Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Summary:

Have anyone seen all this crap before? Supposedly there's a war going on between humans and reptilians (?!) that will culminate in 2012. This must, by far, be the most far-fetched claim of them all...

Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

RickardM 22 Jul 2010 10:47

http://www.think-aboutit.com/dulce/M-QUESTI.html

I guess "wow" would be the appropriate word here, or perhaps "finally" would be better. Finally as in now I know where the tin-foil idea came from. But anyhow, have anyone seen this crap before? The thing I find the most scary with this isn't the alleged experiments taking place. No, it's the fact that people actually believe in this whole-heartedly, that's beyond scary.

But the thing I wonder is; how do things like these even get fabricated in the first place? someone with a vivid imagination and far too much spare time?=)

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UndeadxNurse 25 Jul 2010 16:43

…Do they fire lasers too?

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RickardM 25 Jul 2010 18:47

No, according to my sources they have high-tech weapons similar to this:

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UndeadxNurse 25 Jul 2010 18:52

That's an awesome piece of technology!

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RickardM 25 Jul 2010 19:33

Yes, this surely proves that their technology is lightyears ahead of ours=)

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Truthseeker 27 Jul 2010 23:01

Richard, I'm glad that you're open minded and good researcher! this is not crap nor fantasy, this is reality, unfortunately 80% people don't believe in it until they see themselves from the medias, but who control the medias?

http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_dulcebook.htm

enjoy

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RickardM 28 Jul 2010 03:03

Truthseeker, I do consider myself to be open minded (sometimes even too much). But, I do believe that our beliefs differ quite a bit from eachother. At least in cases such as this. I can honestly say that I've looked through the whole Dulce book and Wingmakers page, and haven't find a single shred of material that could be considered credible evidence. All I see is a sci-fi story based on some peoples really vivid imagination. As far as I could see, there wasn't a single interview that could be taken serious. They were all flawed by the same vague tone and lack of provable facts.

That stuff, honestly, could have been written by any aspiring sci-fi author and since none have been able to even prove the existence of Dulce (or Mesa) I find it hard to take any of the claims serious. Interesting reading though=)

And all that NWO stuff… I don't really know what to make of that. I find it far fetched, to put it in mild terms.

I'm sorry if this came off as offensive, this is just my oppinions on these things.

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UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 09:51

There's quite a difference between being open-minded and allowing a fool to take advantage of you.

Lizard-people and Aliens are at the very bottom of the list of probabilities. Aliens, of course meaning the fictional kind that are visiting us.

It's purely ignorant and selfish to even assume that we're the only life in this entire Universe, considering the number of galaxies and planets similar to Mars or our own, also considering Stars much like our own.
Aliens visiting us, the Government waging war with lizard-people, The Purple People Eater exists! Things like this are completely moronic. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but that's how it is.

As for the NWO (New World Order), if there were ever an NWO, it would have been when a certain Religion began to spread and virtually take over. This has already occurred, just read a history book.

Then again, I'm hesitant to even consider something like that as a NWO.

By the way, if there's so much evidence of lizard-people and aliens.. Where are the real pictures and not the photo shopped pictures?

Give me a picture, a real picture of this so-called war between the Humans and the lizard-people and you may actually catch my interest.

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Kevin (guest) 28 Jul 2010 16:03

Really, there shouldn't even be a debate on this issue. Before you go to court, gather your evidence and show them. It's not very convincing when hand waving claims are the only thing you can come up with.

Truthseeker, congratulations for having an open mind, but be careful not to cross the line and become brainless. You can't just take any website you find on google and make it evidence. Before you even bring it onto the table, please look to see if it's credible. At 1&1.com you can get a free domain with 10GB of space, free of google ads, and 100% freedom of html/java/flash creation, for only 3.99$ a month. Payable through VISA and PayPal, so even teenagers have access. Now imagine the things you may find.

