I doubt that he had to work very hard to get the Hysteria Channel to air it. All it takes any more for them to air a program is to put apocalypse, doomsday, or 2012 in the title. They have given up their former credibility in favor of ratings. Just get a bunch of boobs together to spout drivel containing doomsday words and you have a program they will show. Thanks for doing this review. I suspected this program would turn out to be much as you have described it.
I think that's what got my ire up-I wanted them to show me some real dang ruins-even if they have nothing to do with Mayans and they couldn't deliver.
I used to grimmace when people referred to the History Channel as the "Hitler" Channel but now its the Hysteria channel and its definetly not an improvement. But at least Hitler was a real threat back in the day.
Yes, at least that did classify as history, even if they did show the same things over and over. Now it's just sensationalistic crap to raise ratings.
I just saw the show, and was doing some research on Apocalypse Island, aside from what the program had to say on it - I agree with David West totally - what a load of malarkey the show was. They could have done so much with actual artifacts that were on the island, instead of showing off their rock-climbing skills and showing a "good view" and fizzling out at the end. I thought the figure shown was much closer in appearance to Easter Island moa, but what does anyone really know about the island artifacts anyway. It's the first time I had heard about the Maya traveling so far from their homeland, so I was dubious of that claim. I am also disappointed that the program didn't reveal any other type of artifact left by the Maya. To be honest, I would speculate that the "Jaguar" figure would more likely than not be left there by the Inca, who DID travel extensively in the ocean west of Peru… they never considered that possibility in the show nor even brought it up even though the islands are west of Chile… The oldest evidence of occupation in the Americas is Flea Cave in Chile. It's not beyond speculation that there might have been expeditions west into the Pacific Ocean over the centuries.
The Incas don't sell as well as the Maya right now. All the doomsayers are using any tenuous (or patently nonexistent) connection to the Maya and 2012 for anything they can think of. Whether it is Aztec, Inca, Toltec, Olmec, or Mixtec just doesn't matter. Everything Native American that isn't from North America suddenly becomes Mayan.
The astronomical information was bogus as well. So much for the implication that the Mayans knew that this island was going to be "the only place in the western hemisphere where the last total eclipse and the last transit of Venus of their 5,000 year calendar cycle would be visible." The track of totality of the solar eclipse on 13th November 2012 misses the island by about 200 miles, so all that will be seen is a partial eclipse, the same as everywhere else in the South Pacific: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEplot/SEplot2001/SE2012Nov13T.GIF
The transit of Venus on 5th June 2012 starts at sunset as seen from this island, so this is one of the very few places in the Pacific where it won't be visible: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/venus/Map2012-2.GIF
It sounds to me like what the guy wants is to be taken for Indiana Jones. Not just to play at being him but to have other people believe it.
For the record I write fiction I do want to make a living at it but I am not going to take your money and tell you that it is 100% true.
Holy moly. Does Mr. West believe in punctuation? How could a guy who writes unreadable sentences make a living as a writer?
Having said that, I do agree that the History Channel program was much ado about nothing.
Ever heard of Cormac McCarthy?
science go into actually looking at these formations “monuments”-why not? If there was an ounce of credibility here why wasn’t there any looking at the sides for signs of cut stone, rubble, or glyphs?
The show seemed to be trying to setup the precedent that the weathering and erosion had destroyed, so the History Channel seemed to have been trying to loop around it. However, this poses a few issues.
1). Even if the supposed monument had been carved out of limestone and vulnerable to acidic rain (The calcite in limestone reacts to acidic rain/HCI), the expedition team should have taken a sample back with them for dating and other tests. Especially since, the island was made out to be incredibly difficult to access.
2). The show setup a precedent that there was a huge possibility; the structure may lack the ability to supply footholds. Yet, the guide or accompanying member to Turner was willing to climb up the structure under the claim that he didn't want to disappoint "Turner".
Since I do some ameature climbing, there's noway the guy who climbed the unstable "monument" would do so.
Is this Jeff?
If so, I'd love to include your comments in the page.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
No, no, I am an acerbic old woman in Hilo, Hawaii. I have never met Jeff Salz. I do not care for the confident, assertive personality that oozes from his website, for that matter. But he is being blamed for something he did not do. Jeff's page is at http://jeffsalz.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/156/ Actually that is the November, 2009, page which is devoted to Apocalypse Island, click the "Home" button for more information on him.
Please do see our website with its many links: http://apocalypseisland.webs.com/
I watched the first hour of the program and my gf and I couldn't bare to watch the final hour. I was curious about one thing though. What did Turner's guide have to say about it all in the end? During the first hour, the guide (his name eludes me) seemed to be pretty skeptical about it. I'm just curious as to what conclusions, if any, he had. Thanks in advance!
