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I'm not too worried emmy. It's 30,000 times further away from us than the sun is. I'm not Mathematician, but that's 30,000 times 150 million kilometers.
It is indeed interesting though. I wonder if they did catch evidence of it twice. If not, they'll have to wait awhile. :/
The theories are all there, have been for a while, as are the counter theories to suggest how such an object could not be responsible for this and that, and the counter counter theories about how it may be a different type of object entirely, you get the idea, lots of ideas and as yet no solid results.
WISE is an awesome mission, you can guess at how many new objects it's found and add a few naughts on the end and still not get close to the total count, if indeed it is a total count, it's still going until it gets too hot to operate effectively.
Strangely though, despite it finding brown dwarfs 10 light years away and the possibility of objects closer in, only one or two brief mentions of it have come from the Nibiru crowd. WISE is THE mission to confirm or deny anything they can make a claim for, but instead of watching for it's results, they're still stuck staring at image artifacts in SOHO imagery and known planets in STEREO imagery. Ridiculous.
I hope WISE finds something just so proponents can try and claim it as evidence for whatever they believe in at the time, because what they've claimed already isn't getting them very far.
I can't see what's scary about that?=) The whole article is about theories (old theories, on top of all), and not anywhere does it say anything about any new discoveries that in any way indicates some oncomming disaster. Interresting read though=)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
So this is basically a "What If" article?? What was the point?
So this is basically a "What If" article??
I'm not even sure it's that. Even *if* something like that is out there, it isn't necessarily throwing comets at us. Despite attempts to differentiate, this is just the old Nemesis hypothesis, spit-shined and a repackaged. It certainly isn't any concern to us.
I'm guessing the Nibiru believers are going to jump all over this. But isn't it supposed to already be in our solar system? And wouldn't a "giant stealth" planet have already been detected??
I'm guessing the Nibiru believers are going to jump all over this. But isn't it supposed to already be in our solar system?
It's supposed to be in our little neighborhood, at this point.
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The thing is, they just haven't. I've seen one video about this article on YouTube, and it was lost to the myriad of other nonsense after a day or two, just nobody seemed to care or spread it around. It might come back into the spotlight, haven't seen it myself.
The only thing that can come in stealthy and is big is a huge dark balloon with near zero mass.
But isn't it supposed to already be in our solar system?
Right now it should be at 8.06 Au from the Sun if it want to get here in time for the big party.
Well, as was stated before, this is a variant of the Nemesis hypothesis. That postulated a distant red- or brown-dwarf companion to the sun, which was supposed to perturb the oort cloud and send some comet barrages into the solar system.
Perhaps as a result of negative evidence for their star, they're changing it to a planet (Jupiter sized), which would be harder to detect. The problem still is that scientists like Mike Brown are able to find much smaller objects like Eris and Sedna, so why can't they find this large-ish planet? The simple explanation is that it doesn't exist.
So, the people who think that it is a possibility have to show that it exists (and show their data) before other scientists will accept it.
As far as the "Why?" question, this is how science works. Stuff starts out as speculation, then the data gathering occurs, and then the data are analyzed, and then a hypothesis is proposed, etc., etc. So a speculation that a large object might exist in the outer solar system is fine, but the proponents have to bring their data to the party before it becomes accepted.
Of course, if you're a 2012er, then Nibiru parties are data-optional.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Maybe this is a way of getting us ready to tell us Nibiru is real. I mean, couldn't this, if it real…whether its Tyce or Nemesis or even Nibiru…hit us like Jason Rand has been saying? This really frightens me. Until this article, I've always thought Nibiru was a crock.
That would require someone to have evidence of Nibiru in the first place. Nobody has evidence, and what evidence anybody puts forward is largely articles and discoveries like this, just jumping onto key words and claiming it as proof.
I'll try to think of analogy here, I usually use cars, so here we go.
Proponents claim there is a car which will go super fast, chuck out huge amounts of CO2, run over family pets, you name it, it's a bad car. Only there is no evidence of it ever having been built, and nobody can agree on the designs, the engine layout, the size of it's wheels, which road it's going to come down etc…
First, they claim a newspaper reported about it in the 80s. The newspaper actually reported about, iunno, a Lambourghini Jalpa, a car that turns out to be nothing like the 'death car' the proponents fear.
So they look for more news articles, and they find out about the Ferrari F50, and say it's the 'Death Car'. It's bigger, it's better, it's faster than the Jalpa, but it's still of no threat to family pets the world over. It's not actually a 'death car', it's just a car.
