Uh, the fact it's happening all over the world is a good thing, not a bad thing. If it was a localized event, that would be a bit more suspicious. Seeing as it's a global event, it's happening /as it's happened for years now/.
Stop worrying about this. It's been happening for a long time. You only care about it now because the news actually bothered with it for once.
Where was this information last year when it happened? and the year before that? And that? And that?
Exactly.
"Eventually the investigation uncovered the facts:
It was someone shooting off professional grade fireworks in a residential district, scaring the night-blind birds out of their roost into a 25-mph flight that ran them into houses, signs and even the ground, says Karen Rowe, Arkansas Game and Fish Commission ornithologist."
mmkay then…but what about the fish??? they got scared of the fireworks too, yes??
Any reputable news outlet that has bothered to comment on an event like this has likely answered your questions in the articles they've written, even if it's phrased with an attention grabbing headline that spells disaster. They key is to read those articles carefully.
You really believe that fireworks story? HAHA! You are dumb. Yes birds die all year, but how many die in massive groups like this? You are making claims, where is your evidence to show this? I clicked on the USGS link you provide and selected a random quarter. The largest number of deaths was 2000 pigeons, but the period was over 1 whole month. Not in one night from a bunch of fireworks. IVANA is right. Those fireworks must have been REALLY REALLY scary in order to create the massive fish kill as well. I have a bridge for sale, wanna buy it?
You really believe that fireworks story?
Yeah!
HAHA! You are dumb.
If you think so…
Yes birds die all year, but how many die in massive groups like this?
Bigger! That one was even small. But don't ask me this now, because I don't remember very well.
You are making claims, where is your evidence to show this?
Are you serious? What claim? When we didn't provide evidence?
I clicked on the USGS link you provide and selected a random quarter. The largest number of deaths was 2000 pigeons, but the period was over 1 whole month. Not in one night from a bunch of fireworks.
Ok, 2000 pigeons died. So, that's your evidence? Sorry, but you need a better one.
Those fireworks must have been REALLY REALLY scary in order to create the massive fish kill as well.
Birds and fish are not humans. For you, fireworks are beatiful, but are dangerous for some animals.
Do some research on this subject, okay?
You really believe that fireworks story? HAHA! You are dumb.
Put a few thousands of birds in a few trees nearby. Wait until it is night so they are asleep. Now fire off fireworks near that tree. Thousands of birds get scared, fly off, with bad night eyesight and still sleep drunk. Collisions will happen.
Really? You obviously aren't looking very hard. The largest I found was over 40,000 and that was in the process of only HALF a day.
P@wnage,
No one ever said the fireworks killed the birds. There were many thousands of blackbirds nesting in the trees near where the fireworks were set off. It scared the birds out of the trees. Not having good night vision, they flew around wildly and ran into things.
No one ever said that the fish kill was associated with the fireworks. It was 100 miles away.
You didn't read the quarterly reports very carefully. The largest kill I saw was over 1 million.
Considering your blind acceptance of the claims that these perfectly ordinary events somehow mean something connected with the 2012 hoax, I would expect you to be the one buying a bridge.
I thought we were pretty much over that stuff, news lost interest in it a while back.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
why did everyone get mad when 400 ducks died in alberta tailings pond if millions of birds die every year?
I've been a lake lots with everyone around the lake firing off fireworks, i don't see birds crashing into things.
Fireworks happen all the time. why did birds die this time? and at the same time as fish? or is this coincidence.
Just asking thanks
Hi Canada;
Alene has given you a very complete response. I'm going to add the story from cbc.ca on the ducks to the page above.
The mass animal die-offs are very common, as is shown here. They just usually don't make news.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I hadn't heard about the ducks, so I had to do a bit of searching. These oil tailings ponds are toxic to waterfowl. The oil companies responsible for them are supposed to use deterrents to keep the ducks from landing in the ponds. The oil company said they were using deterrents but that the ducks seemed to be fatigued from flying in freezing rain and landed in the toxic ponds in spite of noise deterrents.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/10/26/edmonton-more-ducks-tailings-pond.html
I would suppose that the people were more upset about the ducks (at least in Canada) because they aren't considered pests and they died from landing in toxic ponds created by oil companies. As I said, I hadn't even heard about them until now.
