you two sound like the same kind of people who support wars in the name of gods that don't likely exist. you need to look at both sides of the belief, AT THE FACTS, PLEASE…and don't be such a**holes, take your energy and put it to work for the better…what are YOU doing to protect humankind?
The author of this site is obviously young and naive. If I had the time I could go page by page and show that this guy is not even close to intelligent. He shows how juvenile he is by insulting and attacking respected scientists and archeologists. Every one of his claims are hear say, and completly baseless. He is so dense that he even contradicts himself. On the Wormwood page he rants about no one knowing the time of the end, and then in his conclusion he says he KNOWS that it wont be in 2012.
This site is full of sarcasm and cute little quips meant to be cool. If this guy had a brain, he would read the hundreds of books on the subject written by respected scientists and PhD's, instead of just repeating all of the debunk bunk he found on the internet.
He is even more guilty of spreading garbage than he claims the 2012 crowd is. At least they base their claims on correlated facts.
Show us the facts about 2012 beeing a doomsday then.
2012 - The year of the jackpot.
Well, first of all, I'm not young. Second, this site is the result of a collaboration of several authors, so it is not just one person. So, I'm not young and naive, I'm old and cynical.
Please, feel free to point out an error. I respect people who correct my mistakes, especially in something as important as this. Many of the members of this site have gone through the pages and fixed various errors, or pointed out where there were errors in math, or where the page overstated a position based on the available evidence.
The "error" or "contradiction" you point out on the wormwood page is not mine, but rather it is an inherent contradiction made by people who claim that the book of Revelation points to the year 2012. I show that this is contradicted elsewhere in the Bible, specifically in Matthew. It appears that you are not reading the pages closely.
I have read, and read, and read. I have poured over books by various authors, each of which makes claims well beyond the evidence. Geryl, Joseph, Jenkins, McKenna, Sitchin… all of them that I have had time to read so far. None of them makes convincing claims, and all of them make basic errors in various fields. I have also read the various websites promoted by these people, including Lieder, Geryl, Jenkins, and Arguelles.
I hold these people accountable to what they say, and if they say something wrong, I call them on it.
Does being "respected" place someone above criticism? Not in science!
So, let's have it. Who are the "respected scientists and archeologists" I attack and insult?
I loved the part:
So, I'm not young and naive, I'm old and cynical.
Congratulations for the website!
I think anyone can believe what they want, but no one should force you to believe what they believe (that's what freedom is all about). Especially, when they do it using your fears and most of all, to make money. That's just plain wrong.
If some people think that the world is going to end or that there's going to be a spiritual transformation, fine. Everyone else doesn't have to believe it, and surely shouldn't be afraid of it.
How respected are your scientists and experts, really?
What fields are they experts and scientists in?
What research have they done?
Have they proposed how to falsify their hypotheses?
Have they attempted to disprove their own hypotheses?
Also, I work in Technical Support, and every day I have my customers tell me "Well, IT must have changed something because X isn't working now"
Of course IT is making adjustments, adding and removing hardware, software and other services near constantly. However when someone leaps from' because X happened I can't print' _DOES NOT MAKE IT SO_. More often it's something rather ordinary, such as the user changing their password (and not logging out and back in), or having not rebooted their PC for a month that is the cause. Rather ordinary, instead of a devious plot by IT to deny them the ability to print.
In this context (for this rather stretched analogy—I love the way analogy's hum when you extend them this far, you could play a high-G note on them), the 2012 doom sayers are vendors, coming in and selling their wares (soft and hard and middle), doomsaying how the organization's IT is doomed to collapse any moment, and that if we only buy their product, everything will be just peachy (and the vendor will have a nice amount of cash).
Now our IT department may not respect a lone tech saying that we must make a specific change, or that we have something upside down. But usually that person isn't also trying to sell something.
Alfred Wegner. Do you know who he is? If not, he's the geophysicist who proposed continental drift. Everyone opposed his hypothesis - and I mean not one geologist of his day (early 1900's) believed in it. The Earth's surface was static - except for the occasional volcano, earthquake, erosion or landslide. That was the theory that had explained everything at the time. He noted that the shape coastlines of South America and Africa lined up closely, and that rocks found on each coast were very similar. However, he didn't have a mechanism for how the seperation of the land masses could have happened.
There is a classic persecuted scientist. The American Association of Petroleum Geologists organized a symposium to specifically refute Wegner's Hypothesis.
Wegner did not hawk a book, charge for a talk or attempt to profit from his hypothesis. He was thought dead wrong until the evidence was discovered that proved him correct.
Your 2012 scare mongers are not even wrong
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Hi Jeffrey;
Thanks for commenting!
You are right, the history of science is replete with stories about the lone iconoclast, bucking the system. This should serve as a cautionary tale; the consensus is not always right.
However, most of the time our knowledge moves forward in incremental steps, rather than in the leaps of intuition that Wegner's example (or my personal favorite, J. Harlen Bretz) shows. Einstein was brilliant, but he built upon the work of Maxwell and others. He was a giant, but he also stood on the shoulders of giants.
A counter-example also involves Einstein. He was fascinated with the Crustal Displacement theory of Charles Hapgood, and wrote a foreword for Hapgood's book. However, Hapgood's theory did not pan out, and was eclipsed by Plate Tectonics. Hapgood kept working on it until his death, never letting it go, never admitting that PT better explains the evidence.
