First-can I thank you for this site? I have to admit I was one that heard/read things about 2012 that had me in a panic. I have 4 beautiful kids that I want to see grow up. This site has really helped ease those fears. I have a few people around me that still act like Chicken Little, the latest:the comet Elenin. That we need to stock up because within the next couple weeks it will hit Earth, and horrible things will happen. I tried to explain that it's not true, but of course I don't know what I'm talking about ;) Anything I can pass along that may help? Thank you once again.
Comet Elenin hitting Earth?
It is going to pass at 34,000,000 km that is 88.5 times further than the Moon.
It is about 1/4th the distance of the Earth to the Sun.
To put it in perspective, Venus is 38,000,000 km at its closest and no collisions there ;-)
In addition to Obaeyens' post, you'll be waiting til Sept/Oct for that closest pass to occur, not a few weeks.
Fingers crossed it'll be easy to spot though, it's looking good.
I am trying to simulate it in my gravity simulation but so far new orbital elements from JPL suggests that it is a one time event.
It will never come back.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#cad
Closest time= 2011-Oct-16 20:20 (+- 26 minutes)
Closest distance = 0.233599286858347 AU = 35,000,000 km
The time it is travelling = 23.9147169065473 km/s
SINCE NONE OF YOU WANT ME HERE I'LL JUST GET TO THE POINT…BE PREPARED THAT'S ALL…
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Astrogeek
You just copy-pasted from some bullshit site, didn't you?
What about all the disasters and other natural events that occur outside of any "alignments," hmm?
I'll tell you one more time, read this. Learn. And for godsake, shut up about what you don't understand, unless you're asking questions. Stop spreading your ignorance to others.
Dr. Mesur haas incredible research I suggest you take the time and read some.
We did. We laughed. And then we saw how easy it was for the gullible or the ill-informed to whip it up into whatever they wanted.
DD, nothing you've posted has interested us, I might even go so far as to say nothing you've posted is new to us, it's the same old baseless claims that come and go whenever someone wants to try and outsmart science. We're not buying it, we haven't bought it, we still won't buy it no matter how many times you post it.
The sooner you realize just how little there is going for your claims, the sooner you'll realize just how tired people get listening to them - the sooner you'll realize just why you're getting the responses you get.
MORE RESEARCH THAT PROVES THAT SOLAR OUTPUT DOES EFFECT WEATHER…
link:http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/SolarInfluence.pdf
Let me here it…
And more… I could do this all day but really the question we need to ask is…ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE WRONG?
link:http://www.terrapub.co.jp/onlineproceedings/ste/CAWSES2007/pdf/CAWSES_231.pdf
I wonder which bits of these links you read, the abstract already throws doubt and uncertainty to the idea before it even begins discussing it. It seems to you like to read words like 'potential', 'possible', 'may' as 'definite', 'confirmed' or 'conclusive'. And speaking of conclusive, the conclusion arrived at in that very link is again just an outline of it being 'possible' not 'actually happening'.
Frankly climate change kinda bores me, there are seemingly hundreds of angles of attack and ideas aplenty, the key fact coming out of it being "yeah, it's happening". Seeing as change always happens, you've got to show significant change, to show significant change you need to show absolute bucket loads of supporting evidence, to show bucketloads of evidence you have to have had the record keeping in place for decades and/or make an effort to analyze every piece of the puzzle and even when you do that someone comes along and shouts loudly at it being wrong.
Sounds familiar really.
So what you've done here, probably not for the first time, is chucked out a link that supposedly supports your viewpoint without expressing your viewpoint, or the relevance of the link. That's akin to slapping down a copy of Lord of the Rings in front of someone and expecting them to read it and confirm your views that Elves are rather girly, without ever saying to them what you think about elves, or why they should bother wasting their time to read the book.
Heck, I'm so bored of what you're doing here, even that analogy sucked. What's your point Dee Dee?
So what you've done here, probably not for the first time, is chucked out a link that supposedly supports your viewpoint without expressing your viewpoint, or the relevance of the link.
What's amusing is that he showed up here to argue one thing, got completely destroyed, and has now started trying to "argue" something else entirely but in a way that he thinks absolves him of having to actually defend his position.
HAHAHAHAHAHA….HAHAHHAHAHA I FOUND IT FINALLY!!!
OK You guys said that planetary alignments could never be cause of Solar Storms….
WELL IT DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS IM GONNA MAKE THIS VIRAL….HAHAHAHAHHA
LINK TO NASA RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/Apparent%20Relations%20between%20Solar%20Activity%20and%20Solar%20Tides%20Ching-Cheh%20Hung.pdf
Again, not sure on the level of peer-review this one has had - note the phrase "This report contains preliminary findings, subject to revision as analysis proceeds." for one, and once again a summary and conclusion that include words regarding the possibility, not the certainty of such a hypothesis.
Even since 2007 a good deal has been learned about the Sun, and now with constant observation from a number of satellites we get even more. It's entirely possible that the more we observe now, the less that hypothesis holds up.
Not that key word, possible. What's possibly right can also possibly be wrong. Ever wondered about whether you're wrong?
Hey, Dee Dee, please read this. Thanks.
OK You guys said that planetary alignments could never be cause of Solar Storms….
Who said that and where?
DD420, you still are not showing any sign that you actually understand this document. All you do is do quote mining and copy links that you think is important.
I don't think you even understand what is explained inhere.
Now tell us in your own words without copy and paste how these solar storms are caused?
Something is very wrong in this paper (I just skimmed it)
Twenty-five of the thirtyeight largest known solar flares were observed to start when one or more tide-producing planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Jupiter) were either nearly above the event positions (<10° longitude) or at the opposing side of the Sun.
Planets are ALWAYS pulling at the sun no matter what time and place they are. If this hypothesis is true then we should get constant flares all the time in the direction of those planets. Not only 25.
I need time to pull this paper apart and check his claims.
The first thing that strikes me is that this paper is not a final draft, so this one is not peer reviewed. Also it contains a lot of "may" and "possible" and "probable". I am wondering if it really did get peer submitted reviewed.
Also the sample rate is only 25 flares. What about all other flares and planet positions?
This paper is from 2007 so we need to check if there were any alignments where none of these flares started or when we see big flares when none of the planets are aligned. We had pretty big flares recently, so we can check if any of the planets were aligned.
Also the flares shown here are no where near what the 2012 hoaxers predict and there is no planet alignment on that day.
Dee Dee seems to have a very short memory.
I am still waiting for DD to explain in his own words what this paper tells instead of just blind copy and paste like a brain-dead CT.
I took some snapshots of the planet position at certain dates that the paper claimed to have some kind of alignment and a intense solar flare.
1959 July 10
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7504/1959jul10.jpg
1960 November 12
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5637/1960nov12.jpg
1972 August 02
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1250/1972aug02.jpg
2003 October 28
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8150/2003oct28.jpg
I really want to dig into this paper and it is going to take at least a week since I have not much time next 10 days.
Apparently Deedee fails to explain paper in his words. So here I do it myself.
I did read the paper more deeply, and even though the hypothesis seemed right that some alignment could pull the atmosphere of the sun like our oceans get pulled by the moon and somehow this ends up causing solar flares, but when you fill in some numbers then the hypothesis gets blown out of the water fast.
When you calculate the force on 1 kg mass at the Sun's atmosphere, then the sun pulls it with 274.45 N while the Jupiter pulls it the other way with 0.00000021 N.
In short the local sun force has a 41,759,200,000 times bigger influence on that mass than Jupiter. And it does not matter if you align any of the other planets or not.
That doesn't appear to be a peer-reviewed paper and the author features on a variety of climate denial blogs, so consider my skepticalometer on high alert right about now…
You also appear to have not comprehended what was even written in it - if your summary for it is "research that proves that solar output does effect weather", why link to a pdf that doesn't mention weather at all?
So what does it show? It states, in a number of places, 'the Sun is a major force for controlling natural climate change'. That kinda makes sense, what with the Sun being the hottest thing in the solar system, but maybe you should check out this video and see if you still think the Sun is a major factor in climate change.
So you've posted one link that doesn't support what you write about it, nor does it support the consensus on climate change. I wonder what the next two links bring…
Hey double D, aren't you getting a little tired of having your ass handed to you on a plate? Give it up dude, it's becoming embarrassing.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
If a nasa article isn't enough nothing will be…
And you guys did disagree with my solar driver theory down below on this thread…its about 2/3rds down. Doesn't really matter its already blowing up just start typing in planetary alignments and solar flares on google, its already viral, My job is done and thats to INFORM people who have open minds. TY TY i'm sure there will be a video by tomorrow on it.
There could be a hundred videos, a thousand videos, videos don't change the laws of physics.
If a nasa article isn't enough nothing will be…
If only anything released by NASA even remotely agreed with your nebulous, indefensible claims. Alas, such is not the case.
And you guys did disagree with my solar driver theory down below on this thread…
You don't have a theory. I'm not saying you didn't make claims. I'm saying you apparently don't know what a theory is.
FIRST OF ALL THAT WAS MY POST, second you could of let people read it first, third thats cool im done. Must be easy debating with each other huh? You guys aren't even good for an argument especially since astrogeek stopped talking. YOU AND I WILL BELIEVE WHATEVER WE WANT TO…SO WHATS THE POINT, not going to waist my time. But it was fun. Keep up with the STELLAR research you guys have been doing, LOL. Hope Nasa tells you what you want to hear someday.
Spreading ignorance to others is exactly what you ^%*&%$ do!!! I agree that some if not most of the 2012 stuff is BS, but you guys are so FKN ONE SIDED ITS RIDICULOUS!!! If you guys didn't believe at all…..
YOU WOULDN'T BE WASTING YOUR TIME ON THIS SITE LET ALONE TRY TO DEBUNK PEOPLE LIKE ME… well that is unless YOUR TOTAL LOSERS!!!
WHAT YOU GUYS TO IS EASY!!! THERE'S TON'S OF RESEARCH TO BACK UP MODERN SCIENCE, BUT ALL OF YOU DON'T WANT TO EXCEPT THE FACT THAT WE DONT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT EXTERNAL INFLUENCES ON THE EARTH. And trying to research it IS NOT that fun. I WISH i could go to WIKIPEDIA to look up earthquake precursor anomalies… YOU &()*&)'S WOULDA QUIT ALONG TIME AGO IF YOU HAD TO PRODUCE ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO MODERN SCIENCE.
WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS BIG ASS JOKE, TRY DOING REAL RESEARCH…and if you can OPEN UP YOUR BRAIN TO OTHER IDEA'S!!!
TRY DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING WITH YOUR TIME, NOT JUST TELLING PEOPLE THE SAME SHT EVERYDAY
THERE'S NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT…. THATS THE BIGGEST CROC EVER. When the economy takes a shit and this stuff goes down we'll see WHO HELPS YOU?
second you could of let people read it first
I did read it. I told us all about some alignments leading to dire consequences on May 17th.
Err… we seem to have passed that date without anything in particular happening.
All that proves is that you don't even read your own copy-and-paste bullshit.
MY PREDICTIONS FOR MAY WERE CORRECT. & I never said anything about dire consequences.
My predictions are at this link:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1487058/pg1
Here's link that confirms it:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/
For future alignment dates you MIGHT want to know go to this link:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1482658/pg1
Then again a 500% increase in seismic activity in the regions I PREDICTED is probably nothing to you guys huh?
Go ahead let me hear the excuses this time…
Good for you, you predicted earthquakes in the Pacific ROF. 500% increase? In respect to what data and from what time (or timeline if that suits you better)?
Again, what are you getting at? All I can see is that you are mad about the fact that you are put on a waiting list for that fancy Bunker you soooo desperately want to buy. But don't fret, I have the solution. It's a shiny new invention called tin-foil, and if you just wrap yourself up (I don't think a hat will do) then I can guarantee you that you will be safe from "the Schulman Resonance" and every single quake in the world.
Disclaimer: Might not protect against sinkholes, FEMA evaluation pending
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Then again a 500% increase in seismic activity in the regions I PREDICTED is probably nothing to you guys huh?
500% is impossible. I saw the link and… honestly I don't see anything weird on it. What I see is a normal number of quakes. That's all.
My predictions are at this link:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1487058/pg1
Here's link that confirms it:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/
Except … earthquakes happen all the time, every day. You really don't understand this, do you?
For future alignment dates you MIGHT want to know go to this link:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1482658/pg1
To understand how foolishly you're behaving, you might want to go here and learn a little bit about what you're trying to argue. It could be an enlightening experience.
Then again a 500% increase in seismic activity in the regions I PREDICTED is probably nothing to you guys huh?
