Hoooooooooooooooooooo kay pt2

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Hoooooooooooooooooooo kay pt2

Apathy (guest) 11 Jun 2010 04:41

Greetings once again.

It is I, the one who stirred up so much trouble before. The one labeled as a forum troll by none other than the site administrator himself. I can already feel the anger boiling inside you, its a nice energy, and I need more. But, alas, this is not why I came. Arising hate from your kind intellect is not my intension, nor was it in the first place. Nay, my intent is somewhat different this time though. Last time, I hoped that through a little constructive criticism you, as a whole, would realize that you are wasting your time, pretending to care, acting out because of neglect or loneliness.

As epic and legendary as part one was, we must let it die, wither away, succumb to time, the greatest of evils, wouldn't you say?

And so, let us begin the process of part two, a hope that somewhere deep down in those squishy little neuron packets you call brains a glimmer of light will appear, a beacon of the future. For that is what this is all about, nay? The future.

Ohh, yes, the future, quite a frightening concept. Anything can happen. Well just about anything. Not a 2012 doomsday scenario of course, I would be lead to believe, since over 50% of the topics and threads on this forum are filled with the wisdom of true scientists like Billy's mom. Or Bill himself. Ah, Bill. What to say, what to say? Well lets start with a control question.

Bill, are you human?

Many will think this is a silly question, as silly as the world ending, but it needs to be asked. You see, over the time I've spent reading these threads I have accumulated such knowledge of Bill's knowledge that "The world will not end in 2012." (My apologies if those are your own words, I simply felt that if you can quote me on things I have never said, I can do so in rebuttal.)
Which leads me to my next question, assuming you answered 'yes' to the first one:

Have you developed some sort of space/time traversing ship?

See, if Bill really is human, it would logically lead that the only way he can be 100% sure that the world will not end in 2012 is to have witnessed the occasion himself. This is a great time to introduce my third question:

Do you believe 100% that the world will not end in 2012?

I know folks, I know, but it must be asked. Perhaps there is some doubt in Bills mind. Maybe he is only 90% sure, perhaps its 10%. Until you, Bill, clearly state what your belief is, it would be very uncanny of you to go around forcing it on other people. Or so I am told, by Bill.

And finally, my forth question:

With recent events that have taken place since my absence, Oil leak, Iran being pushed by UN, Korea on the brink of war, Glenn Beck touting everyday that the economy will collapse, how safe do you feel in this world of ours, where you are so sure about the future?

Re: Hoooooooooooooooooooo kay pt2

Apathy (guest) 11 Jun 2010 04:56

I have to add,

Why would Stephen Hawkings, one of the smartest astronomers and physicist in the world, publicly come out and state, that humans will encounter alien life, and when we do, it wont be pretty?

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TheGreatJuju 11 Jun 2010 06:08

The one labeled as a forum troll by none other than the site administrator himself.

Correctly so, it would seem.

Have you developed some sort of space/time traversing ship?

That is not necessary in order to address the claims that this site exists to address. You seem to be suffering from the same confusion that has plagued another person or two on this forum, namely the confusion that leads one to attack a "soothsayer" argument instead of taking the time to actually deal with the claim analyses that Astrogeek, bikenbeer and others have produced. Sweeping generalizations about the qualifications of posters here and the merit of what they post might conveniently give you something to rant about, but it's no substitute for making a logical response supported by evidence.

With recent events that have taken place since my absence, Oil leak, Iran being pushed by UN, Korea on the brink of war, Glenn Beck touting everyday that the economy will collapse, how safe do you feel in this world of ours, where you are so sure about the future?

Welcome to the world, kiddo.

Why would Stephen Hawkings, one of the smartest astronomers and physicist in the world, publicly come out and state, that humans will encounter alien life, and when we do, it wont be pretty?

It's Stephen Hawking, no "s," and I'm left to assume that you're referring to this.

There probably is life somewhere else in the universe. I doubt the vastness of the cosmos is conducive to either a human monopoly on sapience or to humans encountering another intelligent species. If such were to happen, it would no doubt be a shocking event, but Hawking's proposal is a hypothetical based on some exceptionally human assumptions, and it has nothing to do with 2012.

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Kevin (guest) 11 Jun 2010 06:29

Who exactly is the lonely one here? If you want attention you might want to consider doing it else where, because a lot of people come here for assurance/reassurance to calm their mind about this 2012 non sense. So why don't you keep your pitiful 2nd grade(referring to "Thinking as a Hobby", by William) thinking skills to yourself. Better yet, go write a book and try to fill your sadist mind.

