2012 is not the end of the world, but is it the end of the world as we know it? Because "THE ELITE"

2012 is not the end of the world, but is it the end of the world as we know it? Because "THE ELITE"

Positive (guest) 05 Feb 2010 00:18

Im just curious what you think about "THe Elite" bringing in the New World Order. Do you think they will push us into this by that time. Or even stage such an event. To have control, and massacre massive amounts of people if they dont take the chip. Im not conspiracy theorist, but it is fact. I know you guys can agree.

Re: 2012 is not the end of the world, but is it the end of the world as we know it? Because "THE ELITE"

Winters1 05 Feb 2010 04:59

I realy doubt that they will let someone repeat what happen in the Secound world war. With the Europeen who had to deal with the new world order from Hitler guys you will need to take this out of your heads……

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SuperToast (guest) 05 Feb 2010 20:00

With globalization of the economic system and fast media communication, a new "world war" is extremely improbable. Localized conflicts are the new way wars are fought. This New World Order stuff is just another term for the United Nations and the E.U. and as a grandson of Europeans and having family in Europe, I see how it is a great step to assure peace. I won't get political here, but this has nothing to do with 2012 "predictions".

Conspiracy theories are a way to "simplify" world events as it is difficult for the average person to grasp the true understanding of it all. Those who search, will always find what they are searching for and adjust/create facts to shoot theories

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2012hoax 05 Feb 2010 20:18

I agree.

A hallmark of the scientific mind is bending theories to suit the facts, and not vice versa. If you have an idea, and only look for confirming 'facts' you will skip over the uncomfortable bits of evidence that show that your idea is full of holes.

By the way, welcome to the website!

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2012hoax 05 Feb 2010 20:35

Hi 'Positive';

The "New World Order" and "The Elite" are largely figments of the imaginations of conspiracy nuts, many of them right-wing Christian groups who are paranoid about how "The Leftist Elite" are about to take over. This is largely an American Protestant phenomenon

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SuperToast (guest) 05 Feb 2010 21:08

Well put Admin.

Right wing Christians in the US are literally DEMONIZING Obama. From the point of view as an observer and not necessarily a supporter, issues such as Healthcare and his road to economic recovery are being used against him. I am an Economist, and I can tell you that it is NOT easy to recover a country from such a blow. This will take time, and people are in too much of a hurry!

The statements of NWO and such are indeed baseless afirmations of rightists who are desperate that Obama fails and who are extremely uncomfortable with having a president who is a "minority".

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Tyler Maret 09 Feb 2010 21:11

its unlikely they could break the treaty like hitler broke the treaty of versailles but like i said its unlikely

ontheinside (guest) 28 Oct 2010 18:26

Good debunking web site re: 2012 theories.

I believe though that the point may be getting overlooked here. What is happening is that policies are being implemented, via gradualism, at a international and governmental level at the behest of powerful (family run) interest groups ( AKA the Elite, NWO, The Illuminati, Zionists, one world Government) to curb the rights of citizens and to exchange the remaining wealth (power) over this time period into their hands, using events (that are usually contrived) to change laws to facilitate a 'Police State' agenda.

I have been involved with security analysis for many years now and whilst I have made my living out of Wars the reality of a Martial Law type situation because of a contrived economic collapse (must be put into a contextually relative term) and the shortages that this will bring about is worrying for me.

I am of the opinion that the 2012 hoax is being used as a front (along with other distracting and entertaining material) to justify and rationalize deep structural changes to how our societies operate.

There are many examples for this that I wont list now but can if anyone wants me to. Please do not hesitate to ask for more details. keep up the good work guys.

Moo (guest) 28 Oct 2010 19:36

You are aware the Illuminati was an extremely loyal secret service to Bavaria in the 1800's, yes? As a result, they were forced to disband due to their loyalties upon a decree being issued to the Illuminati and ALL of Bavaria's Secret Organizations.

For the Illuminati to exist in this modern era would be to abandon what the Illuminati TRULY stood for: Supremacy of Bavaria and loyalty to their lords. The Illuminati are THE "NWO Elite Conspiracy" that the modern-day FICTIONAL Illuminati are hailed as. They were, in a nutshell, Bavaria's Secret Service, loyal to the DEATH.

These are the key things people don't acknowledge when speaking of the Illuminati. They only speak of the popular, fictional Illuminati. The REAL Illuminati were loyal to their government, as IRONIC as that may sound, it is true. The Illuminati CANNOT exist because of the current Bavaria law, and they would NOT betray Bavaria.

Again, emphasis on how insanely loyal the real Illuminati were. As a result, there is no "NWO", because the Illuminati cannot exist due to their loyalties. The "Elite" only exist because us "Lower/Middle" Class exist. With out us, they are nothing. And ultimately, a lot of the "Elite" people give crap to are major charity donation givers and otherwise really good people. They MAY have plans to save their own asses if something MAJOR happens… but that's just because they're smart enough to prepare for ANYTHING.

