F.E.M.A Camps I CANT DEBUNK THIS PLEASE HELP!!!!!

Summary:

The Idea that the United States government can be "over ridden". By a "F.E.M.A" emergency response in a time or Crisis or in a time when the government becomes threatened. This however is a widely believed yet debatable fact around where i live about 2012. Basically the idea is that in order to control population an Rebels these camps would be used to kill united states citizens in camps an buried in mass graves an in cheaply made plastic tubs. As crazy as it may sound this is actually possibly true. As i will explain now.. F.E.M.A can override the U.s. Constitution an suspend it. United states Members Of the Homeland security an Senate have been restricted from all information. Bush himself stated as well as Clinton that this in fact existed but later denied such claims creating a Conspiracy theory out of lose facts. And the idea that the government is Creating camps to kill citizens in population control an martial law. For an idea called the new world order. I cant debunk this!!

F.E.M.A Camps I CANT DEBUNK THIS PLEASE HELP!!!!!

Rocksio 09 Dec 2010 03:52

Facts behind this idea which i cannot debunk.. or prove
1. F.E.M.A Can Suspend the constitution of the united states, Pass laws an orders that go past the senate without debate, An declare a state of martial law an re-locate whole communities of people without question. That is actually from what i can tell the truth.
2. Members of the senate as well as members of homeland security have been denied accesses to anything involving these plans, as well as the Bush-Administration saying they had a plan in place but wouldn't tell us what it was. If the country was to be declared under a state of martial law or emergency which i can provide small credence on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5uBh8HYb8
3.F.E.M.A Camps themselves.. This is the area of most debate an honestly even tho i look to disprove this kind of stuff i am seeing the normal "crap not-true evidence" along with the "Plausible evidence" when it comes to these Structures. Several sources telling me that these structures do in fact exist an were purchased or surrendered military bases to F.E.M.A under the laws protecting F.E.M.A under the "Rex 84 pass" created an forced united states military bases to be shut down an turned into prisons that are now sitting empty. As well as F.E.M.A camps in Arizona, Texas, Colorado, And southern an "Mojave" California. Being used to hold illegal immigrants to be shipped back to Mexico an other nations. Sense when Does Emergency response handle Immigration??!! Although there is Valid Evidence supporting these camps. As well as many of the supportive camps in the story being things you can simply just drive up an see appear to be prisons or modified Rail yards.. all tho a lot of "conspiracy lies" come in with these videos, Most appear to be true. An are real buildings or Bizarre mass grave excavation sites. I am not sure if i believe this an i cant debunk it. so i am simply making observations in these notes. As well as a huge field in Madison Georgia Filled with huge black tubs with an estimation of 125,000 stacked plastic disposable coffins looking like they can fit 3 maybe 4 people each.
The Video ill put on this shows them but the person who is recording the video is a bit strange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zSDdm-SHI
If someone could please tell me what these tubs could be for besides this be my gust… an please give a logical answer i mean really… they look like coffins.
4. To summarize my evidence
The NATO treaty an this speech an question by some nice worried old lady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ27Ejr7tNs
Clinton Basically admits it to a degree.. note i said to a Degree.
NATO -North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
5.United Nations troops Practicing drills on us soil an over riding united states laws of "invasion of Privacy" on there Raids of American homes in Arkansas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTMq0C0OKNg&feature=related

I guess to Summarize what i am saying is.. i believe its a possibility we have a very serious issue on our hands Please please listen to me .. we either need to debunk this now .. or prove it fact so that people that know about this can prepare… please if anyone has any information from a Credible stand alone source on weather this is true or not please respond

Re: F.E.M.A Camps I CANT DEBUNK THIS PLEASE HELP!!!!!

TheGreatJuju 09 Dec 2010 11:39

Rocksio, I'll respond briefly to these items, but none of this has much to do with 2012, as far as I know.

1. F.E.M.A Can Suspend the constitution of the united states, Pass laws an orders that go past the senate without debate, An declare a state of martial law an re-locate whole communities of people without question. That is actually from what i can tell the truth.

FEMA can't suspend the Constitution. The president can declare martial law, and FEMA is one of several agencies supposedly authorized to act under certain "emergency" conditions. FEMA = Federal Emergency Management Agency. Yes, the government grants itself all kinds of draconian powers under these circumstances (such as disarming New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina), and I personally disagree with most of them.

I don't really understand people who gasp in horror about FEMA, when the U.S. Constitution has been violated constantly from Washington onward. United States history is a steady inflation of government power, and a steady eroding of personal liberty. Hysterical woo artists and doomsayers have been with us throughout. They're almost never right, and they never offer a coherent solution.

2. Members of the senate as well as members of homeland security have been denied accesses to anything involving these plans…

Yes, because the plans pertained to domestic military activity and were classified as top secret. I suppose this, in spirit, goes back to George W. Bush's cheerleading of the posse comitatus demolition in 2006 (the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits use of the military for police action), though I believe it was reinstated a couple of years ago. You should understand, however, that martial law is a completely different state of affairs than that actually covered by posse comitatus provisions, as far as my understanding goes. This has always been the case.

