Coming here for comfort

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Coming here for comfort

JustWorried (guest) 18 Mar 2011 14:45

I recently got married. I want so much to start a family with this wonderful man. I'd never heard of the 2012 stuff until I saw a special about it on the History Channel…and then another one about it with Nostradamus. Anyway, I feel guilty for wanting to have a child. I can't imagine it not getting to see it's first birthday…or the horrible things it would have to endure on that day. Please, don't think I'm crazy…and I saw in another thread similar to mine you recommended meds…I'm already on them. :) I see other people with their kids, and I want that…but what's the point? Out of curiosity, have any of the 2012 claims started to end? I've read through most of the pages on this site, and I would like to thank you guys for going to the trouble of making this page….I've spent countless hours on yahoo answers….I've read David Morrison's page…..it just seems nothing is helping. Are we CERTAIN that the Maya or web.bot or anything else is wrong? I saw somewhere that the Mayan calendar may be off by 50 to 100 years?? I'm just so worried…..thanks for reading this!

maryanne (guest) 18 Mar 2011 15:07

I can understand what you are going through. I got married in 2007 and I found out about this stupid thing in 2008. It really made me think if I wanted to have a kid. Yes, I wanted to, but I had thoughts in the back of my mind. We had our baby on Valentine's Day in 2010. It is hard, but what I noticed that more and more websites, scientist etc. has raised their voices and debunked this whole theory. First of all, the Maya did not predict any catastrophy for 2012. It really looks like a misinterpretation of their calendar. Then Nostredamus….I saw a documentary based on his "predictions" way back 1990. The year 2012 was not even mentioned, let alone anything close to it. Nothing, zero….so I did not understand how on earth they could put Nostredamus into this mix. As for the webbot, oh well…. it said that there would be a huge earthquake around Vancouver on December 12, 2008. The day came and went, and Vancouver is still a blooming city. In fact, it just earned the title of the "Happiest City on Earth". The only thing the webbot got it right was the recession, but in that aspect you did not have to be a futureteller to foresee it. The signs were there, and economist could easily project it. It was not a prediction, but more like a fact.

I am not a scientist, but my brother is, and he is laughing at this whole thing. There is no way he could be part of any agency etc. that covers up the whole thing. There is no cover up! I had a few conversation with him about it, and he always managed to explain me things and why this theory was pure nonsense. See, there was supposed to be a pole shift on March 15, and lo and behold the day came and went and the poles are just doing fine and did not go anywhere. Look, I am on meds, too. Not exactly for anxiety, but this anxiety gave me GERD and for 2 months now I have been on meds to cure it. I just hate these people who turned my life upside down in a very bad way. Often I wish there was a punishment for them!!!!

Gary (guest) 18 Mar 2011 17:34

Hi justworried. Regarding your question of whether or not the 2012 claims have started to end, well they haven't, and probably never will, even after 2012. That's how con artists work, they spread malicious rumours then act like they can make it all better, but of coarse, only if you pay them. As for specific claims, there is just no way nibiru exists. We would be able to see it, and the gravitational effects on other planets would be very noticable, there is no such effect. We are currently heading toward solar maximum, when the sun is at it's most active. We have had a couple of x-class flares recently which are the largest type the sun can produce, I bet you never even noticed it. This whole thing is just superstitious nonsense, to believe any of it you have to believe in a magic world were physics, math and astronomy don't exist. I understand that your obviously a typically anxious person, I share that affliction, not nice eh? Please don't allow this silly hoax to prevent you from achieving your goals and starting a family. There is absolutely no reason to believe anything at all out of the ordinary will happen in 2012. If you have other questions about what worries you specifically, just ask, the guys here are smart and know what they are talking about. Good luck, hope you feel better soon.

Re: Coming here for comfort

Alene Y 18 Mar 2011 20:40

Hi Just Worried,
There is nothing real to worry about. The Maya didn't predict anything, so we can hardly say they were right or wrong. The present day Maya say that the doomsday idea did not come from the Maya, but is purely a western idea.

The web bot just scans trends in what's being posted on the internet and makes its projections based on that. Because the net is being deluged with 2012 nonsense, that alone makes it say that something is expected to happen at that time. So you could say that the web bot has fallen victim to the woo merchants, along with all the frightened people.
The Mayan long count doesn't count years. It is just a progressive count of days, nothing more. When this cycle ends, it goes back to day 1 for a new cycle. It's the same thing as our calendar ending on December 31 and starting a new year on January 1. For the Maya, it was the occasion for a big party. As for being off by 50 to 100 years, that would be in the conversion of the long count number to the Gregorian calendar date.

The History Channel had a change in management a few years ago. They decided that they weren't attracting enough viewers by showing actual history, so they started showing idiotic fantasy programs. They traded in their former credibility for higher ratings, thus more money for advertising time. Many people still don't realize that they are no longer a credible information source. They have become the Hysteria Channel.

