This year seems to have gained a very infamous reputation. You can't hear the words two-thousand and twelve without getting a weird feeling in the pit of your stomach. When you analyze it, most of the claims about this year are pretty easily proved to be false. There seems to be two recurring words though, and they are pole shift. Of course most people don't differentiate between the magnetic and rotational poles, and use the term interchangeably. No matter what the claimed mechanism though, that keeps getting brought up. The one person that I think stands out in this is Geryl. When you hear the claims put forth by this person you can't help but to think it is all crazy. Pretty much all of it seems to come from his imagination, and the bodies of work of other authors that wrote before him. It is definitely easy to say it is insane, as it well seems as such. I wonder though if we ignore it at our own peril. So far he has been able to do what even our best scientists can not do, and that is predict solar activity/a solar flare. I have no explanation for how he did this, and I wish I did, but he said there would be one on a certain day give or take a day, and there was one the day after the day he had said. This should raise our curiosity should it not? I have read reviews and have read things pointing out how all of his math has a lot of mistakes and relies heavily on numerology, and one of the biggest claims of retrograde loops of Venus was shown to be false. Given all of the mistakes in all of it, it begs the question how did he get something accurately right. There comes some questions with all of it. Do we have any way of knowing that our planet has not switched direction of rotation? Do we know that the continents have not shifted by a large amount in the recent geological history? There also begs the question how he knows that the Americas will supposedly be the most affected and will end up in a "polar climb" whatever that is. I really think this needs to be picked apart more, simply because I do not think it is wise to ignore something that might be true. I am sure you all have families that you love, kids, husbands, wives. I do as well and I do not want them to go through what is being claimed, nor do I want to go through what is being claimed. It would also be different I believe if he was just claiming these things and not doing anything. This is not the case though. He in fact has a non-profit survival organization set up, and that is unnerving because I don't think that somebody who was not sure would create something like that and put a bunch of money into it. I do not know if their plans have come to reality or not, I just know they were trying to. Anyways, I figured it may do well to discuss this more in depth.
I was just reading online and it is interesting that there are more books trying to relate Atlantis to the Egyptians and Mayans than I thought. One by the author "Frank Joseph" claims that we will be going into an ice age in 2012. This has evidently been a subject of books for longer then I thought, and it appears Geryl is a late comer to this market. The different books seem to vary in their conclusions. I still don't understand where he gets his date of 9772 for the "catastrophe" from, other than the Venus loops which were proven to be false. I think the only reason anybody is paying attention to Geryl is because he is the loudest one in this market. I am still trying to get this crap out of my mind and find reassurance, but it is an everyday effort. I have never been the most religious person, but I find myself breaking down and crying and praying for nothing to happen. Begging, saying that people kids adults do not deserve that, and they don't. My family, your family, nobodies family deserves for to live through the end of the world. That's another reason I dislike Geryl as I have said before because he is so heartless. I love people and not just my family, everybody. I get depressed outside sometimes looking at people doing things and I just pray that the doomsday claims aren't true.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
Hey Diesel!!
I feel the exact same way! I have a four month old and a six year old daughter and it bothers me to even fathom that I could have brought them into this world for them to have to go through any of that. But at this point, I have come to accept that all these proponents as completely untrue!
I think that if there were ever going to be another ice age as a result of global warming/climate change, I think that 2012 would be way too soon! I don't have any professional knowledge in this area whatsoever, but I have been doing a lot of reading on NASA's GISS and based on what I've read, it just seems that an ice age for 2012 would be close to an impossibility. This is just my opinion, like I said, I have no professional knowledge or training or whatever, it's just a conclusion that I came to by reading the reports and related articles. There are lots of pieces of information on the GISS website and it's actually quite fascinating. Have you seen any of it before? What do you think?
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
I don't particularly believe in an ice age or a pole shift or any of it. It is definitely hard to believe an ice age could happen in 2 years, but at the same time it is much harder to believe that a solar flare can flip the core of our planet over and in turn flip our planet and cause it to rotate the other way. I would rather the ice age though that is for sure, at least then you have a better chance of surviving that.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
Agreed! Obviously to most people, when you say 'ice age,' they jump to The Day After Tomorrow depiction. I know I do and to be honest, it doesn't really seem nearly as scary as some of the rest of these doomsday scenarios. Of course, there would be devastation on a large scale, but it wouldn't be a 'global killer.' I'm with you, I'd take that any day over, say umm, a conversation with a Zeta!
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
- Shakespeare
So far he has been able to do what even our best scientists can not do, and that is predict solar activity/a solar flare.
If I told you that my pet chimpanzee had pointed to a date in the calendar, and on that date a solar flare had occurred, then the chimpanzee had repeated the trick successfully, would you declare that I was "more capable than our best scientists?"
I very much doubt it.
That's effectively the same thing that Geryl is doing. His methods have no scientific validity whatsoever. I don't know how many more times this needs to be said.
Correct predictions of sunspots or solar flares on particular days, with the Sun moving towards its next maximum, is hardly a statistical improbability.
There also begs the question how he knows that the Americas will supposedly be the most affected and will end up in a "polar climb" whatever that is.
