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These stories kinda have me freaked out and worrying all over again!!!!
And, there's been 2 earthquakes of 7.0+ in the last 2 days…..
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/02/celebrity-apocalypse-stars-who-fear-the-end-of-the-world/
Why do you care what celebrities think about anything? They're generally no more qualified to speak on things than the woo artists who make up crap in the first place. Seriously, I don't think Ashton Kutcher, Lil Wayne and Mel Gibson are people you need to pay attention to when it comes to science or history.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/02/more-than-1-000-dead-birds-fall-from-sky-in-arkansas/
"…the flock could have been hit by lightning or high-altitude hail."
Unfortunate, but I don't see what there is to be freaked out about.
And, there's been 2 earthquakes of 7.0+ in the last 2 days…..
Why is that significant?
Now fish have dropped dead in the same place….
Only one species of fish are found dead in an event that is not uncommon each year. What more can be said, other than follow the advice of the article and wait for testing to be done before determining the cause?
Hi Lexie,
These events of animals (usually fish, frogs, or birds) falling from the sky aren't new. It has happened a number of times in the past. I had read about these occurrences years ago, so I just did a search. Wikipedia has a good writeup on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals
It has been speculated that waterspouts and tornadoes might be the cause. There were tornadoes in Arkansas over the New Year's weekend, which might possibly account for the birds. Since the dead fish were in a river, they aren't likely to be ones that fell from the sky. As some of the others have said, we'll just have to wait for the test results on the fish.
Anyway, animals falling from the sky aren't new. If it didn't signify the end of the world in 1876 or 1894, I see no reason why it would now.
I guess the earthquakes freaked me out because they project around 15 a year…and there's already been 2 on the first 2 days of 2011. I tried to look up the earthquake chart, but 2011 hasn't been added yet. I am absolutely terrified of the 2012 Doomsday. The celebrities talking about it worries me because they are influential people, in that, they have a way of getting people to believe them. I don't think they have any knowledge that NASA doesn't. I'm just a kid…I'm scared that my life is going to end next year by something we don't know about. Patrick Geryl seems like a loon, but didn't he accurately predict a flare in October?? I mean, there is eventually going to be a civilization that is going to see the end…unless by then there's some type of space colonies. I apologize for rambling on about this, but I really am frightened by this stuff. Why can't NASA do a TV show on why it is a bunch of crap if History Channel and NatGeo can run one's on why it is true???
I guess the earthquakes freaked me out because they project around 15 a year…and there's already been 2 on the first 2 days of 2011.
I have been thinking: why the doomsayers like the earthquakes? Well, I found an answer: earthquakes happens every year. The big ones too. But some people still believe that those earthquakes are really significant. About having two earthquakes on the first 2 days of 2011, I have to answers for you:
1 - Coincidence
2 - This isn't very significant
The celebrities talking about it worries me because they are influential people, in that, they have a way of getting people to believe them.
An influential person isn't necessarily a scientist or an intelligent person. If Aston Kutcher says that tomorrow a comet will hit the Earth and other scientist deny this, who is more trustable?
I don't think they have any knowledge that NASA doesn't.
You're right! They don't.
Patrick Geryl seems like a loon, but didn't he accurately predict a flare in October?
Me, you, Patrick Geryl, everyone with high research and time can predict it. For example, researching I discovered that Solar Flares and CMEs are produced by sunspots (i'm not a genious, still). Well, knowing where are those sunspots, anyone can say when the next Solar Flare or CME will happen, and where it will be. So, Geryl has time and patience for research. And, yes, he predicted a flare in October, but he also missed other many solar flares predictions.
Why can't NASA do a TV show on why it is a bunch of crap if History Channel and NatGeo can run one's on why it is true?
I don't know. It's a very good idea, but they already have David Morrison for this job.
I apologize for rambling on about this, but I really am frightened by this stuff.
No problems. With any doubt, use the forums.
I guess the earthquakes freaked me out because they project around 15 a year…and there's already been 2 on the first 2 days of 2011.
Projections, estimates, averages, expectations, they're all funny words to describe such things. There isn't some committee who gather around a table every year and write up a bunch of numbers for expected Earthquakes. There are however, scientists the world over, studying different areas of geology and recording different pieces of data that, when looked at globally and over lengthy time scales can give you a ballpark figure for what an 'average year on Earth' is. An average year on a geologically active contains an awful lot of Earthquakes, the vast majority of which you're never even aware of, but it's all part of the game of living on this planet.
