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So i happened to stumble through my favorites selection i found the World to Come Videos about 2012 and The Book of Revelation any hardcore religious believer that the Bible says something will happen in 2012 who is Christian please watch these videos and see if your opinion changes at all.
Any 'hardcore' religious individual would know right off the bat that 'no one knows' when the world will end. To do so would be lying, and lying is a sin.
The Bible itself cannot know it, as the Bible is not the Word of God, but the Word of God written. As such, if someone wanted to hide a 'message' within it, they would be going against God himself.
Also, here's a stupid newsflash that people seem to forget: The events of Christ happened before the Gregorian Calendar was established. Kind of hard to set the date to 2012 if that concept of time had not existed yet, yo.
I'll note now, David C Pack is not a man to be trusted in any light. He is simply joining the 2012 bandwagon to obtain more popularity and followers in this morphed little church. It's the same crap of "REPENT, ACCEPT GOD, AND FIND SALVATION!" fire and brimstone tactic that corrupt religious individuals have fired forth for centuries.
Regardless, it's nonsense. The original biblical texts are lost to us. Anything you read now is subject to being changed over the centuries. If someone actually put a 2012 message into it, I'd laugh. Because it's just so absurd.
Ultimately, none of the canonical biblical texts are a book of prophecy. One needs not prophecy if one is omnipotent. Or is God a lie? hum…
You're making your math on the wrong scale… Your equations are based on a 3 to 4 dimensional world… When the universe has 11… Then the omnipotent would balance up just like a neutron… In fact, we can be as well in 2 places at the same time (though, not everywhere)… Even The Bible mentions the principle of parallel universes & multiple dimensions… And you did not know that either… By the way, the prophecies are not for God, but for us… Hello (?)
Your equations are based on a 3 to 4 dimensional world…
Because that is what we observe and operate in. If more dimensions exist, great, but without a demonstrable and testable effect, it's like invoking gods and magic.
I don't even know whom you're responding to. Moo didn't offer any "equations."
When the universe has 11…
You don't know this, and neither does anyone else.
Then the omnipotent would balance up just like a neutron…
Pure assertion.
In fact, we can be as well in 2 places at the same time (though, not everywhere)…
No, "we" can't. Particles can.
Even The Bible mentions the principle of parallel universes & multiple dimensions…
No, it doesn't.
By the way, the prophecies are not for God, but for us… Hello (?)
Prophecy is imaginary. Hello?
This is not a religious board in place for you to proselytize. If you've got something to say about 2012, say it. If not, go preach somewhere else.
Even The Bible mentions the principle of parallel universes & multiple dimensions…
Where in the Bible do they mention "parallel universes" or "multiple dimensions"? In which book?
You are reading into the Bible things that just are not there.
It sounds that you actually haven't read it yourself at all.
One's convictions should be proportional to one's evidence. - Sam Harris
Sir i beleive in God the Father God the son God the Holy Spirit.I feel that unless you ask God the only true God to uncover your eyes if if your a true believer he will.Look at the world we live in today 2011 it resembles several different passages in the Bible .From the book of Moses and the passage in Genesis ,I believe about Sodom and Gomorrah how corrupt the city was . And theres many more in the Bible if you study the word .Our world at this very moment is dying because of unrepentance of prideful ,vain ,deceitful ,greedy etc.men.Its right in the Bible .You cant see in the spirit because you dont live in the spirit ,Im very sorry for you and pray that you humble yourself before a wonderful and patience loving God through his loving son you can find peace . And David C Pack always back whatever he says by scriptures ,i just started listening and watching his videos and i really find what he says to be valid.And i havent really found any other speaker like him that i can remember of.and im very careful who i listen to and have been to several different churches,since i was a child .I understand everything he says and before i always got in trouble for asking pastors questions related to what David Pack talks about ,before i ever knew who he was .The same questions about the sabbath the holidays and everything spoken and answered by him from the word.
Sir i beleive in God the Father God the son God the Holy Spirit.I feel that unless you ask God the only true God to uncover your eyes if if your a true believer he will.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Our world at this very moment is dying because of unrepentance of prideful ,vain ,deceitful ,greedy etc.men.
No, it isn't.
You cant see in the spirit because you dont live in the spirit
Age old excuse employed by your ilk to excuse your poor reasoning skills.
