This site seems more like a thinly veiled cover to attack Mr. Geryl. Your gaggle of "experts" have no more credentials than he does. At least he has been published. How many times have you? "Because we know what we're talking about" doesn't make you the experts, not to mention all your credentials are most unimpressive. Just answering in this way puts your little group in suspect. I would rather prepare for the worse and pray for the best rather than listen to a bunch of self admitted "amateurs" who think they are the only ones who know what's going to happen and attack all those who oppose them. That's called a socialized liberal mind set. You people are delusional. I'm wondering how many of your group is secretly preparing for the same thing you say won't happen? But your kind exist everywhere in every walk of life and field. You make some kind of outrageous claim or buck the system in hopes that someday you'll be right and can hold that moment up for all to see and say. "SEE! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!" If it doesn't turn our for you, you all slink away into obscurity and look for something else to "Know what you're talking about." It's plain and simple good planning to store goods for an emergency. What you're attempting to do here is talk people out of preparing for a possible emergency based on a bunch of "know-it-all" amateurs. Since you are obviously all young, prepare yourselves to live a long time with the thought of many people who died because they took your advice. I'm sure you've talked many family members into believing you who might die with your words of reassurance echoing through their head. This convergence of events has never presented itself in modern times and will soon pass, no matter what the consequences. You can always eat previously stored food. But this time things are different. Lives are on the line, not just a consensus or nations economy you can easily slink away from. This time, if YOU are wrong, YOU will die. If you were my next door neighbor I listened and did nothing to prepare, you would be in my cross hairs as I ransacked your house for food and supplies. Do you even realize you've have all bet your very lives on this one event? If things turn for the worse, you yourselves will not have to worry about earthly calamities because you won't survive the repercussions of your words.
That's interesting…
We seem to have a new flavor of visitor here recently… those who support one of the 2012 proponents, and are basically acting as apologists for their favorite author's ideas. Earlier it was someone going after us for Barbara Hand Clow, and now we appear to have one going after us on the behalf of Geryl.
So, Dave, would you care to pick up the challenge and defend Geryl's ideas?
Let's take the idea that a massive solar flare (or more precisely, a CME) will overturn the core of the earth? Care to defend that one?
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
It's plain and simple good planning to store goods for an emergency. What you're attempting to do here is talk people out of preparing for a possible emergency based on a bunch of "know-it-all" amateurs.
Misrepresentation of our opinion does not make a good argument.
Since you are obviously all young,
Obviously you know nothing about us.
… prepare yourselves to live a long time with the thought of many people who died because they took your advice.
How are you with knowing that people are dying right now because they listen to the 2012ers, and your buddy Geryl in particular?
Do you even realize you've have all bet your very lives on this one event? If things turn for the worse, you yourselves will not have to worry about earthly calamities because you won't survive the repercussions of your words.
As opposed to you, who is apparently happy with scaring other people to death.
Geryl is wrong. We demonstrate why he is wrong. So far you have said nothing that changes our opinion about Geryl's ideas.
Where is Geryl's evidence? It's certainly not in his book. Its not in his online spreadsheet. As far as I can tell, Geryl asserts that his ideas are true, simply because he says they are. Not one iota of evidence has been provided by Geryl to support his wild claims.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I have been noticing recently that these people that come here and rant, somehow think that even if a cosmic disaster happens, that everyone would survive and feel shameful for not believing. Or, they will survive somehow and get back on the internet and start laughing at us. It just doesn't make sense.
Geryl has scared me since the day I heard about him, thanks for being an a** and bringing him up.
EDIT: That last comment is to the OP
I can almost guarantee that he hasn't read Geryl's work James. He's following the typical game plan of an internet conspiracy theorist.
Don't you know that if you stock up on canned goods and ammo that you can survive Geryl's doomsday too?(note the sarcasm)
There's a certain mindset in these people. It's like they have a smug sense of superiority, because they know the truth, and we are dumb sheep not to believe their truth. Toss a little contrary evidence at them and they have a hissy-fit.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I have a feeling that he will not come back to this thread. He can't discuss with us without some study. Maybe he is back tomorrow, after reading some scientific books and some articles at this site.
"Because we know what we're talking about" doesn't make you the experts
You are right. This is why we prove anything we say.
I would rather prepare for the worse
I just think that our goal here is express our opinions and proofs of why 2012 is wrong, and help some people. The rest is up to you. :)
You people are delusional.
Why?
What you're attempting to do here is talk people out of preparing for a possible emergency based on a bunch of "know-it-all" amateurs.
You are so smart… and we are amateurs. We can prove you are wrong. This website is full with this kind of proof. Do you have a proof that 2012 is real at all?
This time, if YOU are wrong, YOU will die.
I will take this risk.
This site seems more like a thinly veiled cover to attack Mr. Geryl.
Do you think that? Oh, interesting… so, Geryl is a supersmart guy, scientist, took many years studying the sun's behavior and now is predicting a solar flare in 2012, something hard to predict and not powerful enough to shift the poles of the Earth. Weird… I thought he was just one more 2012er, woo writer, that hasn't any proof for his claim, and just want to sell his bogus books.
I will ask you something, dave:
Why you think we are not right and the 2012 proponents are right?
Peace and good luck with your answer… :D
I'm sure you've talked many family members into believing you who might die with your words of reassurance echoing through their head.
Oh, that's funny. I seem to recall people comitting suicide or contemplating it because they are more scared of it than preparing for it. That's the sort of ignorance I cannot stand is when people are too biased to see both sides of the story. There are kids that literally worry themselves sick all because of these lies. My eight year old cousin among them.
This time, if YOU are wrong, YOU will die.
Another bit of hollowed threats and unsupported claims.
you would be in my cross hairs as I ransacked your house for food and supplies.
Hm… I don't think my Great Dane would like that. Nor my other neighbors.