Well, since there was no such "increase in seismic activity," you might want to check that unbridled enthusiasm just a bit.
Go ahead let me hear the excuses this time…
You've been so thoroughly trounced in this thread, I've almost reached the point of feeling sorry for you. It's clear you so desperately want to be right, but are so hopelessly lost in your ignorance. I can kind of understand how you don't want to let go of this mindless crap after getting so emotionally invested in it, but being emotionally invested doesn't make you correct.
So I first checked one prediction of yours, "I would watch out for the Guam … areas"
I wonder why you picked an area in the Pacific Ring of Fire, where the vast majority of events occur, and in particular Guam where, as you'll hopefully be able to see on this page a huuuuuge number of events have occurred, and that only shows the last 20 years.
For those readers geologically lost in the world, Guam pretty much sits atop the Mariana trench. A subduction zone. One of the first places to look for geologic activity like Earthquakes.
Basically, DD (the more I see your name, the more I picture you as Dee Dee from Dexter's Lab, but that's a sidenote), you've just predicted rain in a rainforest. You've predicted ice cream at a children's party. You've predicted the sun rising. Well done.
But hey, let's look at what you've actually done, because it highlights how proponents work. I term it 'shotgunning', it's basically throwing out a whole load of claims and hoping just one of them hits. You've mentioned around 10 different areas 'for concern', many of which sit slap bang on top of a prime location for Earthquakes to occur, and then put a date on something to happen, hopefully for you in one of those ten areas.
Lo and behold, because it sits atop the Mariana trench, your prediction of something on the 18th for Guam was right, indeed as long as you aren't specific, many of your vague predictions were right.
Why did I say vague? Because your window for events was the 12th to the 18th, though in your own words "Especially the 17th&18th "during the full moon"" (which we know bears no influence here, but we've already tried to tell you that alignments mean nothing, you won't listen). Your locations are rather broad - which part of Indonesia, where around Papa New Guinea? You don't specify because you don't care, you know you have better odds if you're being vague.
In summary, for anyone reading, here's how to "Do a Dee Dee".
1: Know where Earthquakes are likely to be detected. Go for anywhere along the Pacific Ring of Fire for a safe bet.
2: Pick many locations. If you're wrong with 9 but get a hit on the 10th, congratulations, you're a successful predictor of Earthquakes - ignore the fact you missed 9, concentrate on promoting your 'skills' with the 10th.
3: Give yourself ample time. Though quakes occur thousands of times a day, you'll want to give yourself a few days breathing room, a week if you're feeling unsure. The more time you give, the more chance there is of a bigger earthquake - this isn't prediction, this is working the statistics.
4: Never, ever, ever write down a magnitude. You will be wrong. Even saying 'big' might land you in a bit of bother, so play it safe and just say 'something' will happen.
5: Always gloat at just a single prediction being correct. Sure, you've arrived there by blind chance rather than any inherent psychic ability, but you were right! Give yourself a gold star.
6: Repeat over and over again until you convince yourself you're important and ought to be listened to.
I think one of these days we'll have our own prediction event, just to highlight how easy it is. Until then, I'll wrap this up with a final sentence.
Dee Dee, you've still done nothing new nor interesting, you still don't have a clue how the world works.
#5 Always gloat at just a single prediction being correct.
Im not gloating
#2 Pick many locations.
I only picked locations that were showing signs of increased seismic precursor anomalies
Dee Dee, you've still done nothing new nor interesting, you still don't have a clue how the world works.
YOU guys have done nothing NEW NOR interesting, If people wanted to know what you guys know they would just open up their 9th GRADE science book.
Perhaps you should go back to that 9th grade science book and read it yourself some time.
Knowingly or not, you work the data. You know where you can find earthquake activity, you know what to do with it to make yourself seem all important. If you are knowingly working the data, if you know exactly what you're doing and yet continue to deceive others, you're no better than the hacks who flog books and DVDs on the subject.
But I don't know what you are, I don't know if you're essentially trolling the gullible. In a way I hope you're just misguided, and that eventually something will get through to you. It sure as hell hasn't gotten through so far, despite the mass of users here who can contradict everything you say, but hey, one day it'll get through.
Until then I'll wonder just why you're continuing to post here. You'll have more luck and followers - if that's what you're after - elsewhere.
I never said anything about dire consequences.
But you wrote this:
WARNING!!! ALLIGNMENT DATES YOU NEED KNOW. ELENIN, YU55,HONDA,& SO16
So are you warning people about the fact that there will be no dire consequences? What's the point in that?
I notice you claim success in predicting a magnitude 2.5 earthquake on the New Madrid fault line. Are you kidding? Magnitude 2.5? That wouldn't even be noticeable if I had a large jelly in the middle of my dining table.
I'm impressed with your ability to predict earthquakes in earthquake-prone areas.
Have you seen my predictions about the Sun coming up every morning? 100% success rate so far. Beat that!
FIRST OF ALL THAT WAS MY POST
Copying and pasting content from other websites is against our rules. You've been told this before.
You guys aren't even good for an argument especially since astrogeek stopped talking.
Yoohoo… «waves»
If you guys didn't believe at all…..
YOU WOULDN'T BE WASTING YOUR TIME ON THIS SITE LET ALONE TRY TO DEBUNK PEOPLE LIKE ME
I discuss the reasons why I started this site here.
TRY DOING REAL RESEARCH
Does your definition of 'real research' include using logical fallacies in your arguments?
When the economy takes a shit and this stuff goes down we'll see WHO HELPS YOU?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Frankly your 'research' was laughable. I particularly enjoyed the part where you steadfastly claimed that the constellation of Leo wasn't visible in December 2010, then vanished abruptly when I showed you otherwise.
The rest of your claims are of the same caliber.
In other words, you were easy. Oblivious to your failures, but easy.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
STILL IN DENIAL???
http://coupmedia.org/astro-physics/nasa-issues-2012-warning-and-possible-end-of-the-world-0102
Im sure you already found a way to discredit ANOTHER astrophysicist, lol. Even though none of you are ANY kind of scientist.
But have fun explaining this. Bye the way ah's its not dee dee &*#@% idiots. So if you've been taking it easy on me cause you think im a girl, STOP MORONS!
So now that astrophysicist Alexey Demetriev may have found the Solar Driver thats been influencing are sun lately, more and more of OUR evidence will start making sense. Although there will never be a way to fully predict solar output, we may look for other factors, that when combined with a solar driver, may influence extreme weather phenomenon, and even earthquakes, As we pass through this "energy cloud".
Actually, DD, Alexei Dmitriev is not an astrophysicist (though he is frequently cited as one on woo blogs and such). He is a geologist, and we've already dealt with him several times. His predictions were made in the late 1990s, and they have already failed. Please use the search function. Be sure to use proper spelling, unlike your "source."
Also, there is no "photon belt." Even if there were, it would have no effect on anything. Do you even know what a photon is?
And furthermore, please read this. Thanks.
That page is quote mining. Nothing in it is true.
The quote where he mentions that this will happen in ones of years and not tens, was back before the last solar maximum. He was not talking about the upcoming solar maximum. It has already been ten years since he was quoted. He was wrong.
Everything else is simply Nasa said this, Nasa said that without actually providing links or evidence that Nasa said anything. The new projection for the solar maximum is spring of 2013. They continue to claim that it is supposed to be in 2012, which is wrong. They ignore it, so unfortunately, you ignore it. You want to believe so badly, that you refuse to accept that the world is not ending. Whether you want to believe it or not, you are wrong. It isn't our fault that you can't accept that your claims are baseless assertions.
is it this genuine?
Nope, pure fiction invented by a madman that tries to shoehorn something that does not exist into something believable by quote mining NASA stuff into his story.
That guy probably does not know what a photon is.
You can easily detect pseudo-science when they weasel around with scary claims and big names but fail to show up any real evidence. It is purely a word game with zero scientific credibility.
And there is a reason why they never come out with maths and real physical numbers, because their wild theory gets exposed as quackery.
e.g. I recently showed that when you fill in the numbers, that Elenin has the same attraction force as a 80 km human standing 191 km away. It immediately exposed the quackery.
SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT-
All of you believe in global warming and NONE of you believe in external influences???
You still have not answered what a photon belt is.
You also did not answer what a photon is. We doubt that you have a clue what a photon is. And if you don't understand what a photon is, then you are in no way of a position to understand the link you provided.
Not exactly wanting this to go any more off topic, there is at least evidence for climate change. Where's the evidence for 2012?
Thats correct, unless someone has evidence otherwise. Currently, all of the evidence points to man-made causes. No evidence whatsoever for external influences. And please don't link something that says "all of the planets are experiencing global warming" because we know they aren't with an exception of a few who have very long seasons because it takes them longer to revolve around the sun.
If you believe a "magnetic photon belt" is the cause, then you will have to provide references and evidence for your claim. Linking sites like you just did, just make you look like an idiot who has absolutely no knowledge of how real science works. It also proves your references consist of sites that are not from Nasa directly, they just site Nasa. Its obvious they are lying, when the name of the person who says whatever, never comes up. I could simply say, Nasa said, "DD420 is a moron for not doing actual research, and only looking for a sense of self worth by making up claims" and it would hold just as much merit.
Nasa says that solar storms can effect climate change, and also can significantly effect any object or person not in the atmosphere.
link:http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/55394main_11%20SEC.pdf
My main concern is what effects solar storms have on our atmosphere once a hole 4 times the size of the earth has been found in our magnetosphere
link:http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/
When Michu Kaku is saying the shields are down
link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRRs0FRyKI
And that the impact of these solar storms can be much greater is when my attention went more towards external influences, thus the old understanding of how external influences impact the earth have to be rethought in some ways because the impact is now greater due to the breach in our magnetosphere.
Nasa says that solar storms can effect climate change, and also can significantly effect any object or person not in the atmosphere.
link:http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/55394main_11%20SEC.pdf
News just in: Rain is wet! And Dee Dee likes to change words!
"Space weather effects may induce some climate shifts, modify the ozone layer, change the propagation of radio and radar signals in and through the ionosphere, and produce significant effects on any object or person outside the atmosphere."
Emphasis added…
My main concern is what effects solar storms have on our atmosphere once a hole 4 times the size of the earth has been found in our magnetosphere
link:http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/
News just i— oh, wait, no, old news. I even found out somewhere that such holes weren't necessarily uncommon.
When Michu Kaku
Yeah I stopped reading after that. We know how he works.
So, once again, you've chucked out a bunch of links with what expectation? That their content was new to us? That we'd not be able to retort?
Here's a question for you, I'll make it bold so you bother to read it. What is your strongest piece of evidence FOR whatever it is you claim? What one, single piece of evidence do you have that will knock us on our backsides where we'll dribble for a bit and wonder just what hit us, before concluding you've actually got something worth talking about.
Because if you can't produce that one piece of evidence, or worse you don't even know what your strongest claim is, then you know you won't be getting anywhere on these forums.
Not that that has stopped you before…
and also can significantly effect any object or person not in the atmosphere.
Damn, now I can't go for that space-walk to clear my head. What kind of comment is that?
My main concern is what effects solar storms have on our atmosphere once a hole 4 times the size of the earth has been found in our magnetosphere
Your main concern appears to be waving your hands around like a ranting idiot while scraping the barrel for any scrap you think validates your garbage. If indeed there is a "giant breach" on the magnetosphere, the chances are it's been there for tens, hundreds, thousands maybe even millions of years, and guess what double D, we are still here.
When Michu Kaku is saying the shields are down
Isn't that the same interview that NASA senior scientist David Morrison called "offensive to astronomers"? I don't know much about michu Kaku, but he appears to be a media sweetheart, so sensationalism isn't something I could rule out in this case.
the impact is now greater due to the breach in our magnetosphere.
Solar storms happen, the risk of a large one taking out the odd electrical transformer or orbiting satellite are real, nobody here has ever said any different. Deal with it like a grown up and quit looking for reasons to try and scare people, it's….you know, sad.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
this is a reply to DD420:
Dude, you have failed to read anything that other people have said on this site. You just used the same claims that have been explained to you already very clearly.
The hole you claim is 4x the size of the Earth, is not a permanent thing. It was just the magnetic field reacting differently to solar wind than what was expected. It was not permanent and it was not 4 times the size of the Earth. What they made was an observation because they had the equipment now that could make it. This is not a new thing, it happens all the time. You refuse to accept this.
Too bad for you, Michu Kaku also spends time stating that 2012 doomsday is bunk. He has a reputation for giving the crowd what they want. Right now, it seems that everyone wants fear. The "shields" are not down, because one of our "sheilds" is our atmosphere. You'd probably know right now if that was gone. And your compass still points North, right?