Again, it goes without saying that George Bush and the government at large did some desperate, tyrannical things in the wake of 9/11/01, for whatever reasons, and I disagree with most of them. Many of those things remain in effect, despite our current president's "time for change" mantra of nonsense. This, however, is just what governments do. The only thing that surprises me is that people are still surprised.

For what it's worth, any president who declares martial law will be committing political suicide. In order for that to happen, there would have to be something afoot that threatened the government's power as a whole, and I don't think Americans have the wherewithal to start something of that enormity. Gay parades and tea parties seem like the extent of this generation's rebellious tendencies.

3. F.E.M.A Camps themselves..

Please consider your sources.

These "camps" have been shown to be anything from Amtrak repair facilities to prison compounds … in North Korea. They have nothing to do with FEMA, martial law, the U.S. Government or what have you.

The "huge black tubs" are grave liners that most locales require to be placed around caskets before burial. The photos of these things come from the storage facility of a company called Vantage Products, which takes orders from individuals who want to make burial arrangements for themselves. Liners shown in the photo(s) number about 50,000, not the inflated figures like 125,000 that are often cited. Again, these have nothing to do with FEMA, martial law, the U.S. Government or what have you.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

4. To summarize my evidence
The NATO treaty an this speech an question by some nice worried old lady.

Again, please consider your source. For starters, it looks like the clip was cut. I'd wager that isn't even what Bill Clinton said in response to that question, or at least not his whole response. Secondly, that was more than a decade ago. Have you seen any evidence that NATO or the UN are taking over Kentucky? How exactly would that work, hmm?

Clinton Basically admits it to a degree.. note i said to a Degree.

No, he doesn't.

5.United Nations troops Practicing drills on us soil an over riding united states laws of "invasion of Privacy" on there Raids of American homes in Arkansas!

This is just silly. Not only are you getting hysterical over completely unreliable information, you aren't even quoting the woo-woo source correctly. What the video claims is that UN troops were training for urban warfare in Arkansas and several other states, not that they actually raided American homes. Good grief.

I happen to live in Arkansas, and we do have a few military installations, including one of the country's largest C-130 airfields at Little Rock Air Force Base, as well as Fort Chaffee and Camp Robinson. Whether the claim about international alliance troops training here is true, I don't know. So what? Nothing is that video serves as evidence that the claims are accurate. They just make claims and show clips without context, hoping the viewer will buy into it without further questioning.

I guess to Summarize what i am saying is.. i believe its a possibility we have a very serious issue on our hands

Yes, we do. This nonsense and hysteria being spread across the Internet has become a colossal nuisance.

Please please listen to me .. we either need to debunk this now

Already done. A bit of effort would have directed you to that Popular Mechanics article.

or prove it fact so that people that know about this can prepare…

If any of that craziness was even remotely true (which it isn't), what exactly do you think you'd do about it?

please if anyone has any information from a Credible stand alone source on weather this is true or not please respond

If you're concerned about credible sources, why did you buy into this garbage in the first place? Because not one link you've provide above takes me to anything I'd call a "credible source."

Whatever the case, there's my response. I repeat that none of this has anything to do with 2012, so let's not clutter the board with yet another long exchange over something like this. If you have further questions, you can send me a private message.

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Aaron (guest) 09 Dec 2010 21:27

Thanks i really was not trying to promote it my friend was telling me about it constantly an i just basically snapped i am sorry if i irritated you with this i was just simply concerned with the possibility. Thank you.

Aaron (guest) 09 Dec 2010 22:12

Ill be honest tho i have been stressed out of my mind constantly about this stuff trying to debunk every thing i hear.. i wasn't sure that i could trust the popular mechanics article.. because i have never herd of them reporting conspiracy theories before and i had never herd about the north Korea Wyoming camp, or on any site besides the debunk sites could i find any info about them or them ever stated. My friend Zack killed himself about a month ago over this after reviewing his notes i found his journal was filled with "Nibru Bullshit" as well as "F.E.M.A-Death-camps" in big red sharpie print. I did a bit of work on his notes me an his brother found. Honestly all the theories i did work on .. basically i worked on all of them an i am stressed out of my ing mind! Because the "government-Cover-Up" shit is so hard to disprove.. i also had another friend Damion saying his family had saved supplies an a cabin for when this happened. With my best friends family also trying to show me i was wrong an this was real an Zack's notes made me basically "freak out" on this one because i couldn't debunk it hell i had planned on leaving the country. This is a really big deal where i live here in Florida literally everyone at my school is talking about this! Its even on the walls in the bathroom in big letters stating " F.E.M.A or THE NEW WORLD ORDER" Everyone in classes talks about this in free time literally i am not kidding!!! Really i know this is the last thing you wanna do we even discussed the popular mechanics page in science class an it didn't help at all! Even watched some news guy on it! teachers name i will not state because i don't want him to loose his job. Is why i didn't say what state or school. Please tho getting back to my point…*sighs* can i get some more valid evidence i can show my friends that will literally prove them wrong so i don't have anymore losses over this like my friend Zack!

