Warning: Long post ahead.
Alright I didn't express myself properly before because I didn't know that I will get a reaction.
No, you're simply incapable of expressing yourself "properly" because your claims are at best fanciful, at worst incoherent. I say this not to be rude, but because it is true. Your consecutive Wonder Walls o' Text clarify approximately nothing.
Well you said that you don't believe religious views.
Nobody here said that, at least not in this thread. Tomy did inform you that we're inclined toward facts, reason and evidence 'round these parts.
But I don't believe scientific views…
By simply posting your message, you apparently believed the technology would function as designed to have it appear on this server in readable format, accessible to all.
…so I will post some of my religious opinions.
Whatever.
The 2012-13 is an optimistic and a positive phenomenon.
It's not a phenomenon. It's a fabrication. Okay, I guess the fabrication can be considered a "phenomenon" of sorts.
So one shouldn't fear.First of all 2012-13 is not suppose to be a doomsday.
No kidding.
The current Mayans are tired about the fact that their prophecies are regarded as doomsday theories.
More accurately, they're tired of people attributing prophecies to their ancestors that were dreamed up by 20th Century cranks.
As the Bible says-"The uprights will reside and the blameless will be left behind"So its not a doomsday,Its an end of an age-The Iron Age as the Greek scriptures say or Kali Yuga as the Hindu Scriptures say.
If you can provide some positive evidence linking the two, aside from just asserting it, that'd be great.
All the scriptures(From Jewish to Islam)say that the world(the age)will end and they also give a scenario of the end times which matches the world's current scenario
This has been true only since, oh, the emergence of those religions. Every generation of Judeo-Christian doomsayers for some 2,000 years has considered itself to be in the so-called "end times." One thing they all have in common is that they were completely wrong. Nothing new here. Moving on….
and thats the reason why everyone is predicting that the end is near
Unsurprisingly, the pertinent religious texts have nothing whatsoever to say about 2011, 2012 or 2013. Doomsday predictions require much imagination and after-the-fact shoehorning.
The Mayans predicted this end of an age to be on 21 December 2012.
They did no such thing. They built upon a calendar that functioned as a day-counter from a fixed starting point, and one of their many segments of time (the baktun) happens to perhaps conclude on or around the Gregorian date of December 12, 2012. This remains a matter of some uncertainty. In any case, that ain't a prediction. It's the inevitable result of counting.
It may not be on 21 December 2012 but it will be around that time.
It? So many woo artists are so convinced that this "it" is coming, but nobody can define it. Funny, that.
You may be knowing that Mayans predicted a pole shift to happen at the end time.
Of course, you can't be bothered to show us where, because we both know they did no such thing.
THEY ALSO PREDICTED THAT THIS END WILL BE MARKED BY 75 HOURS OF PROLONGED DARKNESS.
See above. And stop SHOUTING.
Now I will show you a text from the Hindu Scripture that predicts THE SAME THING.
Oh, goody.
"O Nârada! Thus, when the Kali will have its full play, the whole world will be filled with Mlechchas, the trees will be one hand high and the men will be of the size of a thumb. Then the most powerful Bhagavân Nârâyana(SIMILAR TO CHRIST'S SECOND COMING) will incarnate in His part in the house of a Brâhmin named Visnujas'â as his son.
What? So any god-man is now a reference to Jesus Christ? Do you have any idea how many god-men are referred to in religious texts?
Mounted on a long horse, holding a long sword He will make the world free of the Mlechchas in THREE NIGHTS(SAW THAT,THE EXACT SAME THING). Then he will disappear from the face of the Earth and She will be without any sovereign and be filled with robbers. There will be incessant rain, for six nights and it will rain and rain and the whole earth will be deluged; no traces of men, houses, and trees. After this the Twelve Suns will rise simultaneously and by their rays the whole water will be dried up and the earth will become level. Thus the dreadful Kali will pass away when the Satya Yuga(THE GOLDEN AGE)will come back, Tapasyâ and the true religion and Sattva Guna will prevail again. The Brâhmins will practise Tapasyâ, they will be devoted to Dharma and the Vedas. The women will be chaste and religious in every house. Again the wise and intelligent Ksattriyas devoted to the Brâhmanas will occupy the royal thrones and their might, devotion to Dharma and love for good deeds will increase. The Vais'yas will again go on with their trades and their devotion to their trade and the Brâhmins will be reestablished. The S'ûdras, too, will be again virtuous, and serve the Brâhmins. Again the Brâhmins, Ksattriyas, and Vais'yas and their families will have Bhakti towards the Devî, be initiated in Devî Mantras and all will meditate on the Devî."
www.sacred texts.com/hin/db/bk09ch08.htm
From Brittanica Online:
The date of its composition is unknown; scholars have dated it as early as the 6th century ce and as late as the 14th century. It was, in all probability, composed in Bengal, possibly over a period of time, by members of the local sect whose devotion centered on Devī.
So even if we ignore your utterly baseless assertions regarding the text of one single-author translation from the 1920s, the original Devi Bhagavatam was still probably written between the 6th and 14th Centuries, hundreds of years to a millennium after the earliest known New Testament Bibles were in circulation. Point being, even if we assume your quoted text can be correlated with Judeo-Christian mythology (and you've presented no evidence to this effect, but merely asserted it) the Hindu author(s) could have easily known about Christian writings and almost certainly did. Why are you acting like this is something significant and magical?