I'm sure you won't read all of what I posted, or you will just ignore it and keep going, then you'll make up excuses when you are wrong wrong wrong.
WHAT YOU GUYS TO IS EASY!!! THERE'S TON'S OF RESEARCH TO BACK UP MODERN SCIENCE, BUT ALL OF YOU DON'T WANT TO EXCEPT THE FACT THAT WE DONT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT EXTERNAL INFLUENCES ON THE EARTH. And trying to research it IS NOT that fun. I WISH i could go to WIKIPEDIA to look up earthquake precursor anomalies… YOU &()*&)'S WOULDA QUIT ALONG TIME AGO IF YOU HAD TO PRODUCE ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO MODERN SCIENCE. WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS BIG ASS JOKE, TRY DOING REAL RESEARCH…and if you can OPEN UP YOUR BRAIN TO OTHER IDEA'S!!!
1) You don't need to write everything on Caps Lock.
2) Believe in what you want to believe. Just don't try to change our mind, because you can't. You are silly, and probably just a kid. If you don't mind, keep this BS with you.
3) "If you open your mind too much your brain will fall off".
OMG PLEASE READ THIS PEOPLE: THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT!!!
Yes according to the new trajectory nasa has given it will poss at 34 million km, BUT DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR FOCUS AWAY, NO comet elenin probably won't hit earth, but tiers little known about the orbit of a comet that had not passed in 10,000 years nasa admits this on their youtube video: comet elenin is coming 2011. BUT THIS HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE REAL ISSUE, Increased seismic activity, volcanism, and extreme weather will continue to get worse due to elenin, solar effects, and lunar modulation. Astronomical alignments along with elenin adding to the robustness, is causing increased solar and seismic activity. Solar effects and lunar modulation of those solar effects on the earth will give you extreme weather and earthquake triggers. To get these triggers you need a solar driver like an x level flare, along with a geomagnetic storm, during a lunar node crossing which we had directly before the japan earthquake an many others. WHY ELENIN IS OF INTEREST IS due to the simple fact that comets can cause increased solar activity according to Prof James Mccanney, they can and do produce solar flares amd cme bursts, which in turn with the right circumstances produce significant anomalies on earth, earthquakes, weather etc…Here are all the links to geophysicists, astrophysicists, meteorologists, to many too list with physical evidence of what's going on NOT 9th GRADE SCIENCE LECTURES WITH NO METHOD BEHIND THEIR MADNESS.
PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE WITH THEIR SIMPLE EXPLANATIONS THEY SIMPLY DON'T CARE, ARE TO SCARED TO ADMIT, OR ARE PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PULL U AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, link for that too
Links:
http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtiGHB_07c
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=999435651090748119
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j-70gOYVS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuvu9mUsOuw
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/percyseymour1.html
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226166-Planet-X-Comets-and-Earth-Changes-by-J-M-McCanney
How will a comet do those things anyway? Those things are the result of geological processes caused by the internal heat in the Earth. Somehow, I don't think there's a connection between that and the geological processes we are experiencing.
Extreme weather
…I don't get it. If the comet will not hit the Earth, I don't think it will affect the weather THAT drastically. Unless… the comet will increase the heat in the atmosphere. …Is that possible?
Solar effects, lunar modulation
Uh-huh?? …I might believe there's a shred of truth in this. Of course, I'm saying this because I read the article that our magnetosphere has become more peculiar lately. But, I don't think the comet will just change the sun or moon or anything.
Now please forgive me if I made mistakes on this. I'm just thinking of what I know and applying them to these questions. As for now, I'll wait for a more knowledgeable person to answer these questions.
Our fears are more numerous than our dangers, and we suffer more in our imagination than in reality.
Oh boy, here we go again.
You know, there is so much wrong with what you've written I'm wondering where to even begin, though I've just seen your first link, so I might begin with a burst of laughter.
And yes, I thoroughly believe that's what your post deserves. Laughter. Or in the words of the Internet, 'lolno'.
Ok I really don't want to be a jerk, but sometimes I can't help myself.
Caps locked: check
Calling us payed stooges: check
Exclamation points: check!!!!
Links to nonsensical videos: check
OMG written somewhere in the post: check
Failure to listen to real science but an unbelievable tendency to listen to random YouTube videos and woo sites: check
Is it safe to assume this person is a troll? I'm sure all this garbage he/she has written has been thoroughly dealt with. Boring.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Dear god, I googled "professor" James mccaney and it's like getting hit in the face with a plea for money. His site sells water filters "to cope with the increasing electrical and space influences on our planet". Also love the oil filters for sale "and they are much more important now with the radiation coming from japan". Claiming the government is covering up the whole comet elenin thing and turning your website into a tacky commercial enterprise doesn't seem like something a "professor" would do in my opinion.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Ok FELLAS LETS SEE US DEBUNK THIS ONE!
According to nasa and everyone else, LEONID ELENIN discovered Comet Elenin"c2010x1" on December 10th 2010 in NEW MEXICO around constellation Leo. I FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS PORTION OF THE SKY WAS NOT VISIBLE TO NEW MEXICO IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY OR FEBRUARY" its barely visible right now in may" YOU COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE "New Mexico" OBSERVING A COMET THAT WAS IN THE CONSTELLATION LEO "SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE" DURING DECEMBER. According to the Elenin ephemeris on the JPL database, and all other ephemeris's, Comet elenin was in the constellation Leo during December. BUT constellation Leo, and Comet Elenin,WERE NOT visible from New Mexico. I will make a video using stelarium, or ceslestia showing that during DECEMBER AND JANUARY COMET ELENIN WAS NOT VISIBLE FROM NEW MEXICO. Sites with legitimate information have been going down or being changed almost everyday since I began researching. Im not into conspiracy theories BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG.
Now on a side note:
If it makes you feel better to bash on me about my beliefs continue to do so, that's why I'm here. BUT remember your knowledge is based on 40 year old theories, IT MIGHT BE TIME TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, considering we "mankind" really DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT SPACE!
If you don't want to believe in External influences causing change on the earth that's ok, but you must at least consider the fact. I'm currently talking to a couple astrophysics professors from cal poly that are at least studying Dr Mesur's trying to disprove it, but you guys are to damn close minded, and that may end up being your demise.
i am just about to sort my thoughts into lesser anxiety, now this? goodness me, brings back my anxiety higher again, what if DD805 is right? it only means the NASA or government is trying to hide something from us?
can someone help to debunk this if it can be debunk at all?
rgds
what if DD805 is right?
Oh, really? This person came to this site with one purpose: annoy us. Don't worry about him.
Im not into conspiracy theories BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG.
If you think something is wrong, so… yes, it is conspiracy theory.
If it makes you feel better to bash on me about my beliefs continue to do so, that's why I'm here. BUT remember your knowledge is based on 40 year old theories, IT MIGHT BE TIME TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, considering we "mankind" really DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT SPACE!
And the doomsayers are what? They are not mankind too? Are they just some damn aliens?
If you don't want to believe in External influences causing change on the earth that's ok, but you must at least consider the fact. I'm currently talking to a couple astrophysics professors from cal poly that are at least studying Dr Mesur's trying to disprove it, but you guys are to damn close minded, and that may end up being your demise.
Do you have something else to do, like trying to present a real evidence that Elenin is actually going to kill us all soon and for your conspiracy theory, instead of being just another troll?
Pleeeease?
According to nasa and everyone else, LEONID ELENIN discovered Comet Elenin"c2010x1" on December 10th 2010 in NEW MEXICO around constellation Leo. I FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS PORTION OF THE SKY WAS NOT VISIBLE TO NEW MEXICO IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY OR FEBRUARY" its barely visible right now in may" YOU COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE "New Mexico" OBSERVING A COMET THAT WAS IN THE CONSTELLATION LEO "SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE" DURING DECEMBER. According to the Elenin ephemeris on the JPL database, and all other ephemeris's, Comet elenin was in the constellation Leo during December. BUT constellation Leo, and Comet Elenin,WERE NOT visible from New Mexico. I will make a video using stelarium, or ceslestia showing that during DECEMBER AND JANUARY COMET ELENIN WAS NOT VISIBLE FROM NEW MEXICO. Sites with legitimate information have been going down or being changed almost everyday since I began researching. Im not into conspiracy theories BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG.
Yes. Something is wrong. Something is wrong with your analysis, because Leo is perfectly visible from New Mexico after midnight local time in December and January, and February, and in fact Leo is still visible in New Mexico now.
Here is a screenshot from Stellarium, configured for Las Cruces, NM looking North-East at 01:00 local time on December 10th, 2010.
Perhaps you should do your research first, before you make a fool of yourself.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
BS, try viewing it from the land in new mexico, I tried all day yesterday, BS
AND as far as the virgo comment due that would be true it would have been in virgo but due to the earths wobble over many many years old ephemeris's are off slightly.
You know, I don't care. We can see Elenin and that's enough to me. If someone wants to explain you how constellations work, because you obviously don't understand this, it'd be good.
But I want you to know that as long as we see Elenin perfectly, I don't care about these details.
My screenshot is BS?
I suggest that you try it. In fact, I suggest that anybody interested can download stellarium and try it.
Looks like it was in the Leo/Virgo border area on the date of discovery, swept into Virgo for a while, and will remain there until Sepember, when it sweeps back across Leo, Cancer, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus, and then finally into Aires, before swinging back into Taurus.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Any time soon now he will find the button that can move the time in stellarium to 05:00 AM and be surprised that Virgo and Leo actually comes above the horizon when it is still dark. LOL
Steps to reproduce my screenshot:
1) Visit http://www.stellarium.org and download the appropriate version for your OS. Currently the Windows release is at 0.10.6.1
2) Install Stellarium.
3) Start Stellarium and press "F6" to bring up the location screen. Scroll down the locations until you find "Kingman, United States". This is the town closest to the location of the telescope that Leonid Elenin used.
4) Press "F5" to bring up the date and time window. Set the date and time to "2010/12/10 1:0:0".
5) Press "C" to turn on constellation lines, and "V" to turn on constellation names.
6) Click and drag the mouse horizontally until you see the big red "E" indicating East.
7) Find Leo just above the big red E.
8) laugh at DD805.
Edited to correct keystrokes - astrogeek
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
WARNING MAYAN CALENDER END DECEMBER 24 2011 NOT 2012!!! Must See This Video
ALRIGHT GUYS DEBUNK THIS ONE, this documentary was made 1978 only aired once before videos were under a more strict watch looks like they let this one slip through. MISINFORMATION IS THERE CAMPAIGN DON'T FORGET
HERE'S THE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOClpkKtZk8
HAVE FUN EXPLAINING WHY THEY'VE BEEN TELLING US THAT THE CALENDER ENDS IN 2012
HAVE FUN EXPLAINING WHY THEY'VE BEEN TELLING US THAT THE CALENDER ENDS IN 2012
Seen the good ol' Wikipedia page on the Long count calendar? See that table, half the way down, showing correlations between modern calendars and the long count? See how there are nearly 30 different ways to mesh the long count end date with modern calendars?
HAVE FUN EXPLAINING WHY WE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU RATHER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER 20-ODD END DATES
Also, paaaainfully off topic.
Also, paaaainfully off topic.
Not entirely. The video he links to claims the ancient Maya predicted Elenin.
Then I take that back, while noting I didn't hear Mr Nimoy et al mention any comet ('a cataclysmic Earthquake would terminate their civilization') - the video description on the other hand…
The video is based (at least in part) on the book Mexico Mystique by Frank Waters (1975). See my post below.
Mention of Comet Elenin has been thrown in by the YouTube user for no discernable reason.
So its pushed to 2011 now???
is the earth into some collision or is something going to happen drastically like natural disasters?
Can explain what will be happening?
Disasters like earthquakes or a collision?
i am confused.
The Mayan calendar, meaning the Meso-American Long-Count (which is actually just one of several calendars) does not end at all, padawan.
The Long-Count has nothing to say about 2011. Virtually all scholars of ancient Meso-American cultures agree that the current baktun ends on or around December 21, 2012. The "documentary" is simply wrong.
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/index.html
C/2010 X1 (Elenin) makes its closest approach to Earth in October, not December.
Planet X was not "covered up" in 1984. That myth has been debunked repeatedly.
MISINFORMATION IS THERE CAMPAIGN DON'T FORGET
"Their," you mean? Who are "they?"
HAVE FUN EXPLAINING WHY THEY'VE BEEN TELLING US THAT THE CALENDER ENDS IN 2012
Because that is most likely the correct date, and the calendar doesn't "end." In the grand scheme, it doesn't even matter. There's nothing magical about counting days.
Don't be a tool.