People were going wild on the internet about the blackbirds and the drum fish, probably because of the large numbers, the sensationalistic media reporting, the supposed mystery of it, and the fact that they happened on successive days about 125 miles apart.
"•The National Wildlife Heath Center worked with the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission in the investigation of the death of approximately 4,500 red-winged blackbirds and some other species. National Wildlife Heath Center wildlife pathologists examined birds from the Arkansas event on January 4 and samples were submitted to our laboratories for further testing. Necropsy (autopsy) findings are consistent with “impact trauma”. This is compatible with the report issued by the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission.
•The Center's final report stated that the cause of death in the submitted birds and the probable cause of the mortality event at this site is attributed to blunt (impact) trauma. Field observations provided by the submitter suggested that these birds were roosting for the night, were startled from their perches by loud noises in the area, and because of their very poor night-vision, the birds may have flown into stationary objects such as powerlines, telephone poles, houses, mailboxes, tree branches, etc. "
http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/mortality_events/high_profile_events/black_bird_dieoff.jsp
Here is an excerpt from the article on test result
s for the fish kills. I gave the link in case you want to read the whole article.
Gas Bubble Trauma likely cause of fish kills
Date 03/17/2011
"According to the report, “The results of our test give us a high level of confidence regarding the cause of death as related to the Dec. 29 and Jan. 28 fish kills observed below the Ozark Dam on the Arkansas River. It is our opinion that these kills were the result of increased atmospheric oxygen and nitrogen gases being added to the water following the opening of the spillway gates of Ozark Dam.”
The AGFC Fisheries Division decided to conduct the tests because Winningham and Goodwin believed Gas Bubble Trauma may have caused the Jan. 28 kill. The fish had full air bladders, which made it impossible for them to dive and orient their bodies.
“Freshwater drum are highly susceptible to gas supersaturation and gas bubble trauma,” states the report. “In addition, a very deep hole (48 feet deep) exists below gate 5 (Ozark Dam) and may act to congregate freshwater drum during the winter months. These facts may help explain why freshwater drum were the most affected species during the kill events.”
http://www.agfc.com/Pages/newsDetails.aspx?show=197
As shown in the excerpt about the birds, they had settled for the night in their roosting places in trees where someone set off professional grade fireworks (presumably at midnight, since it was New Year's Eve). They were startled out of their trees, flying blindly, and crashing into things. The thing that made it notable was that many thousands of these red winged blackbirds roost in those trees, so the number killed was around 4500. We owe most of the hysteria to the media's sensationalized reporting of it, and to the fact that most people didn't know about the 160+ mass wildlife death incidents reported to the USGS every year.
First I just want to say I am very glad that 2012Hoax is making sure to document all 2012 'theories' no matter how big or small. They are very good at what they do! I also want to say that even though I have made some goofy comments poking fun at 2012, I don't mean at all to take away from the seriousness and credibility of this very respectable and informative website.
I know the first bird-die off and fish-die off that happened were around the Arkansas/Louisiana area. I know this may sound a little tin-foil-hatty (which I apologize for in advance) but I know that Arkansas is having a lot of Hydraulic Fracturing (also called fracking) done right now. I have heard that this 'fracking' releases very harmful substances into the air and water… Could this have possibly had something to do with these die-offs? As for the dead fish, my mom grew up on one of the great lakes, and she said about every year millions of fish would wash up dead on the shore, but it was hardly newsworthy and pretty normal… Also I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about the fireworks thing… It was New Years Eve in the South after all, hehe.
Well tonight after my son went to sleep, I decided to research a little bit on pole reversals since I do not know a whole lot about them and wanted to learn more. I found many interesting articles and believe that I have learned many new and interesting facts. When I went back to the google search page, I clicked on another website by naturalnews(have never heard of them up until now and the site can be found here). Upon reading through this article, I believe that most of it is bunk myself. However, a few parts of the article made me feel a bit icky in the stomach.
Last week, a report from the Russia's Ministry for Extraordinary Situations (MCHS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minist…) warned that the weakening Earth magnetosphere was allowing "poisonous space clouds" to enter deep into Earth's atmosphere where it is coming into contact with birds.