The website Richard first brought up is a personal website (or that of a group of friends). I mean just look at it, a poor HTML, with google Ads, and the entire website talks about "fictional/imaginary" things that people don't have a certain answer to.

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Truthseeker 28 Jul 2010 22:55

it's your opinion, I don't know what kind of proof, unless you see the Greys entertain with US President or CNN showing them on live ? is that your proof? you will never discover them like this
I never encountered an UFO nor E.T but after several research and stories told by scientists, doctor, professor of university etc…I believe in their existence and most likely they control our planet, I do believe and I'm open minded.
have you heard of John Lear? ex CIA pilot who had 15k hour of flight, during his "mission" he encountered many space craft, he'd been to many underground bases where Aliens live in there….
I'm also surprised that you've never heard of NWO?
do you know who are Rothchild, Rockerfeller? just to name afew…

Kevin, I'm not that stupid to copy/paste all E.T stuffs without analyzing, researching etc the difference is I'm open minded.

you belong to 80% people I mentioned above

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UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 23:40

However you are stupid enough to rip stories from UFO Files and many other Television programs ranging from UFO Files as mentioned before, to UFO Hunters. Many of these programs air on the Discovery Channel, the History Channel and National Geographic, but more-so on Discovery and History.

An experienced pilot will always see strange things during flights, whether or not they're real, is purely speculative.

Personally, I'm not impressed by hearing the same stories that I've heard a buck-toothed redneck tell on the History Channel.

If actual Alien encounters were as common as these stories make them seem, then there should be plenty of evidence to support those claims, but until I see concrete evidence that Aliens are visiting our world, I'll continue to believe that it's all for publicity, or for whatever other reason that the proponents have. Self-gratification anyone?

I can tell you with certainty that many of the pictures and videos shown on TV shows, blogs, websites, etc. Have in some form been tampered with or digitally manipulated.

It doesn't take an Einstein to see this.

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Tony (guest) 29 Jul 2010 00:21

Yeah the thing that scares me is all the stupid evidence of government cover ups. Ugh, damn these uncertanties.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 00:49

I for one would be more afraid if governments didn't have secrets. I can't follow the logic that the whole population should have access to all the governments activities. THAT would be a cause for concern

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Tony (guest) 29 Jul 2010 13:53

Yeah but not aliens and U.F.O. secrets. I don't know what to think of that wikipedia article.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 23:14

"Such theories are often intentionally hoaxed, and are backed by little or no evidence, and absolutely no reliable evidence despite significant research on the subject by non-governmental scientific agencies"

From the very same article. Doesn't sound all that convincing to be honest. If I were you I would disregard that article. Granted, it gives a fairly good overview of the whole UFO phenomena, but you have to remember that every input in the article has been independently debunked. As I said to Truthseeker before, if they are indeed superior to us then why would they need to hide?

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3WMElliott 29 Jul 2010 23:30

if they are indeed superior to us then why would they need to hide?

Must be the prime directive.

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RickardM 30 Jul 2010 00:57

Yeah, that must be it=) Btw, very nice job on the Youtube page. Just about finished?

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3WMElliott 30 Jul 2010 01:22

I don't know of anything new to add. Might need tweaking, probably a links section.

At least there's content there though. Tis a start.

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Astrogeek 30 Jul 2010 01:24

I'll take a look, and probably publish it on the sidebar later today.

Thank you for building that page. I appreciate it. My current schedule and job situation has not left me with a lot of time to build out the pages. Thank you for doing this.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 00:29

it's your opinion, I don't know what kind of proof, unless you see the Greys entertain with US President or CNN showing them on live ? is that your proof? you will never discover them like this

So basically what you are saying is that I'm not going to find out the truth if I expect credible evidence? Don't you find that a little contradictory?

I never encountered an UFO nor E.T but after several research and stories told by scientists, doctor, professor of university etc…I believe in their existence and most likely they control our planet, I do believe and I'm open minded.

