Sorry, I just want input. I've been researching 2012 for almost a year.. I've researched about nibiru, annunaki, enslavement by gods, devestation. I tried not to assume but I researched for so long that things added up. Now a lot of things add up that aren't true, I just figured why lie about this? My research has helped depressed me and to come across this site.. its interesting.
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Hi Austin;
Its easy to fall prey to the "Where there's smoke, there's fire" type of belief. We are social animals, after all, and we want to be accepted and believed.
Several years ago, I read a book by Carl Sagan titled Broca's Brain, and in one chapter he describes his interaction with Immanuel Velikovsky:
Velikovsky has called attention to a wide range of stories and legends, held by diverse peoples, separated by great distances, which stories show remarkable similarities and concordances. I am not expert in the cultures or languages of any of these peoples, but I find the concatenation of legends Velikovsky has accumulated stunning. It is true that some experts in these cultures are less impressed. I can remember vividly discussing Worlds in Collision with a distinguished professor of Semitics at a leading university. He said something like "The Assyriology, Egyptology, Biblical scholarship and all of that Talmudic and Midrashic pilpul is, of course, nonsense; but I was impressed by the astronomy." (Broca's Brain, ch. 7)
When we are confronted with information that is claimed to be accurate, that is being repeated by several different sources, and that we don't quite understand, it is easy (or even "normal") to accept it before checking the sources. I've found that with regard to this particular topic, you always have to check the sources.
Who are the 'experts' on the topic at hand? What do they say about it? Are you being asked to believe in massive conspiracies? Are you being asked to accept allegations that can't be supported for various reasons? Who are the critics of the ideas? What is the weight of the evidence? Who has the burden of proof, and have they supported their case? These are some of the warning flags.
If there is something specific you would like to ask about, feel free.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
thanks for this website and now i am more relieved. i am thankful for all the facts and evidences as well as the details you guys went put. and i am so glad that you update this site almost daily. thank you for calming my mind but especially calming my family. and thank you for not attacking the bible for i believe in God's words. and to add more to the bs that people had been saying the bibl says that no one knows when the world will end. and although this is not really a good evidence for most people, as a believer, it gives me more confidence to say that no one really does know and why people nowadays would lie about it and create such things that can scare a lot of people. i am only 16 years old and i admit that 2012 stuff really messed up my mind until i came across this site and talked to a lot of christians and catholics even atheists in my school. i also gave them this site. thank you so much guys for clearing things up. lately, videos of planet nibiru had been in the internet and what hit me again is the things that they said like "IT CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN SOUTH POLE" "OH I HAD BEEN SEEING IT IN CANADA!" "IS THAT A STAR OR A PLANET?" can you guys explain what these things are though? just to know what i would tell my lil siblings and cousins who are still scared to death? thank you guys so much. God bless you all.
"IT CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN SOUTH POLE" "OH I HAD BEEN SEEING IT IN CANADA!" "IS THAT A STAR OR A PLANET?"
No celestial object can be seen only from the South Pole. It's geometrically impossible.
can you guys explain what these things are though? just to know what i would tell my lil siblings and cousins who are still scared to death?
Usually, the culprits are Mars, Venus and Jupiter, and a lot of hoaxers use programs like Google Earth to hunt down unlabeled objects that they can pass off as their favorite imaginary planet. So many objects have been falsely labeled "Nibiru," the sheer number of contradictory claims about what Nibiru supposedly is and where it is supposedly located should be enough to show you that it isn't real.
Try reading this.
"IT CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN SOUTH POLE" "OH I HAD BEEN SEEING IT IN CANADA!" "IS THAT A STAR OR A PLANET?"
If it can only be seen at one place, then it is something not higher than 100 km and might be a big balloon ;-)
Here they talk about the horizon distance.
You can see the higher the object is the further it can be seen.
In other words when it can only be seen at the South pole then it is not very high from the ground.
To put some numbers.
Assuming you are on the ground then this formula is in effect:
Where
h = The object height
D = diameter of the Earth
d = distance to the horizon
Put in some numbers
h = 2 meters
D = 12742 km
You can see 5 km far from a 2 meter height.
Now the reverse would be this, if you are d distance away how heigh must the object be to see it only just above the horizon?
