Interesting Article

Interesting Article

DieselHorseLAW 25 Feb 2011 23:26

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/lake-vostok-antarctica/

So does that mean that Antarctica has been frozen for 14 million years? Wondering because obviously that would cause more problems for any "pole shift" claims, but especially PG's claims.

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Alene Y 27 Feb 2011 03:44

It appears so. But they do say that the ice sheets have advanced and retreated several times in the last 5-7 million years. That doesn't mean they've gone away, just moved back and advanced again. Antarctica has remained over the South Pole for the last 40 million years, though.

"40 MYA
The first large ice caps form as Antarctica settles its position over the south pole

25 MYA
The whole Antarctic continent becomes covered in ice.

20 MYA
The Antarctic convergence arises. This circumpolar upwelling of deep oceanic waters essentially isolates the southern ocean from the South Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans and has a great effect on keeping Antarctica cold."

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/History/history_of_the_land_geological-timeline_of_antarctica.htm

Re: Interesting Article

DieselHorseLAW 26 Feb 2011 01:39

You know, I was just thinking. I find it kind of interesting that I have become obsessed with the 2012 proponent who's claims sound the craziest. Just hearing the words " solar flare flip the core " would make you raise your eyebrow. I find a lot more people seem to be scared of Planet X and other things that seem more real. I guess the reason all of that doesn't bother me as much is because you can easily bring up the point that if it was true then we could see it, and not to mention the original creator of it didn't point to 2012 in the first place. I have figured out the only reason PG bothers me is because of the solar activity/flare predictions, if it wasn't for that then I honestly believe I wouldn't be so obsessed. I can deal with somebody being crazy and contradicting themselves and what not, which he seems to do a good bit. What I mentioned above is the only thing that keeps my mind hinged on him at all. I look into the supposed predictions of different cultures and it seems to fall apart that they predicted anything or mentioned 2012. Like the Hindu thread I posted at first I found it weird about the Kali Yuga until I realized that it lasts for around 400,000 years more. I still find it odd the 3000 BC date that seems to be common with a few civilizations, but yeah. Really it leaves you down to the Maya and the Egyptians, whereas we all know the correlation with the long count that MIGHT be reaching the 13th baktun in 2012. The Egyptians I still haven't found anything saying they mentioned 2012 specifically, just that they supposedly are related through Atlantis. The supposed Hopi connection seems to be a new age thing rather than actual Hopi. I heard something about the Incas but I haven't read into it, anybody know anything about it? Anyways though, I just found it odd that I seem to be obsessed with the one proponent who's claims are the craziest sounding ones of all.

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Alene Y 26 Feb 2011 07:17

I too have been a little puzzled about why you keep obsessing over his nonsense. The concept of a solar flare flipping the poles is simply preposterous. The Sun has a maximum in sunspot activity about every 11 years. The fact that its activity is increasing from minimum to maximum is perfectly normal. I don't find it impressive that he got one right out of however many it was that he predicted. If I predict five flares for March, allowing 2 or 3 days on either side of the date, chances are I will get at least one "right." That doesn't make me a prophet and it doesn't mean that I can predict solar flares. It's just covering the the whole month so it would be difficult to miss all of them. Just track his predictions and see how many hits he gets out of how many predictions. I doubt that you'll find an impressive track record.

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DieselHorseLAW 26 Feb 2011 07:21

As I posted in another thread looking at the math on the page about him. It says that a CME is 100 billion times less massive than the core of the Earth. I started thinking to myself.. wow that is a lot, actually to say it's a lot is an understatement. That's just another reason it is so crazy. I wish I could find out if that ( insert mean name here ) has actually built any freaking "bunkers". >.< Btw what I was lead to believe was that there was one specific day "predicted", not that there was multiple at the same time. I don't think it was as clear cut as I was lead to believe though.

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CaneLaz 26 Feb 2011 14:01

When I was first fearful of Geryl's claims, I told myself it was because they sounded the most logical. After my own research as well as the research done by the staff here, he might as well be Nancy Lieder. That's how silly he is to me. Niburu is about as logical.

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DieselHorseLAW 26 Feb 2011 22:37

Heck I never thought it sounded logical really, and the more I think about the less logical it sounds and the more crazy it sounds. That one thing just keeps me stuck on it though for whatever reason. I wonder a lot of the times if I would be as bad if it wasn't for my anxiety/depression. Like I said before, I keep coming here everyday looking for some kind of new good news, lol. Somebody needs to find some proof that he hasn't built anything, that…. would make me feel wonderful. :-P

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Tomy2011 26 Feb 2011 22:52

The more you read about Geryl and other nonsense, the more scared you'll be. Your anxiety is disturbing you and it will get worse if you keep doing that.

Somebody needs to find some proof that he hasn't built anything

Geryl hasn't build anything yet, as far as I know, because there's nothing about this in his website (HTS2012). But even if he did, that doesn't prove him right? Just forget Geryl. That guy is somewhat controversial and retarded.

Re: Interesting Article

DieselHorseLAW 26 Feb 2011 23:25

Yeah unfortunately it looks as though you can't get any answers or even send questions unless you pay a membership for that group thing now.

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Alene Y 27 Feb 2011 03:16

I think the statement in one of those emails you posted that said they would build them when they had enough members/money pretty much says they haven't built them.
We can't prove a negative, but their own statement is a pretty good indication that none have been built.