And David C Pack always back whatever he says by scriptures
See: shoehorning. I can build a doomsday mythos around the divinely-inspired works of Tolkien, if you so desire. What? Tolkien wasn't divinely-inspired? Heresy.
i just started listening and watching his videos and i really find what he says to be valid.And i havent really found any other speaker like him that i can remember of.and im very careful who i listen to and have been to several different churches,since i was a child .I understand everything he says and before i always got in trouble for asking pastors questions related to what David Pack talks about ,before i ever knew who he was .The same questions about the sabbath the holidays and everything spoken and answered by him from the word.
That's great and all, but your personal opinion of someone, or the warm-fuzzy feelings you get listening to him, doesn't mean that anything he says is true, nor does serve as a de facto argument in his favor. Sorry to disappoint.
This isn't the place for your proselytizing. If you want to defend David Pack, then make coherent arguments to that effect. Nobody here is interested in how he makes you feel or your religious history.
Look at the world we live in today 2011 it resembles several different passages in the Bible .
No it is not. 2011 is no exception, the things that are happening now also happened in 2010, 2009, 2008,….1900, 1898,…. Earth quakes happen all the time since human existence, animals did die since human existence, wars happened all the time since human existence, climate changed since human existence.
The reason why you think you see something is because you are ignoring all things that do not match with your believe system. You are even ignoring all other gods that might be more real than the one you follow. Hindu gods are older for example.
Assuming that Mr.David C. Pack is part of the van wagon or something to that effect… Well, that's irrelevant…Yes, something may happen to Earth in this indicated day… But what Mr. Pack mention is true… Is not the end of the world… It may be "the end of the world as we know it" as R.E.M used to sing, but not the end of the world. The changes are all over us… From the society behavior to the natural changes on Earth… But is not the end of the world… In fact, according to Revelation, the Earth would be so hot that people would have to cover themselves with heavy clothing as they would be by a desert… The anti-christ is not here yet… The 2 men that would die in the street and rise from the dead aren't here yet either… Lot's of things are pending… Whatever happens we'd survive and not just a few… BUT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE AFTER… That's what you ought to start praying right here, right now!!! May God light up your vision!!!
The changes are all over us… From the society behavior to the natural changes on Earth…
Please provide evidence for this claim.
The changes are all over us…
We always had changes in the world. That's not new.
That's what you ought to start praying right here, right now!!! May God light up your vision!!!
Ok, your Bible-decoder, you don't read the Bible, obviously:
"“But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be watchful! Be alert! You do not know when the time will come.” – Mark 13:32-33"
It was good to laugh at your ideas.
That's what you ought to start praying right here, right now!!! May God light up your vision!!!
Pray to which god? There are many out there. ;-)
Sir i beleive you already know which God thats why you are confused and angry .Its just fear once you know him the one and only loving God and his son Jesus Christ our Saviour you will ask him your questions and he will guide you to the truth .I was a person of the streets not by choice ,but because of my home life with my Christian Mom and my Drugged out abusive both physically and mentally Dad,I shot up so much drugs as a young child to cover up the mental strain of home.I recently lost my only son ,who before he died at the age of 20 personal trainer ,wrestler,and on his way to a college that he was accepted at .Well long story I have daughters that the youngest is in prison for someone else and the oldest is abuse its a long story .ButWhat im saying is I gave my life to Jesus in 2002 and the healing has all in pray everything is in Gods plan.My son who was 6'3 245lbs humble shy also before someone took his life gave his life to God and went back and was baptized a year before he was murdered.people asked me how could i even function at work and at the time i did know but i said he wasnt mind to begin with we belong to the most high God there was a reason .My son knew it and so did i ,he had these dreams every since he was little and my relatives thought something was wrong with him whenever he scream out in his sleep.He was giving ,loving and too kind for this world a friend said and everyone else ,she said i dont think he was suppose to be here.I dont know i just wanted to share a little .You should try getting on your knees and talk to God its amazing and sometimes a scary for me ,but he gave me this strength and love abundantly and it feels GREAT!!!!!!!! They dont call me sunshine for nothing.HIS LOVE IS POWERFUL AND SO IS HIS DISCIPLINE
Sir i beleive you already know which God thats why you are confused and angry
Oh for godsake.
You should try getting on your knees and talk to God its amazing and sometimes a scary for me ,but he gave me this strength and love abundantly and it feels GREAT!!!!!!!! They dont call me sunshine for nothing.HIS LOVE IS POWERFUL AND SO IS HIS DISCIPLINE
Look, your preferences in your personal relationships are none of my business.
