How many of you have seen this?

How many of you have seen this?

UndeadxNurse 04 May 2010 06:02

There are plans (by certain groups of people, mainly the younger groups) to engage in a mass suicide in 2012 or late 2011.
There are authorities preparing ways to prevent mass suicides in late 2011 and early 2012 as well as throughout the year of 2012.

There have been a total of (rumored) five suicides linked to 2012 already (that I have come across just by searching Google and Bing).

I mean, seriously? Wanting money and scamming for money is one thing, but to drive people (particularly the younger groups) to the point of actually considering and even planning mass suicides between now and 2012?

Every hope that I ever had for our species actually evolving into something better completely just went down the shit-pipe.

These scammers and doomsayers disgust me, they should be the ones being laid to rest under a mound of dirt, not these kids.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Astrogeek 04 May 2010 06:25

I agree with you.

I count every person that we talk to here about 2012, every person who has their fears relieved, to be a success. I haven't done a count of the number of people who have left "thank you" notes, or the number of people who have asked sincere questions in the forums here, but they are what keep me going.

I stay up at night sometimes worried about those we haven't reached yet. As a father I can only imagine the pain of a parent whose child is harmed by this hoax. I plot painful and slow tortures for those who have pushed this hoax on kids. I consider this fear-mongering to be the same thing as child abuse.

I am not just upset about the kids… a lot of adults have fallen for this as well… but the kids I have talked to with fear in their eyes… I am furious for them.

Watch the videos under the Penn & Teller page, and watch "Dr." Jaysen Q. Rand tell a 10 year old kid how Planet X is going to cause chaos. "Dr." Rand… never, ever, be alone with me in a room.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

UndeadxNurse 04 May 2010 16:11

I have to admit, Astro.

From the first time that I heard about all of this 2012 mumbo-jumbo 'til last night, I just saw it as another ridiculous scam that was simply hilarious because just like in 2000, people were running around like Ants because they bought into the bullshit, but this time it's different and I realized that last night after doing a little bit of searching on how it's effecting people this time and this time there are more kids and teenagers contemplating suicide over this, more-so than there ever was in 2000 and to know that there may have already been some who have committed suicide over it already just pisses me off even more.

I'd like to catch one of these doomsayers out in my streets and I'd like to beat them to the ground and set their asses on fire, they deserve the pain for what they're putting these kids through.

Granted, I can be rude and I think it's funny how some adults buy into this and I'm really not a very "nice" person, to be quite honest I'm actually a bitch and I know that, but when it comes to hurting kids and making them paranoid and even suicidal for a dollar… well… that's when I put my foot down.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Alene Y 04 May 2010 17:04

That's what spurred us to form our group and Astrogeek to set up this site. I know we can't get the word out to all the kids and prevent all the suicides. I worry about that a lot. Every time I consider spending less time on this, I think that if even one child dies and I could have prevented it, I would never forgive myself.
Besides the obvious hoaxers, there are fundamentalist screwballs pushing this (they are mostly saying 2011) and thinking they are doing the right thing. Too bad I don't believe in Hell. If I did, I would be quite sure these charlatans would end up burning there for what they are doing.

Re: How many of you have seen this?

Astrogeek 04 May 2010 17:35

I'm right there with you Alene… sure, there's a humorous aspect of this, and I don't feel bad in pointing and laughing at the people who make silly claims, but when it comes down to scaring people literally to death, I get angry. Very, very angry. There are certain people among the 2012 doomsayers that I should probably stay well away from, just because I have a family, and I don't want to go to jail for assault.

Some of this should be easily dismissed by adults, but for whatever reason… perhaps as Dr. Tyson says, they didn't take enough science in school… the ideas seem credible to them. Some people just can't seem to parse what is science verses nonsense. I understand how Doctors Tyson, Brown, O'Neill, Morrison, Yeomans, Hoopes, and Van Stone feel… they want this ridiculous hoax to go away too, probably more than any of us. I commend them for sticking their hands up and saying "this is insane nonsense". Having the scientists say it is one thing, a good thing. But the message needs to be carried further.