He doesn't know it. He just makes it all up. Of course, he could always show us the physics behind this conclusion but if it's anything like his schoolboy calculations for solar activity we would all be treated to a good laugh.
Geryl is a crank. That's C-R-A-N-K. How long does it take for this to sink in?
Hi,
I am sorry to make it seem like I am trying to support him. I am simply worried about the things that he has said. Do our scientists have any way to know that our planet has always rotated the same way? Also has the continents shifted any large amounts in the recent geological history? I do not even want to go into the atlantis claims that so many authors have talked of, and Diesel is right all of the atlantis claims even the ones trying to relate them to maya and egyptians were wrote about many years ago. It seems the same claims have been taken and tweaked a bit and put into one body of work trying to link it to 2012.
Do our scientists have any way to know that our planet has always rotated the same way?
Just a question, how much force do you think you would need in how much time to stop earth?
Second, except for a big collision, what in our solar system has enough mass to actually stop the rotation of the Earth and even reverse it?
I wanted to bring up something and see what ya'll have to say about it. On PG's site it talks about how in recent decades solar activity has gotten more intense and/or frequent and offers some charts I believe ( been a bit since I went there ). Also I saw somewhere things that talk about solar activity having a connection to things like earthquakes, volcanoes, and storms etc. Now it did go from sun activity increasing to ( I'm guessing when the quiet, long lasting minimum was noticed ) claiming it would stay quiet until 2012, which hasn't been the case. In any case, I'm just wondering what ya'll have to say about it. I read http://spaceweather.com/glossary/sunspotnumber.html that gives the "International Sunspot Number" from 1745-Present and it looks as though it has fluctuated a lot, but I don't quite know if I am interpreting it right.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
Sigh. Maybe I'm wrong here but your post is a bit suspicious to me. I don't know if you have read previous discussions on this site about geryl, but asking for him to be discussed "in more depth" is a strange request. Seriously, people here are bordering on obsession with geryl, countless questions have been asked about him, with many answers given. I understand he may frighten you, but iv no idea how you come to the conclussion he has to be discussed more. Again, the earth has NEVER had a shift of the rotation poles. If a flare had enough energy to do this, the planet would MELT! A flare may have happened a day after he said it would, but he specifically said it would be a complex eruption, and all that happened was a c-class flare, which occur almost EVERY DAY heading toward solar maximum. He also very clearly stated that solar activity would stay very low until December 2012, all those x-class, and m-class flares and multiple cme's in the last few weeks have proven him WRONG!
Sunspots do fluctuate a lot, but they go through an average 11 year cycle. They are now moving upward toward the 2013 maximum. Although solar flares occur at any time during the cycle, there are generally more at the maximum of yhe solar cycle. As for Geryl getting his prediction correct, wasn't that like one or two within the time range he guessed out of about 6 guesses? I don't remember the exact numbers and it's too late to look for it tonight, but I'll see what I can find tomorrow. I know we had a couple of long threads going on that. One was under the Geryl page and I don't remember what the other thread was.
Ice ages don't happen abruptly. They come on gradually as the Earth's average temperatures slowly decrease. It couldn't happen by 2012.
Another point about our buddy Patrick is that there doesn't seem to be any proof that he is actually building his alleged shelters. He says they will be able to build them when they get enough people joining his group and paying their money. In my opinion, his group is anything but non-profit. I'll be interested to see people trying to get their money back in 2013 if no shelters appear.
Yeah the sunspot number does fluctuate. The graphs that most people use put a nice little upward line based on high sunspot maximums. Normally if something was "charging up" like Geryl claims, it would be a pretty steady increase of sunspots.
Also he says that the magnetic field needs charged every 11,000 or so years which goes against our data.
As for predicting "complex" eruptions. He made this claim shortly after the August 1st eruption. If you go to www.spaceweather.com and go to that date, you will see that it was a pretty big deal then. Then go to October 27-28 and look at the difference in the "flares". Really no comparison.
He also seems to have made the prediction for Earth directed flares with a complex magnetic field, which is not the case. It went from having the ability to predict a flare with a 1 day error, to having a whole week of error. Polarity of CME's change during its travel. He has not shown the ability to predict polarity, and no ancient Maya or Egyptian even knew how a magnet worked. They probably rarely saw some green lights in the sky, and made a God for them or something.
Thank you for the replies to my question everyone. Special thanks to you James, as you have pointed out that it wasn't as clear cut as I thought it was. And yeah Alene, that is another thing I agree on that there is no proof that he has or is building them, and that is one thing I wish I could figure out. There was also another M-class flare today, but it wasn't Earth directed. By the way, relating to what James said and I still don't get is is there any proof that the Egyptians mentioned 2012 at all? Kinda confused on that point.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
They didn't. Geryl simply claims they did, going by his own versions of hieroglyphics.
Sort of like a certain someone's versions of Sumerian hieroglyphics.
No ancient culture, besides the Maya, mention 2012 in their historical logs. As for the Maya, it's mentioned briefly, as a hand-waved piece of text, on a poorly taken care of slab. If it was so important to them, that slab wouldn't be in such disrepair.
Regardless, Geryl's a scam artist.