The celebrities talking about it worries me because they are influential people, in that, they have a way of getting people to believe them.
Of course they do, but to listen to them because of who they are is to be biased towards a certain view, not what the evidence says. And it happens exactly the same with science by the way - if Einstein's theories were to be proved wrong tomorrow, Einstein will become that scientist with the funny hair who did a few damn cool things before we found out something cooler. We wouldn't stick with Einstein just because he's Einstein, we don't stick with Darwin just because he's Darwin, and so on. We stick with the evidence, wherever that testable evidence leads, not the voice whose talking about it.
I'm scared that my life is going to end next year by something we don't know about.
Would you know about the bus that hit you if you weren't paying attention to the traffic when crossing the street? Granted, the fact that 2012 is portrayed as bigger than a bus stretches this analogy a bit, but where do you draw the line? At what point is one unknown not worth worrying about, but another unknown is? We don't know how or if the Universe will end, is that something to be scared of?
Patrick Geryl seems like a loon, but didn't he accurately predict a flare in October??
To accurately predict a flare in October requires you to pick one of 31 numbers. Seeing as flares take a few days to leave the Sun and reach the orbit of Earth, you could argue he's got an good few days of error margin too, so even if he didn't get that 1 in 31 date correct, his odds of predicting the correct three day window would be 1 in 10, the correct week merely 1 in 4. That's not really a strong prediction, more like playing the odds.
In science, a prediction is a hypothesis that gets laid out, detailed, and tested by multiple people in multiple tests until there is a clear conclusion, and even then it isn't declared correct until more people do more tests to check or expand on that initial prediction, and so on and so on… all Geryl did was get a date right or near right.
Why can't NASA do a TV show on why it is a bunch of crap if History Channel and NatGeo can run one's on why it is true???
Because they spend what little money they have doing far, far better public service elsewhere, and when they do speak about it, 2012ers don't listen and use it as fuel to fire their cover up conspiracy theories - just look for some of the reaction David Morrison's 5 minute video got. I've seen it reuploaded to YouTube with titles regarding him being a reptilian disinformation agent, hardly how he wants to be portrayed if he wants to help people.
Of course that doesn't stop anyone else from doing documentaries, I'm sure there are quite a few out there, certainly plenty of blogs and websites, radio shows combating the nonsense, it's not like it's not being looked into skeptically and critically - after all, that's what this site is for.
I guess the earthquakes freaked me out because they project around 15 a year…and there's already been 2 on the first 2 days of 2011
No, they don't "project around 15 a year." What we see is an average of fifteen per year. If I recall, I explained in your other thread that an average, by definition, will have roughly half of the values above it and half of the values below it. Two in two days isn't altogether surprising.
The celebrities talking about it worries me because they are influential people, in that, they have a way of getting people to believe them.
Sadly, that's probably true, which is all the more reason to understand that they're not qualified to say what they're saying. Even the article you linked to mentions that Lil Wayne completely misunderstands the Mayan calendar.
I'm just a kid…I'm scared that my life is going to end next year by something we don't know about.
Your life might end at any time, but chances are far better that it will be a result of a traffic accident or illness, as opposed to some undefined, mysterious threat from the unknown. The most likely scenario, if I were to hazard a guess, is that, in several decades, you will die of old age like most people. ;)
Patrick Geryl seems like a loon, but didn't he accurately predict a flare in October??
No, he missed it by a day, and he never wants to talk about all the predictions he's missed utterly and all the flares that have occurred without him predicting anything. He's a complete fraud, and probably a moron also. And a loon, as you said yourself.
We're moving toward this solar cycle's maximum. You can look forward to any day within a given month or week, "predict" a solar flare, and have a pretty decent chance of one occurring around that date.
I mean, there is eventually going to be a civilization that is going to see the end…
All civilizations end eventually. Most of them just give way to new ones, and it seldom happens overnight, but rather over successive generations in gradual decline.
…unless by then there's some type of space colonies.
Even civilizations in space will have a beginning and an end.
I apologize for rambling on about this, but I really am frightened by this stuff.
I don't think anyone here is bothered. Helping folks like you is why Astrogeek and crew started this site.
