People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Summary:

Do not fear. We have a sacred mission – not only to die, but to bring the life to other stellar systems. Glory to CERN physicists!

People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 06:50

Editor's Note: Dear readers: What follows is the ranting of someone whose ideas have been rejected at every level. Physics, more than any other science it seems, attracts cranks, who have little formal education, but an inflated sense of self-importance and ego. Gorelik's ideas fall into this category. I considered removing this post due to the nature of this forum, and the lack of relevance to the 2012 issue. However, that's not my style. So, to those of you who might be concerned about some of the things that Gorelik says here, head over to this thread at physforum.com, where Gorelik made the exact same claims, and immediately had his head handed back to him on a platter. Gorelik's ideas have been thoroughly examined, and they have no merit.

TeV energy collisions can lead to formation of a droplet of dangerous fermionic or bosonic condensate (strangelet or magnetic hole, correspondingly). That will lead to collaptical explosion of our Earth and Sun. Astronomers can see about 15 such explosions in our Galaxy every year.

There is very great probability that we all are already doomed, if the dangerous droplets were already created and grow somewhere inside the Earth. We’ll be able to know about growing droplets existence, when their masses will be about of 1 kg or couple of orders more. At such mass their neutrino output will be comparable to the output of one nuclear power station. On the next day – ten times more; the next day – hundred times more…

So, fasten your safety belts, - be ready to start into cosmos; be ready to suicidal reproduction of our biosphere.
If a microscopic magnetic holes were already created, then physicists will register the additional and growing flux of electronic antineutrino from the Earth;
If a microscopic droplets of strange matter were already created, then physicists will register the additional and growing flux of different sorts of neutrino from the Earth.

Do not fear.
We have a sacred mission – not only to die, but to bring the life to other stellar systems.
The most probably, the dangerous condensate was already created and it is growing now somewhere inside the Earth.
So, I do not think, that now, after the crime was already performed, there is a cause to fight against the suicide of our planet.
Glory to CERN physicists!
I wish to all of you a happy flight to stars.
Our biosphere must reproduce.
We are seeds of future life in the Galaxy. The seeds must be transported to other stars in comets. The explosion of a grown-up habitable planet is an inevitable element of biospheres reproduction.

Don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission.

Yesturday I have made a program "Explosion of the Earth, switched by criminal physicists".

Here it is:
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ExplosionRu.exe in Russian;
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/Explosion.exe in English.

http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
http://www.lhcportal.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=116&start=975

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 07:35

I know you! You're Dr. Dark Energy! Are you still going on about this?

Dude, you've been wrong since the first collisions started way back when. I will agree with people who have spoken to you before, your theories are entertaining. They very much are. However, to come to this website to where people come to ease their fears, only to attempt to viral it with your crap? You're not educating, you're a sick bastard.

You're like every other 2012 proponent. You have a theory, except you actually have an idea of what you're talking about, and you shove it down everyone's throats. The problem is, you were wrong every time. Every. Freaking. Time.

You may have the math to back it up, but your scientific peers boggle you. You cannot be right if everyone else knows you to be wrong.

But thanks, really. Thanks for causing immense fear to many people, and adding your sarcastic little good cheer tone at the end. You son of a bitch.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 03 Sep 2010 07:42

Wow, 2012Hoax.org finally attracted the attention of a "famous" idiot, or somebody impersonating one.

You're as insane here as you were when they tore you a new one over at PhysForum. Get back on your meds.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 07:51

Oh, and Dr. Dark Energy? Congratulations on failing at what neutrinos are. What did they teach you at that institute?

Get lost and stay gone. Get an IP ban on this fool.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 09:03

Yesterday I have made a program "Explosion of the Earth, switched by criminal physicists"
The main conclusions:
The time of explosion from creation of dangerous droplets to utter destruction of Earth onto fragments will take about 100-1000 days.
Only small part of Earth's matter will be captured by dangerous droplet; The rest of Earth's matter, much more than 99.99…%, will be torn on peaces and will be thrown into cosmos as new asteroids and comets with velocity, about escape velocity.

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Read articles http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/43451 Supernova ejects material asymmetrically
and http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/43620CERN faces €250m budget cuts
and my recent commentaries to those articles.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 03 Sep 2010 09:13

Yes, you have made quite a pest of yourself in various places around the web, and now you've come to visit us. I suppose we should be honored that a top-notch crank like yourself has come calling on our little corner of the web.

Here's the deal: 1) You're a nut. 2) Your ideas are ridiculous, and have been rejected by everyone qualified to examine them. 3) Despite this you keep spewing your fear-mongering anti-science. 4) You are off-topic here.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 09:43

Astrogeek wrote: Your ideas are ridiculous, and have been rejected by everyone qualified to examine them.

Nobody "qualified" wrote any scientific argument to my text.
All of my opponents were hidden behind nicks, and they wrote only abusive verbal diarrhea.

Astrogeek, have you any scientific argument against my ideas?

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 03 Sep 2010 10:03

Nobody "qualified" wrote any scientific argument to my text.

You were served more than once. Denial is a common woo reaction, however.

All of my opponents were hidden behind nicks, and they wrote only abusive verbal diarrhea.

I guess you shouldn't have any objection to people reading for themselves, if that's what you think.

Actually, at this point, I'm more or less convinced that you really believe yourself, and you really believe you handled yourself well over there. Reality says otherwise, but hey. Whatever floats your boat, man. Just a crying shame you feel the need to spread fear and hysteria to others while living out your little fantasy of destruction.

Again, get back on your meds.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 09:33

Moo wrote: Congratulations on failing at what neutrinos are.

Magnetic holes will capture protons, but repeal neutron.
That is why the matter around magnetic holes will have an excess of neutrons.
Neutron decays at proton, electron, and electronic antineutrino.
That is why, if magnetic holes were created, physicist will register an additional flux of electronic neutrinos.

Droplets of strange matter capture neutrons and protons, transforming them into captured lambda-hyperons and two sorts of decaying kaons. If you want, you can write all decaying treads and tell us about all sorts of neutrino/antineutrino, received in this case.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 10:09

I'm sorry, but I don't need to do that until you stop dancing around what I called you out on. You still seem to lack the grasp of how neutrinos work, instead only using them to try to further prove your theory.

