SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Darren Conah (guest) 11 Aug 2010 15:19

Hi guys,

im from england and suffer heavily with depression and anxiety. I have been petrified for over 6 months now, and this last week it has gone to a whole new level, i am now no longer eating and can feel myself on a slippery slope again.

I have been researching nibiru, and making myself worse, what is making me feel worse, is the fact that people in australia, on forums, are now saying that they can see this planet, and are even posting photos, its making me really consider life. TheY are also saying that the sky is brighter at night than usual, AND THE PLANET CAN BE SEEN IN BOTH DAY AND NIGHT!!!

i am no longer leaving the house after reading these articles, can any body shed some light on the recent pictures and articles that are being written? please, really need help as i fear what i may do!!

Darren

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Darren Conah (guest) 11 Aug 2010 15:29

also sorry to post again. but some astronomers are saying planets where nibiru are brighter than ever and thats a sign also.

thank you any body who can help me!!!!

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TheGreatJuju 11 Aug 2010 15:45

is the fact that people in australia, on forums, are now saying that they can see this planet, and are even posting photos, its making me really consider life.

Can you provide links to these photos and forums? I can't deal with a specific claim if I don't even know what it is.

That said, various users have addressed claims like this many times on this board alone, and there is a great article on the site, courtesy of Astrogeek, bikenbeer and others, that debunks Nibiru on the basis of Kepler's laws. Also, a new page titled "YouTube" was recently added to deal with Nibiru claims in the form of videos and photos.

TheY are also saying that the sky is brighter at night than usual, AND THE PLANET CAN BE SEEN IN BOTH DAY AND NIGHT!!!

That really sounds ridiculous, but again, you're going to have to provide a link to the content in question before anyone can respond to it in detail.

can any body shed some light on the recent pictures and articles that are being written?

Gladly, if you will provide links to the material in question.

but some astronomers are saying planets where nibiru are brighter than ever and thats a sign also.

Which astronomers? Because no astronomer I know of acknowledges the existence of imaginary planets.

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Darren Conah (guest) 11 Aug 2010 15:53

Hi,

i can no longer find the forum that i originally saw the photos, and the "claims" were only made by regular citizens in australia who claimed that at the night the sky was brighter, and that this planet liek image could be seen in the day and night! Finally, the last claim i read was that pluto and another planet were much much brighter than usual, however they had no pictures of this

im really sorry for not having the links.!!

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TheGreatJuju 11 Aug 2010 16:06

i can no longer find the forum that i originally saw the photos

Well, there are tons of forums on the Internet where people post photos and make insane, utterly unscientific claims about Nibiru. Have a look at this page and this page.

and the "claims" were only made by regular citizens in australia who claimed that at the night the sky was brighter, and that this planet liek image could be seen in the day and night!

Who? What is the source of these claims? Is there any evidence that the Australian sky is actually brighter at night? Why isn't the phenomenon being reported all across the southern hemisphere? It is geometrically impossible for any object of that nature to be visible from only Australia.

Finally, the last claim i read was that pluto and another planet were much much brighter than usual, however they had no pictures of this

Well, I'm aware of no information even remotely suggesting the truth of such a claim, including personal experience. I watch the night sky regularly.

I should add here that Pluto is not even naked-eye visible, so any unusual increase in brightness would be noted by astronomers. No such noting has occurred.

im really sorry for not having the links.!!

That's okay, but it's hard to specifically address something when you just tell me that some people said something. People can (and often do) say anything.

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RickardM 11 Aug 2010 15:51

Darren, first off I'm sorry to hear that you have gotten so scared by this crazy hoax. I know from personal experience just how vivid the imagination gets when you watch Youtube videos and read articles about this hoax, I've been exactlly where you are now. I've been, and still am, on medication due to anxiety of this matter, but I have to say that I am able to see the hoax for what it really is now. I too "researched" the matter, not of genuine interrest, but due to fear. I knew that I wouldn't benefit from looking at woo woo sites, but still couldn't help myself from doing it.

But do you know what? I haven't found a single shred of credible evidence for this planets existence. And trust me, I've seen most (perhaps even all) the ridiculous claims made by ignorant people all over the net.

It is, however, hard to adress your fear without any specifics of what you are scared of (perhaps a link or something). So, could you please tell me why you are scared of it, or rather what has gotten you scared about it? In addition to that, have you had a look at the Nibiru/Planet X pages on this site? They are great, and unlike the claims of Nibiru proponents these are actually based on science.

The claims of Nibiru being seen by Aussies by the way have been out there since aroound 2002/2003 when it was supposed to kill us all. The sad fact is that people actually get a kick out of scaring people like you and me, perhaps gives them a sense of power that they otherwise lack. I don't know why but I do know that when they are confronted with scientific evidence that it doesn't exist they simply shove their heads back in the sands. To summarize, there isn't, and have never been, any single shred of evidence of this planet. And that's a fact=)

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bikenbeer2000 11 Aug 2010 20:46

Hi Darren

Think for a moment about what would happen if there really were a new planet, big enough and close enough to the Earth to be visible in broad daylight. It would be the biggest news story of the year! But there's no mention of it. That alone should tell you all you need to know. It's fake.

Ok, so the conspiracy theorists will tell you that news of it is being covered up. But how do you cover up something that can be seen in broad daylight by potentially billions of people?

It's just too ridiculous.

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UndeadxNurse 12 Aug 2010 03:16

There are Six and a half Billion people on this planet, probably more if we actually went from country, to country and counted each and every individual.

Out of all of these, you're going to tell me that the only people that can see this magic disappearing planet in the sky are the Australians? I think not.

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Mike Poulin (guest) 12 Aug 2010 03:24

Australlians and people on Youtube those are the only people who claim to have seen the amazing dissappearing Nibiru.

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Astrogeek 12 Aug 2010 04:03

well, I can't say for sure, but probably what people are seeing and posting pictures of are either Venus or Jupiter, both of which are very bright right now.

I will say that the amateur astronomers I communicate with who live in New Zealand and Australia are not seeing anything unusual in the sky. Of course we all know that Amateur astronomers are all blind, because they don't tend to see UFOs either.

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darren conah (guest) 12 Aug 2010 14:26

yeah theyare the planets that they say are very bright, and claim its because of nibiru coming in close contact with the sun, thus leading to them being lit up.