Now looking at the similarities between the Hindu Scriptures and what Mayans said
You mean those things the Maya never said?
,its obvious that this will happen because it can't be a lie
as it was written 1000 years by two entirely different personalities before anyone knew that the world(the Iron Age) will end.
You mean by entirely different personalities, the latter of which probably had access to the former's complete body of work? You mean your utterly baseless assertion that "world" = "Iron Age," and that this is somehow important?
You are aware, are you not, that "Iron Age" was not a single period in world history, but a relative label applied to specific regions, with time periods differing sometimes by hundreds to thousands of years? You are also aware, are you not, that these periods did not simply "end," but were merely subject to gradual and inevitable movement toward other technological bases?
In the Greek mythology context, the "Iron Age" is a standard literary construct depicting all the common vices and undesirable conditions of human existence as viewed by the authors. As with the archaeological context, the mythological "Iron Age" defines no specific times, but general periods that gradually turn into something else. I also emphasize the qualifier "mythological." Hindu and Meso-American time tables don't match the Greek. For instance, the Kali-Yuga lasts over 400,000 years.
You need to practice your grasping:
The text also says that the NARYANA(WHICH MEANS LORD VISHNU)WILL INCARNATE.THIS REFERS TO CHRIST'S SECOND COMING.MANY WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST AS LORD VISHNU IN INDIA.
It doesn't say this. You claim that is says this. There's no reason to believe you. And, as I noted above, it really wouldn't be all that significant if you were somehow correct, seeing how the author(s) of the Devi Bhagavatam probably had full knowledge of and access to the Christian Bible. Yet you continue to insist that there is some magical meaning here.
Why?
Who knows?
Even the Kuran says about this as well as the Jewish scriptures.
Neither the Qur'an nor the Torah offers anything of the sort. Even if they did, the same reasoning given above applies. The Qur'an was authored in the 7th Century CE, in present-day Saudi Arabia, placing it at the earliest fringes of the proposed window for the Devi Bhagavatam.
Now you will say that Science denies the 2012 thing and scientists say that nothing will happen.OH MY!!!WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE THAT SCIENCE IS VERY LIMITED!!!
When are you going to stop being a tool?
I said 2012-13 because it may not happen in 2012 but it definitely will happen by 2013.
Ah, "it" again, eh?
You see Nostradomous predicted the 9/11 attack to happen sometime in 1999-2000 but it actually happened in 2001.
Nostradamus didn't predict anything.
I don't need to define"POSITIVE SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION"as it is written in that Hindu Scripture.
So you can't define it. I'm not surprised.
When I said that"No one knows what will happen in 2012-13"I meant that no one knows how will this Iron Age End.
Sugarfoot, the Iron Ages were thousands of years ago. They're gone. The "Iron Age" is a myth. I'm sorry.
Now we can't know what God has planned for us can we?
Since I have no reason to think there is a god planning anything, I suppose my position is that there's nothing to know. Some of our religious/spiritual members might agree with you on this point, of course, but your insane ranting about 2012/2013 is by no means justified by that.
But still you can get a clue of what's gonna happen if you read the Kuran or that Hindu Scripture which I posted.
Only if your childish annotations are blindly accepted at face value, with absolutely no regard for the relevant history.
2012-13 is a fact.
It's a fact that 2012 and 2013 are upcoming years on the Gregorian calendar. That's about it.
Doesn't the spiritual evidence prove it?
What exactly is "spiritual evidence?" Has kind of an oxymoronic ring to it….
Yes you are sinning against God by making false claims in people's mind that nothing will happen in 2012-13.
And you call yourself astronomers?
I call myself a programmer. Astronomy is an interest, a hobby. It isn't my trade. I guess I'm technically an amateur astronomer, however.
You should realize that Science is NOTHING AND I MEAN NOTHING.
So rants the tool while using his computer.
The world has ended many times before and MOHENJODARO AND HARAPPA CIVILIZATION IS THE PROOF OF IT.
I don't know whether to "LOL" or just post another .
If P, then Q. Observe.
- If the world exists, then the world has not ended.
- The world currently exists.
- Therefore, the world has not ended.
The Harappa and Mohenjo-daro civilizations might indicate many things, but "proof" of your claims is not among them.
OH MY!!!HOW MANY HINTS SHOULD GOD GIVE YOU GUYS UNTIL YOU REALIZE AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH?
How many times do I have to tell you that you're a tool before you either go away or start using your brain?
For what it's worth, the New Testament does rather definitively say that "about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." So … heresy FTW? I suppose I can go along with that on a conceptual level, if nothing else.
So instead of calling it a hoax and making false claims about it
Name one false claim on this website regarding any of the issues or persons listed in the menu to your left.
you should warn and make the people aware of it.
Sorry, we're generally opposed to being mindless tools.
After the Iron age the cycle will repeat-THE GOLDEN AGE-THE SILVER AGE-THE BRONZE AGE-THE IRON AGE.
There is no such cycle, my dear True Believer™. We call it mythology for a reason. Now put all this behind you and move on with your life, with a renewed commitment to reason and critical thinking, lest the unforgiving madness of CAPS LOCK SYNDROME consume you.
Steve (guest) 16 Nov 2009 09:02
