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Unknowns

Marvin (guest) 13 Apr 2010 14:11

Please make sure your audience knows that there is no way to predict these pole reversals, so it is impossible for someone to say that it won't happen. Pole reversals are completely random in nature at the time because no one can solve the Geodynamo problem. As soon as that happens, maybe someone could find a pattern. Until then, leave Pole reversals alone.

Re: Unknowns

Astrogeek 13 Apr 2010 14:38

We can't predict when one will happen… but we can say that they don't happen in short time frames, and we can also say that there are certain prerequisite conditions (such as the overall field strength) that are not met currently.

In short, I can't point to a calendar and say "pole shift occurs here". I can say "there is no chance of a magnetic pole shift in the near future".

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Re: Unknowns

Dina A Morton 11 Dec 2012 02:46

I thought it takes thousands of years for that to happend?

Re: Unknowns

bikenbeer2000 11 Dec 2012 04:11

I thought it takes thousands of years for that to happend?

Correct.

Re: Unknowns

bikenbeer2000 13 Apr 2010 16:06

There's no way to predict when it will rain. But if I look all around and see a completely cloud-free sky and someone tells me it will rain in one minute, I will tell them they are wrong. In the same way that clouds are a prerequisite for rain, a low magnetic field strength for the Earth is the prerequisite for a magnetic pole reversal. The field strength will not be sufficiently low for at least several centuries.

theweatherman 12 Sep 2010 02:43

it says it happens over several hundred YEARS not days

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Evidence of second fast north-south pole flip found

Jason (guest) 13 Sep 2010 18:38

http://www.physorg.com/news202971192.html

Re: Evidence of second fast north-south pole flip found

TheGreatJuju 13 Sep 2010 18:45

http://www.physorg.com/news202971192.html

What about it?

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Re: Evidence of second fast north-south pole flip found

Kevin (guest) 14 Sep 2010 05:31

Let's just look at the part most people would be interested to look at:

Even if it was a super-fast flip-flop, however, it would not be noticeable to most people.

Re: Evidence of second fast north-south pole flip found

3WMElliott 14 Sep 2010 14:50

I would have thought most people would be interested with the headline, and then not read anything that comes below it… isn't that what most people do?

JasonL (guest) 13 Sep 2010 18:41

Interesting Read, you're a different Jason lol. Let's not get people confused.

Truthseeker (guest) 08 Jan 2011 02:50

I guess if you look at mainstream news sources only:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/07/5787088-pole-shift-forces-airport-makeover

3WMElliott 08 Jan 2011 03:31

If you looked at mainstream news sources only, you'd be introducing bias into your research. Science is all about removing that bias, establishing the facts, testing the hypothesis, rather than grabbing a nice soundbite for the audience.

TheGreatJuju 08 Jan 2011 09:01

Looks like Truthseeker has returned for a new round of trolling, before crawling back under his rock for a few months.

I guess if you look at mainstream news sources only:

You are aware that the earth's poles move constantly, yes? Often they move significantly, without undergoing anything even resembling a geomagnetic reversal.

The term "pole shift" is used very broadly in that article, and I think even you can recognize that.

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John (guest) 17 Jan 2011 11:10

Pole shift is already underway, they had to renumber a runway in FL because of it.

3WMElliott 17 Jan 2011 12:09

Old news, this post is probably the most succinct post about it on these boards.

John (guest) 17 Jan 2011 11:12

http://www.youtube.com/user/MaKaElectric

TheGreatJuju 17 Jan 2011 15:57

http://www.youtube.com/user/MaKaElectric

I'll borrow a term from Neal Stephenson and just call bulshytt.

Linking to the YouTube channel of a conspiracy proponent (presumably you) is not an argument.

Hey, are you the same guy who went bananas over the fake "Hellion 1957" craze a while back, along with VonHelton and the other YT usual suspects? Man, I see you didn't learn anything from that….

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Moo (guest) 17 Jan 2011 19:58

Let's see what happens today, since apparently Web.Bot says something will happen! :O

obaeyens 17 Jan 2011 20:07

Something will happen all-right: I am going to sleep in an hour.

Jolly Roger, Emeritis (guest) 18 Feb 2011 02:07

I do concur with the general notion that doomsdays are generally NOT predictable, but your article on magnetic pole shift has left me with the following impressions:
The Geodynamo is a pure fabrication, (reminds me of Rube Goldberg creation.)
You are in error to say the sun plays no role in this. I suspect it is because it dosen't fit your silly machine…the sun has a major impact in earth's magnetic field and ignoring it is like ignoring a 300 pound gorilla sharing the room with you. This quote from you "The Earth's magnetic field is not determined by exterior forces, such as the magnetic field of the Sun, or of any other object." is ludicrous.
And stateing that magnetic polar shifts are (normally) gradual and major ones are pre-ancient is intended to impose a bloated and hackneyed geological time table. There is ample geological evidence to the contrary.
Lastly - the remark that we have not had increased techtonic activity, I'm wondering if we are on the same planet, perhaps a trip to Indonesia, Malaysia or Chile would help your perspective.

TheGreatJuju 18 Feb 2011 02:50

The Geodynamo is a pure fabrication,

Baseless Assertion #1.

You are in error to say the sun plays no role in this. I suspect it is because it dosen't fit your silly machine…

Baseless Assertion #2.

the sun has a major impact in earth's magnetic field and ignoring it is like ignoring a 300 pound gorilla sharing the room with you.

Straw-man fallacy.

This quote from you "The Earth's magnetic field is not determined by exterior forces, such as the magnetic field of the Sun, or of any other object." is ludicrous.

Baseless Assertion #3, I suspect stemming from Baseless Assertions #1 and #2.

And stateing that magnetic polar shifts are (normally) gradual and major ones are pre-ancient is intended to impose a bloated and hackneyed geological time table. There is ample geological evidence to the contrary.

Baseless Assertion #4.

Lastly - the remark that we have not had increased techtonic activity, I'm wondering if we are on the same planet, perhaps a trip to Indonesia, Malaysia or Chile would help your perspective.

Perhaps a trip to the USGS website would help yours.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/eqstats.php
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?showAll=yes

Was there an actual point to your post, or is this another hit-and-run?

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Moo (guest) 18 Feb 2011 05:40

I think he just wanted to show us his Jolly Roger.

Tomy2011 18 Feb 2011 16:23

The Geodynamo is a pure fabrication

Why?

You are in error to say the sun plays no role in this.

Why?

the sun has a major impact in earth's magnetic field and ignoring it is like ignoring a 300 pound gorilla sharing the room with you.

This is an ignorant claim made by someone without any physics education.

This quote from you "The Earth's magnetic field is not determined by exterior forces, such as the magnetic field of the Sun, or of any other object." is ludicrous.

Why (again)?

Waiting for answers…

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