WikiLeaks and 2012

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WikiLeaks and 2012

Grant (guest) 08 Dec 2010 01:14

Is there any potential for them to release any info on 2012 that can be used by doomsdayers? I mean, could there be documents regarding something that may happen and that's one of the big reasons for shuting them up? Other than potentially causing more problems with foreign relations…….

Moo (guest) 08 Dec 2010 01:29

Oh for craps sake. We just went over this yesterday, and it's also on the most recent threads as well.

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Yes. It is most likely a fact we will all die in 2012 due to Nibiru teleporting next to us and firing a Gamma Ray Burst at us that not only wipes out the Ozone Layer but also flips the magnetic poles of the earth immediately, causing the core to flip over and thus shifting the rotation of the earth. During all this, the Sun will unleash a devastating solar flare that will incinerate the Earth.

WikiLeaks will be leaking these documents soon.

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Monica (guest) 08 Dec 2010 01:34

I, too, havfYa know, Moo. Some people come this site for help and compassion. Not some smart a$$ comments. Help the kid…don't scare him more. I, too, have wondered if WikiLeaks has anything..seems they would've been released first tho.

matthew (guest) 22 Aug 2011 00:39

2012 is a loda lies

Moo (guest) 08 Dec 2010 01:39

If you could not tell I was being sarcastic, you need to go back to English classes in high school and do some serious studying on reading comprehension.

There's nothing I can really say to this. Honestly, what can be said? Do I think WikiLeaks will find something confirming 2012? No.

Monica (guest) 08 Dec 2010 01:48

Yes. I knew you were. But how many kids visit this site with concerns and genuine fears wouldn't have known?? There is absolutely no telling what WikiLeaks has…..personally, I'm scared.

Re: WikiLeaks and 2012

bikenbeer2000 08 Dec 2010 01:57

One might reasonably ask what information about 2012 any government might have. The navigation links at the left of the page debunk the principal doomsday claims. Is there something that even the doom-mongers haven't thought of? The known astronomical and geological threats have been covered. That only leaves random, unpredictable events. Governments don't have the ability to foretell random events any more than anyone else.

The doomsday discussion boards might be alive with chat about leaks of information about 2012, but they will be doomed to disappointment. I can say with great confidence that no such information will appear, as will be borne out over the coming days.

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Monica (guest) 08 Dec 2010 02:06

Thank you.

Astrogeek 08 Dec 2010 06:18

You're welcome, Monica.

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Aki (guest) 24 Jan 2011 10:15

First off, I don't think in the history of mankind has a doomsday prediction been so massively perpetuated. The Internet is the primary reason for this, so I am glad there are counter-sites like this one that play devils advocate.

Now for the question:

Are you sure you are right?

There seems to be major projects underway by various governments around the world to quickly create massive underground shelters…and the completion timetable is Before 2012. Furthermore, they seem to be stocking major long-term supplies - such as seeds, dried food, clean water etc.

Now, I'm a rational guy, and realize all this 2012 BS sounds more and more like a bad sci-fi movie (then they actually went ahead and created one even worse then I imagined it would be). However, does this enormous undertaking by various global governments not sound just a little concerning, particularly the time frame in which they are to be built?

When it comes to information, you have so many sources to sift through these days, it is mind-boggling. Worse yet, you never know what is fact or fiction, you have to research and figure that out on your own. The facts are out there, as are the counter-points, and the facts are starting to point to something being amiss.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this?

3WMElliott 24 Jan 2011 11:24

There seems to be major projects underway by various governments around the world to quickly create massive underground shelters

It only seems that way to you? My government isn't even doing diddlysquat for 2012, and we're an offshore financial center. Of all the places you'd have thought those in power would want to secure for a long time to come, it'd be the banks and the tax havens, but nope, not this one.

Furthermore, they seem to be stocking major long-term supplies - such as seeds, dried food, clean water etc.

Again, you're going to need to cite some sources, because these two areas appear to come straight out of a woo way of thinking.

The facts are out there, as are the counter-points, and the facts are starting to point to something being amiss.

We sure wouldn't mind looking at those facts to see if they really were pointing somewhere, because everything we've seen thus far says nothing out of the ordinary for next year.

bikenbeer2000 24 Jan 2011 11:49

counter-sites like this one that play devils advocate.

Devil's advocate is not the correct expression. From Answers.com:
"One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position."
This site certainly is a committed opponent to unfounded doomsday nonsense.

Are you sure you are right?

In the sense that not one doomsday claim made so far has stood up to scientific scrutiny, then the answer is yes. In the sense that the year 2012 and the date 21st December have not been shown to be anything other than an average year or day, then the answer is again yes. Anyone can go down the list of doomsday claims on the left and review the explanations and references for themselves.

There seems to be major projects underway by various governments around the world to quickly create massive underground shelters…and the completion timetable is Before 2012.