I know what i posted is Irritating an i know it must be annoying to haft to sift an disprove all this stuff .. but please if you wouldn't mind just please help me with this an i promise ill never bring up another theory again, an i can show everyone they need to relax!

TheGreatJuju 10 Dec 2010 03:02

I know what i posted is Irritating an i know it must be annoying to haft to sift an disprove all this stuff .. but please if you wouldn't mind just please help me with this an i promise ill never bring up another theory again, an i can show everyone they need to relax!

I have no idea what you want. I'm sorry about your friend, and I'm sorry this is causing you such a hard time, but you don't seem very willing to consider your sources and the evidence. At the same time, you're extremely willing to accept whatever you read on conspiracy websites. You don't trust James Meigs or Popular Mechanics, but you'll swallow whatever b.s. some doom-saying idiot on YouTube feeds you. That's a level of cognitive dissonance that I can't penetrate. I can't do much else but deal with your concerns point by point, like I did in my last message. If that isn't good enough, I don't think anything will be.

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"They tell you, but do you believe it? If so, why?"

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Rocksio 10 Dec 2010 21:02

Right i understand sorry i was just curious if there's other "debunking Sources besides popular mechanics"

TheGreatJuju 11 Dec 2010 13:22

Right i understand sorry i was just curious if there's other "debunking Sources besides popular mechanics"

Have you looked? James Meigs got the information from somewhere, after all….

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"They tell you, but do you believe it? If so, why?"

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obaeyens 11 Dec 2010 01:37

First of all I am sorry about losing a friend because he believed this hoax. Anyone promoting this hoax is directly responsible for your friends death in my opinion, even though they thought it was funny to play along.

First I have to advice you is that you cannot fight against this hoax unless you have basic physic knowledge.
So I propose that you start to learn about physics, and we will happily guide you through if you have questions.
if you have basic physics knowledge you immediately see that the hoax is complete fraud.

The second problem is that you cannot single-handed fight against a complete group of people that already believe it to be real. The 2012 and any conspiracy works like a poison. It poisons a complete group and you are really powerless against it. There is nothing that you can do to change it. But what you can do is help people to find this link, because here there are people that can do something about it. You might not be able to fight against the 2012, but you light be able to guide people to find this place.

One thing I can tell you, there are people out there that are beyond any help. These people have some hard-wiring in their brains to believe any conspiracy or hoax they come across. These people are beyond help, don't waste your time on them.

Re: F.E.M.A Camps I CANT DEBUNK THIS PLEASE HELP!!!!!

obaeyens 09 Dec 2010 18:09

Rocksio, the problem wit conspiracies theories is that you get addicted to them. It is like drugs, slowly you lose all sense of reality and cannot separate reality from fiction any more.

So to get your reality check back, watch the videos with no sound turned on and see how they use music as method to scare you.
Write down every claim they say and fact check every single claim. If they show a video clip, get the complete video and watch it from start to end to understand the context these words are used. Make a list of alternative answers that also explains that claim.
Also think about it how you would create a fake conspiracy video intended for YouTube. How would you design such a video?

Alphonze (guest) 22 Apr 2011 21:33

I would be happy to help you.
The coffins are actually burial liners used in every funeral in USA to prevent the soil from sinking. USA uses 900.000 of these every year. The biggest manufactor is Vantage Products Cororation. Here you can Choose whitch one you would like for your beloved. http://www.vantageproducts.com/ Or this: http://www.ateammasters.com/liners.html.
The "FEMA" camps you can see in a very few videos are all debunked. The dramatic video with Jesse Ventura (who make conspiration theories for living) is actually T. Don Hutto residetial centre for illegal female immigrants and their childs. A prison yes, but no FEMA camp. It's pretty small (512) inmates, and very easy to spot on Google Earth. Even they have a home site: http://www.cca.com/facility/t-don-hutto-residential-center/
Got more if you like.
Best, Al.

Alex (guest) 09 Dec 2010 10:22

To be honest lets just say there are coffins. Then lets say we've just had a natural disaster that killed many people. What do they do with the bodies. There is no room for them in graveyards everywhere and places that the would want to bury them. So they have these coffins. Just because there are coffins there dosent mean there all bad. FEMA name says it all Federal Emergency Mangemnt agency. They deal with natural disasters and they help people. They cant declare Marshall law. REad the name and tell us if you think its bad. :)

I have no idea why people fear FEMA

snorks 09 Dec 2010 21:00

I think for all my years in the U.S. Federal Gov't. I have never understood why people are afraid of FEMA. There are a lot more powerful agencies than they. But for some reason, folks focus on them and a couple of others. What people do not realise is how powerful U.S. Congress can be and is. They can cut off funding. They can take down powerful agencies - Office of Thrift Supervision was once the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, once as powerful as the Fed. Now it is gone. Gone….. gone.

Sigh, I guess anything is scary if you don't know anything about it. Seriously, not even 2012 is scary once you cozy up to it. Just remember not to listen all those people out there trying to scare you.

Rocksio 09 Dec 2010 23:04

right thanks good point this one just really scared me bad