and offensive to all
Native American people!
Hopi / Discussion
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Merkaba (guest) 19 Apr 2010 02:18
That's interesting…
The "Frank Waters" version of the prophecy, which is the most widely circulated among the "new age" set, is "harshly criticized" by the Hopi themselves! It is decried as "full of errors".
The "Thomas Banacyca" version is most likely a misattribution, according to input I've received from people at New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans, a Native American website dedicated to exposing the rip-offs of Native American culture by the white "New Age" set.
In particular read this thread.
According to some, the version linked above does not sound at all like Banacyca. It reads more like the "Rainbow Family's" interpretation of the Hopi Prophecy, indiscriminately mixing in everything they could find, including Banacyca. Banacyca was Hopi, and one of the few people allowed by the Hopi to speak on their behalf to the world. Waters and Brown, not so much.
The "WelcomeHome.org" site is an unofficial site for the "Rainbow Family", which is itself a New Age rip-off of various Native American cultures
Perhaps you should go ask the Hopi. However, they seem to be very reluctant to talk about their beliefs to outsiders. As far as I can tell, the "Prophecy Rock" has nothing to do with any actual Hopi prophecy. Of course getting referenced citations into an oral history can be difficult, but I have seen nothing from any reputable source that actually links the so-called "Hopi Prophecy" with the Hopi themselves.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Thank you brother for your Comments. I am Cherokee and Seneca
my family has been in the Dawes role since 1878. Here is what i know in contridiction to this website: 1. The Cherokee Clock restarts on Winter Solstice 2012. The is nothing or very little on this on the internet for we do not repeat all our Oral Traditions to outsiders. 2. I personally know Grandfather and he did speak of "The Great Burning" and the 5th age of Man. 3. How this will happen when this will happen or why is unknown. What the results will be shrug. 3. The Lakota (The People) have a simular Oral Tradition.
So before anyone speaks for us they should ask. Should you run out and Panic? NO! What will happen will happen the idea the earth will chage overnight or on a date i find very hard to accept.
Will there be changes? Yes over time everything Changes. Can people mitigate damage and work together to fix any damage? I believe so.
Great to see a native american here. :-)
The Cherokee believe that we are in the 4th age. Correct? Ok. We are not saying that Cherokee don't believe in a 4th age, 5th age, but that they never mention an apocalypse. That's all.
Anyway, I may not discuss those beliefs with you.
Yeah, the people relating the Native Americans to this has bothered me somewhat. I am part Cherokee and when I heard people relating them to it all it renewed my worry a bit.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
I would just like to add that by "the people" trying to relate various Native American's to 2012, I mean all the white new-agers. They seem to be the ones trying to do it, not actual natives. The Cherokee just like the Hopi, the Maya etc. didn't use our calendar so to say they believe in something happening in 2012 is in and of itself questionable to begin with. It seems like those of us, especially the white folks of today try to find various stories from cultures and look at them through a Christian, westernized view. Humanity seems to pessimistic in that a lot of folks seem to live their life finding something that says the world is going to end, like they want it to. The people on the website that Astro linked and was talking about is informative, and from the perspective of Native Americans.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
So explain to me then why the prophecies came true with the blue star kachina and comet holmes in 2007? LOL this site is so lame.
So explain to me then why the prophecies came true with the blue star kachina and comet holmes in 2007?
Would you care to identify these "prophecies" and somehow provide evidence that they were referring to those events or were "prophecies" at all?
LOL this site is so lame.
Care to be specific about what is "lame?"
Why not crawl back to ATS then? Atleast there you can gain a few followers of your stupid ideas.
By the way, do you remember this little gem: "If it is headed this way then 153 light years is nothing. But I highly doubt it would be devastating. But it would be a cool picture to take seeing it the sky like Hale-Bopp was"?=)
And that is just one out of an infinite amount of stupid things you've managed to produce over there. I would dare to say that you are… Well, lame isn't the word I'm looking for but it will have to do for now
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Ah yes, well…
Please explain why the following objects were also hailed as the fulfillment of the 'blue star kachina':
Comet NEAT (2003)1
Sirius2
A "hypervelocity star", HE 0437-54393
etc., etc., etc. Those are just the first three I found.
I'm a bit confused. Who should we believe? Them, or you?
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
The Blue Star has nothing to do with the "Blue Moon" prophecies.
The Moon will Turn Blue that is what has been written and said.
Not a Star, comet, meteor or anything else. To satisfy the Oral Tradition the Moon must turn Blue by some means.
belivel the people who have put a ton of thier time into reasearching it
The blue has technically turned blue a few times in recorded history. Although it hasn't literally /turned/ blue, it has been visibly blue due to dust particles and other such things in the atmosphere.
Oh look we aren't dead yet.
Moving on.
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