Your moms the tool, and I'm so sure that our scientists know more about the mayan calender than the mayans themselves. I'LL GO OFF A VIDEO MADE IN 1978 BEFORE WIKIPEDIA ANY DAY, NOW A DAYS EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, SEE, OR READ IS CONTROLLED TO SOME LEVEL.
So the last person I'm going to listen to its you!
I'LL GO OFF A VIDEO MADE IN 1978 BEFORE WIKIPEDIA ANY DAY
A video based on a fanciful book written by a speculative quack author (see below)?
I'll stick with Wikipedia, thanks.
That WIKIPEDIA OR ANY MAINSTREAM MEDIA would let you know?
If there is proof, yes. Or we shall know from any other media, as long as there should be proof, but there isn't. So it's false. There is no conspiracy to hide comets, planets etc. The mayan calendars are in Mexico or in any museum, so you can simply go to see these calendars and tell us what you saw.
Go there, ok? I'm willing to know "The Truth", stubborn.
Really. I wonder how you know more about the calendar than their creator.
Our fears are more numerous than our dangers, and we suffer more in our imagination than in reality.
Well it sure is funny that the mayans talk about an alignment off the planets taking place, yet there is no alignments on the date Dec 21,2012. But what a coincidence this year in Dec there is significant alignments, oh wait with venus just like the mayans said. The Hopi's said the arrival of a blue star would be the beginning of the end, Hmm Elenin was found december of last year lets look what has happened since then.
This video is just the first hundred days since the finding of Elenin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_shq3xCKI
Do you not see the increase in weather phenomenon, forget the earthquakes, forget elenin and all the 2012 crap, AND OPEN UP YOUR EYES, THIS IS REAL WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.
the mayans talk about an alignment off the planets taking place
Citation please.
But what a coincidence this year in Dec there is significant alignments, oh wait with venus just like the mayans said
Oh really? What alignment would that be? None here.
WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD IS NOT A COINCIDENCE
What's happening is unfounded hysteria by people like you. Meantime, the weather does what it's always done, sometimes benign, sometimes nasty.
Your moms the tool,
Grade level 4 comeback. Nice.
and I'm so sure that our scientists know more about the mayan calender than the mayans themselves.
Considering that the Maya by and large abhor the way doomsayers have portrayed their culture, I'd venture to say that the Maya and scientists who study ancient Mayan culture are probably in agreement. Once again, in case you missed it the first time:
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/index.html
I'LL GO OFF A VIDEO MADE IN 1978 BEFORE WIKIPEDIA ANY DAY,
You're certainly welcome to ignore indisputable facts, if you so choose. Can't see any benefit in doing so, but whatever.
NOW A DAYS EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, SEE, OR READ IS CONTROLLED TO SOME LEVEL.
Gotta love the mind of conspiracy theorist who has completely lost his grip on reality.
So the last person I'm going to listen to its you!
Your prerogative, and not my concern.
Do you really BELIEVE that if something big was going to happen. That WIKIPEDIA OR ANY MAINSTREAM MEDIA would let you know? Wow! keep on listening to the news if you believe they're telling you everything, lol
See above.
Well it sure is funny that the mayans talk about an alignment off the planets taking place, yet there is no alignments on the date Dec 21,2012.
Since the Maya made no predictions regarding conjunctions that coincide with the end of the current baktun, that really isn't surprising.
There is a very rough alignment between Mercury, Venus and the Sun on December 24, but not an exact one and not with Earth. Again, since the Maya didn't mention any alignment in regard to the ending baktun, and the current baktun does not end in December 2011, it's a pretty trivial point.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar
But what a coincidence this year in Dec there is significant alignments, oh wait with venus just like the mayans said.
They Maya didn't say any such thing.
The Hopi's said the arrival of a blue star would be the beginning of the end,
No, they didn't.
Hmm Elenin was found december of last year lets look what has happened since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_shq3xCKI
Aside from the nuclear threat in Japan (which you kinda just have to expect when a tsunami hits a power plant), none of those natural events deviate significantly from historical averages. Even if they did, there's no mechanism by which a comet can influence our weather, so you need a new hypothesis. I recommend you study the inverse square law as it pertains to gravity.
Do you not see the increase in weather phenomenon,
No. If you do, maybe you'd care to elaborate.
forget the earthquakes, forget elenin and all the 2012 crap,
I wish you nutbars would, frankly.
AND OPEN UP YOUR EYES, THIS IS REAL WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.
Despite what you apparently think, this is what has always happened around the world, and always will. Welcome to Earth, DD805.
Just out of curiousity, what exactly are you suggesting we might be in for in the near future? Correct me if I´m wrong, but you doesn't seem to believe in an absolute doomsday, rather a chain of disastreous events, right? What do you suggest that this increase in "weather phenomena" might result in? A zombieapocalypse? In that case, count me in;-)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
I second ur curiosity Richard, I read and read and it seems that dd805 believes in a chain of disasters to happen with the basis of alignments of planets and the comet. He doesn't tall abt any collision or anything but chain everything into a oncoming chain of natural disasters, is that right?
Actually no, I don't think that he is a typical doomsayer. If he were, then I would expect a swift and absolute end to our existence. Either way, I think that his and many others discussions in this thread (including myself) is going further and further OT. So, I apologize for my OT post, I was merely wondering if he by any chance was going to get to the point and tell us all what exactly he is getting at. All I can see is an imense trust in alignments as potential destroyers of worlds, and that's just plain silly.
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
LIST OF COINCIDENCES, 4 ALL NON BELIEVERS
1: Nasa buzzroom shuts down after Scientist posts elenin approach at .004
2: Leonid Elenin's name, leonid = meteor shower from constellation leo, ELE extinction level event,or destroyer
3: japanese scientist says its "under control" and next to jupiter, nasa says its somewhere completely different
4: Alignment dates with elenin linked to earthquakes
5: Orbit of elenin bigger than any other comet
6: wikipedia took there leonid elenin article off
7: 9nania predicts earthquake
8: piers corbyn rate of 86% being right using solar effects to predict weather
9: Original estimate of elenin's path wouldn't enter our scholar system
10: Natural disasters increasing dramatically
11:usgs taking earthquakes off the data chart to show a slower increase in siesmicity
12: google had program to not being up information on elenin till a specific date
13: threads and info on elenin literally disappeared before march earthquake
14: Hole 4 times the size of the earth in or magnetosphere, I'M sure that has no effect on the Earth
15:Seismologist warning that major earthquake on west coast is imminent
16:Underground bunker manufactures give doctors and other "IMPORTANT" people 50-100% discount on their bunkers. We are put on a year long waiting list before they can even start,lol
17:FEMA has been buying a huge surplus of emergency food foe last there years, so much that people have had to wait months to get their order.
18:Fema has been doing "massive earthquake drills" at San Ofre on the west coast, and in 19 counties along the new madrid
19: The Time Wave chart dates coincide with Elenin's future alignment, its closest point to earth and the day we pass through its tail, AND debris field (2 different things)
20: Shulman resonance "the earths frequency, or heart beat" had been increasing, once it hits 13…
21: Hole missing in google sky map "finally fixed" now that nothings there
22:Mainstream media had NO coverage of elenin
23:No alignment in dec 2012, In dec 2011
24:nasa said in video No guarantee comet will miss us
25:X level solar flare before earthquake in japan and MANY others
26:Sink holes increase 1000% in last few years
27: magnetic north off 3 degrees
28: Deep impact movie Comet Ele, comet elenin, discovered by leo in the movie, leonid, black president in almost all end of world movies
29: number of apocalypse movies produced, # of survival shows coming out
30: More ufo sightings than in last four years than ever before
31: Hopi prophecy arrival of a blue star signifying the beginning of the end "elenin?"
TOO MANY TOO LIST!!!! All COINCIDENCES I DON'T THINK SO!!!
Time to Wake Up
1. I have no idea what you're talking about (hereafter IHNIWYTA). In any case, NASA has been anything but silent about Elenin.
2. Leonid is a common name that existed even before the meteor shower was named. ELE isn't his name — it's Elenin. You can chat with him at SpaceObs.org, unless you think he's a gubmint plant posing as an astronomer (which I've actually heard some morons like you claim).
3. IHNIWYTA.
4. There are many earthquakes every single day, and Omerbashich is a crank.
5. Who told you that?
6. Apparently, no such article ever existed. Even if they did remove it, who cares?
7. Earthquakes can't be predicted, and IHNIWYTA.
8. The fact that Piers Corbyn refuses to submit his methodology for peer review or even disclose it should tell you something. He is not 86% correct. Rather, "Weather Action's forecasts have achieved an accuracy rate of 55 per cent. That rises to 80 per cent for 24 hours either side." If you try predicting some weather phenomenon in a region within a 72-hour period, providing you have existing climate models at your disposal, you could probably approach 80% as well. Further, Corbyn's claims about climate change run contrary to known science — but again, he refuses to have his methods peer reviewed, so all we have are supporters' waving hands and some predictions that are only marginally more accurate than chance.
9. Elenin was discovered on 12/10/2010. At that time, it was already in the Solar System.
10. Natural disasters are not increasing dramatically (or increasing at all, for that matter), and you continuing to repeat this canard doesn't make it true.
11. USGS only removes earthquakes when they are false positives. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, feel free to do so.
12. That statement is incoherent.
13. IHNIWYTA. A quick Internet search reveals multiple threads and articles from a variety of sources about Elenin, all dating to before March 2011.
14. That would be THEMIS, as discussed here.
15. You forgot to mention that he was wrong.
16. Source? No, I didn't think so….
17. Source? No, I didn't think so….
18. IHNIWYTA, but even if that is true, you're talking about the Federal Emergency Management Agency. That's, you know, what they do. Why is that surprising?
19. No, it doesn't. It doesn't coincide with anything. McKenna just moved his line around to arbitrary points as he saw fit, ignoring everything else that statistically could have qualified. Fellow mystics and wackos have taken up his mantle over the last decade.
20. Source? No, I didn't think so…. You're just pulling crap off a woo site and posting it here. Do you even know what a Schumann resonance is? Probably not, since you called it a "Schulman resonance."
21. Google Sky isn't a real-time view of the sky, padawan. The images that comprise the vista in that software are decades — yes, decades — old. You can look up any of the original plates at a variety of DSS online archives, and you can view the same area via another source like Sky-Map. You could have learned this yourself with even the slightest bit of effort.
22. Because it ain't a big deal.
23. There is no alignment on December 24, 2011, except the very rough "alignment" of Mercury and Venus that I mentioned previously (and you obviously ignored).
24. Source? No, I didn't think so….
25. It was an X1.5 two days beforehand. What about all the far more powerful X-class flares that have occurred nowhere near the time of any large quakes? I guess that doesn't even factor into your thinking, does it?
26. Source? No, I didn't think so….
27. The magnetic poles move constantly. Always have, always will. It would be very strange if they suddenly didn't.
28. The comet is not named "Ele" in the film. It is named Wolf-Biederman, and it is projected to be an "E.L.E." Leo != Leonid. Yeah, it's a movie — now you know where all the cranks got their ideas, and you're helping propagate hysteria and ignorance.
29. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptic_and_post-apocalyptic_fiction
30. More people with cell phones and cameras, more people on the Internet, more ignorant people making ridiculous claims about what they can't identify. Makes sense. But what do UFOs have to do with anything???
31. No, as explained to you above.
TOO MANY TOO LIST!!!! All COINCIDENCES I DON'T THINK SO!!!
All bullshit, as explained to you above. It's very curious how you haven't even attempted to respond to any counters you've received so far.
Time to Wake Up
Time for you to stop being a tool.
HERE ARE YOUR SOURCES, SINCE NONE OF YOU BELIEVE A WORD I SAY
#1 & 24-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j-70gOYVS0
#10-http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://standeyo.com/News_Files/UN_Images/nat.disasters.1900-2007.jpg&imgrefurl=http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Earth_Changes/080510.diz.bogus.story.html&usg=__j2kjzaxxiq9NIFxSkUbHkdaRKUU=&h=481&w=765&sz=90&hl=en&start=9&zoom=1&tbnid=fCW6t13sfebnmM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=142&ei=GeDfTeLDC4rliALAyKHPCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnatural%2Bdisaster%2Bchart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1126%26bih%3D639%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&biw=1126&bih=639
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Trends_in_natural_disasters.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trends_in_natural_disasters.jpg&usg=__jeuQ1e1Iku_8JJwHQQ3VwNhbcUU=&h=1023&w=1100&sz=276&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=GdSLje5gzwGyOM:&tbnh=157&tbnw=169&ei=GeDfTeLDC4rliALAyKHPCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnatural%2Bdisaster%2Bchart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1126%26bih%3D639%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=554&page=1&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0&tx=112&ty=93&biw=1126&bih=639
#16-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIrIZIPJIY
#17-http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/terror-threats-rising-as-fema-orders-1-billion-dehydrated-food#ixzz1FIMCWAhY
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Flaudyms.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F01%2F25%2Ffema-is-up-to-something-big-buying-massive-foodfuel-supplies%2F&rct=j&q=fema%20buying%20food&ei=7eDfTfDeCozTiALbpe2EAg&usg=AFQjCNGo3lE22cihda2KSgP6rQxKlVZi3Q&cad=rja
#20-http://www.2012.com.au/SchumannResonance.html
NOT LIKE IT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT THERE YOU GO!