The image of the iconoclast bucking the system is so powerful, that there is even a name for the tactic of claiming that your pet theory is correct because 'the system' opposes it: "The Galileo Gambit". The old line is: "… the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." - Carl Sagan.
You should probably make that list of respected scientists and archeologists first, before making accusations against those who are involved with this website. Coming here and simply stating they are wrong does nothing to prove your point.
From what I have gathered from your post, you are doing the exact same thing that the proponents and crazy people are doing by making wild claims without any proof.
The fact that there are hundreds of books on the subject, is sad. The fact that you are asking us all to give money to these scam artists is more sad. Unlike most pro-2012 sites, this site will welcome your input. In fact, they expect you to come here and give your input. Although, we all know you will come here without facts. I have done extensive research on this subject, and found that there are some very realistic sites from people who seem to know what they are doing. Then I go to the scientists and the people with real PhD's, and they give educated scientific examples as to why it is wrong.
David Morrison is a good person to lookup. He is extremely well respected, and very intelligent when it comes to astronomy and science. He has a couple PhD's which makes him a great person to listen to.
Hi Cameron!
Yes, Dr. Morrison is a great asset. We've even got a page for him
I would also like to point out that using Wegner's example isn't totally relevant to this scenario. His claims were of a very slow process. So slow that it was very hard to prove correct. Saying that the world is going to end in one day is a completely different claim…a very large claim. Saying the world will end over the course of a week, is hard to imagine. Must have a lot of 100% proven true facts to back it up, not pseudoscience with all disregard to physics or even common sense.
I am no scientist or archeologist. I work in IT as well. I make no claims, I only point out errors in logic.
The 2012 hoax is much easier to prove wrong. Most of the claims just fall apart when you point out simple laws of physics.
But the easiest way to debunk this hoax is when December 21st of 2012 arrives and we will live to see another day. Some people will see it sooner depending on their time zone. (LOL)
When the end of the world comes, let's be sure we're at the right time zone to watch the show. :)
unfortuntely it wont matter what time zone your in as quite a few of these prohets of doom are now being very vague about the date of the "event". hmmmm… something wrong with this picture…. all that aside, i cant wait to see this whatever it is, there are soo many events to look out for, i personally cant wait for the invisible red brown dwarf star planet, that'll be cool to see, i remember watching the nonexistant halley-bop comet pas over that was cool but an enire planet going past is going to be awesome…
If the site is full of sarcasm and cute little quips, you can probably (and fairly) blame my influence on some really dedicated and well-informed writers.
And the word you are looking for is "bupkis" of magic. It is Yiddish for "large beans" and means "absolutely nothing of importance". As magic doesn't exist outside of Hollywood and fiction (guilty of the latter), a "bupkis of magic" pretty much accurately describes the real world. You might want to check out the real world. It's a fun place.
You aren't supporting your arguments as you accuse others of not having valid information. Therefore, even if what you were saying were true, you'd still be a hypocrite.
Your website (http://www.truthofalltruths.org/) is a bit funny. You have a page called "Debunkers". In this page, you "Debunk the debunkers" and debunk 2012hoax.org, because you know that the Apocalypse may happen in 2019 and in 2022 the Annunaki comes to Earth (wasted time).
And you also know that the Bible talks about UFOs? Who told you that? Your site has no reference.
And your "enemy", 2012hoax, has references (trustable references). But that is ok. While you talk about imaginary UFO and "debunk debunkers", we talk about the reality.
Hi Tomy;
Thanks for commenting! I picked up on that bit, but thanks for clarifying.
Yes, many of the sites by people who promote the 2012 doomsday hoax are unintentionally amusing (when you know the facts). But, the humor fades quickly when you hear about kids committing (or attempting) suicide over this nonsense.
I hold the proponents of the 2012 doomsday hoax collectively responsible for those deaths. So if, from time to time, you pick up on a thread of anger in my posts, it is real.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Yes, of course, websites like www.truthofalltruths.org (freethinker1's page) are clearly hoaxes, but we may debunk it, because people who believe in everything they read, will easily believe those claims.
2012 believers claims that 2012hoax website doesn't have trustable references, like when freethinker1 says:
"If this guy had a brain, he would read the hundreds of books on the subject written by respected scientists and PhD's, instead of just repeating all of the debunk bunk he found on the internet."
He claims that your posts does not has trustable references (look who is talking). He should feel responsible for those depressed people, but he still thinks the world will end and scare people… for fun.
Woah there buddy. I could give you your own advice back wrapped up nicely in some sparkly christmas wrapping paper..
You yourself could "look at the facts." the real ones..you can find them here in this website, Wikipedia, even the lovely folks on yahoo answers give out some good ones. You too could look at both sides of the "belief" (if I may even call it such, as I don't think half the proponents actually believe it.)
"take your energy and put it to work for the better"…yeah. Cause you're certainly showing us a good example of that lmao! What are YOU doing to protect humankind? At least this website calms people down and stops them from drinking special kool aid. I'm sure it's protected a lot of people.
And I still want to know who these "respected" scientists you speak of are. Surely you cant mean Jenkins and crazy ol' nancy lieder, queen of the aliens.