Neither have I, nor have I found anything whatsoever that could constitute as evidence about their existence. Of course, it would be utterly ignorant to think that we are the only intelligent life in universe… But I highly doubt they exist within our realm, much less on this planet. As for them controlling our planet, I really don't know how to address that since you and I have a quite different grasp of what credible evidence is.

There is, however, one thing I would like you to contemplate on: If Greys or Draconian were in fact superior to us, and controlled our planet, why would they need to hide in an underground base in New Mexico? Disregard the Dulce stories, use your common sense instead. WHY would they even need to hide their existence if they were our masters?

have you heard of John Lear? ex CIA pilot who had 15k hour of flight, during his "mission" he encountered many space craft, he'd been to many underground bases where Aliens live in there….

I am actually quite familiar with John Lear, and all his "experiences". Here is a Q&A with him that you might find interesting: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79666/pg1
I have to say though, he even admits to being a fraud and all photos that he and James Casbolt published has been proven fake. Thus, they have about as much credibility as the whole Dulce book = none

Yet again you make an assumption about me based on some single lines. I never said I didn't know of the NWO, only that I found it "far-fetched to put it in mild terms". I have a quite good insight into the Masonic society, especially the Swedish Rite, and know for a fact that some claims made about them is bordeline hilarious when you see what they as a society are really about. And as far as I'm concerned their part in the NWO crackpottery is non-existing (as all other "secret societies" as well) In short, the NWO has about as much factual basis as the whole Dulce story, i.e. none…

Kevin, I'm not that stupid to copy/paste all E.T stuffs without analyzing, researching etc the difference is I'm open minded.

I would never accuse you of being stupid, but I would dare to say that you haven't analyzed this whole story all that well. If you had, then you would have found some of the statements of the sole persons behind the Dulce book stating that they were deliberately lying. You would also have found several Ufologists that have ventured to Dulce to find the answers, and stated that there is nothing more than just the San Juan power plant there.

The whole scenario is quite laughable if you think of it. They interviewed civilians there, and when they said that they've never heard of any alien underground base there, then they use that as evidence. Once again, the lack of evidence is as convincing as real evidence to them. Isn't that strange?

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Truthseeker 29 Jul 2010 02:16

So basically what you are saying is that I'm not going to find out the truth if I expect credible evidence? Don't you find that a little contradictory?

I never said that, you want physical proof you will never find

WHY would they even need to hide their existence if they were our masters?

this is exactly I ask myself once I discovered their existence, they use mind control also I mentioned earlier in an other thread, government signed a secret treaty under Pres Eiseihower ….

NWO has about as much factual basis as the whole Dulce story, i.e. none…

they do exist and you don't believe in their existence, I went to point out Alex Jones, ok he's a disinfo agent but he explained every thing about NWO plan and secrete societies etc

You would also have found several Ufologists that have ventured to Dulce to find the answers, and stated that there is nothing more than just the San Juan power plant there.

this is funny, the same ufologists confirmed different levels under Dulce where they have some weird labs experimenting on animals/ humans , I don't have the link out of hand right now.

They interviewed civilians there, and when they said that they've never heard of any alien underground base there,

this is also funny, the local Indians from Archeluta mesa confirmed the in/out of the space craft with blinking light etc…I think we have not come across the same witness LOL

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 02:56

I never said that, you want physical proof you will never find

Okey, so I will not be able to find any physical evidence of their existence? Doesn't that sound an awful lot like as if there isn't any physical evidence? And if there isn't any physical evidence one might be inclined to think that the lack of evidence perhaps could pass as evidence of the absence of aliens on this planet, wouldn't you say?

this is exactly I ask myself once I discovered their existence, they use mind control also I mentioned earlier in an other thread, government signed a secret treaty under Pres Eiseihower ….