Honestly Astro, this one seems like someone who just gives unsupported claims and empty threats.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
Dave?
Was you bored when you wrote this? did you feel better after a nice little rant about us not helping people you seem to have a big thing with credentials that kinda sucks for you, so you think we are all wrong and we will in fact die next year it that what it boils down too? and for your information :) I am quite open minded :) but let me tell you this ok, coming here and attacking these guys is not the answer, oh and as a mater of fact I AM NOT A KNOW IT ALL ;) just chillout man ;) life it to short for all this :)
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.
Albert Einstein
Meh, I'm in the mood to write. A lot…
This site seems more like a thinly veiled cover to attack Mr. Geryl.
Only thinly veiled? Huh. No, course not, we'll attack his ideas until there is nothing left of them, as you should attack our ideas. The minute either sides arguments are aimed at the speaker not the claim, is the minute that side loses the argument. Let's see if you've got any claims or if you're just going to shout at us.
Your gaggle of "experts"
Oh, looks like you're going to shout then.
have no more credentials than he does.
And yet somehow you take his words above those of known science…
At least he has been published.
Yes. At a bookstore. Rather than through scientific peer-reviewed literature.
all your credentials are most unimpressive. Just answering in this way puts your little group in suspect.
I'm taking this off topic, but I'm getting the strange feeling of you as the almighty Galactic Empire and we as the Rebel scum. Bizarre. Anyway, back to the point.
I would rather prepare for the worse and pray for the best rather than listen to a bunch of self admitted "amateurs" who think they are the only ones who know what's going to happen and attack all those who oppose them.
Are you preparing for each and every proposed threat, or just the ones you like the sounds of? Preparing for an Earthquake when you live near a fault line is a darned good idea. Preparing for something which you cannot even scientifically find evidence for is pushing it, really. Why are you spending time preparing for something that has chances of happening that are equivalent to 0, rather than preparing for events with more favourable statistics. Like your car being broken into.
You people are delusional.
Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm. Prove it.
I'm wondering how many of your group is secretly preparing for the same thing you say won't happen?
I have a good feeling I'll completely forget the winter solstice is on the 21st Dec 2012, far too busy thinking about what's on TV over that week or something. I even forgot about it last year, when there was a darned lunar eclipse on the same day. How could I forget that? Because it just. Wasn't. Significant.
But your kind exist everywhere in every walk of life and field.
Geez, we're a kind now? Some type of horrid off-shoot from Humanity?
You make some kind of outrageous claim or buck the system in hopes that someday you'll be right and can hold that moment up for all to see and say. "SEE! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!" If it doesn't turn our for you, you all slink away into obscurity and look for something else to "Know what you're talking about."
Or in this case, be wiped from the face of the Earth from an unavoidable Mayan death prophecy oh no wait, that's the whole reason this site exists, yeah, that whole lack of proof for your beliefs slipped my mind there…
It's plain and simple good planning to store goods for an emergency. What you're attempting to do here is talk people out of preparing for a possible emergency based on a bunch of "know-it-all" amateurs.
As I said above, plan away, but it's like you're planning for the Earth to become a singularity, rather than preparing for a rainy day. Rain happens, buy an umbrella, you'll thank me. Planets don't collapse into singularities, no amount of prayer is even needed, you hate me for daring to suggest anything opposed to your view. Cool.
Since you are obviously all young,
Depends on how you look at life, really. I'm a quarter of the way through my life expectancy. Less than half, sure, but still. I think I'm digressing here.
prepare yourselves to live a long time with the thought of many people who died because they took your advice.
How many times have members of this forum given advice for people to seek medical help? And how many stories have returned from people who did seek that help and are better for it? You know, I forget how many times I've read that happening… Of course, we could take Geryl's advice instead… you know, to give him a ton of money to build a bunker that isn't needed.
I'm sure you've talked many family members into believing you who might die with your words of reassurance echoing through their head.
My family couldn't give a rodents rectum about 2012. In fact, they aren't even thinking of it in terms of doomsday, because like rational human beings, there simply isn't a need to think of it as a doomsday, but just as another year on this ball of rocks circling the Sun.
This convergence of events has never presented itself in modern times and will soon pass, no matter what the consequences. You can always eat previously stored food.
Unless it's passed it's expiration date.
But this time things are different.
How? Show us, where's your evidence?
Lives are on the line, not just a consensus or nations economy you can easily slink away from.
And what, lives aren't on the line in any other situation on this planet? Dude, you can't drive that bus, lives are on the line. Whoa, hey, no, don't smoke that, lives are on the line. You're letting your telomeres do what now? Alright, the last one's a stretch, but I fail to see exactly where you're coming from here. It seems to be "Play it safe", which in today's world might as well be "Hi, welcome to Life on planet Earth, good luck during your ever so brief spell here." Am I looking at this the wrong way here? I'm not going to let the ill-informed, scientifically illiterate idiots tell people there is no hope unless you give them tons of money.
This time, if YOU are wrong, YOU will die.
You mean ME? Trying to tell me I'M going to die? Death and taxes springs to mind here. What's the point here? If I die, I won't even know I'm dead. Damn weird thought, but until someone proves otherwise, that's where I stand. Of course, you think it will happen on a designated date according to the butchering of a dubious (read: practically nonexistent) ancient prophecy shoehorned into bad science in order to sell a few books, well, you're going to need to do an awful lot more than capitalize the word 'you' in order to get my attention.
If you were my next door neighbor I listened and did nothing to prepare, you would be in my cross hairs as I ransacked your house for food and supplies.
Land of the free, home of the brave… Thank the God(s) I don't believe in that we only share the same planet, as oppose to the same street name.
Do you even realize you've have all bet your very lives on this one event? If things turn for the worse, you yourselves will not have to worry about earthly calamities because you won't survive the repercussions of your words.