"Zionists" is stupid. Come on. And a One World Government would be >AMAZING< ignoring the crap that is known as the Book of Revelations. You have NO idea how beneficial to the entire world and our species a single, united global government would be. The only problem and reason why this can never happen is because of Bible wielding zealots shouting out "ZOMG ANTICHRIST" if it ever happened. Which would suck, because the AntiChrist is a bunch of BS.

So, yes. When you think "Illuminati", KINDLY remember what the definition and line between Fantasy and Reality is. Again, TL;DR, the Illuminati were VERY loyal to the their working government. Their only true desire was Bavaria supremacy. This "NWO" crap is from FICTIONAL NOVELS using the name because, to be honest, it sounds really badass.

Nothing more.

ontheinside (guest) 28 Oct 2010 19:56

Apologies Moo,

I was only referring to those titles as other names (AKA) that is/has been used to describe the powerful interests groups that are manipulating politics. Please read my post again with this in mind.

ontheinside (guest) 28 Oct 2010 20:10

I should mention these terms are more or less irrelevant, there are others - Internationalists, the family etc.

If you like I can also link to many comments by these powerful families about the NWO agenda as well as what Zionism is and its objectives.

Moo (guest) 28 Oct 2010 21:27

Sure, go ahead. Keep in mind I want documented, if not video'd, quotes. I don't want potentially fabricated 'quotes' or photoshop'd 'letters'.

Because, I could just do this…

"We're going to take over the world."

The NWO said that to me just now.

Kay? Kay.

By the way, "ontheinside" not. Because if you were on the 'inside', you'd probably know stuff. :x

ontheinside (guest) 28 Oct 2010 21:45

Sorry I am not quite following what you're angle is Moo,

Do you disagree that there are transnational/globalized powerful family groups with an agenda to centralize their power base further or not?

I can give you quotes and videos from powerful people stating the phrase NWO (as well as being in context) as easily as you can find it online as well as what the zionist agenda is.

Are you also implying that my opinion is wrong with 'you'd probably know stuff' line?

TheGreatJuju 29 Oct 2010 02:55

I believe though that the point may be getting overlooked here.

Lately, there's been no shortage of people complaining that this website doesn't deal with every single conspiracy or disaster scenario ever dreamed up by humankind. No offense, but it's getting old.

What is happening is that policies are being implemented, via gradualism, at a international and governmental level at the behest of powerful (family run) interest groups ( AKA the Elite, NWO, The Illuminati, Zionists, one world Government) to curb the rights of citizens and to exchange the remaining wealth (power) over this time period into their hands, using events (that are usually contrived) to change laws to facilitate a 'Police State' agenda.

On one hand, you seem to rudimentally grasp the inevitable, historically-undeniable consequences of centralized power. On the other hand, any sane point you might be in a position to make on this subject is lost in a menagerie of fantastical boogie-men.

the reality of a Martial Law type situation because of a contrived economic collapse (must be put into a contextually relative term) and the shortages that this will bring about is worrying for me.

"[Contrived] economic collapse?" Oh, good grief.

I am of the opinion that the 2012 hoax is being used as a front (along with other distracting and entertaining material) to justify and rationalize deep structural changes to how our societies operate.

By whom? Don't just wave your hands with boogie-man invocations like "the Elite" and "NWO and "Illuminati."

How? Name specific events and/or initiatives supporting your claim that "the 2012 hoax is being used as a front."

There are many examples for this that I wont list now but can if anyone wants me to.

Examples are of no use when you've already drawn a conclusion as to what they are examples of. It's like a UFO-believer who is already convinced that unidentified lights in the sky represent aliens. He might offer dozens of examples and weave somewhat internally consistent stories about them, but question-begging presuppositions render them effectively meaningless.

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Re: 2012 is not the end of the world, but is it the end of the world as we know it? Because "THE ELITE"

seen2009 28 Oct 2010 22:54

Hello Positive,

Welcome to the site.

Although there is a contingent within the New World Order conspiracy theory involving 2012, which is largely through lesser mainstream, it remains a conspiracy theory. For this reason, this topic seems better suited to off-topic board and has been moved.

quoted text Im just curious what you think about "THe Elite" bringing in the New World Order. Do you think they will push us into this by that time. Or even stage such an event. To have control, and massacre massive amounts of people if they dont take the chip. Im not conspiracy theorist, but it is fact.

The NWO conpiracy theory is essentially an demonization of the globalist concept of supranationalism, an idea that country's can cooperate so closely for mutual benefit that they can share: the same government, economy including currency, social policies, and military (Bradshaw. "Contemporary World Regional Geography". 3rd Ed. McGraw-Hill 2009. (85 pg).

To answer your question, no.