A personal message

Summary:

YouTube user fanjeffhardy drops me a note

A personal message

Astrogeek 27 Jul 2010 17:46

I received a personal message in my YouTube inbox this morning. The original message can be viewed here. The text of the message reads:

Hello,

i just want to tell how dumb you are 2012 is real , or even 2013 maybe , and Nibirus dwarf star is right under our equator right now , please shut down your 2012hoax website its just giving out more fake info about the coming disasters.

thanks mate.
tc.

Here is the text of my reply:

If you think that a "dwarf star" is "right under our equator" you should be able to give me coordinates.

Do you have the coordinates (Right Ascension and Declination)?

There are hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers in the world. If an object was there, then somebody would be able to see it, unless you are proposing that *all* amateur astronomers worldwide are somehow 'in on it'.

Please provide a set of coordinates, or at least the name of the constellation that this object would be in, and I'll put a scope on it. If it's there, I will immediately shut down 2012hoax.org.

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Re: A personal message

RickardM 27 Jul 2010 18:13

Will be nice to finally get some cordinates on it=)

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Re: A personal message

Cameron (guest) 27 Jul 2010 18:28

Someone needs to show him also that the creator of Nibiru wishes not to be linked with 2012. He states nothing will happen in 2012 and that people are using his writings to make up their own beliefs.

The idea that a planet is to arrive two years from now is a product of Nancy Leider's imagination…and she has shown to be dead wrong in various situations in the past. Unlike Sitchin, Nancy could not do a serious interview with anyone without the skeptic cracking a smile (at least).

Re: A personal message

Truthseeker 27 Jul 2010 23:18

Astrogeek, could you pls provide the link of your youtube?

Re: A personal message

Astrogeek 28 Jul 2010 17:59

sure, although there's not much on it.

I was referring to the youtube account I opened up under the 2012hoax.org account, which is:

http://www.youtube.com/user/2012hoaxdotorg

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Re: A personal message

ticktock 28 Jul 2010 06:40

Guess we just learned that Australian Middle-Schoolers can also ride the short bus to school.

Re: A personal message

UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 09:56

And just what is wrong with riding the short-bus?
I ride the short-bus, lick the windows AND wear a helmet.
It's quite difficult to lick that window with a helmet…

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Astrogeek 29 Jul 2010 17:03

Here is today's communique from my penpal:

Hello,

Cant You Understand That It Is being Hidden By The Sun And Its Under The Equator Right Now , As For , And Those Cordinates Would Have Changed By Now But You Can Check Them Up If You Wish On Whatever Site Like Google Sky Or Sky-Map On The Net For Yourself And View Nibirus Star.

I Also Sent An E-mail To David Morrison Of NASA Asking Him To give His Opinion Of The Star And The CME's From The Star On The Stereo Behind HI1 Satellite . He Has NOT Replied As Of Yet And ITs being 48 Hours From Now.

The Bible Says That When The World Ends/Is Coming To An End/WorldWide Disaster , Most Of The People Will Not Know And Therefore You Are Contibuting To That Cause.

"Why oh why don't I understand?" he asks… perhaps I'm immune to nonsense? Well, no, I'm as guilty of gullibility and fuzzy thinking as the next guy. Perhaps I'm just immune to this nonsense.

So, a brief recap:

He emails me, telling me how dumb I am, and to shut down the website because it is "giving out fake info."

I respond asking for coordinates.

He replies supplying coordinates, but also claiming that it is not visible from earth right now.

I put a scope on the coordinates, and reported that there was no object there.

Now he is claiming it is not there, reiterating his claim that it is below the equator

So, here is my latest reply:

The idea that it is hidden by the sun has been the claim since 2003, when Nancy Lieder first ripped off Zecharia Sitchin's "nibiru" idea. Sitchin, by the way, does not want to be associated with the 2012 nonsense. Of course, his ideas are just as non-sensical.

Why would Google Sky or Sky-Maps or WikiSky or the Microsoft WorldWide Telescope (which all use imagery from the DSS and SDSS surveys) show the position of this non-existent object? You realize that the imagery on those sites is static, right? They are not live images.