Whereas in 2013, you'll be awaiting the next grand failure, perhaps scheduled for a more distant date, the 2040s perhaps, just to justify your position. I'd love to pack all this in, I'd love to live in a world where idiots cannot influence the lives of the ill-informed, but we simply don't, and most likely never will, so while there are people abusing science, history, whatever for the sake of misery and money, I'm just going to be here calling them out on it. That currently happens to include a Mr. P. Geryl.
I'm wondering how many of your group is secretly preparing for the same thing you say won't happen?
Uh? prepare? Ah yes you mean the big party at 23 december 2012?
"Because we know what we're talking about" doesn't make you the experts
That is point, you don't have to be an expert. All you need is a bit of basic maths knowledge (multiply, divide, square root) a bit of physics and a calculator. It is so obvious when you put in some numbers that he is completely wrong. Ask a 15 year old kid that learned physics in school, he can teach you this!
Since you are obviously all young
Wrong
If you were my next door neighbor I listened and did nothing to prepare, you would be in my cross hairs as I ransacked your house for food and supplies.
Prepare for what? Do you have a ticket for Geryl his bunker? Because that is the only place you would be safe in. Do you want to move in his bunker for the rest of your life with 20 men and no woman? Ahhhhh you did not realize that you cannot survive outside Geryl his bunker!
It's plain and simple good planning to store goods for an emergency.
You cannot plan for an emergency what Geryl is claiming. You can only stay in a smelly bunker above 2 km of sea level to survive this according to Geryl. Where is your bunker?
I am just wondering, is Geryl still searching for a young woman to stay in the bunker to repopulate the world?
I don't think many young women volunteer for this plan.
And also remember, only older people have the money to pay for Geryl his bunker place!
If I were a young woman and Geryl asked me to go live in his bunker with him and help repopulate the world, I'd mace him and, while he was lying on the pavement furiously rubbing his eyes trying to make the pain go away, run over him with my car.
"The Universe is cool enough without making up crap about it". —Dr. Phil Plait
"If psychics are capable of seeing into the future—why the f**k can't they give us the score to next year's Super Bowl" —Denis Leary
Dave, the 2012 doomsday is NO DIFFERENT than any other previous doomsday that has come and gone with protagonists screaming things like you. Recent examples include 2000 and 2003. What might make a difference is EVIDENCE, which you fail to provide.
I could care less about Geryl as many of you obviously have a rather large axe to grind with him. Perhaps someone here can explain away these facts for me:
1. NASA has warned people to prepare for a solar super storm in March 2006 and reiterated in June 2010, to occur around late 2012 during the solar maxim. The storm coincides with the alignment of Earth with the galactic plane of our Milky Way.
2. THEMIS probes exploring the space around Earth have discovered a hole in our magnetosphere, 4 times the size of the earth. Our magnetosphere is the only thing that keeps us safe from the suns CME's during a solar storm.
3. Our magnetic north pole is moving at an exponentially increasing rate of speed while our magnetosphere itself is decreasing in strength precipitously. These are hallmarks of pole shifting taking place. Two airports in Tampa, FL recently had to remark their runways because the magnetic north has moved so far out of position. Others will follow suit.
From 1900 to 2000, the north pole moved 13 degrees in longitude. Within the next year, the north pole will move 13 degrees in longitude, a 1,000% increase.
4. Space exploration vehicles Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have revealed that our sun, as well as our entire solar system is moving into an interstellar energy cloud and is amplifying the sun's solar activity. This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth. (so much for Al Gore)
The above events have been confirmed by NASA, The American Academy of Science and leading astrophysicists Michio Kaku and Alexei Dmitriev.
Seeing how humans make up <1% of life on earth yet consume 25% of the resources, and in light of current socio/economic conditions, the governments of the world probably wouldn't mind a culling of the herd about now. It would also explain their refusal to acknowledge the above events about to unfold, let alone prepare us for them.
1. NASA has warned people to prepare for a solar super storm in March 2006 and reiterated in June 2010, to occur around late 2012 during the solar maxim. The storm coincides with the alignment of Earth with the galactic plane of our Milky Way.
Not only have NASA not said that, as you'll find on the solar flare page, but there is also a bucket load of problems with any so called alignments, as you'll find on the Galactic Alignment page, and the solstice alignment page, as well as the equator vs plane page and finally the galactic plane page on this site alone.
2. THEMIS probes exploring the space around Earth have discovered a hole in our magnetosphere, 4 times the size of the earth. Our magnetosphere is the only thing that keeps us safe from the suns CME's during a solar storm.
It sure isn't four times the size of Earth, I think it's mentioned on the solar flare page briefly, probably elsewhere in the forums too, I'm sure someone will dig some links up for you, suffice it to say no we don't have a gaping big hole in the magnetosphere.
3. Our magnetic north pole is moving at an exponentially increasing rate of speed while our magnetosphere itself is decreasing in strength precipitously. These are hallmarks of pole shifting taking place. Two airports in Tampa, FL recently had to remark their runways because the magnetic north has moved so far out of position. Others will follow suit.
From 1900 to 2000, the north pole moved 13 degrees in longitude. Within the next year, the north pole will move 13 degrees in longitude, a 1,000% increase.
And we've known the poles move, have moved, will move for ages, but what you propose is not what the evidence supports - geomagnetic reversal takes thousands of years to complete and simulations show the magnetic fields would get a bit stronger and more complex during reversal, to the point where 'north poles' could conceivably pop up anywhere before settling down towards one of the poles.
Proponents will argue until they're blue in the face that major geomagnetic events will happen in the blink of eye or at least within their lifetimes, when it simply isn't the case. A bit of wander, that's about it, and that's all the faced various airports, their runways were no longer aligned into their original blocks of ten degrees, due to both a bit of polar wander and a bit of tectonic plate movements. There is a good post summing this up in the forums right about here.