I went to the website he provided, so I know Russia's MCHS is an actual organization. I also did a search "russia's MCHS animal die offs" and received back about 125 hits. I read through a few more, but they all list that they released a special report and I have not been able to find that anywhere(and I would assume even if I could it would be in Russian anyway). When I went to the Wikipedia page for the space clouds, it made me really confused about what is in them. I know they are composed of tiny crystals of water ice, but is it even remotely possible that something that is supposed to be over 50 miles in the air is dropping lower and killing off massive amounts of birds in relation to a pole reversal that could start happening within the next few years or we are already in the middle of? I know that mass animal die offs happen and that they have been happening forever, but am still scared on weather or not this is possible.
Now here's where this story gets really interesting: On New Year's Even when birds began falling out of the sky in Arkansas, the National Weather Service in North Little Rock documented an unusual phenomenon on their radar monitors. "There are some indications that we're picking up a non-precipitation target," said Science and Operations Officer Chris Buonanno at the NWS (http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local…). He went on to explain that the radar signature definitely was not indicative of a cloud or rainstorm. It was something altogether different. At or around the same time this radar image appeared, birds began falling out of the sky.
This is why I hate researching science on the internet. Most of the time I know the info I am looking at is bunk, but I am genuinely stumped on this and more than a little frightened. If this were true that would mean that people could also eventually become effected by this. Thank you in advance for any replies. My stomach is just churning from this and it would appear some of my anxiety is kicking back in. My nails are about gone at this point.
On a side note, I tried seeing if something like this was already posted in the forum, but could not find anything.
Natural News is useless.
Now that's just an opinion of mine, but it's stacked with bias most times I encounter it - if it's man-made and has the slightest chance of hurting a fly, it's not going to go down too well with Natural News.
I'll take the 'Physics facts' as the talking points.
Physics Fact #1: The Earth's magnetic poles are shifting. (And not just a little bit, but enough to affect airport runways on the scale of human observation.)
Not the best of starts. While true they are shifting as part of normal behaviour, it's not exactly true to say that the human scale is massive. When it comes to the Earth itself, the human scale is tiny, a change of a single degree could need addressing by airports. It's not the first time an airport has had to do such a thing, and it probably won't be the last.
Physics Fact #2: The Earth's magnetic field has flipped hundreds of times in the past.
True. Shame they then had to write that it happens every few thousands of years, rather than every few hundreds of thousands of years.
Physics fact #3: Noctilucent clouds have very high radar reflectivity.
If they couldn't quite read Wikipedia for their last fact, they can at least read it for this one. They do have high radar reflectivity, the cause for which is still up for debate.
What happens next is rather typical of proponents, putting two events together and coming up with whatever they want. The given altitude for the unexplained radar event is far, far, far short of what has been observed for Noctilucent clouds. So why are Natural News even mentioning them? Because something weird needs to poke a finger through the atmosphere and swat a flock of birds out of the sky, what better than something few people have ever heard of?
Unfortunately, they proceed to take this route even further and suggest the birds flew through hydrogen cyanide which had the effect of killing them outright. Their version of events must be that the birds were in flight, flew through poison, fell out of the sky. Which is if my memory serves in direct conflict with witnesses who say they weren't flying until fireworks spooked them into a frenzy.
Natural News need to hammer the point they've made home though, so have to link it to humans. It doesn't matter that there is no supporting evidence that a space cloud poked a hole through the atmosphere to poison a flock of birds in an instant, because by now they kinda hope you've skim read that bit and are startled by Hydrogen Cyanide, bringing us neatly to…
Physics fact #4: Hydrogen cyanide kills birds and humans very quickly.
As Wikipedia shows. It also shows the more concentrated it is, the quicker you find yourself at deaths door. What Natural News doesn't say of course is why we'd suddenly, inexplicably find deadly concentrations of hydrogen cyanide while we're walking down the street. They do at least start with it being "theoretically possible". It's theoretically possible for practically anything you can imagine happening to happen at some point in time - that's one of the points of theory, on paper it could work. Unfortunately Natural News already finds itself on shaky ground because it has no evidence it has worked, we're still running with just the tenuous linking of events and the hope that the cracks have been glossed over by the audience.