Plus, I don't see the argument here… Of course no one knows with 100% certainty about anything in the future.
There is no real evidence to back any of the 2012 theories, but if you insist that something out of the nowhere is going to happen and destroy us all in 2012. Can't say you are wrong(since the future is unknown), but very very very very very unlikely…

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Apathy (guest) 11 Jun 2010 14:32

Kevin, if I wrote a book, you would read it, make me money, and I would still come this site and post my ideas. Such is the freedom that was gifted to me.

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Alene Y 13 Jun 2010 23:30

The purpose of our site is only to cover the 2012 hoax and try to help those who are being frightened by it. We don't specialize in debunking everything with which we may disagree. However, I will give you my take on Stephen Hawking's statement and on alien life. I believe it is likely that there is other intelligent life in the universe. We don't have any proof of this yet. Stephen Hawking is one of our top scientists, but he has no more knowledge of any existing alien life than the rest of us. He was speculating and giving his opinion on what he thinks is likely to occur if and when we encounter any extraterrestrial civilization. We know that, among humans, the more advanced civilization has usually displaced or enslaved the less advanced when finding new territories. It is, of course, anthropomorphization to say that alien civilizations would do the same, but it is certainly a possibility.

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UndeadxNurse 11 Jun 2010 11:29

Tsk, Tsk. Apathy.

You're whining about how the world is. The fact is that the world itself is fine, our Planet will shift, it will move, it will run through its various cycles with, or without us living on its surface. The fact is that while the world itself is fine, its inhabitants are not, or to further specify, the Human race is not fine. We take too much glory, too much pride in the simplest of things, we can kick a can down a street and gain a jolt of pride and sense of accomplishment. We're pathetic, compared to most other species, to be quite honest.

The fact that you've taken the time to sit on your lazy ass and type up a few insults and point out obvious facts is nothing short of amusing to me. Our species, Apathy, history 101: Our species is a violent species, we thrive, and we dwell on war and hurting our fellow man. War is not something that is new to our species, as you make it sound. The Roman Empire killed massive amounts of people, so many that we literally can't even begin to estimate. Now, I'm quite sure that during the reign of certain people(s) such as the Roman Empire, Vlad the Impaler, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, King Henry the VIII and Ivan the Terrible, many people, much like yourself, would say that the end of times were at hand, despite the fact that we only count two world wars, the fact is that there have been several world wars as our ancient ancestors would travel, slaughtering, torturing, and much more horrible acts.

Oil spills are nasty little man-made disasters, of course, disastrous for ocean life, but the sad fact is that when you point out things such as Iran, Korea, Glenn Beck… I say to myself "Déjà vu".

In approximately 1929 "The Great Depression" begun, not only in America, but world-wide, many people were starving, without homes, without proper shelter, without medication, without warmth, even without water, this lasted until the early 1940s, but even so, the economy took time to regain what was lost, the suggestion of another economic failure is common-place, it was even common-place when we weren't experiencing trying times, however we, as a species, survived one depression, we can and will survive another.

What makes your post hilarious, to me, is that you point out these occurrences in our time, but you haven't taken into consideration that during "The Great Depression" we had literally just finished WWI and went straight into WWII.
So the things that you have boldly pointed out are nothing more than child's play, compared to our history.

Stephen Hawking (No "S") as Juju stated, is in fact a brilliant mind, but the possibility of making contact with outside life, be it intelligent, or nothing more than a microscopic life-form has, and will continue to fascinate the minds of everyone on this planet, even some of the skeptics.

Personally, I see a very flawed, very unintellectual argument placed in your post.
Feel free to try again, if you really wish to waste more of your life, sitting in front of a computer.

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Apathy (guest) 11 Jun 2010 14:31

Thank you for the replies.

It certainly makes me feel welcome that I can still get a pulse out of something as dead as 2012 hoax de-bunkers. Although your posts are insightful, even though they have nothing to do with my post, they still lack a certain quality I was looking for in them. To be more specific, I wasn't looking for anyone's opinion on questions that I am directing to a specific person outside of that specific person, but since you feel that you need to talk down to me so be it, as you say yourself, humans feel satisfied by doing the smallest things, such as responding when not needed.

Even more interesting though is your stances on humanity. You claim to be doing a public good. Yet you state that humanity is evil, war mongers that thrive on destruction. Perhaps you feel that you are special, apart from the rest. You must feel that you are a pure, loving creature, who only hopes to help out those who just can't grasp the understanding that you do. I do see now how this correlates with your assumption that all humanity is pathetic, except yourself. I say except yourself becuase you seem to have an aura of righteousness surrounding you. So quick you are to point out my misspelling of Stephen Hawking'S name. Is this really the territory you want to enter into? If I am not mistaken, Bill himself posted a very nice graphic in my first post on the attributes of a forum troll, one of which, is to heckle individuals on their spelling. Perhaps you will look at your own post and notice the grammatical and spelling errors.

Since you have taken such great stride in being able to take my examples, directed towards Bill, of current wordily troubles and compare them to troubles you have never experienced, nor understand, I can only assume that you must be trying to incite some sort of hate speech. It will not happen. As I said, getting your blood boiling is enough for me to feed off of but its not my intention.

I would just like to know, UndeadxNurse, what is this flawed argument you see? I was not sure I had an argument, nor a subject to argue. From what I understood, and you can be assured that I understand very little, I was asking questions of a man, not stating a thesis in a persuasive essay. But, since you are such a bright individual, I'm sure that you would have taken this into account before posting, which leads me to believe that you are posting on behalf of Bill. I must say, you failed to address any of the questions that I asked, stated that I said things which I did not, and proceeded to insult me in a very passive, indirect manner. I read my post over and over,and yet, I can't find a single insult in it.

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Kevin (guest) 11 Jun 2010 15:55

If your posts are not addressing any of the 2012 issues, like you said, why bother posting them on a 2012 related forum?
If you had read your posts without your stuck up mind set, you would have noticed the tremendous amount of mockery and insult, in your posts, towards this site and its admin.
It is not UndeadXNurse who was talking down to other human beings, you were. UndeadXNurse was simply giving you a history lesson, which you refuse to look at, and in return insult UndeadxNurse for pointing out the flaw in your previous post.
And finally, no, I wouldn't buy your book.

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Winters1 11 Jun 2010 16:28

Attention to all posters of this forum please lets not post on this thread you will never win with this guy or girl, it will never stop he or she strive on getting you all work up and pisst off, He or she one of thoughs internet tough guys that probably would never say this stuff to your face so lets not feed this guy and stop theis thread at once!!

Lastime he was hear he would just insult everyone that would post so please dont give hime that attention please he is not worth it at all.

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Richard (guest) 11 Jun 2010 16:40

Apathy, since we're in the buisness of asking questions, may I ask you one? Assuming you answered yes (which I doubt), are you familiar with narcissism? I would assume that you are not, since lack of personal insight is quite characteristic for narcissistic behaviour (I guess you see were this is going?).

Now, seeing your constant crawing for attention on this forum makes me realize that there really isn't anything you can do in order to appear sympathetic in our eyes (which is sad). But, I would like you to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Assuming that you didn't bother to look through the page here's a short abstract for you (basically the most essential in your case). See, I've even taken the time to highlight some aspects that you might want to look into a little deeper (i.e. see a shrink)

"1.Shamelessness - Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2.Magical thinking - Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3.Arrogance - A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
4.Envy - A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
5.Entitlement - Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Any failure to comply will be considered an attack on their superiority and the perpetrator is considered to be an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
6.Exploitation - can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
7.Bad Boundaries - narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist will be treated as if they are part of the narcissist and be expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other."

Oops, seems like most points fit like a glove. Anyway, there is no need to thank me for pointing this out for you (It,s the least I can do in return for the amusement you bring to the table)
If there is something that you want me to clarify, just say the word and I adress that claim/point whatever.

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UndeadxNurse 13 Jun 2010 12:42

Why yes, Apathy. Indeed I do believe that I'm better than other Humans, in fact, I believe that I'm a Goddess.
I really do hope that you're intelligent enough to spot the sarcasm.

As for posting on behalf of Bill, I'm not posting on behalf of anyone. Assumptions will get you nowhere in this world and seeing as how your post, again, only rambled on, and on in a complete circle, going nowhere would seem to be the way you like it.

Put me in a room, make me feel as if I'm threatened and just like any other, I'll turn savage. We're a violent species and I'm most certainly no exception to this fact.

I do expect a rather mindless and childish reply, after all, that's all you've given thus far.

By the way, I like toast. It's absolutely delicious.

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Winters1 13 Jun 2010 23:01

He is back with the grammer thing he is a perfect english writer he does not take it in consideration we are not all english and dont write english very well like me for instant. If he would tell me this to my face though i probalby drop him or maybe not…Have fun wiht him guys as this is my last post here.

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Alene Y 13 Jun 2010 23:35

I wouldn't worry about it. His grammar isn't perfect either and we all make mistakes and typographical errors. I wouldn't do very well at verbal fencing in any other language.

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UndeadxNurse 14 Jun 2010 14:08

laike ohmahgawd yo mah grammarz iz da perfectoz! n diz 2012 chizzits gawt me awl bumd n stff

Sorry, I honestly… couldn't resist doing that. I tried very hard to restrain myself, but I just couldn't resist.

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Winters1 14 Jun 2010 15:56

That is why we are glad to have you with us here ;o)

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seen2009 11 Jun 2010 17:01

This topic appears to have been miss posted in the comments section when it should have been posted in debates. Since this seems to be the case, I've moved this thread to debates.

Please keep the debate polite and clean.

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Winters1 13 Jun 2010 22:50

Good you moved it he probably wont find it.