So I see graphs reporting how the number of natural disasters REPORTED has increased. Then I see conspiracy theories related to FEMA buying food in the wake of rising terrorist threats. Then we have some woo about sinkholes and a revised trajectory of Elenin, which by the way any dipsh*t with a telescope and a basic understanding of astronomy can disprove. Of course people would rather take the word of conspiracy nuts on youtube than doing the leg work themselves and seeing what is actually up out in that sky. We have people here, namely obae who do that and post photo results of the viewing of Elenin. I have a feeling 99.9% of people who comment on that video don't know what the word "trajectory" means. As for the "SchumannResonance" I'll let somebody else handle that because I haven't looked into it much.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
YOU left out that doctors and other 'important" people get a 50-100% discount on their bunkers. LOL
Oh and the nasa video that says there's NO guarantee
Oh and FEMA is buying up a ton of food, not a theory like u suggest
Oh and nobody said why the buzzroom shut down the day after the nasa elenin video was made?
Oh so your admitting im RIGHT about the increase in natural disasters.
SCORE- DD-1 / YOU GUYS-100
Ones better than none
Dutchsinse? We've already had a few conversations about "dutchsinse." He's the new jcattera, apparently.
Regardless, that video is old. Want the coordinates and orbit of Comet Elenin? It's really easy to find.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb
Want to actually see it?
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-353652/new-comet-elenin-picture
And see obaeyens' shots in this very thread.
#10
Natural Disasters Reported
Trends in number of reported events
Since 1900!
Do you understand what that means?
Woo artist mutual reinforcement?
#17
Are you stupid or just desperate? Do you know what FEMA stands for? I told you in my previous post, if you read it, which I doubt.
Unsurprisingly, not a single source is cited in that article.
Now learn what a Schumann resonance really is, direct from the source (you'll have to translate):
http://www.springerlink.com/content/2060666144374342/
Also, the "photon belt" doesn't exist. Seriously, man, there's no such thing.
#24
I think you meant #26. What you need to provide is an actual scientific source that sinkholes have suddenly become more prevalent. I prophesy, dear brother, that you will be able to produce no such item.
You seem to be really confused about what a "source" is. It's a bit more involved than finding some other anonymous woo artists on the Internet who agree with you.
NOT LIKE IT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT THERE YOU GO!
You haven't responded to anything I said to you. You just vomited a pile of links in pretend rebuttal. Fail. And you will always fail, as long as you're a tool. Educate yourself and stop spreading hysterical nonsense.
Take away YouTube videos, crackpot websites and cited websites which don't actually back up your claims at all, what are we left with…?
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..a lot of empty space.
Schumann Resonance depends on the speed of light and the circumference of the Earth. Since I'm not aware that either of these quantities is changing, then neither is the frequency of Schumann Resonance, except for small variations due to ionospheric changes.
But of course you knew that.
YOU left out that doctors and other 'important" people get a 50-100% discount on their bunkers.
There's no reason to even believe that is a real telephone conversation, but you believe it anyway. Why?
Did you know that a lot of the companies selling "shelters" are part of the problem? Indeed, this website even has a page on Vivos.
Oh and the nasa video that says there's NO guarantee
It is guaranteed. You can look at the orbit (and the actual object) for yourself, courtesy of JPL (NASA).
Oh and FEMA is buying up a ton of food, not a theory like u suggest
See above.
Oh so your admitting im RIGHT about the increase in natural disasters.
You have a reading comprehension problem, it seems. Either that, or you just don't read.
SCORE- DD-1 / YOU GUYS-100
You still have a zero, actually.
I think it's time for you to find a new playground.
HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT!!!!
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/79/402/Magnetic_ion_emitting_gas_Giant_near_our_Sun_with_4_planet_sized_moons_pose_danger.html
What ya think? nothing to special i couldn't bring it up on the JPL database but oh well.
Deeeeeeebunked, old, completely inaccurate, you get the idea.
Are we still talking about Elenin by the way? No. Thought not.
HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT!!!!
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/79/402/Magnetic_ion_emitting_gas_Giant_near_our_Sun_with_4_planet_sized_moons_pose_danger.html
Fake. We discussed this a long time ago. It's on the board somewhere.
nothing to special i couldn't bring it up on the JPL database but oh well.
Well, keep trying, because all the information is there. And you can confirm it yourself at SLOOH if you're actually interested in reality, instead of this nonsense you keep regurgitating.
"Since NASA scientists have never heard of phonons they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova that is enlarging, not because it is drawing closer but because it is enlarging in an outwardly expanding explosion." - The article.
Do you think Before It's News is serious? This site makes me laugh. They don't have any science on their articles. Look for RELIABLE sites, like NASA or any observatory in any country. And you'll see who is right.
THE BIGGEST SOLAR DISTURBANCE EVER RECORDED
1859, everyones heard about it but how many of you checked the JPL data base to look for any alignments NONE OF YOU, well look I have correlated some planetary allignments with X level solar flares. Well take a look see alignment- EARTH-SUN-VENUS-MARS-SATURN w/ all planets on same side doesn't happen often, another coincidence.
June 11 1991- X12 solar flare
-alignment SATURN-EARTH-VENUS-MARS-JUPITER
June 11 1991-Pakistan 967 people die in sudden heat wave, one of the worst disasters to hit pakistan
June 12 1991- 200 years dominant Mt. Pinatuba blows
700 die
Do you have any idea of how many solar flares happen monthly? You should not be considered a lucky man, even if 60 earthquakes happen, 43 volcanoes erupt and 903 planes crash, on a solar flare day. Even if the flare is a X12.
June 15 2001 Solar storm hits
alignment- MARS-EARTH-MERCURY-SUN-JUPITER(possibly)
June 23 2001-same alignment, 8.4 earthquake off coast of Peru, Tsunami triggered after,thousands dead.
I CAN KEEP GOING BUT I DONT THINK IT MATTERS HERE!
I CAN KEEP GOING BUT I DONT THINK IT MATTERS HERE!
Solar flares are extremely common. With a sample size that large, you can "correlate" a flare of just about any level with whatever you want to, because sooner or later the flare and something else will happen around the same time.
For example, there was an X28 flare on November 4, 2003. No alignment.
There was an X20 flare on August 16, 1989. No alignment.
There was an X12.9 flare on December 15, 1982. No alignment.
There was an X17 flare on October 28, 2003. No alignment.
If there were such an obvious connection between solar events and planetary alignments, I'm quite confident that it would have been made definitively by professional astronomers and physicists long before cranks and charlatans starting talking about it on the Internet.
I can keep going, but I don't think it matters with you.
I'm piggybacking on JuJu's post, to say this to 'DD420'…
What JuJu has shown is that you are guilty of the fallacy of confirmation bias in your sample. It appears that you look for 'disasters' or perhaps 'large solar flares' and then report only the ones that correlate with 'alignments'.
If you want to show us that there is a correlation, you will need to produce a table that has all of your so-called 'alignments', not just the ones that correspond with an event that you can find. Then you'll need to produce a table showing all of the 'large solar flares' and indicate which ones correspond to 'alignments'.
If you can do that (and it's a big "if") then you may have shown that there is a correlation. Further research would be required before you can begin to say that there is cause-and-effect relationship.
In other words, your research is sloppy, and we're not going to do your homework for you.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
OMG!!! Well if every time we had an alignments there was a solar flare we'd all be in agreement wouldn't we. Lunar modulation of solar effects can cause EQ triggers and instability of the jet stream. Without lunar, or tidal influence generally you dont see any anomalies. But if you look for lunar influences you almost always find a rapid change in weather pattern directly after these X level flares. There are alot of factors to consider when predicting anything. NOT just a comet. NOT just a solar flare. NOT just a planetary alignmet. GET IT YET
OMG!!! Well if every time we had an alignments there was a solar flare we'd all be in agreement wouldn't we.
And the backpedaling begins.
Lunar modulation of solar effects can cause EQ triggers and instability of the jet stream.
No, it can't, except perhaps on the tiniest of scales. And I'm not even sure that this phrase — "lunar modulation of solar effects" — is even coherent.
Without lunar, or tidal influence generally you dont see any anomalies.
You can backpedal with such impressive velocity.
But if you look for lunar influences you almost always find a rapid change in weather pattern directly after these X level flares.
Prove it.
There are alot of factors to consider when predicting anything.
Ya think, cowboy? So what are you doing throwing out these silly claims that you can't even begin to support?
I'm sure with some effort we could find any number of natural events that correlate with any other type of natural event. I don't think you have even the most basic understanding of what you're trying to argue.
NOT just a comet.
Never a comet. Did you ever read this?
NOT just a solar flare.
In terms of demonstrable correlation, no, as shown to you above.
NOT just a planetary alignmet.
Never a "planetary alignment." Again, read this, and keep reading it until you understand.
GET IT YET
Do you?
@TheGreatJuju
4. can you list some? if you can, is your list longer than Dr. Omerbashich's?
oh, and is a real scientist .now go to your bed but don't wet it LOL
the only crank here is you (and you multiple-personality/profiles).
4. can you list some? if you can, is your list longer than Dr. Omerbashich's?
It's not my job to produce a longer list. It's Omerbashich's job to support his own claims, the first step being to try and disprove them. Has "Dr." Omerbashich published any experimental data with the expressed goal of disproving his own hypotheses?
oh, and is a real scientist .
If Omerbashich is a "real scientist," then he should understand what's wrong with his ideas.
now go to your bed but don't wet it LOL
the only crank here is you (and you multiple-personality/profiles).
Charming.
In 1975 Frank Waters, a romantic and speculative author, devoted a brief section to the subject in his book Mexico Mystique. He identified the 13-baktun interval as a “Mayan Great Cycle,” overestimated its duration as 5,200 years, and equated five such cycles with five legendary eras, each of which ends in the world’s destruction and rebirth. There is no genuine Maya tradition behind any of this.
Waters also miscalculated the date when the calendar would supposedly pull down the shades. “The end of the Great Cycle … will occur December 24, 2011 A.D.,” he announced, when the world “will be destroyed by catastrophic earthquakes.”
From: http://www.griffithobs.org/exhibits/special/2012_2.html
Sorry.
You'll have to do better than cite a solitary quack author with whom no-one else agrees.
Oh if only more people with believe you in this, then we would be over with all this 2012 bs sooner!
- “I fear one day I'll meet God, he'll sneeze and I won't know what to say.”
really hope your joking here, cause it sounds like your in agreement with the article above.
I am, dont worry ;)
I just cant wait for all this to be over, the sooner the better! Not the world ending, but all the conspiracy about 2012 ect.
- “I fear one day I'll meet God, he'll sneeze and I won't know what to say.”
BUT constellation Leo, and Comet Elenin,WERE NOT visible from New Mexico.
I don't care if it is visible or not in New Mexico.
I don't live in New Mexico, so it was visible for me all this time. Just look up at night from my garden.
And it was not in LEO during December but Virgo!
And I already snapped multiple images of Elenin the last few weeks and plan take some more this weekend.
And on a side note, virgo wasn't visible either.
Yeah right. Maybe you should recheck your stellar charts and move to 05h00 AM!
Hey obae Im getting confused about these constallations
Looks like someones messing with my head AGAIN!
Lolz
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
Practice what you want to and dont give up on you'r dreams my dream is to become a basketball player 'NBA'
Elenin moves, Earth moves so you have this apparent movement of Elenin relative to the Stars.
Currently Elenin is in the constellation Leo, but around December it was in the nearby constellation Virgo.
Now depending on the time in the year and location on this planet some constellations are visible and others are hidden for a particular location because they do not get over the horizon. Also some constellations are hidden because they happen to be at daylight when they are high up.
dd805 made the fundamental mistake that everyone lives at his place and that in December the sun is already up when the constellation is in the sky. But in December at 07h00 AM it is still pitch dark and you can clearly see the stars. Virgo and LEO is currently very visible and was also visible back then in December.