This advice is putting my mind at rest slowly but surely, but im still really worried sadly

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Astrogeek 12 Aug 2010 14:57

Yes, I've seen that claim, that Jupiter and Venus are "unusually bright" which points to a "second source of light".

The problem is that they have is that Jupiter and Venus are not "unusually bright". They are as bright as they normally get.

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mauro (guest) 23 Feb 2011 17:38

Easy, my friend, don't fall into insanity. I'm from Chile, it is in the same latitude tha Australia, and the night are so dark and beautiful like always. ;D Try to sleep and eat something. Take care

Tomy2011 23 Feb 2011 18:01

Darren Conah's post was writen about 6 months ago. I don't think she is still scared about Nibiru.
But your post is good. :-)

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darren conah (guest) 12 Aug 2010 14:59

also below i have given a link to a site that petrifies me and claims to be able to see nibiri, i read some of the posts but dont really understand it, can you please explain this for me?

thank you so much

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darren conah (guest) 12 Aug 2010 15:05

site address

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread574523/pg1

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Moo (guest) 12 Aug 2010 15:20

Ugh. abovetopsecret. Please keep in mind that's nothing short of an insane conspiracy theory website. There are some pretty good debunkers there but yeah…

Moving right along, I'll start with their first linked video. Ahem.

"Orange Object in Orion Belt"

Okay. And?

It'd have to be a lot closer than that to smack us by 2012. I think. Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure if Nibiru was going to hit us in 2012 it'd be visible to the naked eye.

Moving on, those the-rabbit-hole guys are conspiracy theorists who are out to cause chaos by lying and deceiving people. Or are just deluded.

Ugh. Look, here. I'm going to scare the crap out of you right now. You ready?

Is it daytime where you live? Go outside.

Look up at the sky. See that big ball of light? That's Nibiru.

What? You say it's the Sun? Prove me wrong.

Honestly, it's so easy to just point at EVERY LITTLE THING and go "ZOMG NIBIRU TAKE PICTURES AND SEND IT TO THE INTARWEBZ!!!"

Keep in mind, all these conspiracy theorists use the same damn line: NASA is aware of Nibiru and are hiding it from us.

Apparently NASA also controls the entire world because why haven't legitimate astronomers and amateur astronomers seen this thing yet? Why is it only the people trying to promote doomsday?

Answer me that, then ask yourself why the hell you're afraid.

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Darren conah (guest) 12 Aug 2010 17:19

I'm scared because I have an illness and I dot understand what innseeing, therefore just wanted somebody to explain it to me as not knowing is the biggest fear, so if anybody could explain it would be great

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Astrogeek 12 Aug 2010 18:05

Well, I have just watched the video (one of jcaterra's again) and he is once again wrong wrong wrong.

In the video he gives the 'confirmed coordinates' of this star as 6h42m8.44s, 41 40' 18.94", but he also states is it "near orion".

Here's the problem: Those coordinates are not near orion, but are actually on the other side of Gemini, in the constellation of Auriga. He is (as usual) way off with either his coordinates or his description.

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bikenbeer2000 12 Aug 2010 23:03

The object in the video is Mars, at RA 8h 14m 11s and Dec +23º 21.3', videoed on 17th March 2010. Jcattera is lying about the coordinates in order to misdirect people to a blank area of Google Sky.
If you pause his video at 2:13 and compare it with this star map of the location on the date in question, you will immediately see the similarities.

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 01:05

Hi Bikenbeer,

Could you look over my post of 12 Aug 2010, 20:02 to Darren? If I'm wrong about anything, please point it out for him.

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bikenbeer2000 13 Aug 2010 01:44

Hi Jim

It took me about 45 minutes using the Starry Night planetarium program to identify Mars and the date, then playing about with the Fourmilab website just to get one star map, so I don't know how long it took you, with your comprehensive reply. I shall have to look into how to upload images to this website.

After checking with Starry Night, I agree with your identification of the 5 stars visible in the video which is paused at 1:03.

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 03:23

I shall have to look into how to upload images to this website.

Actually, Jim very cleverly figured out how to use the 'flickr' image tag, as in:

[[image flickr:4886052739]]

… which renders as:

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UndeadxNurse 13 Aug 2010 04:52

jcattera: Because we all know that photo-shop can make you a famous YouTube prophet.

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 11:40

Actually, the thing that makes the video in question so effective is that (as far as I can tell), none of the images have been altered. The video uses real images strung together with a lying, taunting narrative, to produce a work of true, calculated evil. My head's still spinning over it. I just hope Darren makes his way back here to read all of this.

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UndeadxNurse 13 Aug 2010 11:43

Even if they aren't photo-shopped, I still think that saying was catchy. I may use that some time. Minus the jcattera portion, of course.

It's fascinating to me that people will photo-shop something and try to pass it off as legitimate, but it fascinates me even more that someone uses real pictures of something and then attempts to pass it off as something that it's not.

I'm going to post a picture of a cat and tell everybody that it's a dog. I must try this logic..

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 01:02

Hello Darren,

I have friends who suffer from depression and anxiety, so I take your concerns seriously, and want to give you the best answer I can.

I take it you were referring specifically to this video.

That’s probably the video Bikenbeer responded to here.

If that was indeed the video to which Bikenbeer responded, then the “orange star” really IS Mars, and the coordinates jcattera gives are false. I don’t expect you to take anyone’s word for that, so I put together this explanation.
At the start of the video, we see Orion’s belt.

As you can see, the middle star is slightly lower than the others. This observation lets us identify the left-hand star (using star maps or planetarium software) as Zeta in the constellation Orion. Those same star maps now allow us to catch jcattera’s first blunder: at 1:21, he says that the star Betelgeuse will be upward, toward the Right, but it’s actually upward toward the left.

When he starts to pan upward in that direction (00:43), you’ll want to turn off the video’s annotations (button at far right of the bar at bottom of the viewing screen). Otherwise, you won’t be able to see all of the background stars needed to identify the “orange star”.

The part of the sky to which he’s heading is shown in this image from the free planetarium software Sky Charts, for the night of 18 March 2010, where jcattera lives in southeast Michigan.

Now, here are some stills from his video of the “orange star”.

and

Those two stills give us enough info to identify the brighter background stars using Sky Charts. They’re the same ones that were near Mars at the time. In other words, the Orange Star is, unequivocally, the planet Mars. (I’d like to get Bikenbeer’s opinion on whether I’ve identified the stars correctly, but I’m almost sure I’m right.) Note that this diagram is for 20 March 2010, rather than 18 March, so Mars has moved slightly with respect to the nearby star in the intervening 2 days, as all good little planets do.