PS. I love this site. Keep up the good work!
That should have been the title of " Apocalypse Island" My husband and I watched this fraud of a show and thought perhaps it would have been more appropriate for the Comedy Channel. We have never said WTF so many times in a 2 hour period. Yes, I am ashamed to say we stuck with it for the whole 2 hours, hoping that surely there would be a " smoking gun" verification some where. Who perpetrated this fraud on the History Channel ? Maybe they were in on it ? Who is Jim Turner ? He has the delusions and persuasion of a good cult leader. I mean he turned a pile of rocks in a ravine into a pile of rocks in a ravine and got a 2 hour program out of it.
I finally made myself watch the whole thing a couple of months ago… yeah, I agree with you, although I probably would have titled it:
"A completely uninteresting pile of rocks and a waste of your time"
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
This show aired again last night. I wasn't able to catch the beginning of the show or give my full attention the entire 2 hrs, but I love ancient history and thought it was interesting. Apparently I wasn't paying enough attention to realize what I was watching was basically just a hoax and a bunch of propaganda to fuel the 2012 doomsday hysteria. I'm very disappointed as I really enjoy watching the History and NatGeo Channels.
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You may be interested in the new apocalypse island page. Let me know if you have any suggestions for it.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I watched this movie with one of my sons yesterday. It was an interesting show. And that's all I expected from it, just entertainment. Considering the fact that The History Channel is just another source of entertainment anymore — "Pawn Stars" & the like — I was taken back a bit that anyone might have expected anything else. If this were a true discovery, I am sure actual news organizations would have picked it up. I mean the overhead shots of J. Turner's companion supposedly climbing the rock for the first was a big give away to me.
Through an attempt to find more pics of the "monument", I came across J. Turner's own website. I saw there that when asked, he blamed the "misinformation" in the movie on the History Channel & their editing. And when I asked about the differences between the computer mock-up and the monument, he claimed they must not have looked at his pictures. (It's how he explained away the fact that there were no gaps under the actual "jaguar's" legs, whereas the computer mock-up had them. I was confused because if the mock-up was correct & erosion was the issue, all we would be seeing of the "jaguar" would be its feet! I just did not understand how he saw what he claims to have seen.)
He also claimed that he argued against the boat trip.
His site has better pics that explain what he claims to see. But I still think this was a case of someone seeing what they wanted — pareidolia — as was suggested on the site by a different poster on the site.
He is now claiming that he has found the face of the "sun god" below the "monument" as if it fell off & then slid down the mountain, loose stone left over from the carving of the "monument" & other things. (I thought that stuff was usually removed from such sites after a carving was done, not left behind.) This is all supposed to be part of his movie sequel. I don’t like what seems to be another case of a lie being perpetrated. Some do believe in such things.
P.S.
Isn’t “don’t climb on the finds” like one of the first thing you learn in archeology 101?
That's a pretty good summary. Turner's claims about the island are fairly ludicrous, and I don't think he has the archaeological background to be able to distinguish an erosional feature from a man-made monument. Neither do I, for that matter, but I know that volcanic spires are common, and darned if they don't look an awful lot like Turner's monument.
The stuff falling off of the sides of the spire is called 'scree', and the fact that it is still there yet again argues for the 'natural formation' theory.
And yes, climbing on the suspected archeological treasure should be an indication of the level of professionalism.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
The programme titled "Apocalypse Island" had already started when I came across it, and my ears pricked up when I heard the idea of the Mayans in the middle of the Pacific, so far from home…….so I thought I would give it a chance. Serious mistake!! On the whole the programme was quite a drag, with constant repetition of the main ideas, presumably trying to follow the idea that if you tell a lie enough times people will believe it, even if you just never produce any evidence whatsoever to prove it.I hung on in there despite an increasingly bad gut feeling that this was going nowhere, as effectively proved to be the point.
However, I thought I had to take a quick dive into the internet to see any further information, just to get a few more ideas about the matter, and I quite coincide with the views expressed here, and cannot comprehend how Jim Turner was ever taken seriously, and how the History Channel could possibly have taken this story on board.
It is very sad to see how a channel that has produced such excellent and informative shows in the past has sold out to mumbo jumbo.The end is nigh……….
Sure, we probably all like a good story and are prepared to accept a certain degree of speculation but this one was just far too weak, and bereft of all credibility. Not only that but it was also a substandard travel or adventure show.
So, I think I would recommend anyone considering watching the show to do something better with their time, and maybe actually read some serious history.