The constellation of Virgo rose above the horizon by 3:30 AM local time.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
I recorded an mp4 video off of stellarium showing exactly how to demonstrate that Leo and Virgo were visible from Kingman AZ on December 10th, 2010.
http://2012hoax.wdfiles.com/local--files/forum%3Athread/elenin_leo.mp4
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
OMG PLEASE READ THIS PEOPLE: THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT!!!
You are Mensur Omerbashich and I claim my $5.
It is wierd, I got someone on YouTube hawking his work to me as well. He's really making the rounds with the self-promotion, I guess. At any rate, non-peer reviewed papers are always suspect as they patently avoid those most qualified to critique them.
no he's not! how do I know? perhaps I am? oh wait, I know:
WE ARE ALL OMERBASHICH
or as the man says on his page (http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/) "I see people! (Why do they look like mushrooms?)" lol you gotta luv the guy
oh wait, here's another for your camp: YES WE CAN!!!
LOL
OMG PLEASE READ THIS PEOPLE: THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT!!!
"These people" as in you and McCanney?
Yes according to the new trajectory
New trajectory as of when? The original estimate had perihelion out near Mars, but that was revised within a week. So since mid December the orbit has not changed significantly. See this thread on the BAUT Forums for more info.
nasa has given it will poss at 34 million km,
So you agree with the orbital elements as calculated by NASA/JPL?
BUT DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR FOCUS AWAY,
Away from what? Elenin?
NO comet elenin probably won't hit earth,
Not "probably". It will not hit the Earth.
but tiers little known about the orbit of a comet that had not passed in 10,000 years
There's enough known about orbits in general, and the laws of orbital motions, for us to calculate that this comet is either a rogue (first pass) or extremely long period (on the order of millions of years) that may be converted to a slightly less long-period (on the order of tens of thousands of years) comet.
nasa admits this
Oh wow… they "admit" it…
on their youtube video: comet elenin is coming 2011.
Yes, because we all know that the best way to learn the details of something is to watch a YouTube video.
BUT THIS HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE REAL ISSUE,
BUT TELL US, WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE?
Increased seismic activity,
Bunk. Discussed here ad nauseum. See our earthquakes page. Feel free to show us with data where this 'increased seismic activity' has occurred. Real data only, please. Feel free to describe the mechanism by which this will occur.
volcanism,
Bunk again. Same answer as above. You realize that when you make claims it is up to you to support them, right?
and extreme weather
Somewhere in the world, a weather related record is falling today. It's the hottest/coldest/driest/wettest whatever in history today.
will continue to get worse due to elenin, solar effects, and lunar modulation.
Ah, Elenin, solar effects and lunar modulation?
What, pray tell, do you mean by 'lunar modulation'? What is the moon modulating?
What solar effects are you proposing? Have they occurred already? Are they occurring now?
What effect does Elenin have in this strange mixture?
Astronomical alignments along with elenin adding to the robustness, is causing increased solar and seismic activity.
Repeating a claim over and over doesn't make it true, but you've also added 'astronomical alignments' to the mix. What alignments are you talking about? What is the mechanism for the effect? Have you crunched the numbers for your proposed mechanism? Is it gravity? Tides? Electrical effects of some sort?
Solar effects and lunar modulation of those solar effects on the earth will give you extreme weather and earthquake triggers.
Please feel free to show your data where extreme weather or earthquakes are correlated with 'solar effects'. What 'solar effects' are you talking about? Because I can say with certainty that the sun was shining on the earth during the last major earthquake. I can also say with certainty that the sun drives our weather by pumping heat into our environment. But, these are known factors, and quite mundane. You appear to be citing 'extreme weather' and 'earthquakes' are somehow linked to your as-yet unnamed 'solar effects'. What solar effects? Flares? CMEs? What are you measuring?
To get these triggers you need a solar driver like an x level flare, along with a geomagnetic storm, during a lunar node crossing which we had directly before the japan earthquake an many others.
Oh for pete's sake! This is drivel! The moon orbits in about 28 days and crosses the nodes (the points where its orbit crosses the ecliptic) twice in that period. So, every two weeks there is a 'node crossing'. I just looked up the date that the moon crossed a node before the Japan earthquake. So, to show us that you know what you are talking about, what was the date, and was it the ascending or descending node?
What was the date of your 'x level flare'? Can you show us the data recording your 'geomagnetic storm'?
WHY ELENIN IS OF INTEREST IS due to the simple fact that comets can cause increased solar activity according to Prof James Mccanney,
McCanney is a first-rate crank, who thinks that comets are not 'dirty snowballs' but rather some kind of static-electric vacuum cleaners that sweep up stuff from the solar system, eventually turning into planets. See http://planet-x.150m.com/mccanney.html
they can and do produce solar flares amd cme bursts,
Data please! Where is your data?!?
which in turn with the right circumstances produce significant anomalies on earth, earthquakes, weather etc…
And what are those 'right circumstances'? Node crossings?
Here are all the links to geophysicists, astrophysicists, meteorologists, to many too list with physical evidence of what's going on NOT 9th GRADE SCIENCE LECTURES WITH NO METHOD BEHIND THEIR MADNESS.
I'm well beyond the 9th grade, thank you. Omerbashich thinks that comets cause earthquakes. McCanney thinks that comets turn into planets. Seymour thinks that astrology is good science.
Quite a list you've got going there.
PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE WITH THEIR SIMPLE EXPLANATIONS THEY SIMPLY DON'T CARE, ARE TO SCARED TO ADMIT, OR ARE PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PULL U AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, link for that too
Yeah, I'm just rolling in the dough. «sarcasm»
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
External Influences on the Earth:
First off I do not believe that its the end of the world or humanity, give me a break we've made it for thousands of years before and I'm sure we will pull through natural disasters like we always have. With that being said I do believe that are too many things going on now to not suggest that the earth is in a time of serious adjustment.
Ok to start off most people don't know that solar maximum was predicted for 2010/2011, its funny how nasa likes to change info reasonably fast:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10mar_stormwarning/
Given that fact lets consider that since nasa had found a hole 4 times the size of the earth in the magnetosphere we've had a huge increase in weather phenomenon, earthquakes, massive fish and bird die offs, etc…
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/
Charts on phenomenon:
http://www.fourwinds10.com/resources/uploads/image/47991.gif
Now lets think if comets were dirty snow balls why do they have electrical charge, why don't they dissipate over time, and why do comets interact with the sun. Their is tons of evidence showing that sun grazing comets do infact cause the sun to discharge cme's and huge solar flares:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226166-Planet-X-Comets-and-Earth-Changes-by-J-M-McCanney
These flares, and cme's are the Solar driver, but these events by themselves are not always enough, when these events happen on or near a lunar node crossing, along with tidal influences, during a long alignment, you get magnification of the resonance in the magma under the earth.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2036
http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/GeoActa.pdf?attredirects=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qi8oZ2vG0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ofr28H4t-A
Also do to these associated proton events you see anomalies in the magnetosphere"which is now weakened" which causes of the jet stream, thus extreme weather etc…
I believe elenin is a drop in the bucket I know, but I believe comet elenin will trigger a massive solar flare knocking out power grids, and taking out communication. But we cannot just denie these scientists findings, if they are correct we will be in a long alignment late september as the comet aligns with us ON THE ELLIPTIC inbetween us and the sun. While in a new moon phase, during super high tides, as comet honda passes elenin during the solar maximum.
MY QUESTION IS WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY TO EVER AGREE ON ANYTHING? They never have and probably never will, anyway I know I left out a few things but frankly I'm tired of of people thinking I'm trying to convince I DON'T CARE do your own research come to your OWN conclusions.
Knowledge is power
Money is powerful
Would you turn down free money?
DD805, you really need to take your medication before it gets any more worse.
Even a 4 year old kid with tons of imagination can create a more credible story.
WOW!!! KEEP'EM COMING:
The funny thing is you would like to believe that people like Dr Mesur, James Mccanney, Piers Corbyn, etc… Are all wrong, when in reality the only reason why were on a site like this is because in some way we do BELIEVE something is wrong. Why can't we come together and actually figure this out. You know extreme phenomenon is happening more than normal. Do you truly believe there is NOTHING to worry about. MAYBE ALL YOU REALLY TRUST THE GOVERNMENT OR THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL, BUT I DON'T. I listen to every ones opinion, so like I said KEEP'EM COMING, but do try to actually prove this info wrong please.
but do try to actually prove this info wrong please
We can respond to each and every letter in your posts, we've already done so to death across multiple other threads. But what good will it do? You're not here to listen to our opinions, you're here to copy/paste your weak theories wherever possible.
FOOD 4 THOUGHT-
"I never came upon any of my discoveries through the process of RATIONAL thinking"
"I never came upon any of my discoveries through the process of RATIONAL thinking"
So what, you just fell on your head a couple of times and thought this was all perfectly legitimate science?
Oh no, silly me, you're quoting (well, bordering on quote mining) Einstein in the hopes that we'll suddenly drop our arguments and revere him as some kind of God.
Face it DD805, you are in the wrong place here. You've got nothing of significance to offer, and until you do, we're simply not interested. I can't make that any clearer.
OH MY FRIEND I'M NOT IN THE WRONG PLACE. If anyone needs to wake up a little its you. I don't need to inform people who believe that something is going on, plus you guys actually have more credible arguments. Lol
I don't need to inform people who believe that something is going on
Probably not, because anyone who thinks that "something is going on" is probably as gullible and hysterical as you appear to be. Can't you people resort to any other argument rather than "wake up, open your eyes, somethings going on, blah blah blah". So your comet elenin posts were ripped to shreds now your wailing about strange weather. Getting desperate are we? On a side note, there's a nine year old kid on these forums at the moment and he has just created a thread saying your posts are scaring him. Feel good big guy?
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
In response to scaring the kid, IM SORRY, i do not say anything to scare people just to inform them of information most dont know about. So i am sorry, but if you read my comments i do NOT believe its the end of the world by any means, it just a time of a new beginning, the earth is adjusting like it always has, AND BEING PREPARED is all I suggest. Pack a couple bags throw them in the closet, AND MAKE A PLAN WITH YOUR FAMILY about where you might meet if say all communication is lost, most people cant grasp the concept of what would happen if there was a major disaster and no one could call 911.
MAKE A PLAN ITS THAT SIMPLE, LIVE YOUR LIFE HAPPY, AND WITHOUT REGRET. Some things we cannot control, like life.
just to inform them of information most dont know about.
We know a lot about your claims, enough to know it's crap and baseless.
MAKE A PLAN ITS THAT SIMPLE, LIVE YOUR LIFE HAPPY, AND WITHOUT REGRET. Some things we cannot control, like life.
I won't waste my time making a plan to save my family from whatever you are saying that will happen (baseless claims). I have more to do.
Ok to start off most people don't know that solar maximum was predicted for 2010/2011, its funny how nasa likes to change info reasonably fast
No, it's predicted for 2013. I don't care about your link to NASA, because the initial prediction said "2010/2011", but they made a more accurate prediction for 2013 recently. Wanna check? I don't think you care about the truth, however.
Given that fact lets consider that since nasa had found a hole 4 times the size of the earth in the magnetosphere we've had a huge increase in weather phenomenon, earthquakes, massive fish and bird die offs, etc…
And, this hole was closed. Surprise! And the massive fish and bird die offs were not related to this hole at all.
I believe elenin is a drop in the bucket I know, but I believe comet elenin will trigger a massive solar flare knocking out power grids, and taking out communication.
Whaaat? Do you know Elenin is not that big and if this was true, many comets would have caused the same effect. No solar flares triggered because of any comet. You have to explain us how a little thing in the space (comparing to the Sun) can trigger "massive solar flares".
Knowledge is power
Money is powerful
Would you turn down free money?
I'm so moved… :-|
Oh how wrong everything you just said is. You didn't miss a beat either.
Given that fact lets consider that since nasa had found a hole 4 times the size of the earth
The magnetosphere surrounds the Earth. Please reference where Nasa said this hole is 4 times the size of the Earth. Plus, the link you gave was about a transient event. Meaning, not permanent.
we've had a huge increase in weather phenomenon, earthquakes, massive fish and bird die offs, etc…
Fish and bird die offs happen all the time. Do you listen to everything the media sensationalizes? You never asked the question "How often does this happen"? If you would have, you would have found that the number of fish/bird die offs is not only extremely normal but also fairly common.
As for weather and earthquakes. Where I live, the weather has been much better this year than it has in the past several years. And you don't see any of the millions of geologists claiming the earthquakes are more frequent, do you? Nope, just people who make stuff up. Because the actual statistics show it all. Its funny though, Niburu doomsayers were saying that Earthquakes and weather were abnormal back in 2002 when 2003 was their date. What happened there?