Here, we can pretend that this discovery is the Bugatti Veyron, a monster of a car, fastest road vehicle, definitely something you wouldn't want to get in the way of at a few hundred miles an hour. But it's not a 'death car', it's just a car.
This idea of Tyche and of Nemesis has been around for decades, especially Nemesis, but at the end of the day, if proven to be real (they still live in the realms of the hypothetical questions), they are still 'cars', they're still not the 'death car' that proponents want. There is simply no matching of what proponents claim will happen, and what science finds.
Proponents will always jump onto whatever bit of news they can twist into their vision, without doing the research into what their 'evidence' actually is, or could ever possibly do (for example, seemingly everywhere you look Nibiru is said to have a 3,600 year orbit, or will arrive in 2012, yet the only way these hypotheses of Tyche and Nemesis can ever be accurate is if such an object doesn't have such properties. If it did have such properties, they wouldn't be hypothetical, there would be tons of evidence).
Hopefully that's got some idea across to you. It might have ended up being far too lengthy a response as needed. Suffice it to say, you're right when you say "Nibiru was a crock". It still is, even with articles like this.
Grant you are safe for the next 20 years. Any big planet coming into our solar system gets noticed back 20 years before because it alters the outer planets orbits first. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are still at the right orbits like nothing is coming. You can easily check this with a telescope and your own eyes to see that these planets are right where they should be.
Because it's interesting, it'll grab attention, it'll be on a page containing adverts, adverts mean money, money means paying writers to get more stories, to get more adverts, to get more money, yada yada yada, Internet news in a nutshell.
The news has reported far weirder things in it's time than this. Indeed it's perhaps only because of the Internet the news is even bothering with this kind of article - I doubt this story has made any physical newspaper in the world, for example.
So why did they run this story?
They would be insane not to run the story, they're simply telling us "Hey! We found something new out there!"
and in a time when the search for another habitable planet is nearly in full-effect, these stories are essential to the public.
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If that article was reported on space.com why would they be looking for advertising?? How do we know this site is legit? Meaning how do we know you aren't trying to throw us off and kinda "pull the wool over our eyes"? I, personally, am terrified of the 2012 claims. Especially the Nibiru and pole shift and reversals.
Even Space.com needs to keep running somehow (in part by syndicating it's posts to places like Yahoo), the difference between Yahoo News and Space.com being that Space.com actually has a reason for posting interesting space articles beyond generating a bit of cash on the side, namely to fulfil it's quota of being a space and astronomy news website.
Whether the site is legitimate or not is not an issue because it's leads to the irony of 2012 and Nibiru claims in particular - for Nibiru to be physically possible, for Nibiru to follow the claims of the proponents exactly, it must be visible to you right now, whether you knew anything about the night sky or not. No amount of wool, applied in any manner, could escape billions of eyes looking at the night sky, let alone the hundreds of thousands of astronomers eyes, professional or amateur alike who could spot the unusual in an instant.
No science agrees with Nibiru claims. No science can find evidence of Nibiru. The hypothetical scenario of this article could very well exist, and it would still not be the Nibiru that proponents are telling you about, but something else entirely, and arguably far more awesome.
And nothing that could in no way threaten earth?? It couldn't hit us or anything?
In a word, no.
The best these hypothetical objects do is fling debris from the far outer solar system towards the inner solar system, comets, asteroids and the like. Being 'hit' by 100 tons of meteor bits a day is a walk in the park for Earth, you might even have seen shooting stars yourself. The bigger bits of rock and muck are rarer, the major impacts are rarer still.
To use a perhaps worse analogy than I tried before, pretend the Tyche and Nemesis hypothesis are exactly the same as a Unicorn. It wouldn't be nice to be stabbed by a Unicorns horn, but I don't live in fear of it because we have no evidence the Unicorn exists. Even if we were to find evidence, based on the huge amounts of hypothesis that have been done, the Unicorn will be found in a field miles and miles and miles away, well out of stabbing range in the first place.
These really are interesting ideas, but at the moment that's all they are - ideas. That's all proponents for doomsday have too, ideas, and no evidence to support them.
Without so much as blinking, jcattera purposely misrepresents Tyche to be Nibiru:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWphNcy9lYY
Let's set aside that Tyche is a theoretical construct. Even if real, it's a mostly circular orbit which never comes into the inner solar system. Typical jcattera bait-and-switch and/or object confusion.
Put on a comment and blocked in the first few minutes. Removed my comment aswell. He romoves everyone elses comments that go against it aswell to make it look like he has hundreds of belivers and truthseekers on his side. This guy is mental and sick:@