Although we have no direct evidence of this, it is conceivable that HAARP technology could be altering the magnetosphere in ways that are contributing to the invasion of our lower atmosphere with these Noctilucent clouds compose of Hydrogen cyanide. This is just a wild guess at this point, however. We don't have any evidence that this is really happening.
I wonder why Natural News would dedicate so much time to HAARP. I wonder why every time they use words to the effect of "this is just our speculation" they proceed to launch into another paragraph of attack.
HAARP has got to the point, for me, of making an argument null and void. If you use it, invariably you haven't got evidence in support on why you're using it, and you're pretty much using it because of it's mysterious nature (insofar as it's mysterious because so few people bother to learn about it). I'm willing to bet you'd get a response from someone at HAARP had you bothered to ask if there was a link between bird deaths and studying the ionosphere, but being doing too much research and actually asking someone who might now is often a step too far for proponents of nonsense.
Conventional doctors, of course, are the world's most experienced experts at missing the big picture, and they seem to haphazardly discount the most important fact about all this: Sure, birds and fish die every day. But not en masse.
And there we go, Natural News once again putting their foot in it and declaring mass bird deaths are new and different. I've got a paper that reports on hundreds of birds falling out of the sky sometime in the 1890s, and I found this paper in the days after the Arkansas event, from a blog that actually bothered to research it properly.
The article ends with the conclusion that "I don't know what's happening, but what happening isn't right." That's not a conclusion in a scientific sense, it's an opinion. It's pretty much all I've ever seen on Natural News, opinions that everything and everyone that doesn't agree with the site is bad.
I think Natural News has appeared here once or twice before, and it really, really, really has an aura of b.s. clinging to it.
"The working theory in all this, at least for the birds, is that deadly space clouds are reaching into the lower atmosphere and killing these birds in flight, after which the birds fall to the ground. The reports of the birds experiencing "blunt trauma" are likely from the birds hitting the ground."
They never say whose "theory" this is, probably because it belongs to the "Health Ranger" who wrote the article.
I don't think hydrogen cyanide can enter our planet's atmosphere from space. The guy's own link describes how HCN is annihilated in interstellar clouds, but he conveniently cuts his quote off before getting to that point. In fact, I can't even find a reference confirming that his statement about noctilucent clouds being "largely made" of HCN is accurate. Googling "poisonous space clouds" just leads to copies of that same article, with no indication that the Russian agency in question (actually the Ministry of Emergency Situations, like their version of FEMA) said anything even remotely like what has been attributed to them.
Interstellar "space clouds" do no come into contact with Earth. Mr. "Health Ranger" even bringing this up is just an example of somebody tossing some bit of information into an idea with no real understanding of what he's talking about. Even if such clouds did magically burrow through the solar wind, geomagnetic field and penetrate our atmosphere, they are extremely diffuse and would not contain any densities of hydrogen cyanide high enough to do much of anything to life on this planet. It is gleefully noted that, "A hydrogen cyanide concentration of 300 mg/m3 in air will kill a human within about 10 minutes," but no attempt is made to explore what the concentration in the atmosphere would be, even going on the assumption that anything else written in the article is true (which I seriously doubt).
As for the "non-precipitation target" on the weather radar, it was possibly the birds themselves, as the article linked to by these cranks actually states. Unsurprisingly, Mr. "Health Ranger" doesn't tell you this.
Airport markings are repainted as a matter of routine, because the magnetic poles of our planet move constantly. Always have. This doesn't mean we're undergoing a "pole shift," i.e. geomagnetic reversal. Even if we are, we likely won't know for decades or centuries more.
All else notwithstanding, I wonder why, if a cloud of hydrogen cyanide descended far enough to kill a flock of birds, what stopped it from coming on down? As usual, "Health Ranger" stops thinking before he can get this far.
Thank you both for the information. It has made me feel quite a bit better about these clouds. I have never even heard of them before and the Wikipedia site on them was confusing me. For some reason, when I clicked on the article for the weird specks on the radar last night, it brought me to the main page of the site. Today, I was actually able to click on it on my computer and it brought me to the page where he was saying that it was possibly the birds. It's good to know that this is one more thing on my list as proven to be impossible. Thanks guys!
I did not have time to read but "Interstellar "space clouds" reaching Earth?
Interstellar????
You mean clouds that are light-years away?
Is there any report of any cloud that is near Pluto's orbit?