[Edit of 30 September 2012: As even more-conclusive evidence that jcattera is lying, note that the stars identified above are in the constellation Cancer. jcattera himself, in his video made one day previous to the one we're discussing, stated that Mars was in Cancer at the time. (Time stamp 1:04).]

The coordinates for Mars on that night were RA 8h15min, DEC 23deg10min. AstroGeek has already mentioned why the coords jcattera gives (6h42m8.44s, 41 40' 18.94") cannot possibly be right, since they’re nowhere near Orion. And Bikenbeer has explained why jcattera gives those bogus coords.

I’m sure you noticed that jcattera threatens to block “morons” who dare to refute him. That’s no idle threat, as you’ll see from this thread. Keep that in mind while you read Bikenbeer’s post about why jcattera gave bogus cords for the Orange star, then draw your own conclusions. My own is that he’s a fraud who gets some sick satisfaction out of terrifying people like you.

This has cost me a lot of work, Darren (I’m no one’s idea of a computer honcho), so I’m going to ask you a favor in return. Stay away from jcattera and his ilk for a few weeks, and spend your time looking at the materials provided by 2012Hoax and its collaborators. Then, write up a brief account for us, of what you were afraid of, whose stuff had scared you, and how our stuff helped you. Your account will be of real help to others who come to us.

Jim

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 02:55

Jim & Bikenbeer2000;

That is an awesome analysis. Thank you both.

Darren; I would ask you to pay attention to Jim's request. Look at what jcattera offers you: fear and lies (yes, lies, after all Jim and Bikenbeer just caught him lying to everyone about what the object was, and where it was). Look at what this site offers you: Hope and peace.

Consider carefully who you should pay attention to.

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UndeadxNurse 13 Aug 2010 04:54

Excellent work, Jim.

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 11:26

UndeadxNurse said

Excellent work, Jim.

Thanks mainly to Bikenbeer! If he hadn't made that earlier post, I wouldn't have known where to begin. Once I knew that the object was Mars, and that the coords were fraudulent, my own brute force and ignorance were enough to get the rest done.

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 13:38

You will quickly learn that Bikenbeer2000 is one of the best astronomers in the group, much better than me. He's also very good at checking my work and making sure I don't make too many bone-headed and embarrassing errors. He is responsible, along with several others, for the high quality of the science in these pages.

2012hoax.org is as good as it is because of the dedicated people who contribute to it.

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 13:39

Why do I have this overwhelming urge to refer to you as "bones"?

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Darren Conah (guest) 13 Aug 2010 18:08

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112765&page=148

hi guys, i know you asked for links, and this is one of the very very lst things that set me off on this downward spiral.

i also want to give you boys such a huge apology for asking you all these questions, as a lawyer, i feel very embarressed to be sucked into this and not being able to sort it in my head.

Also, a huge thank you, what you have done for me, is unbelievable, im indebted to u

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Darren Conah (guest) 13 Aug 2010 18:08

sorry, second link to explain what he said he also saw again

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117527

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 18:36

from his description of when and where he saw it, as well as from the picture, it is very clear that he was seeing Jupiter.

Jupiter is very big and bright right now, and you can even pick out the moons with a good pair of binoculars.

I could see them beautifully in a pair of 15x60 stabilized Celestrons at Fremont Peak Observatory last weekend. By the way, those were the binocs one of our guests had, and I was drooling over them.

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TheGreatJuju 13 Aug 2010 18:42

Darren, please see the pages on this site that I linked earlier ("Nibiru" and "YouTube") for reasons why that person's claims are absurd. Also, people in that very thread have soundly trounced his ideas. Why are you so quick to believe the nonsense to the point that you panic, but you ignore the incredible amount of refutation that has occurred right alongside it?

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 18:50

Darren;

The user 'Magenta_Moonshadow' in the original thread is right on. Pay attention to what they are saying about the object being Jupiter.

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 18:40

btw, what kind of a laywer are you? I keep worrying someone's going to try to pull a DMCA takedown on this site.

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Darren Conah (guest) 13 Aug 2010 18:47

im a sports lawyer, so no worries there, specialise in sports management and contracts

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 18:40

Hi Darren,

First of all, it's good to see you back here!!

Have you read our replies to your previous posts? If not, please do so. We take your concerns seriously, so we spent a lot of time addressing them as well as we could.

Regarding your latest posts, I'm afraid I have to decline to answer. The best thing you can do is to stay away from sites like the ones you've been visiting, and spend a week or so studying the resources available here. That way, you'll develop the tools needed to see through the hoaxers yourself.

You mentioned that you're an attorney, which is a good preparation, but to see through the 2012 fraudsters you'll need some specialist knowledge, too, just as attorneys often need to consult specialists in ballistics, etc.

Please don't take this as a "don't bother me anymore"; I'm happy to answer any question you might have regarding the materials on this site. But not to have to refute whole platoons of fraudsters whom you can avoid, until you learn to refute them on your own.

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Darren Conah (guest) 13 Aug 2010 18:46

thank you very much sir! and of course i dont take it like that, it would be most rude of me to do so!

It has become my obsession to search all the internet to find holes in stories, and i need to control myself! this was one of my initial fears, that compounded with why the other planets were so bright, with others saying this was due to a second light source, obviously as i stated, and you did to, without being able to understand this, its very hard and very frightening!

i thank you all so much

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(account deleted) 13 Aug 2010 18:58

Hello Darren,

As you said,

[W]ithout being able to understand this, its very hard and very frightening!

Exactly. That's why people who started this site (I'm just a Johnny-come-lately) have made such an effort to equip people to learn these subjects. Those folks also realize that you should no more take our word on these matters, than you should take jcattera's: they want you to be able to decide for yourself.

That makes things a lot less frightening.

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Astrogeek 13 Aug 2010 19:14

Ah, the "Jupiter is brighter than normal" claim…

Yes, Jupiter is brighter than usual, because Jupiter is 1) nearing opposition (when it will be opposite the sun from us) and 2) is nearing its perihelion (the closest it gets to the sun in its 12-year orbit) in March 2011.

