UFOs set for collision mid December 2012.
Rayni (guest) 13 Dec 2010 00:22
http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth
Just seen, is worrying, opinion?
UFOs set for collision mid December 2012.
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http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth
Is worrying me, opinion?
Rayni (guest) 13 Dec 2010 00:22
This article is complete nonsense. Its just another example of artefacts on old (10 to 60 years) photographic plates which someone claims are 'flying saucers heading towards Earth' without the slightest evidence to back up their claim.
There's already been a discussion in the 2012hoax forum here and there's also a debunking video here.
There is no SETI Astrophysicist named Craig Kasnov. The story is a fake.
Update: There was a Craig Kasnov who was apparently somewhat involved with the setting-up of the SETI@Home project, but he wasn't the one running the project, there's no indication he is an astrophysicist, and he's not involved with SETI,
The images in question are taken from archived photographic plates. Each frame was imaged with colored filters, and a flaw or scratch on one plate (for example, the blue plate in this case) would show up as a vivid colored artifact. The plates are also old, most of them from sky surveys that were conducted in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Within New Age circles, there is a thread of the mothership from Acturus or Surius(sp) will come and take the survivours after 2012 happens. So this may have come from that thinking.
Perhaps… it would not be the first time that a 2012er has been caught red-handed performing a classic "enumeration of favorable circumstances" fallacy.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
So what makes you think that it is coming towards Earth?
Second what makes you think it will arrive at that time?
I am not interested in fuzzy claim just facts.
How did they measure the speed, distance and direction it is travelling?
The amount of stupidity in this article gave me a migraine. That's terrible..
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Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer, has a thorough post on this matter:
Giant spaceships to attack December 2012?
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/27/giant-spaceships-to-attack-december-2012/
Quote:
There are some teeny, tiny, problems with this story, though. Like, the "spaceships" are actually image defects and aren’t real, there’s no way to figure out how big they from the picture, and the "astrophysicist" quoted in the article doesn’t even exist.
Another quote:
So let’s see, where does this leave us?
* If the spaceships are real and huge they’re closer than the Moon, but moving slower than I can walk when I’m hungover.
* The original survey images clearly show these "spaceships" to be defects in the scanning process, and not real anyway.
* Craig Kasnov is apparently no more substantial than the spaceships themselves.And what the heck:
* The Mayan calendar doesn’t end in 2012, there is no astronomical event related to the vaunted December 2012 date, and anyone who claims otherwise is trying to sell you something.
So there you go…
One's convictions should be proportional to one's evidence. - Sam Harris
I don't know why some people usually think that aliens will come to kill us and extract water for their planet. I don't believe that little humanoids from space will come here and make a V-style invasion. Why nobody believe that they can be nice with us? They're very advanced if exists.
Why nobody believe that they can be nice with us?
Ask Hawking, he seems to have a quite plausible reason as to why they wouldn't be nice=)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
He said:
We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.
Yes, it's a plausible reason. But I don't think that would be easy for him, enter in a planet with different atmosphere conditions, weather and all. They should use giant spaceships and weapons, like in "War of the Worlds", with Tom Cruise.
Well, if they look for planets for colonize, it would be bad. But when this happen, if this happen, maybe we already researched stronger weapons for expel them from our planet.
Hawking's statement is nothing a B-grade sci-fi film director couldn't come up with, and it's obscenely anthropomorphic, in my opinion. It takes very little creativity or thought to say, "Space aliens might attack us because _," based entirely on observations of strictly human behavior.
On the other hand, it's probably impossible to avoid anthropomorphizing, which makes such statements all the more irresponsible and useless.
We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.
Hawking really hasn't thought this through. Why would they have to colonize any kind of planet whatsoever? If aliens could travel between the stars, then they can also pretty much build any kind of space habitat as they wish. Why search for random planets, when it's much easier to just build a place to live, optimized for your species?
I think it's safe to assume that intelligent hi-tech alien species (including us humans) are relatively rare and very, very far from each other. Say, a thousand light-years between them. I think it will take at least several hundreds, if not thousands of years until we make first contact. Most likely, we will never meet any aliens. Maybe there is just one intelligent species per galaxy - and we are it in our own Milky Way?
The massive distances make any kind of warfare between different intelligent lifeforms pointless.
One's convictions should be proportional to one's evidence. - Sam Harris
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