Don't expect a reply from David Morrison. He receives hundreds of emails like yours every month. To date he has received over 2,500 emails regarding Nibiru, Planet X or 2012. Also don't be surprised if (in the event that he does answer you) he refers you back to 2012hoax.org. He's aware of our site, and has referred to it in some of his public presentations.

What the Bible actually says is that nobody knows the day or hour. Not "only a few" or "one or two" but "nobody".

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Re: Can't you understand?

Astrogeek 29 Jul 2010 17:07

hm… that's bizzare. I expected this to thread after the other one..

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Tony (guest) 29 Jul 2010 17:40

So what he is claiming is that Nibiru is an actual star? Like…another sun? He said it has CME's….

Really?? I think Mercury would be on fire by now.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 19:01

I Also Sent An E-mail To David Morrison Of NASA Asking Him To give His Opinion Of The Star And The CME's From The Star On The Stereo Behind HI1 Satellite . He Has NOT Replied As Of Yet And ITs being 48 Hours From Now.

Haha, now I know where he gets his info from: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread574914/pg16
That is as taken from the ongoing discussion over there.

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Astrogeek 29 Jul 2010 21:27

The nonsense in that thread is extreme…

Here's an image of the fields of view of the Heliospheric Imagers (HI) cameras on the stereo spacecraft. Each spacecraft has two of these, with different fields of view, and aimed at different angles away from the sun. On each spacecraft HI-1 has a 20-degree FOV that grazes (about 4 degrees off) the sun. HI-2 has a 70-degree FOV that overlaps the FOV from HI-1 and encompasses Earth. The idea is to get a 3-dimensional picture of the CMEs that the cameras are looking for.

Here is an image showing the positions of the STEREO spacecraft on July 11, and here it is on July 26th.

What do we notice? On July 11th, both Venus and Earth are in the FOV of Stereo B, and Venus, Mars and Earth are in the FOV of Stereo A. By July 26th Stereo A also sees Mercury, and Venus has crossed the FOV of HI-1 on Stereo B. In addition (but not shown) Saturn is in the FOV of STEREO-A and Jupiter is in the FOV of STEREO-B.

All of this can be confirmed at http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/where/make_where_gif.php

Second point, the HI instruments are designed to pick up the very faint CMEs against the background of stars. As such, they are very susceptible to picking up pretty much anything in their FOV, all the way down to Mag 12 stars.

The so-called 'CME' is just a lens flare caused by the brightness of Venus. Remember that the HI instruments go down to Mag 12 in sensitivity. Also look at the so-called 'CME' from the first part of the video… I've never seen a CME explode inward.

Both of these so called CMEs are not, but rather they are reflections from Venus.

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The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 28 Jul 2010 17:18

So, I expected this guy to vanish into thin air, but he actually replied with a set of coordinates:

Yes , Absolutely.

The Cordinates For The Dwarf Star Of Planet Nibiru Are :-

09h 47m 58s , +13° 12′ 31.7″.

Those Are The Cordinates For The Dwarf Star Of Planet Nibiru Which is currently in Our Solar System.

Please , Shut Down Your Website As It's Only Misleading More And More People Mate , Please Understand The Gravity Of This Situation , Please.

Take Care.

This turns out to be a region very close to the current position of Mercury (at least last night), kind of out between Mercury and the Sun, in between Cancer and Leo.

So, tonight I will perform an exercise in futility and put a scope on that spot. Oh, but it gets better. I replied to him thusly:

OK, right away you've got a problem. That location is not "below the equator" as you described. In fact, it is between the Sun and Mercury, and is actually very close to Mercury's current position.

Regardless, I will put a scope on that location tonight just after sunset.

How bright will this object be? How close to the Sun is it? Is it currently superior to Earth, or is it down close to the orbits of Venus or Mercury?

And he replied:

It is Nibirus Dwarf Star And yes Its between The Sun And The First Plane Mercury Obviously , But It Is Not Visible To Earth As Of Yet Until October This Year Probably . But Those Are The Correct Cordinates Of The Object.

And This Object Will Probably Be Very Very Bright Once Visible.

Please Understand The Gravity of This situation and Shut Down Your Website , Please.

So, there's no real point since it is "… It Is Not Visible To Earth As Of Yet Until October This Year Probably."