Do you even bother to think before you write? This alien lifeform can manipulate any human being via mind control, yet they feel the need to hide in underground bunkers. Doesn't that strike you as the least bit odd? Why not go public and just enslave us all?

they do exist and you don't believe in their existence, I went to point out Alex Jones, ok he's a disinfo agent but he explained every thing about NWO plan and secrete societies etc

I'll give you half a point for that one since you got the last part right. Yet again I feel inclined to ask you if you even bother to think things through before you write. Apparently, our view of credible sources is like night and day. Just a piece of advice, if you want to make a source look credible don't label him as a disinfo agent the first thing you do. The NWO crap has been around for as long as there has been government (in one form or the other)…

As for the secret societies part… I've seen what has been said about the Masonic society for example, and KNOW that most things that circulate out there is pure bulls**t. Can you say the same? Would you recognize truth if stumbled upon it?

this is funny, the same ufologists confirmed different levels under Dulce where they have some weird labs experimenting on animals/ humans , I don't have the link out of hand right now.

Perhaps you'd care to support that statement with some pictures of this underground base? Or a link to the disclosure of this base and the things going on there?

this is also funny, the local Indians from Archeluta mesa confirmed the in/out of the space craft with blinking light etc…I think we have not come across the same witness LOL

Yes, you are correct. Some did indeed confirm that there were some very strange things going on at the Mesa/Dulce complex, and did later on admit to lying just to atract gullible UFO-searchers. You can look that part up if you like, they even butchered and mutilated a cow to prove the gruesome experiments that were going on deep down under the powerplant (which also have been admited).

Don't you find it a bit strange that James Casbolt and John Lear (a) couldn't come up with some real footage of the Dulce base even though theyhad been there several times and/or (b) find it strange that they are still alive? The latter, wouldn't the government have killed them ages ago because of what they know? Isn't that how the story goes? The government leaves no loose ends, yet these two morons is aloud to continue telling the whole world about the terrible Dulce facility

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Truthseeker 30 Jul 2010 03:56

I enjoy our debate, you make sense with your own belief, it's about perception

And if there isn't any physical evidence one might be inclined to think that the lack of evidence perhaps could pass as evidence of the absence of aliens on this planet, wouldn't you say?

no, it's not because you don't see them it doesn't mean they don't exist
why E Mitchell / NASA Astronaute admitted existence of E.T?

Why not go public and just enslave us all?

how do they go to public ? through the medias, will government let them do it?

if you want to make a source look credible don't label him as a disinfo agent the first thing you do.

you didn't understand, he's disinfo agent not on everything, some of his news are true and untrue or not verified etc

The NWO crap has been around for as long as there has been government (in one form or the other)…

NWO or ILLUMINATI from what I understand there is a group of rich people who control the medias,government,corporates,finance,they are extremely wealthy all they want is power: The Royal family from Britain, The Rosthchild , Rockefeller, Onassis etc…
have you heard of Bildenburg group? or Council on Foreign relation ? who belongs to these organisations and what do they do there? spend sometimes in this link, almost from A to Z of ILLUMINATI etc

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secretsocietyindex.htm

what W Bush was doing with skull & bones , how come this reporter T Russert died lol ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY-0OMAqNqI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzPOL9wGBk&feature=related

do you want some more links?

Perhaps you'd care to support that statement with some pictures of this underground base?

yes, even video like a movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5-yW3hb8Sc

The latter, wouldn't the government have killed them ages ago because of what they know? Isn't that how the story goes?

I agree J Casbolt was fake, why don't they kill A Jones about 9/11 ?

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RickardM 30 Jul 2010 05:57

I enjoy our debate, you make sense with your own belief, it's about perception

I would like to disagree on the last part here. It's not about perception, it's about sanity. What you presented in the previous post was nothing short of hilarious. You claim to seek the truth, and to "research" regarding these subjects. Yet you somehow manages to fall for every hoax that is available out there. How come?

no, it's not because you don't see them it doesn't mean they don't exist why E Mitchell / NASA Astronaute admitted existence of E.T?

Kind of like the Boogeyman? And Edgar Mitchell… Phil Plait has some good points regarding him and his statements: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/26/ed-mitchell-going-to-the-moon-doesnt-mean-youre-right/

how do they go to public ? through the medias, will government let them do it?