Now lets think if comets were dirty snow balls why do they have electrical charge, why don't they dissipate over time, and why do comets interact with the sun. Their is tons of evidence showing that sun grazing comets do infact cause the sun to discharge cme's and huge solar flares:
Care to share some of the evidence? Comets frequently hit the sun without "discharging" anything. What kind of electrical charge are you talking about, and why would you listen to anybody that says such things without evidence?
These flares, and cme's are the Solar driver, but these events by themselves are not always enough, when these events happen on or near a lunar node crossing, along with tidal influences, during a long alignment, you get magnification of the resonance in the magma under the earth.
I would laugh at this, but I feel bad for you. I really do.
But we cannot just denie these scientists findings
You haven't mentioned any scientists findings. You only find what you want to find. You only see what you want to see.
Would you turn down free money?
Actually Astrogeek has turned down quite a bit of donations to the website. He doesn't want money, he just created this site to relieve those who have been fooled by people like yourself. You know, the delusional, or scam artist type who have nothing better to do than make things up.
As for myself, yes I would turn down money from you. I don't think you are in the right state of mind, so I would feel bad.
JAMESJJ I WOULD LOVE TO BASH ON YOU BUT THAT'S COOL. EVERY LINK I PUT UP IS A SCIENTIST, ALL OF WHICH HAVE ACTUAL CREDENTIALS.
WHO ARE YOU? Do you have any phd's in astrophysics, meteorology, geophysics,any?
I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER, LOL TRY CLICKING ON THE LINKS, and actually try to open up your febal brain and take some info in from people who are a little smarter than you.
dd805, how old are you?
You really sound like a teenage kid desperate for attention.
I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER, LOL TRY CLICKING ON THE LINKS, and actually try to open up your febal brain and take some info in from people who are a little smarter than you.
Oh, please, your links contain data almost older than the Internet (joking, of course)! And you rely on them? Does anyone here need to be a scientist or have a PhD in anything to have critical thinking, enough to know that everything you say doesn't have any evidence to support it?
I ask you if you are a scientist, because you obviously aren't.
JamesJJLM is not a scientist, I am not a scientist, you are not a scientist. But we are supposed to say the truth, aren't we?
Are you saying the truth? I don't think so.
Newsflash: A Ph.D doesn't make you credible. Your work makes you credible. Your evidence makes you credible. Refering to Omerbashich makes you a laughing stock. That's just the way life is.
I think the discussion is going far from Elenin's issue, but in any case, do you consider Dr. Piers Corbyn a charlatan?
Don't know much about him other than his stance as a 'global warming denier'.
Based on what I read about him on Wikipedia, I would say, "yes".
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Based on what little I've read it doesn't exactly look good, but I wouldn't know whether full blown charlatan is a deserving title or not.
Ha, wow. Alright well I clicked on all of your links. My points are still valid, and the statistics from usgs still hold merit against your conclusions. They don't just vanish because some crackpot with a phd is trying to make money from guillible people like yourself. Even the guys with phd's have zero evidence. Why? Because there is no evidence for made up claims.
Would you turn down free money?
Actually Astrogeek has turned down quite a bit of donations to the website
Thanks for mentioning that. I should also mention that in late 2009 I was offered $5k for the domain name. I suspect that the person making the offer wanted to purchase it so that they could sideline the site.
Now, seeing as how by the end of 2012 I will have spent about $500 on domain, hosting and storage fees, I guess I have 'turned down' a 10-fold return on my investment.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
My goodness, your strongest information to plead your case includes data that is more than 5 years out of date, and a research paper that involves little research and has not been peer-reviewed.
I simply can't be bothered to deal with this same old crap, all you've done is regurgitated nonsense and appear to be in a mindset to ignore anything to the contrary. What good is it to continue posting here DD805?
MY QUESTION IS WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY TO EVER AGREE ON ANYTHING?
Evidence. Irrefutable evidence. Of which you have shown none.
Ok to start off most people don't know that solar maximum was predicted for 2010/2011, its funny how nasa likes to change info reasonably fast:
It wasn't just NASA. It was NOAA. And yes, they change forecasts based on the data. Imagine that.
…nasa had found a hole 4 times the size of the earth in the magnetosphere…
Now lets think if comets were dirty snow balls why do they have electrical charge, why don't they dissipate over time, and why do comets interact with the sun.
These flares, and cme's are the Solar driver, but these events by themselves are not always enough, when these events happen on or near a lunar node crossing, along with tidal influences, during a long alignment, you get magnification of the resonance in the magma under the earth.
Also do to these associated proton events you see anomalies in the magnetosphere"which is now weakened" which causes of the jet stream, thus extreme weather etc…
I believe comet elenin will trigger a massive solar flare knocking out power grids, and taking out communication.
As noted by Elliott, every single one of these issues has been discussed elsewhere on this forum. You're just regurgitating nonsense you found on crank websites via Google. Sorry, but that isn't "research," at least not in any sense that is even remotely scientific.
PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE WITH THEIR SIMPLE EXPLANATIONS THEY SIMPLY DON'T CARE, ARE TO SCARED TO ADMIT, OR ARE PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PULL U AWAY FROM THE TRUTH
They are paid by the government! LOL
I don't have a government! We did not have a government for about one year!
That's ok, I'll give you half of what NASA pays me.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Even if there is not a direct hit on Earth, the gravitational pull might have terrible effects on Earth. AKA—-High tides being so high and strong as to come inland 150 miles, causing HUGE earthquakes, tsunami's that completely wipe - out island nations such as Japan, the state of Hawaii, completely gone. Of course all this talk is nothing but speculation.
the gravitational pull might have terrible effects on Earth
Oh really? From an object whose tide-raising force at its closest will be somewhat less than 0.000000000000001 times that of the Moon?
Perhaps you'd like to explain the physics behind that?
Of course all this talk is nothing but speculation.
It's not even speculation. It's just fiction.
Even if there is not a direct hit on Earth, the gravitational pull might have terrible effects on Earth.
How exactly?
Give us some numbers in what force we are dealing with?
How much force would act on a human compared to the Earth acting on the same human?
According to Don Yeomans of NASA, his car has a greater influence on the ocean's tides than Comet Elenin.
I just calculated the effect of Elenin would have at its closes point on Earth.
The attraction force on 1 kg mass on Earth would be distributed by this.
Earth pulling on this 1 kg mass = 9.82356 N
Moon pulling on that same 1 kg mass = 0.0000331888 N.
Elenin pulling on that same 1 kg mass at closes point =1.45106*10^-19 N = 0.000,000,000,000,000,000,045,106 N!
Then people are surprised that the world laughs at them when claiming that Elenin would do any harm.
In case someone wants to play to have a sense of how much Elenin has an effect on us by imagining a known distance or a known object mass (e.g. if Elenin would be a car how far would it need to be to have the same gravitational force as Elenin is at its closest distance to Earth?)
These is basically the formulas.
In this formula we know the ObjectDistance, so what would its mass be to have the same effect as Elenin??
(1)In this case we know the Object mass, so what distance should it be to have the same effect as Elenin?
(2)Assuming that $\text{Elenin}_{\text{MinDistance}$ = 34,000,000,000 m
And that the $\text{Elenin}_{\text{Mass}$ = $2.5132741228718 *10^{12}$
Then our 2 formulas simplifies to this:
Now it is your turn to fill in the $\text{Object}_{\text{Mass}$ in kg or $\text{Object}_{\text{Distance}$ in m to get the other one.
I give one example assuming a 1,000 kg car, the distance would become
(5)Yes a car at 678 km distance would have the same gravitational effect as Elenin at 34,000,000 km;
I give one example assuming a 80 kg human, the distance would become
(6)Yes a 80 kg human at 191.8 Km distance would have the same gravitational effect as Elenin at 34,000,000 km;
So next time someone claims that Elenin can cause Earth quakes ask him for numbers. You already know the numbers and maths. ;-)
The doomsday nuts seem to be getting in a flap about Comet Elenin and March 15th. This is the date when it is almost opposite the Sun in the sky. I can only think that one of them picked up on this date on a scientific website, but failed to understand (they nearly always do) what 'maximum elongation' meant.
On the 15th, the comet will be 195 million miles from us. It wouldn't even be a problem if it were 195 thousand miles away. The confused thinking of these people is a constant source of amazement (and amusement) to me.
They are also confusing this
Earth MOID = .0306402 AU = 4,583,710 km
This number means that this is the theoretical closest the comet could ever get to earth.
The obit is inclination with about 1.8 degrees which means that the shortens distance between the comet orbit and the Earth is minimum 4,583,710 km ever. It just can't get any closer than this.
But in reality the comet is a bit too ahead of Earth and the closest will be 0.233599286858347 AU = 35,000,000 km
Have you took into consideration that comets are made of ice, seeing as it will be coming very close to the sun for a comet the ice will explode on the surface in small areas (not totally all explode, just little areas). This in turn will move the objects trajectory closer to the earth.
Seems there is a LOT more maths to consider than just a standard physical trajectory.
The Earth moves through an estimated 100 or more tons of debris a day, bits of dust and rock, meteors and so on, only the largest pieces ever making it to the Earth. A bit of ice from a comet with an estimated size of 3 to 4 kilometers last I read just isn't going to need lengthy and detail calculations, especially when it's so far away in the first place, relatively speaking.
Have you took into consideration that comets are made of ice, seeing as it will be coming very close to the sun for a comet the ice will explode on the surface in small areas (not totally all explode, just little areas). This in turn will move the objects trajectory closer to the earth.
Seems there is a LOT more maths to consider than just a standard physical trajectory.
So where's your math?
Do you honestly think the folks at JPL don't consider perturbations by nearby planets and the Sun when calculating an Earth MOID and minimum distance? Don't be a tool.
the ice will explode on the surface in small areas (not totally all explode, just little areas). This in turn will move the objects trajectory closer to the earth.
Seems there is a LOT more maths to consider than just a standard physical trajectory.
So all those people who have been accurately predicting comet trajectories, from Edmond Halley onwards, have overlooked something? And you've just spotted it?
Congratulations!
Hi Autumn,
It looks like you have the answers about Comet Elenin, so I'll just say welcome to the site and thanks for passing on the information to those who are panicking.
Thank you for all of that! Her and her husband have been stocking up because she said that there will be earthquakes and tsunami's everywhere from it entering our atmosphere, and the collision is going to wipe people out. Thanks to this site, I'm now able to laugh when I hear these, but I know it's still so very real to some. I try and spread the word as much as I can :)
Good for you Autumn. I hope you realize that at that enormous distance, it will come nowhere near our atmosphere and it will have absolutely no effect on us. I understand about trying to reason with people who have their minds made up. I guess if they want to stock up, it won't hurt anything. They'll just have lots of stuff to use up after nothing happens.
Hold on to your pants.
I did a simulation and these are the results.
Closest distance Elenin to any point of Earth's orbit = about 4,000,000 km. Even if Earth would be there spot on, that is the closest it would ever get. Remember that the moon has 384,000 km on average!
But Earth is not there when Elenin crosses the orbit of Earth. It is behind and thus 34,000,000 km or so from Elenin.
I have here the top view of the closest approach.
[http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/161/elenintop.jpg]
Here I have a side-view that clearly shows it does not cross Earth's orbit but stays 4 million km above it.
[http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1968/elenindistance.jpg]
Closest distance Elenin to any point of Earth's orbit = about 4,000,000 km. Even if Earth would be there spot on, that is the closest it would ever get
Since it's not expected to return, isn't this academic anyway?
I assume you mean 34,000,000 km.
Oops, corrected :-)
Since it's not expected to return, isn't this academic anyway?
Yep, but I wanted to show that it is not crossing Earth's orbit at all. It is moving above it and would never have had any danger to Earth ever.
But when Elenin would splits on more parts like Shumaker-Levy,…what, which fragments bombarded Jupiter in 1995?!
But when Elenin would splits on more parts like Shumaker-Levy,…what, which fragments bombarded Jupiter in 1995?!
The splitting of Comet Shoemaker-Levy was caused by its passage within the Roche Limit of Jupiter. Comet Elenin's orbit doesn't take it near any planet, so there's no reason for it to split. Even if it did, its component parts would continue on pretty much the same trajectory and still come nowhere near Earth.
G'Day all,
Great website and so so needed. Thanks!
I get so many requests for images from our Online Telescopes from people misled by the disinformation posted on "woo woo" sites. Glad your here for me to pass them along to. We have actually linked to this site to our home page now. I hope that helps.