I suppose we won't be finding out anytime soon. Apparently OP has dressed up in his superman costume and trotted off to save "humankind."
A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth can get its boots on.
You are replying to a post that is 2 years old, vwgreen.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Yeah I realized that when I zoomed in. Dates and titles are small on my phone so I usually don't see them until I zoom in. I guess I look like an ass. Oh well lol
A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth can get its boots on.
I dont know why people are freaking out try to prove that their going to die in 2012. If your wrong you look stupid and if your right well then enjoy your 5 seconds of self satisfaction. To all the doomsayers out there I just want to say you can attack me with your giant words that make up for smaller things…: ) and you can try and tell me that im wrong and hate on me all day long so… Get At Me
This site has given me more laughs than the Stephen Colbert Show, thanks to all of the people in charge of the site for all the information regarding 2012. The site is also comedic gold, when I read the Nancy Lieder page i almost fell out of my chair laughing! Congratulations to the owners of the site for an amazing success!
I'd also like to congratulate the 2012-ers who give me the hardest laughs, I especially love it when they start talking about the middle-east and Egypt as some kind of extra-terrestrial world (since I'm Egyptian) e.g.
"2 - The egyptians knew about nibiru (proven documents)"
"8 - You have NO KNOWLEDGE on the egyptian hall of records. NONE. That proves alot about this planet."
"Science is catching up to what the Egyptian priests were told about."
Comedic gold, keep it up! If you'd like help email me and I'll be happy to lend a hand in the site, also I recommend making a page on the 'merlin predictions' in the history channel documentary.
Hi Khalid;
You're welcome! Sometimes the best way to 'debunk' these people is to simply gather all of their arguments together in one spot. Membership in this site is open to anyone who is interested. We'd be particularly interested in your input on some of the claims made about Egypt, pyramids, etc.
To join the site, click on the 'About' tab at the top of the page, and pull down to 'How to Join this site' option. You have to create a free wikidot account first, then come back to that page a second time and fill out the request form. This is basically only a formality: the only reason why I do this is that we had some page vandalism (spam) when we first started the site, so I had to make it a two-stage process.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Well I joined, I'm going to do a bit of research for a while and come up with some articles (if you'll allow me to post them on the site), I want to get two main articles done; Egyptian related catastrophes and Webbot. Is that ok, or is someone already working on them?
Hi, missed this earlier.
Whatever you'd like to work on first is great with us. Really!
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I mean it positively seems like so much fun! It has been my life-long dream to rant at a website that's trying to help rather than make the situation worse.
Besides, I want to make screen name with a bunch of different letters and numbers in it, call myself "1337 Nur53" and call everyone a "noob" because I'm an egotistical (but uneducated) fool that believes unconfirmed theories over confirmed theories.
…On second thought, I'll just continue having some common sense and congratulate the people behind 2012hoax for creating a page that's actually helpful to those who are in need of answers.
Aww thanks!
Actually, in order to make the 'rants' page, I have to find the rant to be so illiterate or over-the-top to be funny. So, if you want to make it onto the rants page, you'll have to stop splelling sew weel, or else claim that you know 2012 is true because you came back from the future in your maglev perpetual-motion time-machine you built in your garage next year, or something like that.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
But I did make a perpetual-motion time-machine…
It makes a woosh sound when it travels. See…that is logical and mathematical proof that I have a time machine, I can tell you what sound it makes…
/sarcasm off
Shucks, Astro.
I can't even figure out how to use Duct-Tape, let alone build a perpetual-motion time-machine in my garage, not that I even have a garage… I could possibly make a garage out of cardboard, but considering the luck that I've been having recently, it may blow away in a storm.
Now, let's see if I can tone down my spelling a tad..
2012 r teh end of wurld cuz dat purson ovur dar sed dat it wud hahpen.
Am I doin' it right?
Yeah, that's better. You can use the duct-tape to build the garage out of cardboard, and then with a couple of hub-caps, a broken broom handle, and an aluminum foil hat you're on your way to building the perpetual motion time machine!
Keep working on the spelling though. It's got to be a lot worse. It also helps if you accuse the members of the site of being on the NASA/CIA payroll.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
*dramatic gasp*
The site is on NASA and CIA's payroll?! You must be RICH!
Notice what I just did?
I also had an aluminum foil hat when I was a kid, to be quite honest, I still don't know why I had it, but I'm pretty sure it was because at the age of Six, I was conspiring against the world in an evil plot to bring forth my minion planet that will swoop by the Earth and steal everyone's diamonds and gold! Muahaha!
Wait…
Shucks. :( I messed up the spelling again.
yeh u gota lern 2 speel lik a tru beliver n dont yous ani punk2ashun or kaptalazashun yer mixt up on the tinfoyl hat that pruteks u aginst aleen brane waivs
Pretty good for a first rant though.
Why hello there, Alene.
How terrifying is it that I read (and understood) everything that you typed without re-reading it?
I must say, that's pretty terrifying and I'm the one who did it.
Then again I'm quite used to people who tawk laike dis aww da tyms cuz dey didt no wut da skuulz wuz 4.
Hi Undead,
It's nice to have you with us. I learned how to write like the ranters through two years of reading almost illiterate Q&A on Yahoo Answers. This was my first time actually doing it. It is a bit sobering to realize that I can read it with (almost) no difficulty. I did have to go over "skuulz" a couple of times before I realized what it meant. That was quite good.