Regardless, I will go through the exercise, and report the results here. Notice how he skipped over answering the rest of my questions, which are kind of essential if we are to track this 'object'.

My reply to him a few minutes ago was:

So you have sent me the coordinates to an invisible object?

And you want me to shut down my website because there's an invisible object, that you say is there?

Um… No.

How can this be? What would make this object invisible? Why do you think there is an object there? What evidence can you present to show that an object exists at those coordinates?

So, we'll see. I'm not expecting too much, really.

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Re: The conversation continues...

UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 17:40

The issue with this guys theory is an age-old issue which is simply the power of suggestion, even we effect ourselves with the power of suggestion.

If he truly believes that he will see something in October, then he's going to see something, whether it's truly there, or not. He may mistake a star that he's never seen, or others may do the same. Simply because they're looking too hard and wanting something to be there, despite their fears of the idea.

It's psychology 101. Believe it and it will happen, or at least in your mind.

I expect to see a real zombie by the year 2020.
Now, if someone calls me a nerd, or a geek for wanting to see such an abomination, or if they say that it doesn't exist, then perhaps these people should take a look at their very own theories.
Lizard-people? Aliens? Magical planets?

Zombies are a much easier science fiction character to bring to reality.

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Re: The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 28 Jul 2010 17:44

As I was looking into the air
I saw a planet that wasn’t there.
It wasn’t there again today.
I wish, I wish it would go away.

With apologies to Hughes Mearns

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Re: The conversation continues...

UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 17:49

As I was looking into the air I saw a planet that wasn’t there. It wasn’t there again today. I wish, I wish it would go away.

Ooooh, you sly Fox, you! I see what you did there!

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Re: The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 28 Jul 2010 17:55

Ooooh, you sly Fox, you! I see what you did there!

Butchered a perfectly good children's rhyme?

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Re: The conversation continues...

UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 17:56

Yes! Exactly that!

But I do admit, you did it very nicely.

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Re: The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 29 Jul 2010 03:29

I'm regretting not saving that little ditty for this moment…

I just posted this in reply to our friend:

scope? check.

clear view of the eastern sky? check.

Venus visible? check.

Mercury visible? check.

Nibiru visible? nope.
I guess the website stays up.

I can't say that I'm surprised.

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Re: The conversation continues...

Tony (guest) 28 Jul 2010 18:08

Isn't mercury visible to Earth now?

If a planet were that close to the sun, wouldn't it be extremely bright? Or is he saying that Mercury is blocking Niburu? In that case, wouldn't it either have to be smaller than Mercury in order for Mercury to eclipse it…or be so close to the sun that it would be impossible NOT to notice it?

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Astrogeek 28 Jul 2010 18:20

Yes, if you know when and where and how to look. Mercury is diving back into the sunset right now, so it's fairly hard to see unless you have an unobstructed eastern view.

It is possible for an object to be 'between' mercury and the sun from our viewpoint, but be very distant. That's why I asked that question about where it was with regard to the orbits. If the object was near the orbit of Jupiter, its apparent motion across the sky would be fairly slow, and it would shortly be eclipsed by the sun as the sun continues it's apparent eastward trek across the sky.

Regardless, a 'dwarf star' would be as big as (and actually just a bit bigger than) Jupiter, even though it would have many times the mass of Jupiter. See http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect20/h_planet_dwarf_compare_02,0.jpg

So we're looking for an object that is between 2-5 Jupiter radii, but is somehow magically invisible. Fun!

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Re: The conversation continues...

RickardM 28 Jul 2010 18:35

How can this be? What would make this object invisible? Why do you think there is an object there? What evidence can you present to show that an object exists at those coordinates?

I think, although I'm not entirely sure, that these cordinates was used in one of Jcattera's videos before. If so, that would explain how he came up with those cordinates.

However, aren't these cordinates way too far away for a planet that is supposed to be here in two years?

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TheGreatJuju 28 Jul 2010 21:55

However, aren't these cordinates way too far away for a planet that is supposed to be here in two years?

RA/Dec coordinates don't convey distance, but simply a location in the sky. However, an object that is Jupiter-size or greater and currently unseen could not be here in two years unless it is approaching impossible velocity and following a path that defies reality as we know it, never mind other considerations like the magical absence of gravity.