We have also had our remote telescope users image Elenin eith success and I will link them here. We have a "One Click" and very simple way to slew and image comets. This page shows an image taken by a remote telescope user with this method.
I look forward to Comet Elenin becoming brighter later this year.
http://www.global-rent-a-scope.com/
Cheers..Pete
http://www.astrosociety.org/elenin/ab2011-72.pdf
:) Have a good read.
Someone on youtube actually believes Comet Elenin is Nibiru.
Then again considering he believes the events of the 2012 movie will also happen I think it's safe to say he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Because there's not much central authority on all the 2012 BS, there are an ever growing number of hoaxes that end up being created, with all sorts of contradictory origins and photoshopped pictures.
Even the most "well thought out" of hoaxes like Nibiru seem to have it's cultists going off in different directions making claims about what it is exactly. Depending on who you are unfortunate enough to listen to, Nibiru can be either;
i) A peekaboo planet hiding behind the sun, that's as bright as the sun, and is the same size as the sun in the sky(can only be seen when a camera lense or window causes a sun glare or through the use of photoshop)
ii) A failed star that gives off no light source, so we can't see it coming(this is the second answer given when the first response is seen for what it really is…. horseshit)
iii) After Elenin was discovered, psychopaths decided that it was secretly the wandering alien base called Nibiru
iv) The supposed undiscovered planet at the arse end of our solar system called Tyche, which has yet to provide us with any visual proof. Tyche was renamed Nibiru shortly afterwards by the usual muppets.
As you can see, the jackals will attach "Nibiru" to anything and everything in the galaxy that is discovered from now and until well after 2012.
Quick question…. what organization do you work for or get your information? I just would like to read this as well…. so far on the entire elenin ordeal your posts are the only number and facts either way I have seen… thank you for these threads.
I am an amateur astronomer. I work in Information Systems in my 'day job'.
The facts regarding comet Elenin are readily available, and can be found in the footnotes/references on the elenin page.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Quick question…. what organization do you work for or get your information?
You don't have to work for an organisation, you can find the orbital elements of Elenin freely on different sites.
e.g.: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010+X1&orb=1
You can actually check it yourself on the Northern hemisphere since Elenin is visible. Ok today it is on the right from the Moon at magnitude 13.6 so you need a big telescope like a 10 inch or 12 inch and preferably a moonless night.
Thank you… so all the claims about dwarf stars and the extinction level event this would create have no basis? I realize the object would have a ridiculously small percentage of a chance to actually hit… it would require to be in the same exact orbital path at the exact same time…. s there anything other than this site to help ease my mind after reading and watching all the other sources? Seems its easier to find people who want this to be a catastrophic event than not….i just want facts to find dice my self.
Thank you… so all the claims about dwarf stars and the extinction level event this would create have no basis?
Well, it depends on what the claim is. There are in fact 'dwarf stars', but with one notable exception1 there are none that are anywhere near us. There is no 'dwarf star' that is going to hit the earth in the foreseeable future, and by that I mean "ever".
Comet Elenin is not a dwarf star. It is a comet, and a fairly small one (if I remember correctly the nucleus is estimated at 4km). Its current orbit would make it a rogue (one time event) but after this pass the orbit may be modified by the gravity of the sun to convert it to a long period (>10,000 year) comet. At its closest approach it will be about 4 million kilometers away. Its orbit swings it in near Mercury, but because of the inclination of its orbit, it never actually crosses Earth's path. There is zero chance it will hit us, and very nearly zero chance it will hit the earth before the sun turns into a red giant and burns the earth to a cinder in 5 or 6 billion years.
s there anything other than this site to help ease my mind after reading and watching all the other sources?
Look at the references on the elenin page. There you will find links to Leonid Elenin's website, where he discusses the comet in both Russian and English, as well as links to the NASA/JPL small objects database page for the comet.
Except for all of the hype, the biggest news about this comet is that it is the first 'Russian' discovered comet in quite a while.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
monkjr,
Are you saying that you have read all the sources listed in the bibliography on the Elenin page and you still want more sources?
Are you saying that you have read all the sources listed in the bibliography on the Elenin page and you still want more sources?
We cannot assume that every person is able to understand the source lists.
Not everyone is used to scientific publications.
I have created a clip showing the orbit of Elenin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBUlr0HTXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4maEe8Ikxbg
I also started basic physics here so you can calculate yourself with a simple calculator.. I tried to make it as simple as possible so you can understand why gravitational attraction is almost none-existing for Elenin to get caught by Earth.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-342944/elenin-orbital-physics
Science is far from my strong suit. Trying to rationalize any of this is hard… maybe why I am easily Led by theories… please forgive me if I seem feeble or slow to this topic and searching the sources… I thank you for your assistance in this.
Don't worry.
If you did know science then you would not have a hard time to see that the scare is so unrealistic.
No one can expect that everyone is good in science.
But I want to point out that reliable sources back up their claim and many different people will tell almost the same thing. Sometimes in different wording.
Pseudo-science will conflict each other since they make up their stories.
I have decided to use a bit more math to show why it is scientifically impossible. I am hoping that it motivates people to get interested in the math and science too.
Right now I am trying to capture images of Elenin but the Moon seems to be in the wrong position, it will blow out any images.
I know it is magnitude 13 now, and I don't know if there is a tail visible or just a small point. But it should move in a couple of hours.
You also have to realize that you can also image comets yourself even if you do not have a telescope from your computer through www.slooh.com. I reactivated my Slooh account but this one is an image I took in 2006 of Comet Schwassmann-Wachmann (73P)
http://www.slooh.com/viewsnap.php?img=704724&s=2114
Slooh does not compare to what you can see with your own eyes in the field with a 10 inch Telescope. But they have robotic observatories in Chilly and Australia too. If the weather is good you can take images if there are available slots.
Just one addition, back the in the beginning when Slooh started up the community was great, you had you had this radio show and and a chat and sometimes a guy would answer questions live that were asked in the chat while you are watching the images coming in. I really loved it, I as part of intelligent astronomers community sitting at my computer at home.
Anyone that has a history of observing with his own telescope knows that unlike Slooh, observation means very lonely in the cold dark night your hands freezing an unable to turn the focus.
But they cancelled this radio show and community fell apart when it was sold to some company. So I lost my interest in Slooh.
What I do not like is that all images that you take with the Slooh telescope is copyrighted by Slooh and is not mine.
But since I am planning to observe Elenin and 2005 YUV I reactivated my account and I hope that I will show the images I take :-)
trolls in the videos lol
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I just checked the location of Comet Schwassmann-Wachmann (73P) when I snapped the images back then in 2006.
http://www.slooh.com/viewsnap.php?img=704724&s=2114
The closest point was 0.07858 AU! Only 31 times the average moon distance.
Its relative speed to Earth was 7.85 in 12 May 2006. Basically much closer than Elenin would get.
This is what 73P saw when it looked at Earth.
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8593/p73closest.jpg
All of you might want to check the website WWW.WHATDOESITMEAN.COM because there seems to be some sort of intelligence guiding this thing and NASA is freaked out.
You mean the website which gives us such gems as:
Obama Ordered To Mysterious Area 51 Base As ‘Anomaly’ Grows
Obama Orders Israel Thrown To ‘Arab Wolves’ To Save Saudi Oil
Shock Report Says Obama Moved $85 Billion To Honduras
Russia Orders Missile Alert After Mysterious ‘Vortex’ Slams Into Germany
US Moves To Find, And Then Kill “Children Of God”
You need to be able to recognise paranoid conspiracy nonsense when you see it.
This is the old chestnut about Comet Elenin being controlled from the not-yet-shown-to-exist planet Tyche on the fringes of the solar system. I picture a guy holding a radio-control handset similar to the type used by model aircraft enthusiasts.
and NASA is freaked out
More likely rolling on the floor laughing.
I have a really stupid question here, but never the less one that pops up in my mind from time to time when speaking of Elenin; what would the implications of an impact be? I know the comets nucleus is supposed to be 3-4km in diameter, but what does that translate to when speaking of destructive capability? Global Extinction Event?
And yes, I am aware that this comets closest aproach to earth is like 0.2AU and thus doesn't pose a real threat. Just asking from a purely hypothetical point of view.
By the way, why do some nutcases claim that Elenin is behaving odd (yes, I am refering to the "guided by intelligence"-claim and such)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
The 'dinosaur killer" asteroid which was put forward as an explanation of the K-T extinction event was thought to be 10-15 km in diameter, thus probably more than 10 times as massive as Comet Elenin. So the comet wouldn't cause a global extinction event. Even so, you wouldn't want to be within about 1000 km of the impact point or near any shoreline of an ocean into which it plunged.
By the way, why do some nutcases claim that Elenin is behaving odd (yes, I am refering to the "guided by intelligence"-claim and such)
Who knows how the warped minds of these people work? They're probably miffed at being told that it isn't coming anywhere near us so they have to invent some story to 'make' it come nearer in order to perpetuate their ridiculous claims and continue to dupe the gullible.
Not a stupid question.
They had a run down of what might happen if a 2.4km comet hit earth in Astronomy (May 2011). Such an object would damage a widespread area (damage and loss of life is still quite an issue even at 480km from impact), but would not be considered a global effect.
The asteroid that caused the Tunguska explosion (1908) was, in the same article, estimated at 40m across. The explosion flattened trees for miles. The same article also matches bikenbeer's reference to the K-T extinction event being caused by a 10-15km object.
By the way, why do some nutcases claim that Elenin is behaving odd (yes, I am refering to the "guided by intelligence"-claim and such)
I am wondering what this claim is too. And how they propose that it would get guided here. Does it have rockets? How much fuel does it has? What is its limits?
As far as I see, the comet is behaving perfectly normal for a none-powered object.
Thank you both for the answers, much appreciated=) I have to admit though, I haven't been paying much attention to this comet at all. What is all the commotion about? To me it seems like a harmless, albeit cool event, especially for the astronomers out there and since it passes so far fram earth (relatively speaking) it must be considered more or less 100% safe. So why do all the doomsayers even bother to try to "pervert" this comet?
On another note, I seriously hope that this event doesn't turn out to be a new Halebopp-event (with a resurection of the Heavens Gate-crowd, or what's left of them). My biggest fear now is that sects are going to use this hyped up event in the same manner as Heavens Gate did 1997.
But, one more question before I let go off this thing: Does Elenin really pass that close to us if you compare to other comets? I guess the answer is yes, because that seems to be the reason as to why doomsayers cling on to this like ticks=)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
So why do all the doomsayers even bother to try to "pervert" this comet?
Because the big evel planet called Nibiru does not show up on the radar and in panic they grab onto anything they can find.
On another note, I seriously hope that this event doesn't turn out to be a new Halebopp-event
Why not? If the comet breaks up it will still follow the exact trajectory as one big object.
Does Elenin really pass that close to us if you compare to other comets?
No. Comet Schwassmann-Wachmann (73P) came 3 times closer around June 2006
This is what 73P saw when it looked at Earth.
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8593/p73closest.jpg
I think the reference to a Hale-Bopp event meant the Heaven's Gate cult.
I think the reference to a Hale-Bopp event meant the Heaven's Gate cult.
You are correct Alene, sorry that I were a bit vague in my last post. It's the Heavens Gate-part of the Hale-Bopp event that frightens me, I sure hope that cults aren't going to use this comet as an excuse for collective suicides (as they did with Hale-Bopp). Although, given some cults track-reckords I suspect that this event (or non-event) might be used in the same manners as then=(
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Does Elenin really pass that close to us if you compare to other comets? I guess the answer is yes, because that seems to be the reason as to why doomsayers cling on to this like ticks=)
Other comets have been bigger. Other comets have passed closer. It's just that this comet has happened by when the doomsday brigade are looking for anything to perpetuate their stupid claims. On the cosmic scale, it's a speck of dust and quite harmless. It probably won't even be particularly bright, so the nutjobs might not be able to find it in the night sky.
And not to ignore. It is awful hard for any object, comet or asteroid to hit Earth. There is a lot of empty space in between and gravitational forces are not that strong when you fly that fast.
I Dont see how a passing comet is any diffrent than an asteroid oh wait… Its rare yeh OMG A comets gonna pass us w00t ,
Omg 10 asteroids passed us today lol
LOL
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I Dont see how a passing comet is any diffrent than an asteroid oh wait… Its rare yeh OMG A comets gonna pass us w00t , Omg 10 asteroids passed us today lol LOL
Ah, nothing beats getting ridiculed by someone like you;-)
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Yeh asteroid pass us all the time comets are rare thats why people are hyped about them .
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
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Yeh asteroid pass us all the time comets are rare thats why people are hyped about them .
Yeah, unlike bible prophecies that are a constant threat to our existence… Or?
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