So, Jupiter is "brighter than normal", but it is a perfectly normal occurrence, and has zero implications for us (other than some neat viewing in September)

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Darren Conah (guest) 17 Aug 2010 11:50

hey guys

once again i want to thank you all for explaining things to me. obviously its taking so long to sink in, and im still really quite anxious but im trying my best.

A few quick questions, astronut, was that you on the site i saw last week answering to a video which claimed to see nibiru in warrington, UK? as when i saw that section i was really worried.

Also ive read the other two pages about planet x and nibiru on here. Can i ask, if it was to be within two years of us now, would it already be clearly visible? theres no way it could be hidden by anything? as i keep having these irrational thoughts that im going to come home and see that its now here, and therefore i need to keep checking the internet.

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Moo (guest) 17 Aug 2010 12:02

Re: Visible Planets
Astrogeek 17 Aug 2010, 00:34 -0-500

Well, Venus can currently be seen during the day with the naked eye… if you know where to look. It's quite an impressive trick to take someone who has never done it, and show them exactly where to look to find Venus. They're completely floored that it is visible during the day. It gets quite a bit easier as the sun gets low in the sky.

Now the problem with speculating on what "Nibiru" would look like is that there are so many contradictory definitions for the thing. Some say it is 4 times the size of earth, and some say that it is bigger than Jupiter (Which would be more than 4 times the size of earth), and some say that it is orbiting a dwarf star, and some say it is a dwarf star, etc., etc.

However, if we consider that this object must be in near free-fall toward the sun, we can calculate it's distance. I'm not going to go through that exercise here, but I have been told that an object falling toward the sun on a 3600 year orbit would be inside Jupiter's orbit by now. As such, it should be highly visible for at least part of the year, but probably not 'daylight visible' at this point (again depending on its characteristics). A highly visible, rapidly moving object would have been spotted by hordes of amateur astronomers, photographed, measured, had its orbit calculated, coordinates posted all over the place, etc.

The fact that the amateur astronomy community (imagine a few hundred thousand scattered around the globe) nearly unanimously rejects the idea of this object should tell you something.

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Above posted, as noted, by Astrogeek.

In a word: Yes. Nibiru would be visible right now, even at some points during the day.

The ONLY way Nibiru could exist and hit us by 2012 at this point would be to defy all laws of physics. So, this is where I beg the question: Unless you firmly believe Nibiru is an alien spacecraft, who do you believe? Some jerkoff posting videos on Youtube and clearly lying about things, or the Laws of Physics?

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Astrogeek 17 Aug 2010 12:28

Hi Darren;

Welcome back, and don't worry about asking a lot of questions. Obviously it will take a while to convince yourself emotionally that 2012 is just a hoax. I certainly don't expect you to be able to blow it off simply because I said so.

"Astronut" … heh heh… I like it. No, sorry, I don't think that was me.

Moo has already posted my response to the "will it be visible"? question. The problem with the claims that it is hidden are that such an object has no place to hide. It may not be 'clearly visible' to the average layperson with naked eyes, but it would stand out like a man wearing a ski mask standing in a bank line to any amateur astronomer. It would have to be rapidly moving, and fairly bright. These two characteristics would make it easy prey for the thousands of comet-hunters around the world, looking to be able to name the next comet "Comet Astrogeek"… well, except I'm not a comet hunter. These guys go out night after night looking for faint objects displaying motion. A bright one would have been detected years ago.

Since there are comet-hunters all over the world, and since the earth orbits the sun, there is no place in the sky that is not covered by these folks, and since they see their hobby as a kind of full-contact sport, they are definitely not going to be shy about announcing the coordinates of the object to the world, a kind of territorial "I FOUND IT FIRST!" statement.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Darren Conah (guest) 24 Aug 2010 12:55

Hello all, once again.

I love reading all your comments on here, really helps me make sense of some things.

However, i do still have fears, irrational as they may be, that one day im going to turn on the tv, and see a planet on the screen with the headline its heading towards us, regrettably i dont think this is a thought that will go quick as you say astrogeek.

As instructed, ive read this site a lot of times to try and make sense of stuff in my mind. and i read about gravitational pulls that would be happening to other planets. have these ever been seen recently? and how are they tracked?

also, has there ever been any proof that hasnt been discredit of nibiru's existance? only asking as i seem to search for it, and some say it exists, but i never find it.

hope everyone is well

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Moo (guest) 24 Aug 2010 14:01

Gonna point this out again. If Nibiru was where it would need to be to hit us, and would hit us, in time for 2012? We'd be noticing a lot more than 'Earthquakes' and such nonsense. The entire SOLAR SYSTEM would be in a catastrophic state. I'm going as far as to say we'd all be dead right this second.

If you need an example of gravitational pulls, look at Jupiter right away. It eats so much stuff that could have beelined for us it's hysterical. Also, look at the entire solar system. The entire thing is supported by this fact. The moons as well of the planets that have them, all gravitational pull.

Before you mention it, no. The Earth does not have the force to suck the moon into us. Doesn't work quite that way.

I really can't go into detail about all of this mostly because it's not my field, but there is a fact that cannot be denied: We'd all be dead or be noticing far more insane events if Nibiru was where it needs to be to hit us in 2012. Again, going so far as to state for a fact the entire Solar System would be turned upside down and violated repeatedly.

However, this suggests it even managed to trump Jupiter, which it could not. Jupiter would take one look at it and fire it off in the opposite direction. You don't go messin' with Jupiter.

If it was, as some have said, larger than Jupiter and on course to hit us? Dead. We're all dead. Right now we're all dead.

Dead.

Why are you reading this, we're already dead.

Wait, Nibiru doesn't exist?

WHAT

THE

I'll be fair! Nibiru could exist, it could! But it can't hit us by 2012. It's impossible. Cause if it were, again, we'd all be dead or be VERY FREAKING AWARE of it.

Are you sure you're not dead right now?

Alright, all jokes aside, I'm sure someone will show proof of what they mean by Jupiter being a giant ball of awesome and being able to suck in or expunge anything it doesn't like. This is a fact (please keep in mind all scientific facts carry even a .000000000000001% chance of being wrong. Nothing is ever certain) that cannot be disputed at this time.

You worry over nothing. Nibiru is a load of crap. Well, no. Actually, it's not. Nibiru is Jupiter.

I'm dead serious. These idiots saying Nibiru is a rogue planet are full of it. Nibiru is JUPITER. Elliotts videos have record historical data proving it!