4. Space exploration vehicles Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have revealed that our sun, as well as our entire solar system is moving into an interstellar energy cloud and is amplifying the sun's solar activity. This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth. (so much for Al Gore)
That's going to need some citation, because the last I read Voyager had merely passed further out than the solar winds travel, and into the realms of interstellar space, a simple boundary of sorts, certainly one that doesn't have any of the impacts that you suggest unless of course you can link me to a paper or two detailing your claims.
The above events have been confirmed by NASA, The American Academy of Science and leading astrophysicists Michio Kaku and Alexei Dmitriev.
It's one thing to say that's the case, but we're going to need more than name drops here, we're going to need articles, peer-reviewed papers, cold hard data. Research sucks, but hey, gotta be done.
Seeing how humans make up <1% of life on earth yet consume 25% of the resources, and in light of current socio/economic conditions, the governments of the world probably wouldn't mind a culling of the herd about now. It would also explain their refusal to acknowledge the above events about to unfold, let alone prepare us for them.
Wouldn't be trying to impose your views onto the governments of the world there would you?
As for having a grudge against geryl, you bet your life iv got a grudge against a man who puts fear into children. I'll let someone else point out why your wrong about other things, but as far as I know NASA are predicting solar max in mid 2013 and they're predicting it to be a lot lower than usual. You don't have a book out by any chance do you?
Why don't you read through this site before trotting out such nonsense? It would save everyone some time.
NASA has warned people to prepare for a solar super storm in March 2006 and reiterated in June 2010, to occur around late 2012 during the solar maxim.
It's the old doomsayers trick of using exaggeration and out-of-date-information. Try looking at what NASA actually say here "If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78"
The storm coincides with the alignment of Earth with the galactic plane of our Milky Way.
No it doesn't. There will be no such alignment. Do you know what it actually means anyway? Probably not. Find out here.
2. THEMIS probes exploring the space around Earth have discovered a hole in our magnetosphere, 4 times the size of the earth. Our magnetosphere is the only thing that keeps us safe from the suns CME's during a solar storm.
And the hole closed after about an hour, as you can read here.
Next groundless, scaremongering claim please.
3. Our magnetic north pole is moving at an exponentially increasing rate of speed while our magnetosphere itself is decreasing in strength precipitously.
Are you a mathematician? Look up the meaning of the term exponential growth. You'll find that the motion of the north magnetic pole is doing no such thing. Also, at the present rate of decrease, it would take many centuries before it fell to zero (and very likely won't). This is hardly 'precipitous'.
These are hallmarks of pole shifting taking place.
They are hallmarks of nothing except the magnetic poles moving and the magnetic field changing in strength - something they've always done.
Two airports in Tampa, FL recently had to remark their runways because the magnetic north has moved so far out of position. Others will follow suit.
This is perfectly routine in order to keep runway designations in line with compass bearings (which change). Looking at historical values of declination (the correction from magnetic north to true north) each airport would need to do this once every 70 years, on average. Multiply this by the number of airports in the world and you have this requirement cropping up several times per year. It's normal.
From 1900 to 2000, the north pole moved 13 degrees in longitude. Within the next year, the north pole will move 13 degrees in longitude, a 1,000% increase.
Have you ever looked at a map and seen how close together lines of longitude are at high latitudes?
4. Space exploration vehicles Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have revealed that our sun, as well as our entire solar system is moving into an interstellar energy cloud
Please supply some evidence for this which originates from someone other than a quack scientist like Dmitriev.
scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes
There are no more earthquakes than usual, accordong to the USGS.
the governments of the world probably wouldn't mind a culling of the herd about now. It would also explain their refusal to acknowledge the above events about to unfold, let alone prepare us for them.
We don't need to rely on governments to tell us whether or not these claims are false. We can see it for ourselves. All you have to do is read through this site and follow the references. You could have done this yourself. Instead, you decided to churn out this list of nonsense and, instead of detracting from what this site is doing, you've only made yourself look foolish.
I'm gonna skip to the end, 3WME and biken discussed the individual issues sufficiently in my mind.
Seeing how humans make up <1% of life on earth yet consume 25% of the resources, and in light of current socio/economic conditions, the governments of the world probably wouldn't mind a culling of the herd about now. It would also explain their refusal to acknowledge the above events about to unfold, let alone prepare us for them.
Or, there is a much simpler explanation. The governments do not acknowledge your supposed 'facts' because you aren't right. Please note, your explanation would require massive amounts of EVIDENCE into the government's behaviors, you provide none outside a leap of logic from your flawed assertions.
Dave,
Please enlighten us on how to prepare for Geryl's doomsday. Or better yet how 2012hoax can save people from 1.2 mile high waves and 40 years of ash from every volcanoe erupting.
It's obvious you have not even read his work.
Dave, you are a moron. Geryl thinks that 99% of earths population will die. That only HE can predict the how, when and why. That only HE can tell us how to survive. Only HE can decode the Dresden codex and Mayan calendar. Delusions of granduer anyone? If u believe in him, go pay your thousands of dollars to huddle in his bunker for a few years instead of coming here with your senseless rants. Your type are actualy doing us a favour, your showing us exactly what you are. Nuts! Please feel free to show us some evidence, but I won't hold my breathe.
He's probably just angry because he just realized he was massively ripped off by buying the Solar Storm Survival Guide books!!! Damn, that sucks!!
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
"10 survival lessons in the case of a Solar Storm" by Patrick Geryl.
Book price:
2010 - US$ 20 dollars
2011 - US$ 50 dollars
2012 - Sale: Buy 5 books for your entire family. Just US$ 120 dollars
2013 - Sale: "free gift"
His books will become even more expensive as we approach to 2012.
Yep, there ya go!!!
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
I still can't get my head around why these people do this. If you believe in the end of the world, well ok, I disagree but it's up to you. Why not go and dig a hole for yourself and stop trying to scare people, if the worlds gonna end, I'd rather live the rest of my life not knowing or worrying about it. Even if they're right, what satisfaction will they get? They'll be dead. It's really stupid and a complete waste of time. I get most are doing it for money, but what is the deal with so called true believers? Does it make them feel less insane to have people agreeing with them? I just don't get it!