A theory, you just admitted, you've never submitted to your peers. If this is some big discovery that could decide (or, as you like to suggest ever since your numerous failures at predicting this, as well as extending the date from 30 days to 100-1000 days until destruction) the fate of our world… why don't you submit it? Oh. Right. You're too busy going on and on about how this is a 'good' thing. That or you've realized how insane your theory is.

So, if I ask you the same question again, you'll simply skirt around it. Let me try something different: Why are neutrinos in particular so critical to your case?

By the way, I know exactly the answer you need to give me to make some sort of validity, as small as it would be, in your theory. I, however, refuse to give you this answer. Why? I'm not doing your homework for you. So, mister 1-year-institute-training. Why are neutrinos the bad guys here? What specifically makes them so scary in this scenario of yours?

One more chance!

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:02

Moo wrote: Why are neutrinos in particular so critical to your case?.. Why are neutrinos the bad guys here? What specifically makes them so scary in this scenario of yours?

If we had online internet information about neutrino flux, we would have the possibility to know about: if the dangerous droplets were created, or were not created yet. And more: we would be able to say - what was created: a flock of microscopic magnetic holes, or a flock of strangelets.

Notes:
1. At the last stage, before the Earth would be turned into a swarm of new comets and asteroids, the heat power, emitted at the process of matter transformation on the droplets, will be only ten times less, than the luminosity of Sun. Consequently, at that time the flux of neutrino, penetrating through us, will be bigger by 0.1(R/r)^2 times; where: R - radius of Earth's orbit; r - Earth's radius.
2. The rate of droplet's mass growth is defined by the law of parabola.

Unifying 1 and 2, we can come to conclusion that physicists can know about dangerous droplets creation at the very beginning of their growth. But that knowledge will non help - it is impossible to stop the droplet's growth; it is impossible to ruin them. Droplets will inevitably explode the Earth.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:19

You have no idea how neutrinos work. You've confirmed this by not only skirting my question twice now, but also failing to grasp why your theory falls flat on it's face. If you can't explain how neutrinos work, and why they are specifically dangerous, you do not deserve your self-proclaimed title of a "physicist".

Alright, I'm done dicking around with you. Neutrinos are NON-INTERACTING PARTICLES. YOUR THEORY MAKES NO SENSE. WHAT IS THIS FLUX NONSENSE? WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO HAVE THIS SUBMITTED TO YOUR PEERS?

You FAIL to explain WHY Neutrinos SUDDENLY decide to interact with other particles JUST because the LHC is involved. You failed you failed YOU FAILED YOU FREAKING FAILED.

And do not even bring up your magnet hole thing. Please. I beg of you. Don't do it. We already know it's bogus. It's been ripped into by people who have had more than "one year" of training. No, I'm sorry, they're not out to get you. No, I'm sorry, Stephen Hawking has contributed far more to the scientific community while you fail to grasp what Neutrinos are and simply use them because you think they're special.

WHEN THEY ARE NON-INTERACTING PARTICLES FOR * SAKE.

There is ONE thing you can say that would give you SOME validity. ONE thing involving Neutrinos. But. I. Refuse. To. Give. You. This. Answer. Because you cannot GRASP what Neutrinos are, and you cannot tell us WHY they are suddenly dangerous in your scenario.

You simply pulled out numbers, tried to make 2 points with it, but only looped and repeated yourself. And your math has been debunked already months ago.

Why are you back? Why do you continue with this? The only thing people will remember you for is a madman who pretends he is a physicist for the pure sake of attempting to destroy lives, and his own irrational hatred for the LHC.

Holy crap I have no training at all in physics and I just owned you. Wow. Go away kid. Err, old man. Err… psychopath.

Go away.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:48

Moo, go and study physics.

If neutrino does not interact, how neutrino telescopes are working?

Moo, go and study physics.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 03 Sep 2010 15:19

Wow… a neutrino telescope.

Just… wow.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 03 Sep 2010 15:27

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't interactions between neutrinos very weak interactions?

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 18:05

UndeadxNurse wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't interactions between neutrinos very weak interactions?

1. Interactions between neutrino and matter, but not between neutrinos.

2. Yes, these interactions are very weak, but sufficient in order to register the creation of dangerous droplets at the early stage of Earth explosion. The explosion lasts about 100-1000 days.

3. Moo is very weak opponent and he needs meds because he cries his wrong poor knowledge in CAPs.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 03 Sep 2010 18:39

You are correct, neutrinos are very weakly interactive.

http://www.ps.uci.edu/~superk/neutrino.html

The basic neutrino type is sort of like an electron, but it has zero charge. There are other types which may have mass. Because the neutrinos have no charge, they do not interact via the electromagnetic force, and can only interact by the very short-range weak nuclear force, or (for those types which carry mass) by the weakest force of all, gravity.

They travel immense distances through other substances, even solid rock, without interacting with anything.

Gorelik's claim that neutrinos frequently interact with each other therefore seems rather suspect.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 04 Sep 2010 07:49

Astrogeek wote: Gorelik's claim that neutrinos frequently interact with each other therefore seems rather suspect.

Astrogeek, please, do not lie. Where did I say such nonsense?

In fact, interactions of neutrino with ordinary matter are very rarefied. Nevertheless these rarefied interactions can be registered.
These interactions are registered at several underground neutrino observatories.
Several such events were registered in February of 1987 from Supernova SN 1987A.
Another interesting fact is the registered deficit of solar neutrino, coming from the Sun. This deficit of registered neutrino had led some physicist to the idea about oscillations of neutrino from one sort into another sort. Different sorts of neutrino differently interacts with ordinary matter. The cross section of such interactions greatly depends from the energy of neutrino too.

I speak about neutrino interactions here because physicist can discover, if dangerous droplets were created at p-p collisions, or were not created yet. The moment of this discovery can be, for example, at the first month after a swarm of dangerous droplets creation, if this swarm needs a year in order to ruin the Earth completely. I can not see another method to register the fact of droplets creation except the excessive flux of neutrino from the Earth.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 04 Sep 2010 08:52

you claimed (above)

UndeadxNurse wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't interactions between neutrinos very weak interactions?