So, is Jupiter coming right for us? We'd all be dead.

Are you POSITIVE you're not dead?

Get out and enjoy life, everyone. Oh, and make sure we do something about Global Warming. That'll really mess stuff up while people are in a panic over a fake made up doomsday that some jerkoff thought would make a good movie.

And, you know.

Lied through their teeth.

Smudged the names of many great ancient civilizations. One that STILL FREAKING EXISTS AND ARE CONSTANTLY GOING WTFFFF WITH THEIR 6,000,000 POPULATION!

Oh, but no one cares what they think. 6,000,000 people are not overheard by 1 IDIOT WITH OUT A DEGREE IN SCIENCE.

Or 1 IDIOT WHO WORKS IN HOLLYWOOD.

OR ANY LESS THAN TWENTY "MAJOR" 2012 INDIVIDUALS.

Oh GOD no.

6,000,000 is a TINY number.

Why?

LOLOLOLOLOLTHEINTERNET!!!!111!

My apologies, I went on a rant at the end. If you aren't dead right now, Nibiru doesn't exist. End of Story.

Enjoy life, or keep being afraid of 2012. I got tired of that fear, and forced myself to learn the truth.

Live. Enjoy. Kick Global Warming in the balls and our only true threat is extinguished.

Get Over 2012.

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Moo (guest) 24 Aug 2010 14:16

PS: All the claims to see Nibiru with telescopes, cellphones, and GoogleMaps? These aren't even amateur astronomers! These are common every day folk with absolutely no training on the field at all (PS: a real Amateur Astronomer actually knows where they're looking and what they're looking at right away after researching).

Everything in the night sky is identified. People claiming "THIS IS NIBIRU ZOMG" are full of crap and just showed they do not know what the basics of astronomy are.

The images of a 'second sun' or 'third sun' or other such nonsense? Explained in one of four ones.

1) LOLCELLPHONECAMERAS/BADCAMERAS.

2) Lensflare.

3) Sunlight reflections on clouds.

4) One of our other planets. The real ones, not Nibiru.

So, yeah. No. No Nibiru. No proof of it, countless proof against it.

And yet people would rather believe the chick who pretends she can speak to aliens because she's insane/makes money off of Google/Sells Stuff.

Yeah you know who I speak of.

Also, I need to mention again to clarify, if Nibiru were at the speed it would have to be at to hit us in 2012, and going by every fact (please note that blah blah blah .0000000000001% chance) we have, it COULDN'T anyway. It would be going beyond the galactic escape velocity, and would just… get shot off out of the milky way galaxy. Yep. Bye Nibiru.

So… yeah. Uh…

Even if Nibiru did exist?

And it was coming for us?

… Yep. Bye Nibiru. Enjoy your new home out of the Milky Way!

Thank you and good night!

Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Aquired Cents 04 Oct 2012 21:43

I'll be fair! Nibiru could exist, it could!

That is absolute baloney sir. It CAN'T 'exist'!
I'm sorry, but making such statements is being suggestive, and will only prolong the hoax.
Please read the Sumerian texts at ETCSL (Oxford Online) or get the definitions at The Chicago Assyrian Dictionary.
NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A 'PLANET' (or any other celestial object except Jupiter) IN THE TEXTS.
I made a video easily explaining how to read the texts. It is on this site.
Be careful what you say, as we don't want to leave this annoyance in the hands of future generations.

That entire post I found counterproductive. Please don't spam and leave dangling possibilities that aren't possible.

You did it again in your following post.

Please, if you're going to help us, research beyond whatever your specialty is as I have, and don't leave things up to future generations. It's that simple.

2012hoax. org/zecharia-sitchin
A link to a simple tutorial is on that page.
Have a good day.
-Tom

Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

TheGreatJuju 24 Aug 2010 21:59

Hi, Darren.

However, i do still have fears, irrational as they may be, that one day im going to turn on the tv, and see a planet on the screen with the headline its heading towards us,

I understand you concern, but I don't think that's anything you'll ever have to worry about. Physics just doesn't work like that.

have these ever been seen recently?

Gravitational perturbations of other planets? I think what you mean here is unexplained perturbations. No, there have been none, which means there's nothing out there large enough to be of significance (like Nibiru) that we haven't seen yet. To give you an idea of the significance of mass, consider that Neptune displayed some unusual characteristics that some scientists once attributed to an unobserved planetary body. Pluto was eventually discovered, but it wasn't massive enough to explain the observations. Finally, in 1989, Voyager II flew by Neptune, giving scientists their first up-close look. As a result, they revised the planet's mass by 0.5%. This explained the discrepancy and eliminated the need for another large body to explain things.

You will often see Nibiru proponents claiming that there are irregularities in the motion of Neptune, and they cite this as evidence of their imaginary planet. It simply isn't true, because the strange behavior of Neptune was explained in 1989. It's old news. To date, there are no other unexplained behaviors. Sedna is a possible exception, but it isn't anything to worry about. I'll explain further, if you're interested.

and how are they tracked?

By simply looking at them, of course. ;)

also, has there ever been any proof that hasnt been discredit of nibiru's existance?

I am not aware of a single "argument" for Nibiru that has not been destroyed by actual science or simple common sense.

only asking as i seem to search for it, and some say it exists, but i never find it.

And you probably never will, because Nibiru isn't based on science or coherent reasoning. It's imaginary.

hope everyone is well

Likewise. Take care.

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Astrogeek 24 Aug 2010 22:37

I couldn't have said it better myself.

In fact, I won't. Nice response, JuJu.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Martin Dennett 11 Sep 2012 12:38

Hi Darren

I'm new to this forum; I was recently invited to join by Astrogeek on bugbait42's recommendation. My knowledge of astronomy is way below that of the regular posters on here; my sole purpose in life is to ridicule the idiots on YouTube and Facebook who say this "thing" is real (OK it's not my sole purpose; but you get the idea). I'd never even heard of Nibiru until around May 2011, and 5 minutes simple research told me all I needed to know.

The thing that caught my attention about your post though is that you mentioned Warrington. Is that your home town? If so, I live approximately 8 miles west of you. If you want to chat, I'm more than willing to do so. Let me know.