Pleasure to be here, although it's even more of a pleasure to have a few laughs while being here. Being here and laughing. Laughing and being here. Awesome combination's.
It's actually more awesome than that episode of Family Guy where they Stewie beats the hell out of Brian and talks all gangster.
To further (and more properly) introduce myself, I'm Nursey (I have the uniform…….. it's from Halloween….) however my real name (fo reel) is Bella.
I'm a little bit of an Anime nut, I've also been half-assed researching the "2012 bug", I'm very sarcastic and I can (sometimes) be quite rude to people who are, dense, I suppose that's a more polite term.
I also enjoy music, long walks on the beach, poetry and poking dead things with sticks. Especially if they're flubbery (yes flubbery).
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
Flubbery, that's a good word. My little bichihuahua (I made that up. She is bichon frise and chihuahua.)puppy's name is Bella. No offense, she is a very cute puppy. I sometimes use some mild sarcasm in my answers. If the asker is obnoxious or an obvious troll. I try to be nice to the scared kids.
Walks on the beach are nice, but I can't say I would enjoy poking dead flubbery things.
bichihuahua! Love it!
One of our dogs is a mutt that we think is pug + beagle. My kids can't decide if he's a puggle or a bug.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
D'awwwwwww. I love little Chihuahua's, they look like little rats with satellite ears and a funny little bark that makes their bodies jump.
No offense taken!
I once had a dog (she died last year from old age *pout*) she was part pekingese and part chihuahua and she had this bark that sounded more like a squeak. Funny little thing. :(
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
Clicked the wrong responder on the last one, but oh well, I'm sure that you two can figure it out.
Perhaps call the dog a Peagle. Makes sense to me. Kind of. Not really.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
Astro, I think yours woud have to be a peagle or a buggle. They already have puggles (pug + poodle). Bella doesn't look at all like a chihuahua. Most people ask if she is a maltese. She is the size of a small chihuahua, but all white and long haired. Her hair isn't curly enough and doesn't have enough body to do the bichon grooming.
I used to have a hairless chihuahua named squeakie. My little nephew thought she was a miniature reindeer when he saw her. I even did her and my fuzzy mutt up like Santa and Rudolph, using a false front sleigh (maybe I should say false side because that's all there was). And no, I didn't staple the antlers on. I used the picture for my Christmas cards that year. It was really cute.
I don't ever write anything here but I read this every once in awhile…and i read about your dog even though that was written a couple months ago…but I have a buggle :D, his name is Bubba. Bahahaha.
I find duct-tape to be a good choice.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
That was what Bill Murray told them to do in Scrooged. Maybe I'll try duct tape next time. It's silver colored so it would be more Christmasy than super glue.
And let's not forget that you can stick little lights to the duct-tape and even put little bells on it.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
Yes, that would be very decorative. Actually, I did glue bells to her little red harness. It's too bad my scanner doesn't have the right kind of connection to use with this computer, so I can't scan the picture.
Shucks. That just sucks. Rhymeage.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
it duz systa it duz
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
i gess i shud uv sed 2 tru it due.
u shud uv yeh
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
The fact that the owner/or-who-ever-is has taken the time to respond to the comments posted agasint site shows that you guys are very open-minded for disscusion which really shows whos really right here. 2012 is one of greatests hoaxs I've seen so far, I mean if you go to like T.V/Religion/media and other resources they all provide this biased and inaccurate nonsense of any kind. In fact the funny thing is that while I was typing this message while history channel at 9:34 PM May 7, 2010 has this nonsensical and misleading specualtion of common Eschatology program currently running speaking about the so called "ANNUKAI" and anceint civilzations & etc. I guess even some of the respectable educational places of media can even derive the idea of cash and profit. Currently this 2012 nonsense is all a "myth," as much like other spirtual-baised claims. However, even though I think 2012 is a hoax I wish more people can spread the word about this website because it really helped me. This site reallly helped me although I have no money to donate you all here at 2012hoax.org have my deepest thanks! =)
Whoops…. I failed; misnumbered the date. Its MAY 8, 2010 not May 7, 2010 when I made this comment…/facepalm
Hi Nicholas;
Thank you for the kind words! A lot of people have put a lot of effort into this site for exactly the reaction that you just gave us.
We don't need donations… the fees associated with the site have been paid for by the founding members, and we don't try to sell anything, or ask for money, as a point of principle. If we did, you can be certain that the hoaxers would jump all over it and call us hypocrites.
So, we don't have a book for sale (although if you are looking for good information we can suggest a couple that you might be able to find at your library), and we don't sell videos, or anything like that.
The only thing that we ask for is that you spread the word about the site to any of your friends who are worried about 2012.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
R U KIDDING ME !! Spreading the word about this site would be like spreading H1N1 or some other disease. The rude, immature,comments thoughout this site speak to the kind of people involved.The educated guessers change the subject, or forget what they were talking about and the others reply by name calling or quoting the bible.GOOD FOR LAUGH not much else.Dont waste your time or energy.:(
Psst! Hey, Pandora…
Look down there VVVV at bikenbeer2000's comment about how the 'contributions of the pro-2012 brigade are best left so that everyone can see the lack of logic in their arguments or the way they lash out wildly at anyone who opposes them.'