1. Interactions between neutrino and matter, but not between neutrinos.

In this context, a "non weak" interaction would equate to a frequent interaction. Neutrinos are plentiful. If they interacted they would do so frequently.

Since they do not interact frequently (or really, at all in most circumstances) we can infer that their interactions with baryonic matter are weak, and the neutrino-neutrino interactions would be just as weak, since both interactions are due to the weak nuclear force. Regardless of how you would like to spin it, you are once again wrong. You have failed to show that your ideas have any validity, and yes, the onus of proof is on you.

By the way, you and your fear-mongering are responsible for things like this and this. Congratulations. You are responsible for more deaths than the LHC will ever be.

The only "dangerous droplets" are the fear and lies you and people like you spread.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 04 Sep 2010 09:01

Don't even bother, Astro. I doubt he cares. They're never aware of just how much damage they cause with their falsehood.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 04 Sep 2010 09:09

::facedesks::

So, in shorter terms.. I'm right. 'K. That's all that anyone had to say.

I've never trained or, studied in physics, chemistry, etc. but I've read a little about certain things, hence why I asked if I was right, because I couldn't remember if I was thinking of Neutrinos or, something else that had a very weak interaction with itself or, with other things.

Now that I know that I was right, excuse me while I strut, like Ric Flair, only sexier.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 04 Sep 2010 09:41

Astrogeek wrote: You have failed to show that your ideas have any validity, and yes, the onus of proof is on you.

Which one of large variety of my ideas has no any validity? All of them are erroneous? Have you a brain?
I wrote several ideas about magnetic holes and about my vision at strange matter, which is different from the others opinions. I have written about several biggest errors, made by four criminal physicists in LSAG report. My ideas were grounded by math and my math you can find in my web-cite. Now I delivered here one more idea, which is about the time of growth of the dangerous droplets. This idea is grounded on a computer program. If you want, you can build the analogues program and we can compare our results. But you are opinionated man, who has no his own opinion, who believes to authorities from corrupted science, who believes to his probable killers.

Astrogeek wrote: By the way, you and your fear-mongering are responsible for things like this and this. Congratulations. You are responsible for more deaths than the LHC will ever be.

No. No that is just CERN, who responsible for this suicide. CERN and all corrupted science are responsible for the probable murder of 6 billion people and probable destruction of the Earth.

Criminal scientists say approximately thus: “The best way to prove that LHC is safe - is to switch it on”.

But a man, who is ill, who is doomed to die from cancer, have the right to know about that.
Civilization, doomed to death, must know about it, - we must know about the flux of neutrino from the Earth.

Nibiru, collision with asteroids, Mayan calendar and other “2012 staff” is rubbish, which will not lead to the destruction of Earth; but contemporary experiments, made in high energy physics, will explode our Earth in near future with great probability. This conclusion is strongly based on logic and math. Leading physicist must be thrown into prison now. Their slaves, such as you must shut their mouth’s. It is probable that this will save us, if dangerous condensate is not created yet.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 04 Sep 2010 11:25

I wrote several ideas about magnetic holes and about my vision at strange matter,

Yeah, you've written about plenty of fictions, all of which were eviscerated over at PhysForum. You just have such a poor understanding of real physics, you're incapable of realizing how imbecilic your claims are.

My ideas were grounded by math and my math you can find in my web-cite.

Math for math's sake is fine, but it doesn't mean much unless it's attached to something in reality. If I recall, this was also explained to you at PhysForum, one of several lessons you completely ignored.

This idea is grounded on a computer program.

So is the idea that I can conjure destructive fireballs out of thin air and hurl them at my slavering enemies.

Criminal scientists say approximately thus: “The best way to prove that LHC is safe - is to switch it on”.

They don't say that, and you damn well know it.

Nibiru, collision with asteroids, Mayan calendar and other “2012 staff” is rubbish, which will not lead to the destruction of Earth

Great, we agree on one thing. That being the case, what are you doing here? The only thing required for dismissing your claims is to direct people to the thread at PhysForum, where you were demolished. Whatever you're selling, nobody here is buying.

"This conclusion is strongly based on logic and math."

In your imagination, maybe.

No. No that is just CERN, who responsible for this suicide.
Leading physicist must be thrown into prison now.

No, but maybe you should be, since the one death attributable to LHC fear-mongering from gleefully apocalyptic wackos like you is one more than any CERN scientist is responsible for.

Their slaves, such as you must shut their mouth’s.

You're an idiot.

It is probable that this will save us, if dangerous condensate is not created yet.

There's nothing to be saved from, except perhaps drivel from nutcases like you.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 04 Sep 2010 12:12

Correct me, if I'm wrong, again..

Strange Matter and Dark Matter are completely theoretical, yes?

When connecting a theory to something that is very real and then saying "It's going to create a doomsday!" it's imperative that the individual spreading the rumor accepts their responsibility in the aftermath of their rumor.

If they do not accept responsibility, then they're worse than the people that they believe are hiding information.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 04 Sep 2010 13:18

UndeadxNurse wrote: Correct me, if I'm wrong, again.. Strange Matter and Dark Matter are completely theoretical, yes?

Neutron stars and strange stars are theoretical objects.
Pulsars and magnetars are observable objects.

Dozen of years ago astronomer believed that pulsars and magnetars were just neutron stars.
Now we do not know: what are pulsars and magnetars? Are they neutron stars or strange stars?

Now there are some other purely theoretical models of objects, such as quark stars.

“Dark matter” was invented several dozens of years ago in order to explain high velocities of peripheral stars in galaxies.
Now astronomers, using some indirect methods, can observe some regions in galaxies and name these regions by the same term “dark matter”.
Consequently, “dark matter” is not only the theoretical object but is the observable object too.

Dark energy is a falsification, invented about 1998, in order to save a religious model, Big Bang.

Dark matter is unknown matter, which manifests themselves in additional gravity field of the Galaxy. Some physicists believe that it consists from WIMPs (weakly interacting massive particles). Not long ago I come to conclusion, that dark matter is a swarm of droplets from fermionic condensate of lambda-hyperons (strange matter), or from bosonic condensate of x-bosons (magnetic hole). It is believed that contact of WIMPs with ordinary matter is safe; I had showed that the contact of a slowly moving droplet of dark matter with ordinary matter lead to destruction of ordinary matter and growth of the dark matter; but the contact of a relativistic droplet of dark matter with ordinary matter lead to destruction of dark matter into hyperons followed by series of decays.