I don't get it either Gary, it's like they have some sort of twisted agenda for riling people up. I mean, to each his own, but there are tactful ways for getting your point across without belittling and poking fun at people…or trying to create an unnecessary and revolving door debate where absolutely nothing gets accomplished (other than ranting and raving like a child…or lunatic). If dave does or does not believe that the world is going to end, he still needs to take his kind words elsewhere. This website does help people and is commended for doing so and personally, those who have been helped, will simply ignore all his rants and will keep coming back here and won't let this affect them.
I think that arguing with him is exactly what he wants (and is what he's trying to do) and he should just be left alone!!
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
That door swings both ways Gary. Where's the evidence that nothing will happen? While I don't believe the extreme views of Geryl, I don't believe nothing will happen either. The difference between the two is this. If Geryl is wrong, people will maybe buy maybe a book or two, buy emergency supplies which can be consumed or resold later. No harm in any of that. If you and your friends here are wrong, and 1 person who listened to you dies as a result, their blood is on your hands. Warnings don't kill people, neglect and ignorance does. Geryl is warning people of an event that he believe will be all consuming. Here, it's denial central who's acts to readily dismiss anything will happen endangers people's lives. Geryl put's no one in danger. This site and it's inhabitants do.
So as 2012 nears, so does your bet that nothing will happen and that you won't be responsible for anyone's death. I don't have the stomach for those kinds of odds, I don't gamble. This whole site is a gamble, devoid of proof of what they say. This site, the logic driving it and reckless and baseless
assumption is irresponsible.
Why the belief in Geryl? Why not the belief in the others? They are predicting various dire stuff too - just different. What about the ones who think it will be 2011. How do you account for their ideas.
In short, why do you believe that Geryl is correct? And we are incorrect? Is because of fear and what it plays in people's lives?
I have saw geryl telling a twelve year old boy he is going to die in 2012. How the hell is he not putting that boys life at risk? Your logic is weird to me, if doomsayers are right, we are all dead, you can stack as many food supplies and dig as many bunkers as you want, if it happens your dead. I strongly believe in science, not guys who pretend to be scientists. If you were having surgery, you wouldn't trust a guy pretending to be a surgeon would you? I get that maybe your just preparing, as you say, but why must you spread that fear to people who are already worried. I'm sorry, but your wrong, your logic is wrong, your opinions are wrong and the way you try and scare people into believing you is wrong. No amount of screaming and hand waving is going to convince me otherwise. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to other people here.
Have you noticed that all of these recent 'advocates' all have similarities in the way they approach this website and the people who participate, including the content…has me wondering if this is just one or two individuals trying to stir up trouble, rather than a collection of different people simply trying to have a debate/discussion concerning the proponents..?
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
The way you doomsday believers contrive to turn arguments on their head never ceases to amaze me.
Where's the evidence that nothing will happen?
This is a logical fallacy. You need to provide evidence that something will happen. It's impossible to prove that something won't happen. The doom-mongers haven't provided a single thing. I say the Flying Spaghetti Monster will demolish your house tomorrow. Prove to me that it won't.
If Geryl is wrong
No harm in any of that
Warnings don't kill people
Geryl put's no one in danger
If one person commits suicide through the baseless claims of fruitcakes like Geryl, I would say that there's very great harm in it. Already, people are suffering anxiety and depression (just read through these forums) and their lives have already changed for the worse, possibly irreparably. This is happening now. Damage has already been done.
Here, it's denial central who's acts to readily dismiss anything will happen endangers people's lives.
Wrong. We'll dismiss anything which has no evidence. That means all doomsday claims made so far and I don't see any future claims changing this.
This site, the logic driving it and reckless and baseless assumption is irresponsible.
The logic driving this site has a very firm foundation. You are quite free to challenge anything specific. But of course, you won't.
You and people like you as well as Geryl and all the other doomsday claimants are the ones that are irresponsible. If one single suicide takes place, I should like to see Geryl and his cohorts pursued through the courts. It's a pity that a criminal charge would be unlikely, but I'd like to see him sued for every penny he's got. Would you like to stand up in his defence? No because you and all the other doom-mongering, low-life parasites you support will be keeping well out of the line of fire in 2013.
Dave, So this is what mindnumbing stupidity looks like… Good to know
I have to agree with Gary, why don't you (Dave) just go ahead and pay the fee to be part of Geryls bunker-tards?
Just answer me one question; Let's assume that Geryl is correct on this one, and we're all going to die in 2012, then in what way does his book help us? Will we survive kilometer high monster tides, earthquakes of mag 10 and upwards and all the other catastrophes that Geryl "predicts" if we read his books? And do you honestly think that a bunker of any kind will save us from quakes that supposedly rips whole continents apart? If Geryl is right, then we're all dead by the end of 2012. It doesn't matter if you have read a thousand books about 2012 from various authors, you'd be dead either way. Thankfully, there is no indication what so ever that something even remotelly close will happen in the near future.
NASA, NOAA and God knows what tells us that there is no life-threatening danger in the solar maximums, but you believe them to be wrong and Geryl to be right? Is Geryl a scientist? No, he's a nutjob. So how can you accuse anyone opposing 2012 of neglection, when there isn't a single credible scientist out there saying something will happen in 2012?
You say that you don't gamble, then in what way have you mitigated the oncomming disasters you seem to believe in? Tinfoil? Or, have you built a bunker?
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
To add to the other comments, there is some humour in the fact that if you assume the proponents are correct and run through the huge numbers involved, bunkers and the like are going to do diddly squat. In some scenarios presented, the Earth melts, bunkers and all. If Geryl and the like had bothered to approach things scientifically, they'd know how ridiculous their claims would be.