Ha, come to a forum that uses scientific method to provide evidence and then go on about how magic explains it all. I kind of wonder what these kind of people were doing during the world war's or the great depression. How was that not the end of the world, and this is? Just because information travels faster and you hear more about it and you can't bury your head in the sand? puhleeze
Sir i beleive you already know which God thats why you are confused and angry
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Its just fear once you know him the one and only loving God and his son Jesus Christ our Saviour you will ask him your questions and he will guide you to the truth
1) You're in the wrong forum. ;-)
2) He will guide us to the truth… that 2012 is fake!
Guys guys guys…
I know this sheila character is obnoxious, but as a Christian. These responses are offensive. Not all Christians are crazy like this here Sheila. But there is no need to bash any religion like you are doing. All you have to say is you don't agree with their views. Don't make fun of the religion. I'm sure it is upsetting to other people here that are Christian and see you guys making fun like that. I undertstand your just annoyed, and I am too. But no need for those harsh words.
You guys rock! I Just had to put my two cents in
*live*laugh*love*dance*
I hope you don't think I was making fun of the religion. I am a christian myself, but I use it as more of a guide rather than in a literal sense. After centuries of the bible being tampered with, its really not intelligent to take it word for word. I feel though that if there were more people who used it as guidelines, it would be a better place.
Ranting about how I am right and you are wrong is hardly christian-like. Scaring children into thinking the end of the world is near is hardly christian-like. Seeing what you want to see, and ignoring everything else is hardly christian-like.
I am not criticizing Sheila for her beliefs, I am criticizing her for being hypocritical to the max.
Oh I completely agree James! I know you guys well enough to get your sense of humor but some people visiting this site might not. Just a heads up. :)
This Sheila is not very Christian like for sure, you are very right about that. I don't agree with how she/he is acting. But I could care less about sheila. Haha
*live*laugh*love*dance*
There's a difference between faith in God, and faith in religion. I'll let you be the one to judge what it is.
Regardless, I generally only attack Christianity when I know the subject affects the religion as a whole. But I can understand your annoyance at automatic a- wait a second.
No one posted assuming that person was Christian. We posted assuming they were insane. You… should not have been offended.
I know this sheila character is obnoxious, but as a Christian. These responses are offensive.
Lindsay, these responses aren't directed at you or religious people in general. They're directed at one obnoxious person, to use your own term.
It is the general policy of this board, per Astrogeek, to keep religion out of debate, because we have a variety of belief systems represented here, and we don't want to alienate anyone. Whatever the case, I think that making jokes toward such a person's comments is far more benevolent than deconstructing them logically or outright deleting them. If we reach the point of debating the merits of a faith per se, instead of just making cracks about some silly wall o' text telling obaeyens that he's "confused and angry," then we've got a problem, but I don't think anyone here has sought to overtly disparage Christianity.
FWIW, posts like Sheila's are pretty darn offensive unto themselves.
This is fun : )
http://gawker.com/#!116903/a-reminder-that-things-could-always-be-worse
Yep, I think some people just get a little too comfortable and when things aren't going perfect, and when its not, there has to be an explanation as to why God is allowing this. There can't possibly be no reason *sarcasm*
Hi Sheila,
I'm very sorry that all these terrible things have happened to you, and if belief in God helps you, by all means stick with it. We have no quarrel with anyone's religion, only with the false prophets who are scaring kids to death.
We have people of several religions or belief systems participating here, but this site is based on science. Science and religion aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Just don't expect us to fall on our knees anytime soon. We are kept busy trying to help people.
The Bible says nothing about the year 2012. I have actually read the thing, and don't remember any mention about 2012.
People claiming these sort of things are making their own assumptions and interpretations, based on their wild imagination.
Why should you take them seriously? Answer: you don't have to.
One's convictions should be proportional to one's evidence. - Sam Harris
Bump thread
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
Practice what you want to and dont give up on you'r dreams my dream is to become a basketball player 'NBA'
why are you bumping this thread?
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
There was another discussion asking the same quastions
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
Practice what you want to and dont give up on you'r dreams my dream is to become a basketball player 'NBA'
Do me a favor, and instead of 'bumping' threads, refer the questions to relevant pages/threads.
David C. Pack specifically denies the 2012 date for any of his predictions (not that I find Pack to be a credible source, just pointing out that people linking Pack to 2012 are incorrect).
I'm locking this one down now.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