So you mean that Fran Drescher can manage to lay her hands on prime time airing, but not these high-tech super aliens? I must admit that I don't follow your logic there. How could the government possibly stop them if they are waaay more evolved than us?

you didn't understand, he's disinfo agent not on everything, some of his news are true and untrue or not verified etc

Oh but I did understand. You tell me that I should trust a liar because he could tell an occasional truth?

NWO or ILLUMINATI from what I understand there is a group of rich people who control the medias,government,corporates,finance,they are extremely wealthy all they want is power: The Royal family from Britain, The Rosthchild , Rockefeller, Onassis etc… have you heard of Bildenburg group? or Council on Foreign relation ? who belongs to these organisations and what do they do there? spend sometimes in this link, almost from A to Z of ILLUMINATI etc

I've heard of all these groups and societies, but I fail to see where you are going with this. It's the same as all other societies. And the Illuminati… 1. They don't exist anymore 2. They were scientists, and not all that powerful (if you disregard Icke)

do you want some more links?

Actually no, I think I'll be okey anyway. What you have managed to do is to dig up some reeeally far-fetched videos on secret societies. If you only could bother to venture away from your comfortzone (i.e. Youtube) and do some actual research. But then the results might not be all that fascinating, which is kind of a bummer huh?

I'm more or less convinced that you don't want to do some serious research on these topics because the result might be to mundane. Am I right?

yes, even video like a movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5-yW3hb8Sc

Are you serious now? No, you can't be… Or?

I asked you for evidence of Dulces existence and you bring this? It's a shaky videoclip taken from a Japanese UFO documentary, which Thomas Costello had no problems to make his own. And the copyright infringement case that followed was absolutelly not linked to the fact that they (can't remember which channel now, can get back) felt that he had taken advantage of their "investment" (the set and the fake aliens).

I agree J Casbolt was fake, why don't they kill A Jones about 9/11 ?

Perhaps for the same reason as why they don't kill Bob Lazar, he simply doesn't know anything worth killing him for=) Doubt the government goes around and whack people on a daily basis either.

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Truthseeker 31 Jul 2010 02:01

Yet you somehow manages to fall for every hoax that is available out there. How come?

this is your hoax not mine

Phil Plait has some good points regarding him and his statements

who said P Plait is the most reliable source? why should I trust him more than E Mitchell? you don't believe in my source I don't believe yours

they're way evolved, how do you want to see them?

I should trust a liar because he could tell an occasional truth?

without A Jones I will never find the truth about 9/11

but I fail to see where you are going with this.

you are the one who mentioned masonic

If you only could bother to venture away from your comfortzone (i.e. Youtube)

yes youtube shows W Bush interview and youtube show thousands of spacecraft,oh yes they were all fabricated

you don't want to do some serious research on these topics because the result might be to mundane. Am I right?

in fact you're wrong, I've done enough research and proof to believe them

I asked you for evidence of Dulces existence

what kind of evidence?you're saying Costello never worked in this Dulce base?

Bob Lazar,

who says B Lazar tells the truth about Alien ? lol
by the way, why P Schneider was killed in a strange circumtances when he disclosed underground bases he was involved?

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TheGreatJuju 31 Jul 2010 03:18

you don't believe in my source I don't believe yours

IOW, you don't need no stinkin' evidence.

yes youtube shows W Bush interview and youtube show thousands of spacecraft,oh yes they were all fabricated

Fabricated or creatively interpreted, yes.

"See them blurry blobs out yonder? Them's aliens!"

I've done enough research and proof to believe them

Yet, curiously, this "research" and "proof" seem exceptionally difficult for you to convey to others.

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RickardM 31 Jul 2010 13:00

this is your hoax not mine

Exactly which hoax are we talking about now? You have managed to dig up several during your stay here=)

who said P Plait is the most reliable source? why should I trust him more than E Mitchell?