The energy of p-p collision at LHC is sufficient in order to create microscopic droplets of dark matter (strange matter or magnetic holes). Consequently, creation of dark mater at colliders can lead to destruction of our planet in about a year and to destruction of our Sun in about a 1000 years.

The rest of your text has no any sense.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 04 Sep 2010 13:39

So the Big Bang model is entirely religious, well that makes perfect sense. I guess all this constant testing of the model is therefore redundant if we're just going to ignore all the findings because they disagree with us…

If you want to overturn the model you better have some damn good evidence to back your claims up, because you're up against what, 100 years of science with a 'decent haul' of evidence shall we say for the Big Bang. You know, enough evidence to know that the conditions less than a billionth of a second after it happened can be created right here, on Earth, umpteen times a second in the LHC.

Just what is your goal Ivan? Why the heck are you doing this? Why do you even type the words "Don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission.", but then blabber on about how "CERN and all corrupted science are responsible for the probable murder of 6 billion people and probable destruction of the Earth."

More and more I'm seeing you as a religious man, not a scientist. Tell me I'm wrong Ivan. Show me why you should be respected as a scientist.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 04 Sep 2010 13:46

I find it difficult to believe that the Large Hadron Collider poses a threat to the existence of our species or, our planet, considering of course, that the LHC has already undergone tests, the first test being in 2008, and as a result, it was halted due to a flaw and in spite of the flaw, we're still alive.

Another test had taken place in 2009, the second time was successful and the first protons were collided. We're still here.

Another collision was performed this year, and as a result, set a record for the highest energy man-made particle collision. We're still here.

The LHC is actually going to be disabled in 2012, so that's going to make it difficult to have a doomsday caused by the LHC.

So, I have come to the conclusion that the LHC makes for a terrible doomsday device or, doomsayers are clinging to their last option since all other scenarios have been thoroughly debunked, repeatedly.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 04 Sep 2010 14:24

Elliott wrote: More and more I'm seeing you as a religious man, not a scientist. Tell me I'm wrong Ivan. Show me why you should be respected as a scientist.

Real scientist must have brain and must boil up all rubbish, which he was told by his teachers and professors. Real scientist must undergo all theories to doubt. Real scientist does not stop self education. Real scientist must build dozens of computer programs in order to solve hard problems, which can not be solved by usual methods.

I know that BB is liar scientific model. It is grounded on falsifications and liars.

But I can see that science is corrupted. Contemporary ideas of physics are made by a small crowd of high ranking physicists. There are plenty of errors in their conclusions. But the rest of physical society has no their own opinion. They repeat nonsense. They repeat errors. They repeat criminal errors made in LSAG report.

We all will be killed by corrupted science with high probability in the period 2010-2013.

Yes, people: CERN and all corrupted science are responsible for the probable murder of 6 billion people and probable destruction of the Earth.

It was subscribed in the Universal Genetic Code of Eternal Living Universe that the enemies of biosphere's suicidal reproduction must be undergone to laughter and shame; otherwise the reproducing act would not occur.
That is the law of biosphere's reproduction. So, don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission. Fasten your safety belts; - be ready to biosphere’s suicidal reproduction!

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 04 Sep 2010 14:40

Real scientists know when their theories do not hold up, Ivan. Real scientists put their arguments through the proper channels, through peer-review and publications. Real scientists accept that they can be wrong.

You assert that the Big Bang is grounded on lies and yet appear to offer nothing in return to back up your claim. You assert that the hundreds, thousands of people who work with the LHC, or anything of it's kind, both in theory and in practice are wrong, yet you offer nothing in return to back up your claim.

What you have offered, over at places like the Physforum, has been thrown back as unfounded nonsense.

For anyone to respect your ideas, you must respect theirs. You must approach this without bias and actually offer a solid theory of why you are right and countless others are wrong, but you are filled to the brim with some kind of conflict, and as I've said before, I personally suspect it to be religious in nature.

As Undead said, the LHC has already started collisions. Does that mean your theories are incorrect, or will you just fiddle some numbers and say the next lot of collisions are the ones to look out for, or the ones after that, or the ones after that…

Do yourself a favour. Put your work through the proper channels, or put your work in the trash.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 04 Sep 2010 15:18

The rest of your text has no any sense.

Irony.

Real scientist must have brain and must boil up all rubbish, which he was told by his teachers and professors. Real scientist must undergo all theories to doubt. Real scientist does not stop self education. Real scientist must build dozens of computer programs in order to solve hard problems, which can not be solved by usual methods.

Real scientists have at least a cursory understanding of the scientific method and a willingness — desire, even — to have their claims and ideas scrutinized through peer review. You possess neither of these traits.

You also seem to fall into the standard woo method of reasoning, by which you confuse repetition of your claims with actually defending them.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

RickardM 03 Sep 2010 10:13

Ivan, when did they let you out of the mental institution?

You're idea of excess neutrinos sounds fascinating, have you gotten a response from when you sent it in for peer-review? Oh I forgot, you don't believe in peer-review, do you?

I have to admit that your posts over at Physforum.com and LHC-portal are catchy, but still… You really should get back on your pills, because this isn't working out in your favour dude.

Furthermore, you still haven't responded to my question over at LHC-portal; you have been wrong from the beginning¹ so why should anyone pay even the slightest attention to you know? Due to the "overwhelming" amount of evidence you present?

I also find it quite amusing that you ask Astrogeek for any scientific basis of his counter-arguements, when you yourself lack any kind of credible scientific basis for yours.

Footnotes

1. You claimed that LHC would kill us all when it was turned on, then latter on altered that prediction to include the higher energies (and we still haven't been devoured by your magnetic holes, how come?)

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 10:26

I can answer that for you, Rickard. Every time the LHC goes up higher, these nutters up the count of energy needed by just above the next setting. Effectively, they're trying to cover themselves up. Oh, but they are 'sure' damage is happening, but it's minor.

You're probably right about the medication, though. He seems to have vanished for a few months up until this point, with his insane messages now. Looks like he's trying to go out with a bang and obtain as much infamy as possible.