Dang, I think we've got a prophet on our hands! He predicted you a month in advance!
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Hi Nicholas
You make a good point that everyone is allowed to express their opinions here. In fact, the contributions of the pro-2012 brigade are best left so that everyone can see the lack of logic in their arguments or the way thay lash out wildly at anyone who opposes them.
There is another website promoting the 2012 nonsense where anyone infiltrating their discussion forums with commonsense and telling them nothing will happen will get their account banned. Just yesterday, I was looking at a YouTube video of 'Nibiru' taken from one of the STEREO satellites. Someone commented that the object was in fact Venus and received a tirade of abuse from the poster of the video. These people are effectively running around with their hands over their ears shouting "I don't want to hear it" when anyone tries to tell them they're wrong.
The system in operation on this site is "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" and they rarely disappoint.
Hi Nicholas,
Thanks for your kind (and insightful) comments. We don't ask for or take donations. We just want to get the truth about the big hoax to as many people as possible. By the way, the Hysteria Channel is no longer the credible source it once was. They have changed to sensationalistic nonsense programming to attract more viewers. Unfortunately, it seems to be working.
As you mentioned, we don't ban people for disagreeing with us or ranting at us. Sometimes it's tempting when they make a real nuisance of themseves, but we don't want to be like the doomsayers putting their fingers in their ears and going "Lalalalalala" to keep any dissenting opinions out.
I used to do that when my brother and I would have an argument, of course we were much younger at the time… OK, I lie, I still do it.
Doomsayers are kind of like the emo-kid that threatens to commit suicide, but never does, sure they might self-mutilate (cut), but usually, most of them just cry wolf for attention.
The emo-kid-doomsayers are no different.
Tralalalala.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
I think you and your website are apart of a HUGE cover-up…and I think with all the pertinent info you have ,you MUST be Governmentally connected. To little to late !! Your site is VERY SUSPICIOUS and has way to much information for just being a regular site.I guess we will all find out the truth eventually,so deflect from the truth,WHY NOT!!!! ,YOU and your kind (POLITICIANS & GOVERNMENT) have been deceiving the public for centuries. I am quite sure there will be other ways, that this issue will try to be pushed aside, while other catastrophes are being thought up, to deflect people from knowing the REAL truth. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF !!!!! At least give humankind time to prepare, as well as those of you in the high ranks, have been doing.How do you save 6 1/2 billion people…You Dont!!! Instead contaminate their food ,water , air, and maybe even inject them with viruses.Mother nature can also help out a bit by spreading toxins from that catastrophic oil spill and destroying millions if not billions of marine animals,plants, shorelines and the livelihood of thousands of people.We still havent been told WHAT or WHO caused the explosion!! Is 2012 just a hoax ????? I have more faith in the MAYANS,NOSTRADAMUS,HOPI, and MILLIONS of others than in the governments of this planet.I hope all of those whom are using this website to DEBUNK the real truth, are being paid well, and will be able to live with themselves when they realize they chose the side of the VILLAINS.(Whoever your working for has brainwashed you and is trying to do the same thing to the rest of us.) THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
Hi, Pandora! Glad you stopped by to read some of the website. Of course, now that you have read some of it, the hidden optical virus the government planted on the pages you read will slowly eat away your resistance until you become just another science-believing sheeple like the rest of them! Muah ha ha ha!
I agree that it IS very suspicious that Bill found so much information on 2012. From the looks of this site, he and others must have put in countless hours of research, writing and web design. We can either run away in terror or congratulate them on their hard work.
It's nice that you have faith in the Mayans, as they say that 2012 is just going to be another year and that at no time did they predict the end of the world.
I cannot imagine why you would have faith in Nostradamus. Not only doesn't anything he wrote make sense, but Notre Dame has a pretty crappy football team, too.
Keep on studying and remember… THE TRUTH IS DOWN HERE!
Flee! Run Away! Aieeeeee!
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Pandora — by taking that name, you disgrace a perfectly good movie, video game and mythological character.
I started to respond to you line by line as bikenbeer2000 did over in another forum, but I can't muster the willpower. If someone actually takes you seriously later, maybe I will worry about your hysteria then.
Go back to school… maybe you will realize the name has nothing to do with a James Cameron movie. DUH Also I am quite sure the reason you "cant muster up the willpower" is because you dont know anything about the subject and are to uneducated to respond…DUH
DUH Also I am quite sure the reason you "cant muster up the willpower" is because you dont know anything about the subject and are to uneducated to respond…DUH
"…to uneducated to respond…"
Oh, the irony.