Okey, lets believe Edgar Mitchell instead. He claims the aliens to be benovolent, does that support your claims of a brutal alien species that does experiments on humans?

you don't believe in my source I don't believe yours. they're way evolved, how do you want to see them?

Fair enough. Just out of curiousity, how many aliens have you met? Or scratch that, I forgot that you know this for a fact since you have seen Youtube videos of them. Good job on digging up the most reliable sources.

without A Jones I will never find the truth about 9/11

Yet again that depends on your definition of truth. Obviously it differs somewhat from the general public. But then again, that must be bacause you are waaay above us when it comes to this stuff, right?

you are the one who mentioned masonic

Yes, so what?

yes youtube shows W Bush interview and youtube show thousands of spacecraft,oh yes they were all fabricated

Nooo, ofcourse they aren't. It's common knowledge that the government lets all their secret show up there. Why? Because they simply can't stop the awesome power of Youtube-teens.

in fact you're wrong, I've done enough research and proof to believe them

Again, that depends solely on your definition of "research" and "proof". What you choose to believe in is your problem, but don't EVER come and claim that what you have presented is proof/evidence.

Spot on. That is exactly what I'm saying. Of course someone named Thomas E Costello existed (there are 1000+ listed in the US). But did anyone of them work on the base described in Dulce books? No, since it never existed.

Regarding the evidence… I think we can drop that issue, since we seem to have a considerably different view on what constitutes as evidence. If I say I want evidence you will just come dragging with yet another handfull of grainy Youtube videos, and to me that doesn't suffice as evidence.

who says B Lazar tells the truth about Alien ? lol

by the way, why P Schneider was killed in a strange circumtances when he disclosed underground bases he was involved?

Who says anyone else does?

Regarding Schneider:

"The contents of his lectures are unverifiable, and remain to be considered claims made by Schneider" and "Phil Schneider's death is considered to be a murder by his ex-wife"

I'll leave it up to you to find the source of that;) Isn't it a little coincidal that he disclosed all his information right after the book of Dulce was published? Doesn't it seem a lot like someone who is just riding on the success of the fictional story that Dulce is? And no, you don't need to answer that either.

Seriously, what do you say about just letting this discussion stop right here? Since we obviously have different views on evidence in general, and Dulce more specific, I don't see how either one of us is going to get something out of this discussion. In general I wouldn't recommend anyone visiting ATS, but since your interrests seem to be more suiting for their forum I'm going to make an exception. Here is a forum that you might get the responses that you are looking for: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/24/pg1/srtpages

Good luck

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Truthseeker 02 Aug 2010 01:55

I never said all E.T are malevolent, I just replied to your Dulce hence the ones who are there did some weird experiment on human/animals, some benevolent like Nordic Tall blond etc

you have seen Youtube videos of them. Good job on digging up the most reliable sources.

I believe in youtube instead of waiting for the medias to show the Aliens, this is brainwashed

Because they simply can't stop the awesome power of Youtube-teens.

what a shame I didn't add one of the youtube into my favorites where the head of the US military was interviewed by A Jones(after 9/11) " if they murder you/A Jones and me Chief military , everybody will know …"

dragging with yet another handfull of grainy Youtube videos, and to me that doesn't suffice as evidence.

youtube is free, where else you get information? again, are you waiting to see CNN broadcasting Aliens to constitute evidence? who control the medias?

but since your interrests seem to be more suiting for their forum

yes I'm an ATS member, the only place I've found out some interesting stuffs, there are some good debunkers with good info
good luck to you too with your view on evidence

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Kevin (guest) 02 Aug 2010 03:12

To be honest, your view of evidence is very very absurd.