I, again, strongly suggest a IP ban. We can keep this thread up so people can read it and see how much of a fool he is. (PS: Betting now he answers my questions wrong.) But we don't need this scum around.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 03 Sep 2010 11:16

You're an idiot.

Now, before you go all emotional, cut yourself with plastic spoons and claim that we're being mean to you and that we work for the government, allow me to point something out..

It isn't being mean if it's the truth.
The truth hurts, welcome to reality, my friend.

Granted, the Earth exploding due to "droplets" would be absolutely fascinating in a movie, but considering that your first prediction failed and you're running to another prediction like every other idiot out there who supports a 2012 doomsday, your claims are overrated, debunked, re-debunked and furthermore, scoffed at by the scientific community.

::facedesks::

God must have had a sense of humor when he created certain individuals.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:26

By the way, if people are curious how I'm busting all this out? >I< do not have training, but my amazing girlfriend has nearing THREE years in this field, going for four before she moves on.

So, the person with three years of intense training vs. guy with one. I'll let you pick who to believe.

PS: She says this guy is a moron.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 03 Sep 2010 15:16

Hi Moo;

You know me better than that. I try to keep the forums as open as possible. The best thing that can happen is for Gorelik to say his piece and have his ideas soundly thrashed yet again. As I said, I considered removing his post because of the fear that it might cause, but the issue is that we need to address all of the 2012 rumors, even the ones that seem facile, inane and pointless. For example, I was recently asked if we could do a page debunking the 'zombie apocalypse' idea. At first I rejected it, but I got to thinking that this is actually something that some people will be worried about.

Gorelik and "Zombie Apocalypse", they're right up the same alley.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Golrelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:38

RikardM wrote: You claimed that LHC would kill us all when it was turned on,..

No. I wrote something like: "There is a big probability, that…"

We do not know some values, first of all, the cross-section of dangerous droplets creation in p-p collisions.

Let's try three cases:

1. LHC makes 1 000 000 droplets per second and was stopped on the next day. Then in a one day of its work it will make 100 000 000 000 droplets.
I switch on my program and i can see, that the Earth will be ruined in 6 days.

2. LHC made only 1 000 000 droplets and was stopped. I switch on my program and i can see, that the Earth will be ruined in 268 days.

3. LHC made only 1 droplet and was stopped. I switch on my program and i can see, that the Earth will be ruined in 74 years.

If you switch on my program, you will see some other unknown parameters. I you switch on your brain, you will understand, that there is a very big probability, that we already are doomed to die in the period from 2010 to 2013.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 11:59

Yep. Your machine that only you understand cause you refuse to submit it.

Still waiting btw.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

A Monkey (guest) 04 Sep 2010 14:04

Ivan Gorelik is a dumb ass, Albert Einstein would be ashamed

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 03 Sep 2010 14:56

Why do I always sleep through these kinds of posts?

I've just got to chip in with a note about this:

Do not fear. We have a sacred mission – not only to die, but to bring the life to other stellar systems.

Why does that sound like a religiously motivated suicide to me? Why does it remind me of the Heavens Gate videos, all calm and you could argue reassuring, except for the utter stupidity of the claim?

The fact - fact - that this Universe of ours churns away and that the death of a star leads to the life of something else is fascinating, there is no doubt about that. But then someone like you comes along, calmly drops their load of tosh at somebodies doorstep and reassures them that there is a grand plan, an underlying quest that we're all a part of…

There has already been one reported case of LHC related suicide that I know of - Chayya Lal, a 16 year old Indian girl was traumatized by TV programs spouting nonsense about the end of the world, and despite her parents telling her there was no need to worry, she drank a pesticide from her fathers farm.

She was in such a state that she thought suicide was the answer. I don't even have to know you, Ivan, to know that it is people like you who cause this line of thought to go through peoples minds. People like you who do not give a shit about others, instead only trying to get attention for yourself, your 15 minutes of fame.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 03 Sep 2010 15:04

People like you who do not give a shit about others, instead only trying to get attention for yourself, your 15 minutes of fame.

I do believe that's the first time that I've seen Elliot curse.
I'm proud of you!

Not only am I proud of you, I completely agree with you. This Ivan individual is a good example as to why I question whether or, not our species would actually be worth saving, thankfully, though, good people always seem to stop by that reminds me of the potential that we, as good people, have.

Ivan, however.. God must have been stoned. That's all I have to say.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 03 Sep 2010 15:32

I do believe that's the first time that I've seen Elliot curse.

When you need impact, bring 'em to the table. Can't fecking form a fricking good argument if I smegging swear every five frakking seconds.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Winters1 03 Sep 2010 15:50

What a jerk off this guys is well i wont comment on this dude sound to crazy for me all of you are doing a good job on busting his bubble that he is living in, I have to thank yoy all.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 03 Sep 2010 15:53

When you need impact, bring 'em to the table. Can't fecking form a fricking good argument if I smegging swear every five frakking seconds.

Best line in the history of man. I laughed so hard at that. Thank you, I needed a giggle.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 03 Sep 2010 18:16

Best line in the history of man. I laughed so hard at that. Thank you, I needed a giggle.
Why do you sag?
Who is this 3WMElliott?

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 03 Sep 2010 18:40

Who is this 3WMElliott?

Your moral and mental superior.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Tony (guest) 03 Sep 2010 19:23

So there have been quite a few real physicists that think this guy is nuts?

I hate people like this, who seem so convincing to people who aren't trained in physics, astronomy, etc…

I'm just too nice, I want to believe everyone…and it gets me in trouble with myself. I guess I also watch too many movies where there is always one guy who saves the world because of something he found that others didn't. But, when I think about it…that doesn't exist in reality. I guess this guy is just missing that piece of his brain that allows him to think "maybe I am wrong"

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 03 Sep 2010 19:39

I hate people like this, who seem so convincing to people who aren't trained in physics, astronomy, etc…

That can't be stressed enough. Preying on those who do not know, fear mongering. I do hope Ivan isn't trying to make money off of this belief system.

And yes, reading over this thread and the first few pages of the Physforum thread, I am going to say it is a belief system.