Martin

Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

darren Conah (guest) 25 Aug 2010 15:44

i have to say that reading all your responses, and the scientific explanations is helping me finally calm down, i cant believe that i would google for absolute insanity, and choose peoples random sayings, over cold hard facts. The way i now look at things is changing, and I can feel that happening over time, and i have you kind people to thank for that. Virtually every concern i had, or have read, has been addressed and explained. I feel i can now ask things to you, and understand them, and at the same time, be able to rationalise these thoughts in my own head. Cant believe it has just been a week, seems like so much longer.

I have now become as much intrigued as to the subject, as i was scared. I look for sense out of what is being said.

in trying to read through my problems and make sense of my thoughts, i kept coming across one thing however that i found nothing on really, and i dont know if you guys have come across it…

it is something nasa found called death star? or nemesis? near our sun? i searched around a few science sites but didnt really find much on it. However read in a paper over here that its a serious fear and they fear that this could be what everyone is fearing for 2012? dont know what you guys think

DC

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Mike Poulin (guest) 25 Aug 2010 15:53

Also Darren not a scientific opinion but just an opinion in general and don't take offense to this. Don't take anyone on Youtube seriously their mostly a bunch of idiots who have no clue what you're talking about.

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Darren Conah (guest) 25 Aug 2010 15:56

yeh iv started to realise that, its been hard to accept, but iv started.

also, above to what i read, it was in the telegraph paper, rated in the top 3 most reputable in the UK, thats why i was thinking about this nemesis thing.

They also had a big article on nibiru! and they said that it cant be seen as its a brown dwarf, therefore it wont be seen until its right next to us, obviously reading something like this in a serious and professional paper was some what disturbing

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UndeadxNurse 25 Aug 2010 16:18

Well, Darren, it's good to know that you've settled down and you're less worried about this, so far, at least..
If you want proof that almost no intelligent life exists on YouTube, just read the comments, granted, you have your occasional diamond, but the majority of them are nothing, but lint.

..Hmm, not sure that makes sense.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Astrogeek 25 Aug 2010 16:18

Hi Darrin;

That's great progress! Excellent!

"Nemesis" was a proposed object, it never had any evidence to support it, and no, it has not been discovered. We already have a page on it

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

UndeadxNurse 25 Aug 2010 16:20

Astro, I love you, in a friendly sorta way, I really do, but everyone is starting to remind me of those Cellular commercials. "There's an app. for that", only "We have a page on it". It's really quite awesome. Big heart! <3

OK, maybe not so big, but that's as big as it will let me make it.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Darren Conah (guest) 25 Aug 2010 16:21

OOPS! i didnt see that, i was looking for death star! really sorry guys

are the claims about a brown drawf holding any substance with them? the paper i was reading (il try to find the link) said that it doesnt reflect light, therefore it cant be seen, and thats how it would hide behind the sun and not be detected by us?

i tried applying the knowledge i have learnt off here, but it seemed hard as i havent really come across that before

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UndeadxNurse 25 Aug 2010 16:38

Let's say for a second that there is a Brown Dwarf out there, OK, if this Brown Dwarf were to be as big as these people are claiming, you wouldn't need to see the Brown Dwarf itself because it would be effecting its surrounding area, especially with its gravitational pull, however it would also be defying the laws of physics, just to reach us by 2012 and to be quite honest, if it's close enough to reach us in 2012, I would suspect that we would already be dead because with something that big, will come a lot of debris behind it from it bouncing off of other planets.

Now, the question that you must ask yourself, how is a Brown Dwarf, as big as they're claiming it to be, avoiding every other body in our galaxy? Why hasn't it collided with another body yet? And even if it were a Brown Dwarf, I would suspect that we could see it by now, considering that it's practically in our vicinity.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

bikenbeer2000 25 Aug 2010 17:50

Those claims about a brown dwarf don't appear to come from a reputable source.

Every object reflects light or at least some part of the electromagnetic spectrum and a brown dwarf emits its own radiation. We could therefore detect it either visibly or through instruments monitoring other parts of the spectrum, such as satellites surveying the sky in the infrared.

Any object in the solar system which has an appreciable mass would give away its prescence by its gravitational effect on other planets. The positions of the planets are known with high accuracy and any errors would soon be picked up.

An object approaching from a great distance might be behind the Sun for part of the year, but 6 months later when the Earth has moved to the opposite side of its orbit, it would be visible in the midnight sky. To remain permanently behind the Sun but still be approaching, it would have to be in a spiral orbit, something which defies the laws of physics.

The Nibiru believers keep telling us that it's behind the Sun in order to account for no-one ever being able to see it, but they seem to neglect these violations of basic physical laws. Of course, if they knew anything about physics, they wouldn't believe in this non-existent object in the first place!

Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Concerned2012 (guest) 27 Aug 2010 00:57

http://www.smith-mountain-lakes.com/surviving-nibiru-2012/NASA_OFFCIAL_PRESS_RELEASE_NIBIRU_2005.htm

What do you thik about this?

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Mike Poulin (guest) 27 Aug 2010 01:50

Well it's from 2005 so it's a bit outdated as far as information but maybe i should wait for Astrogeek or someone with a bit more experience in this field to respond to this.

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Kevin (guest) 27 Aug 2010 02:03

On the site itself says that they are not saying it's coming towards us (if it indeed exists). That site is full of material and claims that's been debunked before, though I have to admit it's my first time hearing people claiming that Nibiru is actually Eris, which can't be here in 2012 even if it tried.

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3WMElliott 27 Aug 2010 01:54

I recognize that screenshot...

In a nutshell, that page is nonsense. The claim is that searching for Nibiru on the NASA site brings you to the Eris discovery. That's true, because while searching for Nibiru, so many people have been linked to that page about Eris that it's distorted the search tags. Another claim says NASA simply renamed it… as I say in the video above (or possibly the comments section, actually), that wasn't the case, it was unnamed for a long period, and then designated Eris.

Only Nibiru proponents have called this Nibiru. And they've been wrong on each and every occasion.

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TheGreatJuju 27 Aug 2010 02:32

http://www.smith-mountain-lakes.com/surviving-nibiru-2012/NASA_OFFCIAL_PRESS_RELEASE_NIBIRU_2005.htm
What do you thik about this?

I think that page needs an epilepsy warning.