Of course knowing that doesn't sell too many books or attract too many followers, so it's best to completely ignore science and live inside a fairytale. Except that the fairytale requires you to part with your cash and fear for your life. Kind of a bum deal if you ask me.
That's what I think is the biggest example of why these guys are clearly in this for money. If I genuinely thought the world was going to end, I wouldn't care if people believed me, neither would I waste what little time I had writing books and appearing on documentaries. I'd be getting as drunk as I could and spending every moment doing stuff iv always wanted to do. These guys tell you the worlds screwed, but if you buy a sh*t load of baked beans and dig a deep enough bunker you'll be fine. That in itself is surely enough evidence to see how crazy, or evil they really are.
Where's the evidence that nothing will happen?
Where is the evidence that something apocalyptic will happen in 2012? Give me one. Just one. Give me a link to some page that can prove this, some scientist proving this hoax… anything. Can you find it?
While I don't believe the extreme views of Geryl, I don't believe nothing will happen either.
So, you believe something will happen but you don't know what will happen? Then you are right, because everyday something happens in the world. Your belief is as vague as Nostradamus predictions, Dave. Can you specify what kind of thing will happen in 2012?
Warnings don't kill people
I think you can't believe in what yourself just said.
Dave, one more thing:
Why do you think that, if Geryl's claims are right, his books would save us?
So as 2012 nears, so does your bet that nothing will happen and that you won't be responsible for anyone's death.
How would you feel when people killed themselves because they though 2012 was real and nothing happened? How will you feel that you promoted the 2012 and those people died because you were promoting the 2012 end of the world too?
It is already happening, read the forums here, people die caused by the 2012 scare! And you are now part of the cause of these deaths.
buy emergency supplies which can be consumed or resold later.
You did not tell us, did you buy a ticket for Geryl his bunker? I thought the price was 50.000/person.
Your emergency supply's are worthless when you listen to Gery.
Dave;
There's this thing called the 'Burden of Proof'.
The side of an argument which has the positive claim (i.e., "there will be an event") bears the burden of proof.
So, let's take one of Geryl's claims, for example. Geryl claims that he can predict solar flares years in advance because he decoded the Dresden Codex. He has yet to demonstrate that solar storms can be predicted in the Dresden Codex. He has yet to show that he has decoded the Dresden Codex. He has yet to show that he has any method of predicting solar flares. His predictions of solar flares so far have not been accurate.
So, until Geryl meets his burden of proof, there is absolutely no reason to believe his claims.
This holds true for every claim made by the 2012 doomsday brigade.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
One of the things this site hopes to head off most is the formation of 2012-related death cults. These cults, which are very dangerous to both themselves and others around them, often share a false view of some coming apocalypse. Here is some generalized information on death cults.
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=368
http://www.ehow.com/about_4570973_death-cults.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm
You can say that falsely preaching apocalypse is a trivial matter, but that you make you wrong.
This topic is interesting… I'm amazed on how far fanatics will go trying to look tough with veiled threats and then backing off once the evidence is against them.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
Why the 2012ers need to proof everything they say? The world is not just proofs and more proofs! There are unexplainable things happening, that doesnt require proofs. What about Nazca lines? Nobody proved how they were made.
You NEED to be less skeptical. We need to believe in something more spiritual to explain 2012 and stop looking at the physical world to explain why its wrong. Lots of modern prophets are predicting 2012. This one, for example:
http://www.2012hoax.org/desteni
Something we never seen before can happen in 2012. Im just saying.
There are unexplainable things happening, that doesnt require proofs.
I have here at home some unexplained secret thing that will prove that 2012 is real. Just send me 100 dollars and I will forward the 10 page booklet. I cannot prove it scientifically, but it is unexplained so prove is not required, all you have to do is just believe.
Lots of modern prophets are predicting 2012.
I want to see one modern prophet that actually comes out with a claim that is scientifically correct.
So far it amazes me that they can't even understand basic science.
Because having claims with no evidence to prove it makes you look stupid. Like what Dave is trying here.
Oh please, I am supposed to believe some claimed telepath is talking to interdimensional beings that are concerned with our universe? If anything, Destini should stop making up stories to the media for some desperate call for attention. I can claim right now that some alien from Jupiter talked to me in my sleep to tell me that his species are coming to live on Earth. But oh wait… it's just a dream.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
"If anything, Destini should stop making up stories to the media for some desperate call for attention."
Young child calling for attention, Why she would do that?
"Because having claims with no evidence to prove it makes you look stupid."
C'mon! Nobody needs to show evidence for all. The world is not just proofs! God, why you just cant understand that?
Young child calling for attention, Why she would do that?
Because countless people across the globe have claimed to see UFO's, Bigfoot, aliens, walking sharks, talking horses and they all wind up being disproven and a waste of time. What makes this one different? Proof please. Oh, my bad, by your logic I don't need proof and I'm just supposed to believe it dead on.
C'mon! Nobody needs to show evidence for all. The world is not just proofs! God, why you just cant understand that?
Yes they do. You can't just make a wild claim with nothing to back it up. Otherwise you will look ignorant.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
C'mon! Nobody needs to show evidence for all.
I also have this 15 page booklet that also contain this alien civilisation secret about the end of the world.
Regular price is 150 dollars, but for you I can combine add the 10 page booklet for the low sum of 200 dollars.
No evidence is required, just read the books and I guarantee you that no harm will come to you at the end of 2012.
The world is not just proofs! God, why you just cant understand that?
Who is claiming that everything that goes on the world can be explained? There's a difference between admitting you don't know something and claiming you do know something despite being totally unable to provide any evidence or mechanism for what you say. It isn't too hard to understand.
And why start up yet another account? Do want to make it seem as though many people believe this bunk? Sorry. It looks as though you're on your own.
