how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

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It might be a big load but it also might be true. As much as you'd like to believe you know for sure, the truth is, you don't anymore than the rest of us. What if you're wrong? If something does happen then? You will have gotten a lot of people killed by telling them not to worry about it or prepare. Which is worse? Stealing their money or taking their lives?

how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Angela White (guest) 17 Apr 2010 15:49

I just put a link to your site on my own 2012 page. I wish to be fair and balanced since none of us really know but I'll end with this. It's easier to believe it than to not believe it. People are looking for a reason for all the bad in the world right now. Nostradamous and the Mayan's were centuries apart. How did they come up with the same date?

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

bikenbeer2000 17 Apr 2010 20:47

how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

This is the central point of dealing with claims of doom in 2012. It's not up to anyone to prove a claim to be false because proving a negative is not possible. It's up to the people making the claim to prove that what they say is true. None of them have done this. Indeed, all claims can be dismissed as either wild fantasy or physically impossible. Take them all away and you're left with 2012 as just an average year.
I agree that to many people, scientific sounding claims of doom may seem plausible. Someone says there will be a pole shift. We say there won't. How would you know if you don't understand geophysics? It boils down to taking the word of scientists against hoaxers. No scientist says there will be a pole shift in 2012. This is good enough for most people.
Let me put it another way. If you read that a giant pink unicorn would come rampaging down your street next Tuesday and I told you to ignore it and go out anyway, would I be putting your life at risk? I don't think so. That's an indication of how totally impossible these doomsday claims appear to someone who has studied them. Pink unicorns, Planet X, pole shift, alignments, it's all the same - pure nonsense.

You will have gotten a lot of people killed by telling them not to worry about it or prepare.

I think this is rather strong. There is nothing to prepare for.

Nostradamous and the Mayan's were centuries apart. How did they come up with the same date?

They didn't. The Mayans made no doomsday prediction. Nostradamus said nothing about 2012.
http://www.2012hoax.org/mayan-prediction
http://www.2012hoax.org/nostradamus

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

bryan (guest) 17 Apr 2010 22:31

the question i have regarding your last post…if the mayans really did predict the end, wouldnt they have mentioned it many times…and also, there a reference to the year 4771 AD.
my question though is what is so special about the dresden codex.? and has it been decoded?

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Alene Y 17 Apr 2010 23:15

No one can prove 100% that nothing is going to happen on any day chosen at random. We have, however, proven that the doomsday scenarios claimed by the 2012 hoaxers either
1. can't happen at all
2. can't happen by 2012
3. are regular events that don't harm us
4. or the likelihood of happening in 2012 is no greater for 2012 than any other time.

As for Nostradamus and the Maya, they didn't come up with ANY date. Neither of them made any such prediction. Nostradamus never mentioned 2012, but his predictions go up to the year 4797. The Mayan calendar doesn't end, but starts a new cycle. The Maya mentioned 2012 only once, in a defaced inscription that says nothing about any cataclysm or the end of the world. They do, however, have an inscription about an anniversary celebration to take place in 4771.

By the way, if the world were ending, everyone would die whether they believed it it or not, so don't pretend that we would get anyone killed. There are no precautions that will protect one against the end of the world, other than a tinfoil hat.

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Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Keith (guest) 18 Apr 2010 13:27

Angela,

Before you spouted off, you should have read through the various pages of this site which explain, in great detail, complete with bibliographic references, why, as Alene stated, none of the various 2012 scenarios are even remotely plausible.

If you're going to try to convince us that something bad is going to happen in 2012, try to come up with something better and more original than playing the Nostradamus card. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that he was no more a seer of the future than H.G. Wells and Jules Verne were.

Here's a little something for you and all your ilk:

http://www.vallentyne.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/thestupiditburns.jpg

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Winters (guest) 17 Apr 2010 16:23

Nostradamous doent have a date like 2012 so i dont know where you are getting this and the Mayan has never said anything about the end of the world there is no way to prove if or will it happen but we all know this end of the world has been dated many many many many many time and nothing happened. So that is maybe a little prof. After 2012 pass there will me anothere year and date and ppl will go all crazy on the subject and i must say i will be ignoring this. If you want to bealive in it well do but let me tell you this dont you dear brain wash ppl with this bull crap.

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hale (guest) 18 Apr 2010 06:55

i hve to say this.as i found the last bit A.White said was very harsh..u said this site that is free.dosent take money..pple take time out of they busy lives on this site to help pple understand..that it will get alot of pple killed..for 1..if it was the end of the world ..then no matter wat who says wat we all die..BUT!!!! it isnt the end ..pple are dying NOW!! ..and will 4 the nx 2 yrs..as a result..of pple takin they own live..and worse pple will and r takin others ..this site calms pple down..read the stories pple hve posted..sum dont eat .sum cant sleep..and i no in my heart that pple will do worse my son of 9 now..was the same .had nytmares .didnt eat .he was always scared.now readin 4rm this site..he not as bad .even watched the metor showers that went on few days ago.on the telly and new it wasnt anythink to be scared of..so i hve to say 4 my son ..this site saved him..he is alive.ie he lives his life with fun ,happy,as a 9 yr old boy should..NO KIDS should hear about end of the world BS..and if you watch the news..if the world was gonna end..why do plans get made 4 after that date by the govement?? 4 1 plans 4 a misson to mars by 2037 think that was the date..

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Sirk (guest) 20 Apr 2010 14:43

you know. just live your life. who cares? I don't. if you're rather hard headed to think that the world is coming to an end. fine. but look we fought two world wars, endured the threat or nuclear war, survived plagues, drought, etc. humanity has lived through so many upheavals and dire situations that were really lucky to be here. but we as a race managed to survive. when disease came did people lay down and give up? no they developed vaccines and medicine and learned ways to combat it. people said it was the end of the world then, World war II was a heavy conflict that took 59 million lives total, did we let Hitler and the Axis get away with murder? no we fought them alongside our allies, our brothers in arms and brought the mindless slaughter to an end.
What I'm trying to say is that to think were the last generation, the last decade, the last of anything is foolish. Humanity has conquered time and time again. "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." FDR said that. and i take those words to heart. to let fear mongers, swindlers, cultists, insane out right irate individuals plague you with fear is foolish. and if you hate me for that, call me ignorant and an idealist. go ahead. I'm secure in that nothing will happen. I got classes to attend and a life to live good day sir.

Re: how can it be a hoax? Can you prove that?

Martin Dukes (guest) 21 Apr 2010 23:47

I couldn't agree with you more! Because of this sight I am now laughing myself to death at how ignorant Harold Camping is.