Here is one of the sites regarding the Moscow bunkers.
That article has nothing to do with the actual shelter construction being talked about in the news video. Carefully watch the embedded video, then read the article again and notice how it has been completely fictionalized. They flat out lie, in fact, about Moscow rushing to build the shelters. That isn't what the report says. What is says is the plans for the shelters will be developed over the "next couple of years." The shelters themselves are not scheduled to be built during this time.
I am hoping Morrison is telling the truth. My worry is that we may be lied to about a looming disaster to avoid the population going into mass panic.
But why? How would anyone or any government be able to hide something of that magnitude?
I don't know that I believe we would be told the truth
The truth about what? What scenario, short of something like secret war plans, could possibly hinge on people in government telling you about it? What about all the scientists and science hobbyists who don't have anything to do with any government? Why would they hide something if it was that important? And why would all the governments in the world (some of whom hate each other) collaborate to hide something like that? There's no plausible reason to think that even could happen, let alone would.
I am pretty sure our governments will all be in bunkers on that date whether they believe anything would happen or not just as a 'precausion'.
Why do you think that?
I guess what bothers me is that I have five kids with four of them under six and one newborn. I feel terribly guilty that I may have brought them into this world just to be taken out by something like this…
But you haven't even told me what you think "this" is. What exactly are you afraid of?
…and I don't want to see them suffer. My two year old has two heart conditions. We would need to know in advance to have her prepared.
The only things you need to worry about are keeping you kids healthy, happy and safe, and getting them educated.
Also, I don't know if I can stand the stress of waiting to find out in two years whether my family and I will perish or not. It consumes my day, all day, every day and I can't stand it.
You don't have to wait two years. Any 2012 doomsday scenario you can think of is probably demolished somewhere on this site. If it's not, please let us know.
I guess I figure a coverup could be done just to calm the public so we don't all panic and in that case we wouldn't really be told what they know.
I realize that, but that doesn't explain how "they" could possibly keep anything of those proportions a secret, and that's even assuming they would want to. The government is just a group of people. They have families. As much as I despise governments and much of what they do, even I'm willing to acknowledge that they aren't all malicious tyrants. You have to make some very broad assumptions about a lot of people to think as you do, on top of the sheer impossibility of that many people keeping a secret.
As for the solar flares, if the sun is being unpredictable…
The sun isn't being unpredictable, at least not in any way that's unusual. It's just doing what it does. This year, solar activity ramped up just as it was expected to, it was just a bit later than anticipated.
…how do we actually know it won't be really bad that year and make up for the past years of weak solar flares.
Here you're just ascribing intent to the Sun. It isn't a conscious entity, and it doesn't decide to "make up" for weaker years. In fact, it follows some pretty regular trends. That's how we're able to identify solar maxima and minima in the first place. Here is the current graph showing the previous cycle, and extending sunspot projections out to 2020.
There may not be anything to say this but we also thought the solar minimums would be stronger also.
Who thought this? The down-time was longer than anticipated, but nobody expects much solar activity during a minimum. That's what it is, by definition — a 12-month average of minimal sunspot activity.
So many websites say so many things that it is hard to know what is the truth and who the people posting actually are and if they are legit.
I understand. That's why you should get your information from scientific sources that build on real data from real scientists, not hysteria websites like shtfplan.com that can't even bother to tell you the truth.
Sites like this make me feel better unfortunately, for each one like this, there are also tons in favour of a worst case senerio.
Well, I hope you can rest assured that the people who actually make a living in science, such as solar physicists, don't support anything being spread by the conspiracy and doomsday websites you see all over the Web. Consider taking a listen to the Astronomy.FM podcast this site's founder did, wherein he interviews physicist Ian O'Neill about the Sun.
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