DUH DUH DUHDUHDUH DUH — sounds like that Coke Zero commercial.
dude u are paranoid. do u reallythink that this site is hooked up to the goverment in any way? this siteis just prooving a scientific explanation of why 2012 cant happen. although i was paranoid about 2012 as much as u were i think you should clearly read the site. it is true what the bible says about the second coming but does it say when specifically in the bible when he will come, no it doesnt. i am a christian as well and i dont believe 2012 is real and this site is created by SCIENTISTS NOT goverment people. read the comment 2 spaces below and read about ten more of them by astrogeek about how this site is NOT created by he government and it is created by scientists who believe that 2012 is honestly just a ploy used by hollywood to make big bucks. also the reason this site is so suspicious to u is because theses people have spent a ton of thier time reasearching this topic and helping people to calm down and reassure them that 2012 is fake an is created by hollywood to make money
I suggest that anyone that is pro 2012 not waste their time on this site !!!!.Most of the feedback is uneducated & antagonistic.They are mostly RUDE CHILDISH comments and quotes from the BIBLE. DO NOT give this website the traffic they are relying on to stay on the net.Let them occupy themselves with their inaccurate plagerized comments.Most comments are questionable as to whether the responder is over 12 years old, although there have been a few big words thrown around.Possibly to impress those who are fencesitters and mistakenly think their questions will be answered intelligently on this web site. NOT!!They want proof these things exist…..but cant prove they dont.Chances are they are willing to believe there is a GOD (no proof) and that the Bible was transcribe as being the word of GOD ( no proof)…..and are probably still telling all those 3rd Graders that there is a Santa Clause & an Easter bunny ( no proof),or heres a good one,that the world is round!!!!!They insist that the HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL,DAVID SUZIKI,and thousands of other scientists, physicist,Nobel Prize winners, NASA, are all making this up,that we are all fearmongers.SOOO……Who is DELUSIONAL this entire site and all those on it.See you in Heaven, OOPS (no proof) more than likely in Hell, OOPS (no proof).THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE …..NOT here..you wont find much if any :(
Now do not implicate David Suziki in the 2012 bull shit please he is a very respected scientists and i doubt very much he would support your rant you peice of work. Sorry i only believe in God the bible well i dont think tell the truth as there are 100s of different and who do we have to believe huh you right your the only one here that had the real bible anyways go see your angermanagement specialist you need it.
Didnt understand any of your garble…doesnt matter..dont care what you have to say.BYE
Seems like you care Pandora. Anyway, Bye.
padorra stop ranting and get on with your end-of-the-world antics and stop contradicting everyone elses opions . its there opions and not yours okay. i highly reccomend everyone who believes stuff(2012) to visit this site and read every last page down to the letter and dont listen to anything this wackjob says
NASA does not promote a doomsday in 2012 or ever. In fact, here is a response from Dr. Morrison at NASA:
Only nonscientific websites, many associated with conspiracy theory advocates and commercial firms that are trying to sell you something, are promoting “end of the world 2012”. No governments, no professional groups of scientists, no universities, no news organizations, no academies of science, no one with any credibility, are suggesting that anything bad will happen in 2012. Even after all the Internet publicity, the majority of scientists I know are not aware of this fear of the end of the world. If you are interested in the truth, go to Wikipedia and the NASA Astrobiology website and the Hoax2012 website. Ignore the crazies who keep promoting this absurd doomsday story.
David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
May 25, 2010
So there ya go, no one with any credibility is saying anything will happen in 2012. Just people who need something to believe in, and don't care who they run over in order to believe it. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear the truth, but here, the truth is what you get. Deal with it.
You wouldnt know the truth if it hit you in the head…WOW one DRs opinion( a senior even)..WHEW I am so impressed. Does he have a book that he is trying to sell also…..by the way NASA has pics of a new planet they have discovered, and supports that solar flares on the sun are larger than ever before. So there ya go.You deal with the truth….better yet just continue denying it, it helps us out. THANKS
Could you please provide a source for your claims? And yes, a new planet has most certainly been discovered. But, let me guess… They gave it name that doesn't start with N? Am I right?
and for Gods sake, they've been monitoring the sun since the space age begun. There will most certainly be increases and decreases in solar activity. But last time I checked solar activity, if you don't refer to the conveyor belt, has been lower than usual (resulting in an less inflated heliosphere)
But you already know all this don't you?
You dont care but you seem to come back. You dont understand anyones because your on the 2012 drugs and you cant read but your own bull shit. Bye bye now Oh i dont care about you too sorry i had to say it. Oh ya deal with the truth Pandora you are full of it.
Yes, Dr. Morrison has written books. None of which are about 2012, all of which are about astrobiology. He does not promote his books in any of his answers to the public on the site.
Richard is right, they have been monitoring the sun's activity everyday for quite a few years. It is no different then it was 4 billion years ago, other than the fact that it is very very slowly increasing in luminosity. This is no threat to mankind yet, and won't be for probably another 2 billion years or so. [http://www.solen.info/solar/] is where they actively monitor the sun. You can look through the data if you wish, but I have a feeling you wont.
Are you suggesting that the planets that are discovered outside our solar system are a threat to Earth? Lightyears away? If a planet were going to be a threat in 2012 then it would be in our solar system by now, and highly visible. The fact that they can discovery new planets that are lightyears away should tell you that if Nibiru or Planet X were real, we wouldn't have any trouble seeing it.
By the way, as you can see I am a guest here. What I just stated is backed up by years of data. Data that has existed before you were born. You came into these forums with a bomb strapped to your chest…and as with your claims, it failed to go off.
[http://abhota.info] <— Your ancestors
pandorra u suck and this is a nasa scientists opinoin . he is way more important than u will ever hope to be . nasa studies science and most of science is true exepct the theory of evoulution.
If this wasn't a 2012 board, I'd have something to say about that…
Hi Cameron;
Hoax2012 website? I think he means us! Yahoo!