Why can't NASA do a TV show on why it is a bunch of crap if History Channel and NatGeo can run one's on why it is true???
David Morrison has become NASA's mouthpiece for 2012, and he has done all he can to dispel these nasty rumors and hoaxes. Unfortunately, it's a sort of no-win situation. If NASA doesn't say anything about a particular 2012 claim, then doomsayers accuse them of being silent to cover up the "truth." If NASA does choose to address a 2012 claim, doomsayers accuse them of lying to cover up the "truth." No matter what NASA says or does, some wacko somewhere is going to say "Never A Straight Answer" and accuse them of furthering some evil government plot.
When certain people get their minds latched onto a certain idea (like a 2012 doomsday), sometimes they reach a point where they cannot under any circumstances be bothered to change their minds through science or reason. They will continually lie, distort scientific findings, evade counter-arguments, and misinterpret or outright ignore facts. There's nothing that NASA, David Morrison, 2012Hoax, Phil Plait or anyone can do about this. What you can do for yourself is understand what is happening and resolve to move on with your life, armed with the knowledge that nothing these doomsayers have to offer you is grounded in reality.
And another thing…….I've seen a bunch of crap about 11:11 and the solstice….how can everything just start happening at 11:11 when it's never the same time all over the world? It's already tomorrow somewhere. I'm just trying to understand all of this….
how can everything just start happening at 11:11 when it's never the same time all over the world?
You've answered yourself there, it can't.
You could even go as far as to say "how can everything just start happening at 11:11 when the very concept of numbers is an entirely human creation, with '11' being one of a seemingly infinite amount of abstract objects with no basis in reality, and is merely useful to us as a descriptive term in the same way as 'dog' is useful for describing 'that short hairy thing that wags its tail when chasing sticks'"…
But seeing as you already hit the nail on the head, there isn't much need to go there. It's just a number.
Elliot, are you in a science field? I know Astro is an Astronomer and Alene is a chemist(?)….I just don't know a lot about the other top answerers…
Nope, just endlessly fascinated by what science has to offer.
If it helps though I see myself as more of a researcher, and there isn't too much research that needs to be done to show many of these claims to be silly.
Hi Lexie,
Yes, I am a chemist. I'm also a Certified Quality Engineer, which required lots of complicated statistics, so I'm not just talking through my hat when I tell you that that an average number of earthquakes per year doesn't mean that's how many we should expect in any given year. An average is calculated by adding up the numbers for each year and dividing that sum by the number of years. Most of the numbers will not fall right at the average. As Juju or Elliott said, about half the numbers will be above the average and half below it. Having two 7+ quakes in 2 days isn't all that unusual. Earth is geologically active and has been throughout its history. This is nothing new.
You are far more likely to die from heart disease, cancer, or an accident in your home than an earthquake or a bogus end of the world. You're allowing people who have absolutely no scientific education scare you with impossible or wildly improbable scenarios. Celebrities aren't endowed with any special knowledge just by being famous. They don't know anything more about science than you do. They are famous because they can act or sing. Is that any reason to believe in the same things they do? If you were going to have brain surgery, wouldn't you go to a brain surgeon rather than Mel Gibson? When you want to know about science, you should probably ask a scientist, not Ashton Kutcher.
Sorry, I don't mean to lecture you, just to put some things into perspective. And you aren't bothering us. That's why we're here, to help people who are frightened and confused about the 2012 nonsense.
If you want to know more about us, you can go to About on the top menu, then click on About us. Several of us have put more information about ourselves there. We have astronomers, physicists, chemists, and a professor of Astronomy and Physics.
11:11 was originally calculated as the time of the solstice on 21st December 2012 in terms of Universal (Greenwich) Time. The time has recently been amended to 11:12 because the nearer the date, the more accurately the time can be predicted. Of course, the numerologists and woo-woos who like the look of the number 11:11 tend to leave updated information off their websites in case it spoils the effect, just as they do for solar flares and claims about Planet X.
In 2010, the solstice was on 21st December at 23:38 UT. If they had predicted the end of the world for 2010, I wonder if the woo-woos would have made as much fuss about 23:38? Probably not.
Rest assured that it's a combination of pseudoscience, numerology and lies. You will notice nothing in particular happening at 11:11 on 21st December 2012. Nor at 11:12 either.