What physicist, what scientist in their right mind would write the sentence:

Don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Alene Y 03 Sep 2010 19:40

Nice one, Astro, and a big thumbs up to Elliott.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Kevin (guest) 03 Sep 2010 20:55

What physicist, what scientist in their right mind would write the sentence:
Don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission.

Right on the dot.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 03 Sep 2010 23:51

You're right. Neutrinos are low-interacting. As I said, I was second-hand transmitting messages. But the fact is, they're low-interacting, and what Ivan (Whom I'm beginning to think is not the real Ivan, but a troll who took all his work from months ago and is trying to stir up trouble) is suggesting IS suspect at best.

The fact you couldn't explain what neutrinos were until after I opened up is the amusing factor to consider. So while I did make an error (Remember, I have no training in psychics. All of my information was being given to me over the phone by my girlfriend whom was, you know, at classes during that time. Some wires got crossed), I STILL managed to prove my point.

So, the question is…

1) Is this really Ivan Gorelik?

2) If it is, why is he suffering from spelling issues, and is suddenly taking this stance? Doesn't seem quite like him unless he's gone insane since the psychics forum ate him a new one.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 04 Sep 2010 01:31

I think it is Ivan Gorelik.

Compare his page at http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ to the top post on this page.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 04 Sep 2010 02:05

I wonder if he 'completed one year of psychics training' or 'got kicked out after one year'.

My girlfriend thinks it's the latter.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 04 Sep 2010 05:23

I haven't gone through any physics classes and even I choose the latter.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 04 Sep 2010 13:43

Smashing, he's managed to link Adolf Hitler to the Large Hadron Collider. Because that'll make his argument more valid…

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 04 Sep 2010 15:06

UndeadxNurse wrote: I find it difficult to believe that the Large Hadron Collider poses a threat to the existence of our species or, our planet, considering of course, that the LHC has already undergone tests, the first test being in 2008, and as a result, it was halted due to a flaw and in spite of the flaw, we're still alive.

In 2008 there were no collisions. How many days, a swarm of one / or million / or hundred of billions of droplet(s) of dangerous condensate need in order to grow and emit the energy, sufficient to send all matter of the Earth into cosmos with velocity about 10 km/s? Answers: 74 years / 268 days / 6 days, correspondingly, if..?

UndeadxNurse wrote: Another test had taken place in 2009, the second time was successful and the first protons were collided. We're still here.

Yes, the energy of collisions was 0.45 TeV per proton or 0.9 TeV per collision. How many days, a swarm of one / or million / or hundred of billions of droplet(s) of dangerous condensate need in order to grow and emit the energy, sufficient to send all matter of the Earth into cosmos with velocity about 10 km/s? Answers: 74 years / 268 days / 6 days, correspondingly, if..?

UndeadxNurse wrote: Another test had taken place in 2009, the second time was successful and the first protons were collided. We're still here.

UndeadxNurse wrote: Another collision was performed this year, and as a result, set a record for the highest energy man-made particle collision. We're still here.
Do not hurry with conclusions. How many days, a swarm of one / or million / or hundred of billions of droplet(s) of dangerous condensate need in order to grow and emit the energy, sufficient to send all matter of the Earth into cosmos with velocity about 10 km/s? Answers: 74 years / 268 days / 6 days, correspondingly, if..?

UndeadxNurse wrote: The LHC is actually going to be disabled in 2012, so that's going to make it difficult to have a doomsday caused by the LHC.

Yes. It seems that CERN physicists are superstitious cowards, because they are not planning to collide particles in 2012. But the Earth can be torn on fragments in 2012 by dangerous droplets which were made in 2010, 2011.

UndeadxNurse wrote: So, I have come to the conclusion that the LHC makes for a terrible doomsday device or, doomsayers are clinging to their last option since all other scenarios have been thoroughly debunked, repeatedly.

I can see nothing special in the year 2012. The last day of Earth can be in 2010, 2011 or in 2013. There is a big probability (several dozens of percents) that the dangerous condensate is impossible and, consequently, the Earth will not been exploded. But there is also an opposite probability, so, fasten your belts…

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 04 Sep 2010 15:21

But the Earth can be torn on fragments in 2012 by dangerous droplets which were made in 2010, 2011.

Except for the fact that it's all in your imagination.

There is a big probability (several dozens of percents) that the dangerous condensate is impossible and, consequently, the Earth will not been exploded. But there is also an opposite probability, so, fasten your belts…

Again, repeating claims instead of defending them is a common woo error.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Astrogeek 05 Sep 2010 06:08

I can see nothing special in the year 2012.

So you are admitting you are way off topic? Then by all means, please post your ideas elsewhere. This site is dedicated to refuting the entire "2012 doomsday scenario". The LHC fears are a part of that, but really, I've seen a massive decline in LHC related questions since the successful tests.

There is a big probability (several dozens of percents) that the dangerous condensate is impossible and, consequently, the Earth will not been exploded.

Actually, you are low with your estimate of 'several dozens of percents'. The probability that your 'dangerous condensate is impossible' much higher. It is difficult to evaluate, because as others have pointed out, you have not submitted your ideas to peer review. But more to the point, the probability that such a 'dangerous condensate' could be produced by the puny energies available to us here on earth is 100% impossible.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 05 Sep 2010 09:48

Astogeek wrote: But more to the point, the probability that such a 'dangerous condensate' could be produced by the puny energies available to us here on earth is 100% impossible.

Puny energy! Look!

1. More than 30 years ago academician Migdal wrote about “pion condensation”, and as a result about different state of nuclear matter. In a conclusion he had wrote that neutron stars can have different masses. I would name the smallest droplet of Migdal’s condensate, consisting from 1000 neutrons, as a “neutron condensate”. Migdal wrote also about the possibility to receive these different states of nuclear state at some of future colliders. Migdal did not wrote that the further condensation of ordinary matter onto microscopic neutron star will transform the Solar system into the usual neutron star and that will kill us all. The cause that he had not wrote this is clear; - he did not want to be closed into psychiatric hospital.

By the way, dear Astrogeek, the puny energy of one p-p collision at LHC is sufficient in order to create two jets, consisting of 3500 neutrons and 3500 antineutrons. Chiral magnetic effect of this high-energy collision can make an alignment between particles and antiparticles in jets/droplets; and align their spins. Pauli exclusion principle can be excluded by different spatial places of neutrons and, as a result, by different energy states of neutrons in neutron droplet.