Where is the evidence for this? If you're taking it directly from one or more doomsday websites (who habitually make such claims without offering anything resembling direct evidence), then you should know better. TV broadcasts such as 'Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura' fall into the same category. All they offer is pure speculation and (at best) a few scraps of circumstantial evidence.

Many governments have underground shelters dating back to World War 2 and the Cold War. A lot of these shelters will still be in operational status today and would have undergone regular refurbishmment. But you have to remember that governments are perfectly well aware that claims of doomsday in 2012 are a hoax. They are not usually willing to spend money at the best of times and they're certainly not going to pour vast sums down the drain on the say-so of a bunch of new-age prophets and conspiracy crazies. They will listen to their own scientists, who will tell them that the doomsday claims are nonsense.

TheGreatJuju 24 Jan 2011 13:49

There seems to be major projects underway by various governments around the world to quickly create massive underground shelters…and the completion timetable is Before 2012. Furthermore, they seem to be stocking major long-term supplies - such as seeds, dried food, clean water etc.

Name one such project with a "completion timetable … before 2012." I doubt you can come up with one.

There was a project recently announced in Moscow to build more public shelters, because they only have enough in the metro for about half of the city's residents. Plans for this undertaking were hoped to be place by 2012. They by no means expect to have the shelters constructed by then, or to have even begun construction. If nothing else, consider the practical implications of building thousands of massive underground shelters, in a city of roughly 11 million people, over a period of less than two years.

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Tomy2011 24 Jan 2011 14:34

Are you sure you are right?

Nobody can predict the future, and the mayans didn't predict 2012. Furthermore, the claims has no science or logic. So, yes, we are right.

There seems to be major projects underway by various governments around the world to quickly create massive underground shelters…

Where are these shelters? Can you prove that the government is building shelters?

obaeyens 24 Jan 2011 18:14

However, does this enormous undertaking by various global governments not sound just a little concerning, particularly the time frame in which they are to be built?

I have no knowledge of my government building such things.

Are You Sure You're Right

Alene Y 25 Jan 2011 00:50

Hi Aki,
Yes, we are very sure we are right. There isn't a scrap of evidence to suggest that 2012 will be anything other than an ordinary year. We have shown why all the doomsday claims are either:
1) Lies
2) Vastly exxagerated
3) Scientifically impossible
4) Happen routinely
5) Have no effect on us
6) Highly unlikely to occur in 2012 as opposed to any year from 2011 to 1 thousand, 1 million, or 2 billion years in the future.

So the chance of a world-ending (or all life) event in 2012 isn't 0.000000000000%, nothing is, but it's about 1 in 2,000,000,000. That is using the approximate time when the Sun, expanding and brightening on its way to becoming a red giant will make the Earth too hot to support life. For the Earth itself to end, that won't happen for a few billion more years when the Sun actually enters its first red giant stage.

Alene Y 25 Jan 2011 00:59

Aki,
Another point I forgot to mention. We haven't found a scrap of evidence that any governments are building under ground shelters. Did this come from YouTube videos or crackpot doomsday sites? Not all sources are equal. Just because some wacko says something is happening or makes a video of something perfectly ordinary and calls it government bunkers doesn't make it true.
You mentioned storing seeds. There is the Svaalbard seed vault, which has nothing to do with any doomsday. It is to preserve the current strains of plant life in case some of them become extinct in the future.

Ian08 22 Aug 2011 12:09

What are wiki leaks

DreamTraveller1 (guest) 22 Aug 2011 12:41

Wow, you had to dig up a thread abandoned for seven months to showcase your ignorance?

Can someone close this, please?

TheGreatJuju 22 Aug 2011 13:49

To be fair, the necromancy was actually performed by a guest poster farther up the page.

But yeah, there's no reason to start kicking this around again.

Ian, WikiLeaks is the website of a guy who posted leaked classified information for public consumption, for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with anything unless you care about politics, so I'll recommend (probably in vain) that you not worry about it.

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Tomy2011 22 Aug 2011 17:36

I think there is no reason to explain you what's WikiLeaks when we have a good article on Wikipedia explaining it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

orblor 22 Aug 2011 17:50

Google is your friend.

Astrogeek 22 Aug 2011 17:54

Yes, it is. I agree, orblor.

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Ian08 22 Aug 2011 18:12

So if it is about politics what does it have to do with 2012

3WMElliott 22 Aug 2011 18:16

A fat lot of nothing, like every other claim under the Sun.

Tomy2011 22 Aug 2011 18:16

So if it is about politics what does it have to do with 2012

Nothing at all.

obaeyens 22 Aug 2011 18:17

Ian08, I am wondering. You seem to behave like someone that has autism. Am I wrong?

Ian08 (guest) 22 Aug 2011 20:52

but it is a .org site so it must be a reputable source of information at least that is what I was told in english class.

TheGreatJuju 22 Aug 2011 21:09

but it is a .org site so it must be a reputable source of information at least that is what I was told in english class.

You must be either joking or trolling.

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