(3)The South pole is
d = 5,815 km form Melbourn.
D = 12742 km (earth's diameter)
Fill in the numbers and we get:
(4)2,653 km is the maximum height it could be to be just detectable from Melbourn when it is above the South pole.
But 2,653 km means low Earth orbit and that means that it has to move around the Earth because it cannot hover up there. And it also means that it is tiny having no influence whatsoever possible.
Hi Keana'okelani,
I'm glad you found our site and that it has been helpful for you. The others have already explained how ridiculous the claims "IT CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN SOUTH POLE" "OH I HAD BEEN SEEING IT IN CANADA!" "IS THAT A STAR OR A PLANET?" are. I just wanted to say hi and tell you that I'm glad you are helping your siblings and cousins with it.
These people know how to trick you into the 2012 illusion.
What they do is make you scared. because when you are scared then they can direct your attention to anything they want to.
Their are actively trying to keep on looking at the scary things and avoid you to look at the things that would blow up the illusion.
It is the same thing that illusionists do to trick the people to look at the things they want you to look at.
The illusion of the 2012 blows up the moment you say the words "Hold on a minute". These words mean that you start to think for yourself.
Another thing they do is eject a person that starts to ask too many questions in their group.
Because that one asking the questions is actually staring to make the other members also start asking questions and the 2012 illusion will burst.
ok thank you guys. coz my brother was watching this video on youtube about this people showing this little ball in the sky that is shorter than the sun. it is like orange-reddish kind of ball. sorry for my language i speak pidgin that'swhy :) yah i keep on telling him it maybe just another object or a planet but yah. and i told them that if a nibiru's size is like bigger than Jupiter, then we could've seen it already. and my brother says that it's coz it hides under the sun and take a picture of it in the morning and you'll see it. and he cried. then he look at this video again that was taken somewhere during the sunset and there was this little black ball infront of the sun. can you guys help me on this one? im so sorry guys for bothering you and for having so many questions. i just want to protect the kids here including all of my friends and everyone here in Hawaii as much as i can. i told them about the number stuff coincidences. you know the 11 stuff. but then i told them that the haiti earthquake happened on the 12th and the japan earthquake happened at the 12th when you look at japan time. you guys posts here really helped me too. the bible already is keeping me safe because God already said that no one knows and that's one more thing. back it up with all of the informations this site and all of you provided, then that's all great :) thank you guys so much. and this thing about rapture is really irritating me now.
You might find something on the YouTube page here, gives a quick look at second sun claims from a variety of angles.
and my brother says that it's coz it hides under the sun
A planet hiding under the Sun :-)
Maybe you should ask him how a planet can hide under the sun.
And give him an astronomy book :-)
ate totally what I did. Hahaha. Finally my siblings are relieved about it. Thank you guys for the infos and I hope you guys will be there if I need more help :)
The regulars here are always hereto help with any questions you may have. I for one am on here everyday, and regularly check in on the forums through out the day. So whenever you need anything, just come back and ask. Feel free to make a user name as well, and become a "regular". :-D
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
I try to check every post to make sure they are getting answered. Generally, you will get several answers. As long as they are getting the answers they need, I don't always say anything but, as Diesel said, some of are always here to help you. Just come on back whenever you like. We'll be here.
Thank you guys. Yah I visit here like everyday for so many hours and I am learning about a lot of stuff. I probably will take some classes dealing with astronomy when I go college :)
guys i have a question. how do i can become a regular here? i really want to help and learn a lot from you guys. it's just super interesting and i want to take act to stop this nonsense as much as i can already.
Hi, Keona, you can become a regular guest here and help us as Moo and Gary are doing. Or you can create an account. You decide. ;-)
well thank you guys again. And you too tomy2011. So how can I create an account?
Keona'okelani, to create an account, go up to the top of the page and look just above the search bar. You'll see a link that says "Create account." ;)
keona'okelani, 2 hints.
A wonderful program is Celestia: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
And Orbiter 2010 a : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/home.php
Especially Celestia is great. You can travel the universe and our planets and see wonderful views.
Here a youtube clip with Celestia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUlLvGsRywU