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Kevin (guest) 29 Jul 2010 02:22

Let's not get into an argument here. We all have the right to believe what we want. In this case, Richard and I share the same understanding regarding UFO/alien/NWO related things. Truthseeker, I still want you to provide evidence before making claims or passing on claims. You believing them doesn't mean we believe them.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 03:02

You are absolutelly correct Kevin, and I'm sorry if I came off as offensive in my posts. I do however agree that one persons beliefs isn't nearly enough to pass as evidence, and unsubstantiated claims tend to be just that, one persons beliefs…

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UndeadxNurse 29 Jul 2010 03:12

I offer my apologies in advance, but anyone who truly believes that lizard-people and aliens exist within our realm and live in underground bunkers and control us via mind-control needs psychological therapy.

Enough said.

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Truthseeker 30 Jul 2010 04:06

I still want you to provide evidence before making claims or passing on claims. You believing them doesn't mean we believe them.

Kevin, that's all I have link for you, T Costello former security guard at Dulce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5-yW3hb8Sc
I have many website about T Costello since you don't believe them I'm not bothered

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Truthseeker 30 Jul 2010 04:08

sorry it was already posted

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/DulceMatrix.html

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Kevin (guest) 30 Jul 2010 07:15

Truthseeker,

I have to say you did go out of your way to look at all this stuff. However, I am not convinced.
The youtube video:
1. No sound
2.Blurry, can't make out anything, except "hints" of things in containers. Who knows what they could have been?
3. The source of that video? Came from a website called The Dulce Base, and if you look hard enough, there is a menu on the very top of the page that's trying to sell books and CDs. (Not to mention that is a personal website with personal opinions. Who knows where that person got the video from? Heck he might even have made it himself)
4. Could have been altered, it's on youtube…
5. The logic of that video. Let's, for the moment, say that this was "real." How would the government let this video leak on youtube and have people comment away? You can argue that "oh if the government tries to stop it or take it off the web, it would be too obvious!" But on the other hand, the same people from above whine about governments hiding the truth! To me, that's just plain stupid and childish, you can't be on both sides of the argument and expect to win. If you are one of them, you are trying too hard.

I'm sure there are more flaws about that video. Makes me wonder, do you seriously go through and think about your "evidence" before posting them here?

The website:
Fan made. Prove? (their claims don't count)

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Kevin (guest) 30 Jul 2010 07:16

P.S. Keep digging, maybe one day I will be convinced.

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Truthseeker 31 Jul 2010 02:26

How would the government let this video leak on youtube and have people comment away?

is your question really serious ? how many videos leak about government secrecy?
the below video, if the author doesn't encounter or has knowledge of Aliens how can he fabricate them? just to make fun of us to make this video?
what type of proof you want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

Kevin (guest) 31 Jul 2010 02:50

Ok, Truthseeker, are you "proofs" serious? And you ask me if I'm being serious. Why did you post the video? If it's not presented as poof. Is it just for some laughs? If it's not "leaked", then how did they get that video? They made it? Then how does it serve as proof to any of your claims?
I just lost all my interest in your claims. Seems like the "proof" we are talking about differs in our eyes.

Re: Dulce N.M. - Are these people serious?

UndeadxNurse 31 Jul 2010 08:13

is your question really serious ? how many videos leak about government secrecy?

Not the brightest Crayon in the box, are you?

First you say that the government will never admit to lizard-people or aliens, and they will never let any evidence leak about the existence of these beings. Now you're hinting that leaked proof of these beings are common.

Allow me to slap you and give you some much needed perspective..

If the government was truly as you think they are, you would have been dead before you even mentioned anything about lizard-people or aliens. That, Sir, is a fact.

what type of proof you want?

Indisputable evidence. The kind of evidence where the pictures aren't terribly blurry, pixelated or Photo-shopped. If you don't know what "Photo-shopped" is, Google it.

I can go outside, right now and take a picture of a Barrel. I can paint said barrel to look like a toxic waste barrel and I can take a picture of said barrel with the lid open, however I can also make it seem as if there's something inside said barrel, when in fact, there's nothing inside at all.

Grainy picture? Easy. Cellular camera's have the best picture quality for those mysterious pictures that are nothing more than something that we see on a daily basis.

Common sense. You should try it some time.

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