Taking it to the people online (this website, yahoo! answers, etc), in person (classroom visits, lectures at libraries), and wherever and whenever we can… that's what I can do.

I am anguished about the rumors of suicides, or suicide pacts. I am overjoyed every time someone comments here on how much the site has helped them. That's why I didn't even mind Ray Mardyks' little tantrums in the forums here… the more he posts here, the more responses he gets. The more responses that he gets with links and keywords, and the year 2012 in them, the higher this site gets ranked. Ray-boy is my own little SEO-bot.

So, Undeadxnurse, I deal with my anger over this subject by going straight to the most vulnerable groups, by giving presentations in classrooms. I haven't done a library presentation yet, but I'm going to set one up very soon. I've incorporated a brief "2012 is nonsense" section in the standard astronomy talk I give to kids.

Every time I bring it up, I get parents and teachers telling me "thanks", because they didn't have the knowledge or resources to deal with it.

I will be very happy, but very tired, when 2013 rolls in.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Alene Y 04 May 2010 17:44

I hadn't thought of Mardyks' tantrums raising the viewing level of the site. I guess he isn't a total waste of skin. I was going to explain to him about Maya being a noun, both singular and plural, meaning that group or individuals of that group of indigenous people, and Mayan being an adjective to refer to something of the Maya, like the Mayan calendar. I decided that I didn't want to encourage him.

Re: How many of you have seen this?

Ray Mardyks (guest) 11 May 2010 19:31

And behind the curtain, people like Hoopes and Van Stone come to me to share with them what the Dresden Codex says about 2012.

Dresden Codex 2012

Van Stone, "Better minds than mine have collected the history of the "2012 meme", and I defer to them. I recommend my colleague John Hoopes at Kansas University; he is the authority I always go to with questions like this. He was the first, I think, to discover the Förstenmann reference in this context, and probably could give you a better answer as to what Förstenmann was thinking."

Hoopes, "To give credit where credit is due, Ernst Forstemann's remarks were first brought to my attention by astrologer Ray Mardyks …"

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Astrogeek 12 May 2010 14:38

Oh the irony….

To give the full quote (and you're big on full quotes, aren't you, Ray?)

To give credit where credit is due, Ernst Forstemann's remarks were first brought to my attention by astrologer Ray Mardyks, [an] individual who remains preoccupied with the idea that the ancient Maya were given estoteric information by extraterrestrials.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Astrogeek 04 May 2010 17:12

that's when I put my foot down.

on their throat.

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"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind

Re: How many of you have seen this?

UndeadxNurse 04 May 2010 23:30

on their throat.

Or every visible part of their body, I'll start with their legs and work my way up.

There isn't much that I can do, but what can I do to help? Aside from passing the site around, I've already passed it out a few times and I intend to keep doing so.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Alene Y 05 May 2010 02:45

Telling people about the site is really good. Several of us are also answering 2012 questions on one of the big Q&A sites. We try to make sure that all the questions get at least one good answer. Of course we don't always get all of them, but the more sensible answers we get out there the better. There are many trolls and many who are just using 2012 as a chat topic, but there are also many kids who are being told that the world is going to end and are very frightened by it.
Astrogeek may have some suggestions too.

Re: How many of you have seen this?

UndeadxNurse 05 May 2010 04:20

I'm sure that I could do that.

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Re: How many of you have seen this?

Alene Y 05 May 2010 04:49

Great! Would you like to join our group so we can have messages that aren't posted here on the site? It's just our private group that we formed to fight the 2012 hysteria.

Re: How many of you have seen this?

UndeadxNurse 06 May 2010 07:04

Sure.

I'm usually not online until late (like right now at 3:05 am) so I may not be there for the juicy meetings, but I can pick up as I go on.

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