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
i totally believe you abot how nasa has absloulutely nothing to do with this and all the paranoid people who are convinced that the moon landing was a hoax ( despite overwhelming evidence) and that there really was an alien landing is roswell in 1947 to go back to their house and think up another end of the world date
Hi again, Pandora! Thanks for sticking around; sorry that you don't like the site much, but do some reading, it grows on you. As to your claims, while all the responses I saw basically said, quite truthfully, that you are totally wrong, I thought it would be good to go point by point.
For example, you claim that we "want proof these things exist…..but cant prove they dont". This is a problem, you see, because we DON'T HAVE TO prove they don't exist. If you can't provide any evidence, we can simply take our ball and go home. If you want proof that the Earth is round, we have that. Take a look at the Earth's shadow during a Lunar Eclipse.
…"the HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL,DAVID SUZIKI,and thousands of other scientists, physicist,Nobel Prize winners, NASA, are all making this up,that we are all fearmongers." I do not believe that David Suzuki ever claimed that the world would end in 2012. Please provide a reference. Nor have I ever heard of ANY scientist, let alone "thousands" ever make that claim, let alone Nobel Prize winners. NASA has repeatedly assured the public that all the claims of 2012 are bunk, so I don't believe this one, either.
"Who is DELUSIONAL"? That would be you… at least, the evidence points that way and we always follow the evidence.
The end product of 2012 doomsday = Pandora
They insist that the HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL,DAVID SUZIKI,and thousands of other scientists, physicist,Nobel Prize winners, NASA, are all making this up
I was fascinated by this claim, in particular the reference to David Suzuki. Now, if a well known person like Suzuki should make a statement about 2012 specifically, I would think that it would be readily available. I have searched, and I do find some references to Suzuki on pro-2012 sites, but nothing where he actually says anything about 2012. They all appear to be references to ecology, saving energy, reducing emissions, etc.
It would appear that Suzuki's environmental stance has been hijacked by the 2012ers and is being misused in order to make it appear that Suzuki supports their ideas.
Now I'll ask you directly: Do you have any quote from David Suzuki where he says specifically that the year 2012 will bring some kind of apocalyptic event? I'm insisting on a specific reference, because Suzuki has spoken at length about environmental issues, and the dangers of unrestricted carbon emissions, etc., but those are general statements, and not specific to the year 2012.
This is a test, by the way. Put up or shut up. Either support your claims or be exposed as a liar and a fraud.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Yah! Show him who's the bauss astroboy!
I meant boss and Astrogeek (sorry it's that old cartoon that keeps popping up in my mind whenever I see your name)
Hey, I *liked* Astroboy! It's all right, I knew what you meant.
It appears that I may have an answer to my 'throw-down' challenge:
This appeared on twitter within a few minutes of my post above.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Hahahaha…. He's a teenager
I'm going to be copying and pasting Pandora's posts and submitting them to Encyclopedia Dramatica's 2012 Page. They are just too good to not preserve. I'm clinically depressed and Pandora's violent emotional collapse is even making me laugh. The ED Community needs this.
And he's a she….wow just trying to stir up the stew it seems….must be bored at home….
And you on the other hand amuse us all=)
Is this you?
Well that was strange vid. Now i am convince that 2012 is the end now what am i going to do hahaha not realy just joking but some must of put this kid to do his durty work.
the comments are not plagerized and if u didnt read above i am a christian and am NOT 2012 pro because i believe u are paranoid and crazy and this whole thing (2012) is a scam created by the media. it is not the sites fault that u are gullible but read the actual site and not the comments and maybe mr paranoid (you) will change your mind and become normal. do u see how many people are mature and arent 2012 pro arent total idoits like u say we are pandorra bye
by the way the book of relavations does NOT state WHEN it will happen. like i said before i believe in the bible but intepret that specific book d
different than you pandorra and if you look at the comments not a lot of people believe you are not paraniod and crazy take stuff way to literally
dude this site explais why doomsday wont happen in 2012. it does not mean it will never happen but it will happen much late than2012 at least another 20 years. you probably have the worst rep in the history of this site and i bid you goodbye
To Pandora,
"Quote: I suggest that anyone that is pro 2012 not waste their time on this site !!!"
Why would anyone be 'pro 2012'? That's just sick.
Honestly, people may believe it, but why be 'pro' it?
It's not going to happen, and if you truly believed it, you wouldn't of wasted your time coming to this site in the first place.
1. i am, thirteen two how dare you insult my relgion there are many christians who don't believe in 2012 three they do not imply scientists are stupid or wrong they just never made the comment or the the phsyics were impossibly off . four nancy lieder can't even be classified as a scients considering she ignored basic laws of science ."that the world isn't round" said pandorra impied in his comment . what school did you go to the world is round . it has been proven by scientists (some of whom are actually christian pandorra)
the words two and three are in there so don't get confused
i bet this site also doesn't realize how this world seems to be getting worse as 2012 comes closer to its date. But your right it isn't December 21, 2012 and it is October 28, 2011. Damn they still haven't fixed the american economy and they still haven't fixed that leak in the gulf of mexico. A lot of experts are now stating if things continue this country will be headed towards a depression yet again. By the way tell stereologist I said hi. =)
Oh by the way, Hopi prophecies are 100% correct so far comet holmes was the prediction of the blue star kachina. oh noes the prophecy was discovered by modern man in the early 1900's! You also note that civilizations don't last forever now!
i bet this site also doesn't realize how this world seems to be getting worse as 2012 comes closer to its date.