Now, fish have dropped dead in the same place as the birds. Stuff like this scares me because I feel like it's just the beginning of the end.
Oh, in the report about that 7.1 quake in Chile…there was a scientist who said it was an aftershock of the one from February. That was interesting that they can come after so long. Looks like it would've been considered it's on quake.
Ok, ok… I replied the same question in this same forum:
"I don't think that's a coincidence. However, what is causing this is probably some pollutant. It's not any doomsday sign…"
Oh, in the report about that 7.1 quake in Chile…there was a scientist who said it was an aftershock of the one from February. That was interesting that they can come after so long.
Foreshocks are small earthquakes that happen before the main earthquake (in the case, the 7.1 earthquake in Chile). They can happen days or hours before the earthquake.
I don't think your reply is correct at all. If you read the article she posted, scientists say if it were a pollutant than all kinds of species would be dead…not just drum fish. The article also says that the two are not related. Nothing to worry about, and I am sure the lab results will reassure you that there is nothing to worry about. Although, I doubt the news will cover the lab results…because it won't be very interesting.
I don't know much about earthquakes, but I have never heard of an aftershock occuring BEFORE a main earthquake event…hence the name "after"shock. If an aftershock is larger than the previous, then it will be designated as the main shock and the previous would be renamed a "foreshock".
But to answer your question, yes…aftershocks can occur years after a large earthquake.
but I have never heard of an aftershock occuring BEFORE a main earthquake event…hence the name "after"shock.
Oh, thank you for correcting me… I wanted to say "foreshock". Sorry. Another thing: foreshocks occur not many years before, but days or hours before. Aftershocks can happen years after the main shock.
PS. I edited my previous reply to Lexie.
"The world is about to end in 2012 … 'cause the Mayans made calendars, and they stop at 2012. I got encyclopedias on the bus. The world is about to end as we know it. You can see it already. A planet doesn't exist — there's no more Pluto. Planes are flying into buildings — and not just the Twin Towers. Mosquitoes bite you and you die. And a black man and a woman are running for president."
That one actually made me giggle, sounds like a man that knows what he is talking about. As for other celebs promoting a doomsday in 2012, why wouldn't they? They can be misguided and disinformed just as easilly as you and I, of course some of them are going to fall for this crap. I can assure you that there were plenty of celebs promoting a doomsday to occur between 99-00, but last time I checked that didn't happen.
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
The world is about to end as we know it. You can see it already. A planet doesn't exist — there's no more Pluto. Planes are flying into buildings
Too poetic for me.
And a black man and a woman are running for president.
It could be, respectively, Obama, president of USA, and Dilma Rousseff, new president of Brazil. It's my best guess.
He is probably referring to Obama and Sarah Palin for the 2012 election. Although this isn't confirmed yet.
What does Pluto have to do with anything? Or planes flying into buildings for that matter? Mosquitoes have been a problem for centuries…not sure how he could link a doomsday to that. The fact that he says Mayan calendars stop at 2012 is enough to discredit him. The calendar round will be 57% through its cycle during 2012.
I don't think any of their calendars sync up with the long count.
The story about the birds is alarming. 2012'ers are already looking at the zipcode, 72012… Coincidence or not, I wish things weren't framed in such a scary way right now. I hope they won't let it stay "inconclusive;" I would feel better if there was a more concrete explanation. I'm getting more and more frightened. I was fine a few days ago, but now I'm right back in it again :( Like an idiot, I listened to a psychic's predictions for 2011, and he said something about an unexplained natural phenomenon happening in Arkansas really soon, and my imagination is floating away!
Hi Al,
You probably didn't see my post above. There have been many incidents of animals, usually birds, frogs, or fish falling from the sky in past centuries, as well as in more modern times. Although it's never been proven, it has been theorized that they are picked up by waterspouts or tornadoes and then dropped. There were tornadoes in Arkansas on Friday and it was Friday evening that the falling birds started being reported.
OMG. It has really gotten me freaked out by the zip code. That is VERY weird. I had actually gotten over it until I saw this post!! Y'all maybe something really is going to happen in 2 years. I'm about to have a panic attack. Lord, help me!!
David Icke too. Ya know, y'all had really started making me feel at ease. But, gosh, that zip code has really done it to me. It's really no mystery why people kill themselves over this…this is a horrible feeling. I just feel…………..
