Hello StarHeart,
If it's possible to make any progress here on the issues you mention, we're more likely to make it if we start out by granting the possibility that we all want to arrive, eventually, at the truth.
I'll make only one observation, which I hope will demonstrate 2012hoax's good faith. That observation is that I put very little trust in Wikipedia. I once documented that they were misquoting John Major Jenkins in a way that was damaging to him, whereupon they replied that the misquote would stand because it was from a reliable, verifiable source.
I told you the above in hopes that it might (1) encourage all of us in this thread to refer to sources more reliable than Wikipedia, and (2) suggest to you that do I try to be somewhat of an honest man. As further evidence of that, I'd add my posts in this thread, and my authorship of this article, in which I confess that I unwisely helped popularize a serious error committed by debunkers of 2012. Please note that I wrote that page with the explicit approval of 
Astrogeek, the founder of this website.
I hope this helps. I won't be participating further in this thread.
StarHeart (guest) 19 Oct 2010 22:48
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