- Vivos provides 100 square feet of effective space per person within its shelters. FEMA recommends just 50 square feet and the Red Cross even less at 40 per person. Vivos is spacious by comparison.
Considering a standard prison cell in the U.S. is 6'*8', is that really something to brag about?
"Vivos — twice the space of a prison cell."
"Vivos — at least we're better than FEMA."
Yeah, really enticing….
- Each Vivos complex includes 12 kitchens, 26 "full size" bathrooms with showers, and 50 bedroom suites - hardly a lack of comfort!
Well, no, if living in twice the space of a standard prison cell doesn't bother you. Wouldn't make for bad emergency accommodations, I guess, but the "comfort" and space factors would wane quickly, especially with 200 people in the same unit.
- - Vivos does not depict the storage areas for food, water and fuel by intent. They are not providing working drawings for their proprietary shelter designs. However, does it take much imagination to understand that the fuel is stored in outside underground storage tanks, as is water that is replenished from deep underground water wells?
This conveniently skirts what the article actually says.
"Some simple math yields the following: 67.32 * 200 * 365 = 4,914,360 or about 5 million pounds (nearly 2,500 tons) of supplies (food, water, and air). [Vivos] further claims that 20 shelters will be online by December 21st 2012, so we are now talking about 50,000 tons of supplies, excluding fuel for their generators."
"For a 1 year supply, Vivos will have to stock at least 189,000 gallons of fuel."
At 7.15 lbs/gal (diesel), that's another 1,351,350 lbs.
Whether they have some mechanism for dealing with this doesn't negate the fact that it isn't addressed. Your "proprietary shelter designs" "argument" is a cop-out. If I'm going to fork out $50,000 on accommodations that are meant to preserve my life for up to a year, I'd damn well like to know how and where 189,000 gallons of fuel and 5 million pounds of vital supplies like air, food and water will be stored. Maybe that's just me.
Of course, since Vivos states: "Once a critical mass of ownership candidates is selected for each Vivos shelter location, from the Vivos membership pool, Vivos will extend invitations to join a specific ownership group. Selected candidates will open escrow for the purchase of their equity ownership interest of the nearest Vivos facility. Vivos will then complete the construction, equipping, outfitting and provisioning of each shelter facility…."
…no wonder they're hush-hush.
- Actual "freeze-dried" food storage for one person/year is 48.6 cu ft. (3 meals per day providing 2,500 calories requires 180 #10 cans). Here's a secret look under the floor for food storage, and in the ceiling for general supplies.
So you invoke "proprietary shelter designs" as an excuse for why Vivos doesn't address the issue of storing 5 million pounds of supplies and 189,000 gallons of fuel, then you go on to reveal "proprietary shelters designs?" Or are you just speculating?
- Obviously this author doesn't know about low voltage power systems and compact generators producing 15KW each.
Obviously, you can't address what the author actually says.
- He also is unfamiliar with CO2 air scrubbers and how they work in concert with water exchangers, etc.
I'm really not sure what in the article supports your assertion to this effect. The only statement on the matter is, "A person at rest would deplete the oxygen in a 1 cubic meter space in 2 hours. According to NASA it takes 67.32 pounds of food, water, and air to sustain one astronaut per day." This statement is fully referenced here and here.
- Vivos already has over 300,000 square feet of structures built in the USA and another 250,000 built in Europe. Guess this author wasn't on the alert list of those that need to know!
They might have acquired that much space, but the facilities being advertised have not been demonstrated to exist. In fact, Vivos' own words suggest that they do not.
Footnote: Whoever wrote this has no sense of either the Vivos structure plan and/or the value these shelters have in such a catastrophe. Oh well, any moron can own a keyboard and pretend he is an expert!
Apparently, any moron with a keyboard can also rant and rave without bothering to actually address a series of arguments.
Nowhere does the article besmirch the potential value of such facilities in the event of an actual disaster. What the article does do, however, is point out some rather obvious and important issues that Vivos has not even remotely addressed in public.
Aside from the fact that these as-of-yet nonexistent shelters are marketed on the basis of lies, fear-mongering and attempts to manufacture hysteria, I do find a bizarre sense of charm in these things. Maybe because they sound like an attempt to actualize the Vault-Tec Vaults from the Fallout computer games.
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