It has really gotten me freaked out by the zip code.
Numerology. Are you really going to use it for the real-life? Don't be scarred, there's nothing scarry in this stuff.
That is VERY weird.
I wouldn't call "lots of coincidences" of "weird". Coincidences happens all the time and some of those coincidences we don't even realize they heppen. So, they aren't weird at all.
Alene Y made a good post about it before.
AboveTopSecret.com is all over this!!!
I'm not surprised. Those conspirators are all over everything.
David Icke too. Ya know, y'all had really started making me feel at ease. But, gosh, that zip code has really done it to me. It's really no mystery why people kill themselves over this…this is a horrible feeling. I just feel…
Weak? About a Zip Code? The Zip code is a human invention. The birds didn't fell there because the zip code there that was 72012. The poor birds even know what is zip code!
Ya know, y'all had really started making me feel at ease.
Probably shouldn't have then gone in search for what ATS and David Icke have to say on the matter then…
I've only read two articles on the events, but was satisfied that what I read was no big deal. Those who knew about birds and the weather gave logical answers about how the birds could have found themselves bonked on the head by hail, for one example, and those in the know about fish and the river system knew that only one species of fish ended up with lots of casualties, with the likely cause simply being too many fish and not enough resources to keep them all alive - food, essentially.
Even though these are just the initial hypothesis of a handful of people, they are initial hypothesis from the type of people who have studied for years and will test until they can be sure of an answer, and you can bet their answer won't involve the end of the world.
OMG. It has really gotten me freaked out by the zip code. That is VERY weird.
Why?
Y'all maybe something really is going to happen in 2 years.
Why? What in the world do birds falling out of the sky in Beebe, Arkansas have to do with anything? Why would you link that to some mysterious "something" happening two years from now?
AboveTopSecret.com is all over this!!!
If you're getting your information from ATS, you will almost never get good information outside a handful of posters there. That website and forum are "all over" everything they can get their hands on, because they make money on ads (therefore they make money from having as many people as possible glued to their ridiculous nonsense).
David Icke too.
Are you really going to believe a guy who thinks the world is secretly controlled by a race of shape-shifting lizard people?
But, gosh, that zip code has really done it to me.
Why?
…and he said something about an unexplained natural phenomenon happening in Arkansas really soon, and my imagination is floating away!
Honestly, I don't believe you. Regardless, it may not have been "natural." Also, similar incidents have occurred before in Arkansas and other places. Sometimes it's hail or lightning, and for this incident some have speculated that fireworks might have disoriented or frightened the birds into erratic, deadly flight behavior.
It was Joseph Tittel, and he made his 2011 prediction on a live radio show this weekend. I used to listen for entertainment before I started to become afraid of all of this. Within the week he will put it in print on his blog and I would have the link then. I don't believe psychics are magic, I believe that they have good skills for reading people and reactions and staying up to date on statistics and world events in order to make predictions. It's just that when I'm feeling this way, reason goes out the window. Seems always seem to freak me out when it's time to sleep, then in the morning I am more level headed. I'm not trying to lie or scare someone else; I just selfishly want help too. I better stop posting so I don't "fuel the fire."
Is there a way to delete your own posts on here? I'm really upset that something I mentioned made someone else on here start to feel worse (Lexie- I'm so sorry, I'm just scared too and I don't want you to feel even more frightened when you said you were doing well). If possible, please delete my previous post about the zipcode. I don't want to be the reason someone loses it.
AL326,
I'm really upset that something I mentioned made someone else on here start to feel worse …
This site exists to deal with 2012 claims, and especially to help people who are feeling freaked-out, as you were when you made your post. So, you didn't do anything wrong. Don't hold back from getting the help you need for fear that someone else here might freak out over your own concerns.
For future reference, though, please realize that scientists can't wave a magic wand and know, instantly, what caused an event like this. They need time to (in this case) get their hands on some of the dead birds and do autopsies etc. You could do all of us a big favor by reminding yourself and others of this the next time something odd happens that the woo-woo's want to attribute to 2012.
"I was glad to be able to answer him promptly and with confidence. Without hesitation, I told him I didn't know." Mark Twain
It was Joseph Tittel, and he made his 2011 prediction on a live radio show this weekend.
Well, by this weekend, it had already happened. The birds died on the night of Friday, December 31.
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