In terms of content, it's silly. The author implies that the frequency with which an idea is mentioned somehow, magically, correlates with truth value. (I suggest we henceforth call this the Web Bot Fallacy.) Further, Eris isn't Nibiru. Even if it was, that would mean that Nibiru proponents have been wrong all this time, because Eris is an icy rock with a diameter of about 2,400 km (meaning it is smaller than our moon), and it has no chance of coming anywhere near Earth.

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Moo (guest) 27 Aug 2010 06:35

Seriously? Dude, where are my catgirls?!

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Astrogeek 27 Aug 2010 07:14

You know, I went to SETIcon, and I had the good fortune to listen to Mike Brown's lecture, which he titled "How I killed Pluto, and why it had it coming". Dr. Brown is a funny guy by the way, a great sense of humor.

So here's the deal. They knew, almost from the moment of discovery, that Eris was about the same size as Pluto. There was some guesswork involved with that at first, but they used some techniques to guesstimate the size of the thing, and it was originally estimated as about 5% larger than Pluto, with an error of about 4.5%… It wasn't until they discovered the moons that they were able to get a good idea of it's mass and decide that yes, indeed, Eris is bigger than Pluto.

So, it was never thought to match the descriptions of Planet X or Nibiru. I doubt that even occurred to Dr. Brown.

What this episode is a good indicator of, though, is that the 2012 people, just like the "Planet X" people before them, will seize upon any bit of news that has the right words in it (e.g., "new", "planet", "beyond", "pluto") and claim that it confirms their idea. I guess they figure that people will never actually bother to read the articles beyond the headlines.

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Rolf (guest) 27 Jul 2011 11:35

I just saw this scaring and seemingly convincing youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBkuu-Tck6E&feature=related
I´d strongly appreciate if the experienced people on this site could debunk it as being non-credible or even fraudulent. Hopinlgy that is easy undertaking for you ( but for sure not for me…)

TheGreatJuju 27 Jul 2011 11:42

Rolf, it's a guy making crap up. The object being discussed does not exist. If it does exist, everybody with eyes would be able to see it, and everything in the Solar System would have been perturbed decades if not centuries ago. As it is, nothing has been perturbed, and nothing is there to see.

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scared (guest) 27 Jul 2011 11:57

You guys need to understand that if something was this close we would already be knocked out of our orbit. hence there is NO such object, it is physically impossible.
Last I checked the orbit is still A OK.

pedro (guest) 27 Jul 2011 21:01

yes but still many many people believs it is a brown dwarf , we should have seen that for at least 5-6 years ago

bikenbeer2000 27 Jul 2011 23:45

we should have seen that for at least 5-6 years ago

"An approaching brown dwarf would be detected hundreds of thousands of years before its arrival."
That's a quote from Mark Morris, Professor of Physics & Astronomy at UCLA.

Tomy2011 28 Jul 2011 00:29

yes but still many many people believs it is a brown dwarf

Well, many people say it's Comet Elenin, other people say it's just a big planet (4x the size of Jupiter, 1x the size of Jupiter, the size of Earth…), other people say it's Nemesis… pick your favorite.

ThreeFangCat 28 Jul 2011 03:28

The guy is a supposed anonymous insider. That makes it non-credible right there.

Moments in, he claims this was common knowledge in the 1950's. A 'scientific storm' even. But nobody remembers.

Then something that can be proven true or false. It's on the cover of Popular Science in 1961. A giant red planet, tidal waves off the coast of California. OK, let's look:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/popular-science/9
http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/popular-science/10

Yep, not there. Not even close. Sure, he has a whole big story about it, but he's lying through his teeth. (As a side note, PopSci had very little in the way of Astronomy oriented covers at all… he's not even a very smart liar.)

He says they could see it so clearly shortly after 1961 they could measure asteroids around it (500 miles across, of course!). Yet we cannot see it today.

This storyteller is outright fraudulent.

3WMElliott 28 Jul 2011 03:40

That video? Again?

I'm beginning to think we should have a YouTube board in the hopes of keeping them together, rather than responding to them each and every time a new viewer stumbles across them.

ThreeFangCat 28 Jul 2011 03:43

Ya, I couldn't remember where it came up before. /sigh

Cern 28 Jul 2011 11:17

I'm beginning to think we should have a YouTube board in the hopes of keeping them together

This would probably be a good idea, save time instead so many new threads from popping up on the same subject… Youtube… =(

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Paradox6996 31 Jul 2011 05:12

Ok I didn't read anything because it's insanely long no offense. :P It comes down to shear physics, if a brown dwarf star was ripping through our solar system, and I think by now comet Elenin is at mars if not closer. Then something of that mass would be having an effect on the earth today. Been awhile since I've read about Brown Dwarf stars which is what Nibiru is. I can tell you that it is about 2x bigger than the mass of Jupiter. That is huge, you would easily be able to see it now if not by the naked eye, at least by telescope. I can tell you that Nasa right now, would be like OMFG it's the BIG11, or in Nasa terms: "A big enity of unknown decent". It would be all over the news and people going like OMFG what am I gonna do. I wouldn't worry about it, all those people are full of crap anyway, nothing to freak out about.

The claims people make are bogus and can be tied to other information or news sources; that is completely different then what they're claiming. Comet Elenin is going to pass, and according to astronomers, is going to be the worst site to see. I'm going to be at the club drinking and hopefully hitting on the blonde at the bar, hopefully you will be doing the same. :P

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Paradox6996 31 Jul 2011 05:30

So forgot to add that I've actually read a crap ton about Nibiru, and it's a false made up planet that people made up after finding Pluto. In the 60's or 70's… Somewhere around there, people wearing seeing a planet passed Neptune that hasn't been discovered yet called Pluto today and Planet X back then. Really not a big deal, as technology grew, people were like OMG I can see it. Others were like no that's not it, it's a super huge planet to kill us all. Dude there is always going to be people with ways to kill us, when 2012 passes the new thing could be 2020, and the Gamma ray that traveled the universe.

The point is, there is always going to be people saying were all going to die. Since the beginning of time they have all obviously has been wrong. I wouldn't worry about something killing you that doesn't exist and even when this planet is going to die, I can guarantee you it won't be in this lifetime. Even if it was, why care about something that you can't control, why take your life over it. If it was me, I would spend as much time with family and friends then caring about the day I'm going to die. If you're going to worry about this, then why not crossing the street and getting hit by a car; or a piano failing on your head and dying. Just saying dude, life is unpredictable; why worry about the things that you can't control. If you are, then you might as well worry about everything else in life that can kill you.