How exactly is the world "getting worse," in your opinion? Worse relative to what?
But your right it isn't December 21, 2012 and it is October 28, 2011.
Like we haven't heard that one before.
Damn they still haven't fixed the american economy and they still haven't fixed that leak in the gulf of mexico.
Nobody can "fix" an economy, as Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek demonstrated with their "calculation problem." All throughout history, economies have thrived and struggled, risen and fallen. The current slump isn't even the worst of the last century.
The gulf leak situation is much better than it was a couple of months ago. What do you think it has to do with 2012/2011?
A lot of experts are now stating if things continue this country will be headed towards a depression yet again.
See above.
Oh by the way, Hopi prophecies are 100% correct so far comet holmes was the prediction of the blue star kachina.
Repeating yourself is not an argument.
oh noes the prophecy was discovered by modern man in the early 1900's!
Maybe you should read the Hopi page again, if you read it at all. Can you point out the person who made these discoveries? Why have the "prophecies" been embellished over time (since the 1950s)? Where are the originals? Why, as Astrogeek notes in the Hopi thread, have multiple contradictory fulfillments of the same "prophecy" been claimed?
You also note that civilizations don't last forever now!
Nothing does, except perhaps energy.
So you are a follower of Calleman's timeline then?
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
So wait what exactly does this Calleman guy predict for Oct 28th 2011.
An ascension into "cosmic consciousness".
Whatever that is supposed to mean.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Maybe it means "Maybe you lemmings will be more aware of hoaxes. Idiots!"
Hopi prophecies are 100% correct so far comet holmes was the prediction of the blue star kachina
I thought Comet Holmes was green?
Uh, Calleman predicts absolutely nothing, actually. All he claims is that is the true end date of the Mayan Calendar and that's about it. He claims the 2012 stuff is bogus. If, at absolute best, he does seem to believe, somewhat, in a spiritual ascension… thing.
Calleman's so undecided about what he supports. But he for sure doens't support the Doomsday crap. Especially not the grossly overblown and twisted Hopi stuff. For shits sake they've said countless times the common 'Hopi Prophecies' we see are a twisted version of their own. And their prophecies aren't about some crazy mystical doomsday. It's about man kind creating their OWN doomsday through warfare.
Read.
The.
Official.
Crap.
You.
Twit.
The Hopi are worried about a World War III scenario. Not whatever the crap people spew about the Mayans.
Jeeze. Why do people spit on the names of these ancient/old civilizations/people?
FSS even the twisted prophecies mention the WWIII crap. That is ALL the Hopi Prophecies try to 'warn' us about. For us NOT to start WWIII, and everything will be okay.
And we already know no one, not even North Korea, wants another World War.
So Calleman's claims aren't even of a doomsday but more of a spiritual awakening well that honestly doesn't sound all that bad compared to the 2012 claims but i'm sure someone disagrees with me.
Honestly he doesn't really say much of anything. He's just convinced, with his own (NOTE: HIS OWN) math that the Mayan Calendar ends on that date, and not in 2012. That's all he really claims.
He has personal beliefs of a possible spiritual awakening or some crap of that line, but it's so minor you may as well gloss it over. He DOES seem to totally shove off the 2012 Doomsday crap as nonsense. SEEMS.
I think all Calleman wants to do is just go "Hay guyz it's 2011 not 2012 you dumbz" and that's it. I don't think he has the guts to say anything else that'll get him massively quoted as a doofus when nothing happens.
I mean, he's already spitting in the eyes of every other Mayan Researcher with his own personal information that only he comes up with. Kind of want to avoid ticking people off.
Hey, don't yell at TickTock, or he might go all sardonic on you.
Seriously, Ticktock is one of the founding members of the site.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Green, blue, who cares, it was a color, and that's close enough for our friend here.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Me? I definitely wasn't. I only yell at woo-woos and people who keep digging themselves a new hole every time we pull them out.
people who keep digging themselves a new hole every time we pull them out.
sounds rather dirty. WTF does
sardonic
mean? Am I going to have to buy a dictionary? You "asstronomers" and your big words.
Straying a little from the subject, here, but Ticktock's name reminds me of the old cartoon with the mouse and the big Grandfather clock. Good times, good times.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
dont call themthat the sad reality is the probably know almost everthing andyou now nothing so yes go buy a dictioary and stop callling them asstromers because i will report u for saying that and i find this comment rather insulting
Nah…
TickTock is one of the founding members of this site. He's just poking a bit of fun at me.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
first these scientists devoted thousands of hours to disprove 2012.next i will explain what is wrong with your rant. planet x is not real these people know a LOT more about it than you read my comment on that.next, egyptians had no acess to a telescope so therefore the object may have been anything and at that time we did not know very much about astrology so we didnt know how things actually move in the galaxy 2500 years ago. secondly nasa is a government space to launch rockets and satellites not to hide supposed "hidden secrets about 2012" lastly this is most dissapointing that you would think nasa is full of shit. anyway what does a supposed hall of the egyptians have to do with anything