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DieselHorseLAW 27 Feb 2011 05:40

Yeah, I remember that. I didn't quite know what to make of that or how to interpret that. I did catch that drift though from it after you pointed it out and a re-read it. I find it hard to think that they actually got permission let alone had the funds to buy a huge plot of land in the mountains of Spain that is so famous for tourism. Not to mention like I said before, all the places that have been "looked at" are beside major bodies of water. Tsunamis are supposedly one of the biggest worries, so why the heck would ya put em next to seas/oceans?! :-| Remember the waves/water in the movie? That straight took out the Himalayas I think.. and those are really high. 0.o

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DieselHorseLAW 26 Feb 2011 23:39

Another e-mail from the "2012pro" team. I wonder why they keep sending stuff that talks about stuff totally different from what their "icon" says. They say the rotation of Earth will completely stop in "about a day". They throw in a bit of conspiracy saying that the government is manipulating our clocks so we can't tell the Earth is slowing down. So they are saying even as we speak the Earth is gradually slowing down until it completely stops rotation in a day. They say they can't pinpoint it to a week or a day because they don't have powerful enough computers. On the second page they throw in "The 12th Planet" and the red dust that it will supposedly call to fall to Earth that they say is in the bible. It still amazes me that this website as much as it pushes his stuff says things that are totally different from what is claimed by PG. I see so many contradictions in their e-mails and whatnot. Anyways you can read the full thing in the link in the e-mail and see what I am talking about.

Dear ——,

Polar shifts are part of nature and unfortunately
part of the Earth's history…and future!
Since there are no eye witnesses alive of the
previous polar shift, yet we do know it happened
and had dramatic impact causing massive change
of all life forms on Earth, research and logic teaches
us that there are clear signs on when the process
will start and the next polar shift is happening.

Learn how to recognize the signs of the upcoming
polar shift here…
http://info.2012pro.com/articles/art_003_polarshiftsigns.htm

The signs are abundantly clear, yet initially
world leaders will try and cover them in their role
of avoiding massive panic impacting their economy
in a negative way. With the already bad economy
today, any news about what will happen in 2012 is
not helping to restore what can no longer be fixed.
But even with the mass manipulation, the signs will
become clearer the closer we get to the events.
Nobody will need the media or communication tools
to see clear evidence of what is about to happen.

Learn how to recognize the signs of the upcoming
polar shift here…
http://info.2012pro.com/articles/art_003_polarshiftsigns.htm

We'll spend more time after this article to this
natural phenomenon as it forms the basis for what
not only the Mayas predicted…so stay with us!

Your suggestions, articles and other information
stays as always very welcome…you can reach us
by email at moc.orp2102|ofni#moc.orp2102|ofni.

To your success,

Gerard Le Flamand
The 2012Pro.com Team

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Re: Interesting Article

Alene Y 27 Feb 2011 04:04

"The government is manipulating our clocks."

Which government?
That would be quite a trick, since the only thing any clock is connected to (other than on the computer) is an electrical outlet. Many are battery operated and there are even some manual windup clocks still around. We also have the clocks in our cars that run off the battery. Then there are our battery operated watches. How many people depend on the computer to know what time it is? Good luck to them with that one.

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DieselHorseLAW 27 Feb 2011 05:42

Yeah I got that same drift from reading the whole thing, like "Huh?". I remember PG's thing saying there was evidence in paleomagnetism of his claims, but I remember hearing that paleomagnetism is how our scientists have found things that go against his claims like the time frame of 700-800,000 years since the last magnetic reversal etc.

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Re: Interesting Article

DieselHorseLAW 27 Feb 2011 22:10

Anybody got any opinions on what I mentioned above about the "paleomagnetic evidence"?

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Alene Y 01 Mar 2011 06:17

The paleomagnetic evidence, magnetic striping along the mid-ocean ridge is the evidence for when geomagnetic reversals have taken place. This ridge was formed by lava flows as the North American plate and the Eurasian plate move apart. The lava hardens into rock that is aligned with the magnetic field as it is at the time. Using the magnetic direction of these "stripes" tells us about past geomagnetic reversals. The time periods determined from this completely refute PG's claimed cycle of reversals. It has been about 780,000 years since the last reversal.

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DieselHorseLAW 01 Mar 2011 06:19

Ok, thank you, that is what I was thinking but I wanted to be sure. So I wonder why he would say paleomagnetic evidence would support him or something of that sort.

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Alene Y 01 Mar 2011 06:40

His scientific knowledge leaves a lot to be desired. I think he just operates on wild speculation. Why worry about facts when people believe any fantasy he puts out?

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obaeyens 27 Feb 2011 11:41

Astronomers would be the first to detect this, when the star or planet or sun dos not match the calculated coordinates with the time.

What about your sun dial? Does the government have man in black that gets into your garden too to tamper with your sun dial?

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bikenbeer2000 27 Feb 2011 11:48

They throw in a bit of conspiracy saying that the government is manipulating our clocks so we can't tell the Earth is slowing down.

I've said it before, but the sheer stupidity of such claims never ceases to amaze me.
Every regular physical process in the universe could be regarded as a clock - from the Moon orbiting the Earth to the signals from a distant pulsar. If the 'government' aren't manipulating these clocks as well, then the differences between the clocks would be obvious.

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DieselHorseLAW 27 Feb 2011 22:11

I agree with both of you Obae and Biken, it makes absolutely no sense at all.

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DieselHorseLAW 01 Mar 2011 02:58

I re-ask, does anybody have any info and/or opinion on what I said above about paleomagnetic evidence?

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