If suddenly something happens in 21st December 2012, what would you do? You cant know if nothing will happen in that date. Something sudden, that the doomsayers cant prove but know that will happen. But you are soooo close minded that will NEVER pay attention to what they have to say to you. You dont want to check each claim they have, because ignore them, thinking they are just some scumbags claiming the same bullshit. You are scared, I can feel.
In a previous post, didn't you claim that it was all fake and that you didn't believe in any of it? Because your words are telling otherwise.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
I am just asking now. I dont believe in part of the 2012 "hoax",.
Heh… You're funny. How do they know it will happen if they can't prove it? Simple, they are close-minded and self-indulged that they think they are right when everyone is wrong. In other words, secluded idiots who can't get out in the real world.
They are in fact scumbags. They scare children to the point where they are sick and won't eat. They have caused people to contemplate suicide and some even have. So please, don't go around saying they are trying to help when in fact they are making things much worse by shouting their nonsense.
Scared? No. You can feel? Perhaps your telepathy is messing up as I am actually irritated right now. You come here telling us to be more open-minded and "less skeptic" when this site is about being skeptic about the 2012 doomsday hoax. And we disprove it at every turn.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
You dont want to check each claim they have
Uhm, that's the entire point of this website. That much is obvious right? Do tell me it's obvious…
If suddenly something happens in 21st December 2012, what would you do?
Something like what? Depends on what it is, regardless of whether it happens on December 12, 2012, tomorrow or ten years from now. There will probably be several earthquakes on 12/21/2012, and we just might have a geomagnetic event on or around that time, since solar max will be right around the corner. So … something like what?
You cant know if nothing will happen in that date.
Of course not.
Something sudden, that the doomsayers cant prove but know that will happen.
Something like what? How do they know?
But you are soooo close minded
No, I just request evidence for claims.
…that will NEVER pay attention to what they have to say to you.
Where is their evidence?
You dont want to check each claim they have
What claims? What do you think hasn't been checked?
because ignore them, thinking they are just some scumbags claiming the same bullshit.
Where is their evidence?
You are scared, I can feel.
I think your magical feeling detector is broken.
You eat "evidence". I can feel that. I am paranormal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal
When we have gifts, it means that they are from the last life. We are spirits.
I ask you then, where is your evidence that spirits doesnt exist? Heh? Hah?
You eat "evidence".
It tastes like chicken.
I can feel that. I am paranormal.
Oh this is rich…
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
Where's your proof they do exist? A Wikipedia article doesn't give the proof they exist. Considering the supernatural is always reported to be a 'feeling', or 'something that happens but you never see', doesn't that put the burden of proof on yourself?
And when we have gifts, they are from the last life? What is that even supposed to mean? You believe in reincarnation? Okay, that's nice. What if you were a bunny in your last life? Does that mean you'd have supernatural jumping abilities?
Really, all the 'evidence' of supernatural activity, or paranormal for that matter, is easily explained through science. All cases, or to be fair 'most', are fraud attempts. To make money, to have a few seconds of fame, and so on.
With so much documented proof of so much of it being bogus, the burden of proof is on yourself, Mr. Paranormal "Free-Speaker".
But, hey. Tell me what /I/ am feeling right now. Hint: It involves a ninja.
I ask you then, where is your evidence that spirits doesnt exist? Heh? Hah?
I dont think you realize how dumb this makes you sound. Let me say this very clearly, you can't prove something does not exist!
I can tell you that I own a Liger and its sitting in my living room. Are you going to believe me? Or are you going to ask me to provide evidence? Simply showing me, papers, a picture…..all those things will work. However, what you are asking us to do is provide us evidence that something doesn't exist. So, please prove to me that I don't have a Liger sitting in my living room Free-speaker.
You eat "evidence". I can feel that. I am paranormal.
Oh, spooky.
When we have gifts, it means that they are from the last life. We are spirits.
Well, then surely you can support your claim in some way.
I ask you then, where is your evidence that spirits doesnt exist? Heh? Hah?
Right now, I have no choice but to file them in the category with gods, demons, centaurs, fairies and good music by the Black-Eyed Peas.
Clearly you were an absolute lunatic in your past life. Congrats, your getting better each time, maybe in your next life you'll actually have a strate jacket and talk to nobody but a cat! You can do it, I believe in you.
Free-speaker 2012, or any other alias you are using.
I don't think you are here to discuss 2012 or Geryl or anything. I think you are here only to troll.
And I don't think you even believe in 2012 yourself. You only use the claims and links to somehow try to get people react emotional. That is all it is.
Bravo! Are you paranormal? I am here to ask exactly:
WHY 2012 IS FAKE AND WHY YOU DENY THAT SOMETHING NEW CAN HAPPEN IN THAT YEAR?
You're first 3 words are correct. Since the people here who suckle up to the "experts" seem to be front running the "experts", and the "experts" like to gamble, especially with other people's lives, I have a wager for you. If you're so sure that what you are saying here is fact beyond any reasonable doubt, I'll bet none of you will publish your physical home residence here for all to see. If you are right, think of all the praise and recognition that will be heaped upon you. But if it turns out you are wrong? There will be something other than praise heaped upon you.
So there it is, put your money where your mouth is. Sitting behind a monitor moving your lips and not owning up for any responsibility is as bad as the intellectually immature nodes here who have this obsession with parsing out comments and replying to each one individually. Reminds me of my high school days.
If you going to have groupies at least put a leash on some of them. They are an embarrassment to your cause.
Wow, feel the hissy fit in those words. I don't think I or anyone else here is a groupie, I think we are giving credit where credit is due. What's wrong with that? If you come here with false accusations against the authors of this site then prepare for people who have been helped by them to jump to they're defence. Are you the only one who's allowed to "tell it like it is". This site is recommended by highly respected scientists, even some from NASA, but apparently you know better and we should just allow you to make childish and bitter accusations that we know are just nonsense. If you want to dig a hole and hide in it then do so, but don't drag everyone else down with you.
