Doing a Bit Better

Doing a Bit Better

DieselHorseLAW 17 Jan 2011 17:43

Well I got my anxiety/depression meds fixed and I am feeling a bit better, have been eating more regularly and getting out of the house a bit more. Of course I still have a nagging worry in the back of my mind. Still worry about Geryls stuff a bit, and for some reason I still can't stop being worried about that psychic thing I read a while back only because it said something about us having a particularly harsh winter and well, it has been pretty cold some places, but it is back up to the 40's even got up to the 50's yesterday here. I have also seen psychics say they don't see anything bad in 2012…. so yea. Anyways, hope ya'll are doing ok.

---

“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde

Re: Doing a Bit Better

Astrogeek 17 Jan 2011 18:57

Welcome back! Glad to hear that you are improving.

The thing I don't get about Geryl is why so many people find him convincing. To me his claims scream "Fake! Fraud! Nonsense!". I'm not sure what the key to seeing him in that light is, other than dissecting his claims and showing how they are completely impossible.

---

"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind

Re: Doing a Bit Better

JamesJJlm 17 Jan 2011 21:24

Yeah, its probably just his assurance. I can't think of anything else specifically about Geryl's stuff that is intimidating. I don't think it is him thats convincing, just his story. It was funny watching him fumble over words on Penn & Teller, I wonder sometimes if he is just as bad in his native language when he speaks. I would love to find out for sure whether he is mentally unstable.

(By the way I was very careful not to act like I was promoting anything here)

Re: Doing a Bit Better

Astrogeek 18 Jan 2011 07:08

Interesting…

It is Geryl's insistence that he cannot possibly be wrong that triggers some of the warning bells in my head. The other thing is of course his utter lack of anything resembling evidence for his claims.

When I go to a public lecture (and I try to attend one from time to time) the scientist is more than happy to show you exactly what he bases his theory on. I've spoken with Dr. Peter Jenneskins as he set up his all-sky cameras at Fremont Peak, I've listened to Mike Brown talk about how and why he "killed" Pluto, and I've listened to marine mammal experts discuss the various stresses on California Sea Otter populations (including kitty litter, believe it or not).

In each case, the scientist showed the audience their evidence, and then described how they reached their conclusions based on the evidence.

Geryl's evidence is missing in action.

---

"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind

Re: Doing a Bit Better

JamesJJlm 18 Jan 2011 13:44

I guess from what I understand from those who have attended Geryl's public lectures, (usually alternative theory conferences) is that he presents his evidence, but doesn't present evidence for his evidence. Or his evidence is a bit far-fetched. I've always been curious as to what his intial evidence is, and if it stands up to well-known scientific data. I sometimes have trouble letting go of Geryl's claims because I don't know what evidence he is presenting, if he is at all.

But like I said, his story is also a cause. Maybe not HIS story, but for how long his theory's foundation has been down. Pole shift 11,500 years ago, the Maya recorded it, Atlantis sinking 11,500 years ago. I think everyone is right saying that a CME or solar flare isn't a mechanism, and that Geryl is probably just an unstable and hysterical person. The things that have been repeated by several authors are what keeps me awake at night sometimes. I am slowly getting out of it though, I only found that book I mentioned last night from the Barbara Hand Clow page, lol.

Re: Doing a Bit Better

obaeyens 18 Jan 2011 18:32

I wonder sometimes if he is just as bad in his native language when he speaks.

Even in his normal language, he does not sound convincing. People laugh at him when he was interviewed in the studio. But they did not do this openly because you don't laugh with mentally challenged people.

I would love to find out for sure whether he is mentally unstable.

His is clearly not intelligent, at first I thought he is intelligent enough to act like some businessman. Get the money and then move to another country when nothing happens.

Re: Doing a Bit Better

obaeyens 18 Jan 2011 18:35

(By the way I was very careful not to act like I was promoting anything here)

You are actually doing a great job now.

Re: Doing a Bit Better

obaeyens 17 Jan 2011 19:01

Anxxious, if you could teach people new to this forum how not to get worried.
How would you teach those people to let down their worries, step over it and leave all these worries far behind only looking forward for the wonderful life you have?
How would you teach such a person?

I am really glad that you are much better, I hope all others too. :-)

Re: Doing a Bit Better

Tomy2011 17 Jan 2011 19:12

Anxxious,

I hope you learned many things here about physics, chemical, astronomy etc. When you have this knowledge, you can debunk every claim you see. At the same time, with common sense this become needless to you. I mean, you don't need to be an expert to criticize every claim you see about 2012 and soon the help of this forum will be not necessary.
However, we will be pleased to help you, if you need, at any time, and help other worried people.

Glad you are better.

Peace!

Re: Doing a Bit Better

DieselHorseLAW 17 Jan 2011 19:44

I think what bothers me as well as others about Geryl is the whole certainty thing. I mean it wouldn't be as bad if he was like, "I don't know anything for sure".. but yea. As far as telling people how not to worry, this website has been instrumental in my fight against my anxiety/depression. I mean I see that Geryls ideas are physically impossible by looking at the science of it, so really the only reason it still bothers me is what I mentioned before. Then of course like I said the whole "psychic" stuff. I think some people like myself probably already have an underlying anxiety/depression/OCD condition even if they don't know it and should get it checked on, cause meds can greatly help it.

---

“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde

Re: Doing a Bit Better

obaeyens 17 Jan 2011 20:22

Anxxious, you already know that his physics part is wrong.
Maybe you should now try to discover how he does it. How he scares people.
Like what makes a sentence scary? Or how does he manage to get a grip onto your fear?
Once you understand it, it is very obvious how he does it.

Maybe we could take some sample that sounds convincing to you we dissect it how the fragment manages to introduce doubt in you?

Last edited on 17 Jan 2011 20:23 by obaeyens Show more

Re: Doing a Bit Better

DieselHorseLAW 17 Jan 2011 20:43

There is not really any one thing in particular. Like I said, it is just how he acts like he has to be right. Just the certainty.

---

“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde

Last edited on 17 Jan 2011 20:44 by DieselHorseLAW Show more

Re: Doing a Bit Better

obaeyens 17 Jan 2011 20:59

it is just how he acts like he has to be right.

Sometimes it is amazing how people can convince themselves to be right.
But he has to be right, because he cannot afford to be wrong. Can you imagine when all people want the refund that donated for this bunker?