2. Puny energy of 3.5 TeV p-p collision is sufficient in order to create a droplet, consisting of about 7000 x-bosons, which are smallest constituent elements of magnetic hole. These elements are microscopic magnets NS. Magnetic hole is dipole, has some properties of magnetic monopole (catalyses of proton decay in a super-strong magnetic field) and some properties of ferromagnetic vacuum of Savidy.

3. Puny energy of 3.5 TeV p-p collision is sufficient in order to create two jets, consisting of about 3500 lambda-hyperons and 3500 anti-lambda-hyperons. Read about chiral magnetic effect in the point 1.

4. Puny energy of 3.5 TeV p-p collision is sufficient in order to create two jets, consisting of about 1500 lambda-hyperons and 1500 anty-lambda-hyperons, 1500 neutrons and 1500 antineutrons. In this case we can receive electrically neutral substance consisting from neutrons (udd), and lambda-hyperons (uds). It is possible that such nuclear matter can by more stable as proton(uud)/neutron(udd) state. Read about chiral magnetic effect in the point 1.

5. …

6. …
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Puny energy of 3.5 TeV p-p collision is sufficient in order to create hundreds of different types of condensates, which can by described theoretically.
…

If one of such type of subnuclear condensate is more stable that our ordinary nuclei (condensates, made of protons and neutrons) than the ordinary matter will be transformed into more stable dangerous condensate. This transition will by accompanied by explosion. Astronomers can see about 15 such explosions in our Galaxy every year. We are the next!

So, don’t fear to die and perform your sacred mission. Fasten your safety belts; - be ready to biosphere’s suicidal reproduction!

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 05 Sep 2010 10:14

The cause that he had not wrote this is clear; - he did not want to be closed into psychiatric hospital.

Clear, eh? You don't think it's possible that, say, such ideas are simply WRONG?

Puny energy of 3.5 TeV p-p collision is sufficient in order to create a droplet, consisting of about 7000 x-bosons, which are smallest constituent elements of magnetic hole.

Puny energy of 3.5 TeV is sufficient to create a smoorjenflob, consisting of about 7,000 x-bosons, which are the smallest constituent elements of a toopermarboblasterjack. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 05 Sep 2010 10:16

Gee, I wonder why he'd be sent to the loony bin for his ideas. Wait, he wouldn't be. Because he would have submitted them through the process and have gotten either positive or negative reviews. If he then went around screaming anyone working on particle collision are mass murders, but it's okay because it's our 'sacred mission' to die? THAT is loony bin worthy.

I don't understand you, Ivan. I really don't. Your base your work off work that has no merit. Your work has no merit because you're convinced the scientific community would shoot you down. Do you wonder why you think this? Because deep blow your fear-mongering insanity, your sub-conscious reminds you of how insane your theories are.

You admit that all of your work and your basis of your work is theoretical, a theory. A theory that has not been reviewed by any level of physics-trained individuals (Let's ignore PhyForums own individuals who have already done your work for you and presented why it doesn't make sense) should NOT be launched around in an attempt to drive individuals to attack CERN. Which is exactly what you want.

You are angry at CERN. You hate CERN. You have been brainwashed by another individual who refused to submit his work because he had to be right. The only way to be right is not allow anyone to prove you wrong. You are trying to inspire chaos. You are trying to provoke more actions like the CERN hacking.

You are a madman. You are not a crusader attempting to educate the masses. You are an insane fool. If you are truly convinced that our 'sacred mission' is to explode by a man-made particle colliding device, then you're really one sick bastard.

Your lack of training shows.

Your lack of reasoning shows.

Your lack of understanding physics shows. (Ouch, coming from someone with no training. Sure glad I'm doin' a 3-year trained physics babe! BOW CHIKA!)

Your lack of intelligence shows. (You still failed to answer my question as to why neutrinos suddenly become so dangerous. You continue to skirt around this, because you can't explain it.)

But the most obvious point of all this is? Your little "percentile" chart. After the LHC is shut down for good in, ironically, 2012? You will say some time later that we got 'lucky', but it was a good thing the 'CERN criminals' were stopped before it was too late.

You purposely set yourself up for a no-lose situation. Except, you know, your public image and personal intelligence being smacked around left and right.

But I apologize. You clearly cannot be wrong about your theories because you refuse to have them submitted and put to the process.

Honestly? I think you're jealous. I think you're jealous that you were not a part of any of the particle collision projects, and now attack them in your spiteful rage.

Or maybe I'm giving you too much credit. Perhaps your mind has been poisoned so far that you refuse to believe any alternatives other than your own 'facts'. Or lack there of.

This is not a scientist. This is a zealot. You are a zealot.

And a madman!

And a fool!

And insane!

Tell me, Ivan. How does it feel to have caused more deaths than the LHC has? And don't blame CERN for it. Really. That was just childish. Individuals like you are what cause the suicides, not the research CERN makes.

Tell me. How do you feel? How do you feel that you are a direct contribution to suicides?

Or are you that much of a heartless zealot that you still can't be wrong, when you've clearly been proven wrong months ago?

I really don't want to say this, but let me go ahead and say this. Go find a small pistol. Go put a bullet into it. Say a silent prayer. Put the barrel to your head. Close your eyes. Pull the trigger.

Perform your sacred mission a bit earlier than the rest of us supposedly are. Please.

Thank you. You bastard.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

DeathDealer (guest) 05 Sep 2010 10:54

You are very inaccurate in your claims, Gorelik, if your claims were accurate, we would already be seeing the effects of the droplets if they were created in 2009, we would then see a devastating effect by Fall of this year and thus far we have not seen any effects that you have described as a result to the droplets. The time frame that you have given is very, very inaccurate and your knowledge of the matter is of poor standings, in fact, if we are to precisely follow the theory that you have given to the public, we should have been seeing the effects of the droplets some time in July of this year, if the droplets were created this year, we should see the effects by late July, or mid-August of 2011. Another flaw that you currently have that worries me is that you have not submitted this theory to peer-review, if it is "correct", which it is not.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

UndeadxNurse 05 Sep 2010 12:52

He also fails to factor in that particle collisions of this scale and higher occur frequently in their natural environment and guess what, we're still alive!