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Bokator (guest) 31 Jul 2011 06:24

That would be really weird. If you know you were going to die on a specific day you would be frightened. People arent like you, they dont think the way you do. I think its selfish of you to say that. People want to live their lives knowing they will be fine not just spending time with your family until death, thats so wrong and sick thats like looking at your sibling and lying to them and saying everythings going to be fine when it isnt. Theres a thing called "Phobias" too you know. Get to understand that people arent just like you.

Alene Y 31 Jul 2011 22:46

Hey Bokator,
We know there are people with phobias. I happen to have one about spiders. I am able to be rational about it though. I can be very close to a small harmless spider and not panic. Comet Elenin is somewhat analogous to that small harmless spider, except that it isn't going to come anywhere near us. As for Nibiru, it doesn't exist. If people said there is a spider as big as a house 100 miles away that was going to come and eat me in 2012, I wouldn't believe them and wouldn't spend my time worrying about it. Why? Because if there were such a spider, everyone in the vicinity would be able to see it. It doesn't exist. If I were going to spend my time worrying, I would concentrate on things that are possible and likely, such as a heart attack, cancer, stroke, or auto accident.

Bokator (guest) 31 Jul 2011 23:51

That analogy is pretty cool haha, sorry for the burst of words but I just cant stand it when it comes to think like this. Im just worried for my family, I dont want them to know about this as I, even though its all a hoax I just don't want my family to ask about it, im often bombarded with the words "Why worry about it if you cant do anything about it." I know this is true but I can take it to an extent but my siblings on the other hand….there just young.

Alene Y 01 Aug 2011 03:43

I'm glad you liked it, Bokator. I understand that you're worried about your younger siblings. It's good that you're learning about these things because they will eventually hear the rumors. The more you know, the better you will be able to help them when they do.

Bokator (guest) 01 Aug 2011 03:51

Im dead serious about this, i do not know much of english…..what does "rumor" mean?
i hear it often at school but pay no attention.

Alene Y 01 Aug 2011 03:53

A rumor is a story that is going around but probably has little or no truth behind it.

Bokator (guest) 01 Aug 2011 03:56

2012, little truth…no truth behind it. :D

Alene Y 01 Aug 2011 04:04

How true!

Bokator (guest) 01 Aug 2011 04:29

But whats the little truth about it?

Alene Y 02 Aug 2011 02:06

That was just a definition for rumors in general. This one fits into the no truth category.

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obaeyens 31 Jul 2011 11:03

Even if it was, why care about something that you can't control, why take your life over it. If it was me, I would spend as much time with family and friends then caring about the day I'm going to die.

You still have to go to work. Because if everybody just stayed at home then you would have no more food in the shops.

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Awesomeee 31 Jul 2011 11:27

You should not even bring these thoughts! Nibiru does not exist and you will not die on Dec 21 2012 , Unless you decide to get drunk and drive a car on that day :p , you could bring these types of thoughts on any type of predicted doomsdays Bokatar , they were always being predicted , and scientists were always laughing at the nonsense just like today.

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obaeyens 31 Jul 2011 11:01

and I think by now comet Elenin is at mars if not closer

It is at the distance like Sun-Mars (1.51 AU now), seen from Earth.
It is already at 1 AU distance from the Sun.
Mars is almost the furthest point away from that comet.

Been awhile since I've read about Brown Dwarf stars which is what Nibiru is. I can tell you that it is about 2x bigger than the mass of Jupiter.

If it is only 2 times more massive than Jupiter then it is NOT a brown dwarf!

, you would easily be able to see it now if not by the naked eye, at least by telescope

Brown dwarfs have minimal 16 times the Jupiter mass.
This translates to 10 times bigger radius in your telescope than Jupiter's radius at it's closest distance.

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ThreeFangCat 01 Aug 2011 01:06

Brown dwarfs have minimal 16 times the Jupiter mass. This translates to 10 times bigger radius in your telescope than Jupiter's radius at it's closest distance.

Brown Dwarfs are all about the same diameter as Jupiter (sometimes a little bigger). They just keep getting denser. Trying to find the best sourcing I can, but here is a news story that is kind enough to reference its original science paper:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20012235-501465.html

From what I understand, gas giants are the same way: Add mass past that of Jupiter and the density goes up, but the radius does not change much. This is referred to as degeneracy, if memory serves. Tyche, if it were to exist, would be about the same radius as Jupiter regardless of whether it was 1x or up to 4x Jupiter mass. When the mass finally hits red dwarf mass, the fusion applies positive pressure and expands the borders.

KAM1 (guest) 01 Aug 2011 01:13

So would they be able to still see the brown dwarf?

ThreeFangCat 01 Aug 2011 01:18

Oh, absolutely. A brown dwarf is every bit as easy to see as Jupiter in terms of being illuminated by the sun, plus it generates a little of its own light as well. The idea that brown dwarfs are invisible is a 2012er fabrication.

KAM1 (guest) 01 Aug 2011 02:12

Are there any visible right now?
Kinda interesting.

ThreeFangCat 01 Aug 2011 02:25

Here is some general information on brown dwarfs. As stated, only one Brown Dwarf has been seen in the visible: Gliese 229B. It's about 22 light years away. Many more have been seen in the infrared.

(Distinction: Brown Dwarfs are hard to see in the visible compared to a star. They are easy to see in the visible compared to a planet, even a gas giant.)

My bad, forgot the info link:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/browndwarf.html

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Astrogeek 02 Aug 2011 06:05

A nice visualization: http://www.kryon.com/k_browndwarf.html

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Re: SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT NIBIRU

Aquired Cents 05 Sep 2012 02:33

For the scientifically inept or those who don't trust space science(s), simply refer them to the defintions of Nibiru, Nerbertu, etc. at The Chicago Assyrian Dictionary.

Anybody can read the Sumerian texts at ETSCL (Oxford Online)
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Google: 'How can I read the Sumerian texts myself?' (my video is FIRST)
Click 'more videos' to find my Nibiru debunk. The video is lacking a few things, the info is vast.

I'm a pretty well known debunker on Youtube, Bugbait42 referred my to this site, and Gambleyourhealth and I talk often. Ask them about my credibility and feel free to use my research. There are others on this site who know of me as well.
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Astrogeek 05 Sep 2012 05:43

Hiya AC!

The link to the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O79Vkz8a5Y8

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