It's also funny how this fanjeffhardy character says, "And This Object Will Probably Be Very Very Bright Once Visible." So … completely invisible, then *poof* very, very bright. And this is supposed to happen by October.

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Re: The conversation continues...

UndeadxNurse 28 Jul 2010 23:48

I'll be sure to have my 25 cent telescope ready to see this magical planet appear.

If it does appear, I imagine it to be similar to the old Pokemon Snorlax

A wild Snorlax appears!

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Re: The conversation continues...

TheGreatJuju 29 Jul 2010 08:18

From this day forward, whenever I hear or read a claim about Nibiru or Planet X, I shall silently replace it with "Snorlax." Heck, maybe I'll replace it with "Snorlax" outright. Puts things in perspective.

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RickardM 29 Jul 2010 00:35

Aha, I see.. As I said before, my knowledge of astronomy is close to non-existing, so sorry for the stupid questions=)

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Re: The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 29 Jul 2010 03:31

That wouldn't be surprising. jcaterra seems to depend on STEREO imagery, which routinely sees the inner planets. Depending on when it was, jcaterra could have been seeing either Mercury or Venus.

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3WMElliott 29 Jul 2010 20:17

Could have been seeing outer planets too, but jcattera, among others, can't even be bothered to click a few links on the very same STEREO website where you get the imagery that teaches you what to look out for.

His latest claim is a CME is on it's way. His CME is a ring reflection caused by Venus leaving the field of view.

Still, YouTube, gotta love it. Always an argument to be had.

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Mike Poulin (guest) 21 Aug 2010 22:57

So this JeffHardy fan guy says Nibiru will be visible by October I'll be looking for it, This JeffHardy fan guy seems very very dumb Nibiru doesn't exist that's why we can't see it and it's not hiding anywhere.

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Astrogeek 21 Aug 2010 23:03

The problem is that we cannot expect the "true believers" to suddenly see the error of their ways when one of their predictions falls through. They will explain it away, and pick a new date and start again. In the case of these guys, who are obviously pointing their cameras at Venus, or other solar system objects, they will claim that they did see Nibiru.

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Mike Poulin (guest) 22 Aug 2010 22:49

Nibiru doesn't exist plain and simple if we haven't seen it by now it's not going to come it doesn't exist and if it did i believe Moo has pointed out and if it was exactly as big as people claim we'd all be dead already.

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UndeadxNurse 23 Aug 2010 01:50

You should never trust an idiot who feels the need to capitalize every single word in an entire paragraph or, sentence.

Just saying.

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Kevin (guest) 23 Aug 2010 04:38

They do it because it makes them feel powerful, serious, and credible. It's kind of like "aha! my words are bigger than yours!"

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Astrogeek 23 Aug 2010 06:38

See, I wondered about that. I particularly wondered about that when I re-read the rants page.

Kind of makes you go "Hmmmmm?"

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Kevin (guest) 23 Aug 2010 09:20

It's a spam I would say. It's a typical spam type of thing. Have you ever gotten e-mail that has its contents written like that? I have gotten lots. One thing they all want in common is: they want your attention.

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UndeadxNurse 25 Aug 2010 01:41

So We Should Type Like This Because It Is More Intelligent Than Anything That You Could Ever Type And Because It Makes Us Look Cool Because We Know How To Use Shift A Lot.

Yeah.. No, if I want someone's attention, I'll just do what I always do and hit them in the head with a ping pong ball.

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Re: The conversation continues...

Astrogeek 25 Aug 2010 05:12

A golf ball works better.

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Re: The conversation continues...

Kevin (guest) 25 Aug 2010 08:32

I say baseball.

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UndeadxNurse 25 Aug 2010 08:36

Nope! Ping pong ball, because they bounce better. It's all about my own amusement. I break out the golf ball and the baseball when I'm mad at them, sometimes a bowling ball.

And speaking of a bowling ball, I went bowling a couple of days ago, it was a terrible night, my own doomsday, if you will..
I went to roll the ball, tossed it the wrong way, broke something in the building and my friend and I had to pay for it.

Is this a sign of a doomsday in 2012? I surely hope not.

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