i am concern once AGAIN about 2012!
Noemi (guest) 17 Nov 2009 09:05
so is all that true?
i am concern once AGAIN about 2012!
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so i came across this page who claims to be a consultant and who also has done extend research on 2012 and who also says he provides prove that government and NASA are in fact hiding the truth about the events happening on 2012 here is the link....
http://www.2012unlocked.com/?hop=00100100
Noemi (guest) 17 Nov 2009 09:05
Hello, Noemi.
Everything this guy has said simply gives me deja vu of every other conspiracy theorist out there who claims to one day prove that the government is hiding crucial knowledge about our existence and/or survival.
Let's say for just a moment that it's true. Tackling the government and proving himself right would take much more time than just three years, on the time-scale that it would take to prove that a world superpower is hiding such things from the public, we would most likely already be dead anyway. So the question is, how is he to prove anything if we're all going to die in 2012?
In a nutshell, he cries wolf, just like every other conspiracy theorist. "They're hiding the truth, they're preparing to leave us behind, they're hiding sasquatch!"
I'm going to be blunt for just a moment—
If the government, one of the world's richest and most powerful force, was hiding something of this scale and somebody threatened to expose their secret, that particular person would go the way of Jimmy Hoffa, and we all know what that means.
So.. Again, dear— This person is yet another conspiracy theorist who simply likes to stir things up.
If I (like many others) for a split second believed that 2012 was the end, I would be trying to find a way to save myself and my family rather than writing about it.
PoshNinja is correct. This guy is just another to add to the long list of conspiracy theorists who want you to believe that the government is covering something up, but he will tell you "the truth". Most of the things he is claiming are false and all you need to do is check them against the list of claimed events on the 2012hoax website. Worse still, he is trying to make money out of people's fears by selling them a worthless "survival kit". He's asking "not $850, not $79 but all for a tiny investment of just $47".
These snake-oil salesmen have always been around and probably always will. 2012 just happens to be the subject of their latest scam.
No, it's not.
That site is nearly identical to another site which we covered. Compare that site to http://2012officialcountdown.com
It is yet another 'clickbank' site, and somewhere there is an ad on clickbank on how you can make money by hawking this piece of trash. This is at least the third site I've seen like this, and they are all nearly identical. I will bet that the contents of the book are also nearly identical.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Hello Noemi,
It's definitely not true. It's an advertisement for James Paul Wagner's book "2012 Unlocked". He only gives enough information to catch a viewer's attention and tries to lore viewers into buying "2012 Unlocked". Seems to me that he could fit into the prophets of doom section of the 2012hoax website.
I do find it a bit of a paradox that he is attempting to get money for his supposed truths, and he points out financial collapse planning in his attempt to sell the book to viewers.
Hi Noemi,
I'm sorry I didn't get back to you, but I have come down with either a bad cold or the flu, so I've only been doing a bare minimum until I'm better. It appears that several of the others have answered your question very well though.
Don't be worried, if you are worried write it here and we will tell you why it's nothing to care about. :)
/Simon
2012 - The year of the jackpot.
THANKS YOU ALL ONCE AGAIN, N SORRY ABOUT UR COLD ALENE HOPE U GET BETTER SOON = I BUT YEAH THE FACT THAT HE HAD THROWN IN THE GOVERNMENT DID WORRY ME SINCE I BEEN TOLD BY A FEW PEOPLE AND AN A PREVIOUS TEACHER FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT GOVERNMENT DOES TEND TO HIDE THINGS FROM US, SO IM IN A WAY I HAVE COME TO MISTRUST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN A WAY FOR ALL THIS, SO WHEN I READ HOW THE GOVERNMENT JUST DON'T WANT US TO NOW THE TRUTH MADE ME THINK A LOT. BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SOON RESPONSES, I'VE NOTICED YOU GUYS TRULY DESIRE TO HELP THOSE IN FEAR OF THIS HOAX.
sorry i have another question, but ummm, if all this is a hoax and is causing society to panic, why hasn't the government and NASA try to contradicts these theories?, aren't they aware of how people are being affected by this movie? and as i learned on my political science class, we do have the right to express our beliefs or whatsoever, however, if this harms society it is right for the government to intervene and warned those causing all this dilemma on the people to put a stop or so, so why haven't they done anything?
David Morrison, a NASA scientist has been contradicting these theories for years. Look under our links page under NASA.
The interesting thing is that now that NASA has come out so strongly against this idea, the 2012ers are using that as an argument: "See, NASA is hiding something, otherwise they wouldn't come out and say this!", so it's a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Hi Noemi,
Take another look at the videos I posted links to. One of them is David Morrison at NASA and one is Donald Yeomans of NASA/JPL. They both state clearly that none of it is true. Also, if the world is supposed to end in 3 years, why is the government working so hard for healthcare reform? That would be of little concern if we were all going to die.
Hello Neomi,
The 2012hoax website link section has three NASA links in it
http://www.astrosociety.org/2012/ab2009-32.pdf
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers
Also, there's several articles on 2012 at the NASA website http://search.nasa.gov/search/search.jsp?nasaInclude=2012
Hey Noemi i am going to suggest the site you told us about to david morrison and ask him to check it out ok?