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Ivan Gorelik (guest) 05 Sep 2010 13:33

Dear Moo, you are quite young, you have no physical education. Consequently, your conclusions about my ideas have no any cost. Your girl-friend, which is a 3-rd year physics student is also very young in order to believe her words. I’m 52 and I do not want to answer at your crude words. Do not afraid neutrinos. I did not say that neutrinos are dangerous.

Dear DeathDealer, try my program http://darkenergy.narod.ru/Explosion.exe and look how many days does the Explosion last. Investigate, please, this interval dependence from the quantity of created microscopic droplets; from the velocity of particles in the hot plasma babbles around the droplets; from the density of dark matter inside droplets. If you will make it, you will understand, that it is quite early to say that contemporary collisions at LHC are safe. If you do not trust my program, make the analogues program yourself, please.

Dear UndeadxNurse, do not lie, please. In my page “Crude Errors in Risk Assessment of Colliders”, http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html you can find the text which contradicts to your assertion. I’ll copy part of it here:

Dear physicists, you again and again repeat the biggest error of Stephen Hawking.
In the CERN's article “The safety of the LHC”
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html you can find a dozen of comparisons with cosmic rays.

Hawking: "The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on. The LHC is absolutely safe. … Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens."

This error will cost us the life of our Civilization.

The biggest error is in the comparison of A and B.
A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.

Similarity: Energies in A and B are sufficient in order to make microscopic magnetic holes.

Difference: Velocities of created holes relatively surrounding matter are drastically great.
A. Magnetic holes, made on LHC, can have very small velocities.
B. According to conservation law of 4-momentum, cosmic holes have relativistic velocities.

Result:
A. LHC’s holes capture slowly moving particles and grow. The bigger hole becomes – the bigger its rate of growth.
B. Atmosphere particles move relatively holes with relativistic velocities and, correspondingly, they have TeV kinetic energy, relatively holes. As a result, magnetic holes evaporate immediately. Such collisions lead to creation of showers of secondary particles. Physicists observe such showers.

Analogy:
Let’s compare the behavior of “nuclear quasi-hole” with the behavior of magnetic hole. Let’s investigate two cases:

A. Bombarding particles are neutrons, having the kinetic energies, equal to several in eV.
B. Bombarding neutrons have kinetic energies, equal to several TeV.

Approximate result:
A. Collapse:
p+n -> d;
d+n -> t -> He3+e;
He3+n -> He4;
He4+n -> He5;
He5+n -> He6 -> Li6+e;
Li6+n -> Li7;
Li7+n -> Li8 -> Be8+e;
Be8+n -> Be9;
Be9+n -> Be10;
…
U235+n -> X+Y+2n
X+n ->…; Y+n ->…
two branches;
…
four branches;
…
eight branches;
…

B. Evaporation. TeV-energy neutrons will ruin the nucleus in the backward order in crude approximation.

Nuclear collapse is impossible because the repulsive electrostatic forces of protons. That is way, I named nucleus by “nuclear quasi-holes”.
Magnetic collapse has no limit. Magnetic hole will grow till there is the food, - the matter of planet or star.

Physicists, did you see the difference?

Look here: [[http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg]]

That is an image of remnants of exploded star.
You can see there three beautiful semi axial rings.
Axial symmetry says us that there was the magnetic collapse, but not the gravity collapse.
Magnetic hole has axial symmetry because it is a compact magnetic dipole.
Black hole must have spherical symmetry, if it is not rotate.

The Earth after the magnetic collapse will transform into a small region of exited superconducting vacuum. This region’s diameter is about 10 meters. The thickness is about 2.5 meters. The strength of magnetic field in this region is about 10^16 teslas. Because of the strong magnetic interaction, this small magnetic hole will move on spiral trajectory to the Sun. As a result, the Sun will explode and astronomy amateurs from neighbor stellar systems will observe novae or supernovae phenomenon. Alien stephen hawkings will say: “The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on. The LHC is absolutely safe. … Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens”

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

TheGreatJuju 05 Sep 2010 14:08

Dear Ivan Gorelik,

You continue to make the error of confusing repetition of your claims with defending them.

That is way, I named nucleus by “nuclear quasi-holes”.

Yes, your entire "argument" (and I use that term loosely) is based around you making up ideas and words that have no demonstrable connection to anything in reality.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

RickardM 05 Sep 2010 14:46

Can't we all just agree to disagree with this lunatic? As long as he gets responses he'll continue to go on about his crackpot claims, and no one on the entire face of the earth will ever, ever be able to prove him wrong, because none of his claims make any sense whatsoever if you are a sane person.

Apparently, Ivan Gorelik doesn't fall in under the latter category so why not simply stop feeding this lunacy any further?

Everyone with even the most basic knowledge of physics knows that he is wrong, and why he is wrong. But Ivan is obviously smarter than every single scientist in the whole wide world and is light years beyond the Standard model of physics.

I mean, come on, should we really allow ourselfs to step down to his level of sanity? I think not. We, and all the readers of this page and its forums are better than him. Just ignore him, there is absolutelly no point in having any kind of discussion with him.

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Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

3WMElliott 05 Sep 2010 16:01

I'd rather have his time wasted on a 2012 forum where nobody agrees with him, than for him to be out talking to people who do not know about the LHC for example.

But yes, he wants attention, we're fattening him up on it, no arguments from me there.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Moo (guest) 05 Sep 2010 17:07

Whatever, we've proved our point. The only reason he's still posting is exactly for those reasons. That, and he believes we can't counter his theories.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Mike Poulin (guest) 05 Sep 2010 18:07

I don't know if it's possible to do this but i suggest the administrator lock this topic before Ivan or anyone else can respond to it that way the argument ends/

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

Alene Y 05 Sep 2010 19:22

We usually try to not be like the doomsayers, who block anyone disagreeing with them. However, if we ignore him, he will probably go away as Raymond Mardyks finally did. I think he got tired of getting no responses to his nonsensical rants.

Re: People made "The end of life in 2012" themselves.

bikenbeer2000 05 Sep 2010 20:56

People like Gorelik exist only to draw attention to themselves and provoke others. The thing they would hate most is to be ignored. So…