I'll bet none of you will publish your physical home residence here for all to see.
In the interest of fairness, I trust you have made the same request to the publishers of the various doomsday websites. Please let us know how you get on.
They, of course, do have something to hide, namely what they have done with the money they have scammed off people. They may well wish to avoid being sued by the relatives of someone who was sufficiently traumatised by their lies that they committed suicide. They have very good reason for keeping their addresses secret.
If you are right, think of all the praise and recognition that will be heaped upon you
I seek neither praise nor recognition.
If you're so sure that what you are saying here is fact beyond any reasonable doubt, I'll bet none of you will publish your physical home residence here for all to see.
How is this in any way relevant? I could make a similar bet that you wouldn't reveal yours, but in the interest of respecting ones privacy I'm going to ask that you don't. I could not give a monkeys where you live, I don't care where you're fleeing towards next year, I don't care which mountain range or underground bunker you're taking cover in, so why should you care where exactly my home is, which is where I'll be waiting for another Christmas to roll by.
If you are right, think of all the praise and recognition that will be heaped upon you.
Newsflash, we're not doing this for praise and recognition. Why this has become your approach, I do not know. I for one am doing it simply because I can, others are doing it because they know of people in need of help for this sort of fear, others still are doing it because they are angered at how far this nonsense has gone on.
Sitting behind a monitor moving your lips and not owning up for any responsibility is as bad as the intellectually immature nodes here who have this obsession with parsing out comments and replying to each one individually.
Hey guys, the Apocalypse is on me, you heard it here first. Just what is your point? Why do you want us to be responsible when it is your responsibility to offer proof on an event worth fretting over in the first place? You have the positive claim that something will happen and something must be prepared for, and so you have the burden of proof upon your shoulders. Until we see some worthwhile, thoroughly tested evidence that we can't refute, then we'll continue to refute the bad science that does spew from proponents mouths. It's your goal, in a sense, to show that you are correct. You simply haven't done that to the standards science demands.
Why do they need to publish their physical address for you? How is it relevant? Or are you upset that you can't argue for the doomsday theories you support simply because you're unable to comprehend natural science?
How does stocking up on dried and canned goods help you for 2km high waves?
How will stocking up on ammunition protect you from 40 years of ash?
After all, this is the kind of stuff Geryl is suggesting in his books. Maybe you should read them before you talk about them.
I'll bet none of you will publish your physical home residence here for all to see
Are you by any chance this guy?
As I have stated several times, I have already been threatened. I'm not going to invite more of that by publishing my home address.
If you are right, think of all the praise and recognition that will be heaped upon you.
The only "praise and recognition" I want are the thank-yous from the people that this site has helped.
Sitting behind a monitor moving your lips and not owning up for any responsibility is as bad as the intellectually immature nodes here who have this obsession with parsing out comments and replying to each one individually. Reminds me of my high school days.
If you say something here, expect to be asked to support it.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I still dont know why you need evidence (proofs) for everything. Something sudden can happen in 2012. Something the doomsayers cant prove, because… is sudden. But some spirit maybe God told them.
You, scientists, are funny. Deny everything, but when it happens, say: "This is wonderful". You cant accept that surprises, miracles and new things that are common.
WHY 2012 IS FAKE AND WHY YOU DENY THAT SOMETHING NEW CAN HAPPEN IN THAT YEAR?
I only see this kind of trolling on World of Warcraft. Well until now that is.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
Who said we were all scientists? I'm just a high schooler. And with very little scientific background I might add. I just know common sense when someone claims they can predict the end of the world.
We aren't saying nothing new will happen. We're saying nothing catostrophic will happen like so many idiotic doomsayers claim.
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Wait… when did that happen?
So something between catastrophic and nothing? On a scale of 1 to 10, what level of disruption do you thing will happen? I appreciate you saying you're in high school. That's more than more will reveal here about themselves here other than they know everything. I have a 15 year old daughter with whom I share none of my research on 2012 with, but is well aware of our situation. I'm also impressed you are here to learn more for yourself, that takes guts. You're quest to see if you have a future or not, is admirable. I agree with you that 'something' is coming, just not a catastrophic event. In my opinion, some have confused this with a Biblical End of Times event. As for myself, I believe we may be inconvenienced for a while and some elderly and sickly types might not make it. But you my friend, with your brave curiosity and willingness to seek out the truth, will no doubt live long and prosper!
I agree with you that 'something' is coming
What exactly is coming and why should you think that way?
I believe we may be inconvenienced for a while and some elderly and sickly types might not make it.
What would cause that?
You'll have to explain why you think 'something' will happen on 21st December 2012 and not tomorrow.
WHY 2012 IS FAKE AND WHY YOU DENY THAT SOMETHING NEW CAN HAPPEN IN THAT YEAR?
Just changing some words I can return the same question to you: Why 2012 is real and why you claim that something new can happen in that year?
If you are so interested in parapsychology, here is a page, where James Randi debunks it.
It's because they can't think outside their box. Anyone venturing inside their box becomes a target making normal conversation alien to them.
Dave
This site is not saying that it is not possible to imagine some disaster happening in the future. They are just pointing out that non of the people who state that something WILL happen soon have no evidence for that belief. Geryl's work just does not hold water it is just a series of statements of possibilities (and some impossibilities) with a conclusion that these things WILL happen. Saying a car crash CAN happen to someone specific is not the same as saying a car crash WILL happen to someone specific. or asteroid or tsunami or world turning upside down or alien intervention or …. etc etc. If he wishes to write a book on things that can happen he is free to do so. If he writes a book stating that they will happen soon then he needs to provide at least some credible evidence. Of course you can prepare for all of the possibilities but it would in 99.999% of cases be a waste of worry and time. You could spend your time digging a shelter because of the possibility of a meteor impact…. and then just sit their and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait…