No don't bother David with this crap, he have over 3 messages a day about 2012, it's not true ok?
Those people are just idiots!! Don't belive these crazy websites it's all rubbish and when you truly belive that you can laugh at all those websites :)
/Simon
2012 - The year of the jackpot.
THANK YOU ALL!
The only thing that is true on that article is, that infact the year 2012 is coming. It is 2 years 1 month
away. Thats it. 2010 is coming too, as for 2011, and 2013.
I found something cool on the Bad Astronomy Blog, it's from informationisbeautiful.net. It lays out the believers vs. skeptics points of view and refutes the believers' arguments pretty well.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/2012-the-end-of-the-world/
hey simon i thought about going to david about it but i thought the same thing you said im not gonna bother him with this crap
cool blog
Ummm any one of you read the book yet? I know the possibility is rather high that the guy is full of it. But don't you think its just as close minded not to read the information in its entirety before making a judgement? Not saying hes right, just pointing out that objective decisions cannot be made with any conviction if you make them with no knowledge.
The book consists of rambling and flawed facts, if that's what you want to call them.
As well as theories that we have already heard.
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
So you did read it?
For all the skeptics out there…heres a thought provoker for you…
Sooo, earth formed and coalesced into our blue planet billions of years ago ya? Bearing that in mind, as the earth cooled and formed, shouldn't the formation be uniform? So why do we have tectonic plates moving on top of a semi liquid mantle? Why the deep fissures and scars that ravage the planet? Why the lack of billions of years of sedimentations within those scars? Which would indicate that the collection of sediments are fairly recent in geological times. Look into lignite deposits from all over the world and why do they find anomalous findings in these deposits when compared to what they "should" be expected to contain vs what they "do" contain. Any rigorous researchers out there? Let us know what you find out. I wanna know if I'm the only one asking these things.
Can you tell us what your post has to do with the subject of this web site (i.e., 2012 fear-mongering)?
Surely you're aware of other websites that devote themselves to discussing questions like yours.
I think i also posted asking about James Paul Wagner on here a few weeks back. Look we all know the government covers things up but as David Morrison pointed out in his interview which i'm sure is linked on here The Governement wouldn't be able to cover up Nibiru because if it was supposed to come in 2012 we would have seen it by now. As for citing the Economy collapse umm why is that a sign of the end. Also every religion major or minor has predicted things on this day.
The Bible does not predict the end of the world on Dec 21st 2012 or any other day because we don't know when it is.
The Mayan Calendar does not fortell an End of the World prophecy in it for any time in 2012 so he's 0-2
The I Chang theory was started by Terrance Meckenna who i'm sure expirimented with Druga while he was trying to figure out the I Chang.
And no other religion has any major events in 2021 at any time.
Not to mention i believe James Paul Wagner's book is a free book which should tell you something right there.
You're expecting something to be uniform within a universe that's completely random?
Gravity and physics are the order within chaos.
Earth's cooling was anything, but uniform. Considering of course that plenty of scientists are welcoming the fact that there was actually water during the time that our planet was a giant ball of lava.
The plates formed randomly, rather than nice and tidy.
But as Jim Smith asked. How is this even relative and what is the point of even asking the question? Does it really matter?
Wie Sie säen, so sollst du ernten.
For all the skeptics out there…heres a thought provoker for you…
Color me skeptical.
Sooo, earth formed and coalesced into our blue planet billions of years ago ya?
Not exactly. It coalesced from an accretion disk well in advance of becoming the pale blue dot we know and love. Billions of years, yes.
Bearing that in mind, as the earth cooled and formed
The earth formed before it cooled, necessarily.
shouldn't the formation be uniform?
What aspect of the formation, and why? The molten earth itself was likely not "uniform," though your use of that term is ambiguous at best.
So why do we have tectonic plates moving on top of a semi liquid mantle?
Why should we not?
Why the deep fissures and scars that ravage the planet?
Like what? Different features have their own explanations.
Why the lack of billions of years of sedimentations within those scars?
What "scars?" Do you have a peer-reviewed or at least scientifically reputable source for this information?
Which would indicate that the collection of sediments are fairly recent in geological times.
You still haven't even explained what you're talking about.
Look into lignite deposits from all over the world and why do they find anomalous findings in these deposits when compared to what they "should" be expected to contain vs what they "do" contain.
Who are "they," and what do "they" find versus what "they" expect to find?
What does any of this have to do with 2012? What is your point?
Your main point appears to be that the earth should be uniform, or homogenous.
The counter-question I have is "why?". Why would you expect that? There are nearly countless examples of natural processes that result in differentiation. A simple example is this: how many floating rocks do you see? When placed in water, most rocks sink. Some forms of lightweight rocks (i.e., pumice) will float, but by in large they sink. So we have a natural differentiation based on buoyancy. The examples of this can be seen in any stream bed. Heavier objects fall out of the water stream first, forming the base of the stream. Lighter object fall out of the water stream when the water is quiet, forming the sands, and the lightest objects can be suspended for the greatest distances, forming the silts.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
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