Nothing is happening because it's all drivel, without a shred of scientific basis. But if you take it seriously enough to worry about, there is no reason you can't wait until 2013 to have a baby.

Re: Coming here for comfort

obaeyens 18 Mar 2011 23:54

Are we CERTAIN that the Maya or web.bot or anything else is wrong?

Yep! Nothing that is claimed by the 2012 hoaxers can exist in reality.

I saw somewhere that the Mayan calendar may be off by 50 to 100 years??

It does not matter, I repeat: Nothing that is claimed by the 2012 hoaxers can exist in reality.

Could something bad happen? Yes.
has it any relationship with the 2012 claims? Answer: Nothing that is claimed by the 2012 hoaxers can exist in reality.

Re: Coming here for comfort

obaeyens 18 Mar 2011 23:55

What we do have evidence for is that the 2012 hoaxers are scamming people big time.

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Tomy2011 19 Mar 2011 01:01

Please, don't think I'm crazy…

We ain't.

Out of curiosity, have any of the 2012 claims started to end?

Unfortunately, the claims are still 'alive' and working "fine". I could call them "endless claims", because there is always another claim out of nowhere. I know, it's annoying, but it's the sad truth.

I've spent countless hours on yahoo answers…

It's not the best source of information but if you can find anything worthy there, that's good.

Are we CERTAIN that the Maya or web.bot or anything else is wrong?

The mayans never predicted a catastrophe for next year, if that's what you wanna know, and if they actually did, we shouldn't pay attention, because it'd be just a myth, an ancient belief. Remember this word next time you see anything mayan about the end of the world: mayanism. It's not supported by scholars and the mayans today.
Regarding Web.Bot, I don't see why a machine would predict the end of the world or why we should be worried about it. It cannot predict natural disasters and/or the end of the world.

I saw somewhere that the Mayan calendar may be off by 50 to 100 years??

That's a theory. You correctly used the word "may", because nobody knows for sure, I think.

me too (guest) 19 Mar 2011 07:38

I'm was a total skeptic, but after watching that doco, I'd thought I'd better come here for reassurance…;)

Alene Y 19 Mar 2011 17:37

Hi me too,
What the Hysteria Channel is showing are not documentaries. They consist of a bunch of doomsday nuts, not scientists, making wild speculation. There is no scientific basis for any of their nonsense.
The History Channel decided that showing factual programs wasn't drawing a wide enough audience. They changed to showing garbage in order to attract the less intellectual sector, thus raising their ratings so they can charge more for their advertising time. Don't give it a second thought.

Moo (guest) 19 Mar 2011 09:46

What is this History Channel you speak of? Don't you mean "Hysteria Channel"?

'nuff said. That channel is trash.

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Haustier 19 Mar 2011 18:05

Woaw i actually found something usefull on History Channels website! I guess they're comming to their senses, at least they bothered to explain!

The Maya who developed the Long Count calendar believed the end of one cycle would simply signal the beginning of another. According to this logic, a new Grand Cycle will start on December 22, 2012. However, some people in the U.S. and Europe have come to believe that the calendar will not reset itself. Instead, they say, the end of the cycle will bring the end of the world. Some of these doomsayers claim that there is a scientific explanation for their prediction: On December 21, they say, the winter solstice and the Milky Way's equator will align. (For their part, scientists point out that the coincidence of these two events will actually have no effect on the Earth—and furthermore, without 20th-century radio telescopes the Maya could not have known that the galactic equator even existed, much less where it would be in 2,000 years.) Other prognosticators have more outlandish theories. Some believe that the Maya were following extraterrestrial instructions when they developed their calendar, for instance, while others fear that aliens will use the Long Count calendar to time their takeover of our planet. Either way, this vision of the future is an unpleasant one, combining Biblical plagues like fires and floods with more cinematic catastrophes like planetary collisions, extreme global warming and mass extinction, and explosions large and small.

In other words: All the doomsday sayings come from modern time people, seeking attension (and money.), NOT the Mayan Calender!

Full explanation from them, about the calender here

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- “I fear one day I'll meet God, he'll sneeze and I won't know what to say.”

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Re: Coming here for comfort

Alene Y 19 Mar 2011 21:13

That's definitely a step in the right direction. Now if they would just say that on their incessant doomathons, they might be able to partially undo some of their damage. How many people actually go to the Hysteria Channel site and read anything? They may just be putting that on their site as a CYA measure to block lawsuits for any deaths that might happen because of their doomsday nonsense.

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Astrogeek 20 Mar 2011 05:44

I suspect that someone in "Legal" suggested that they might want to post a disclaimer.

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"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind

Re: Coming here for comfort

Alene Y 20 Mar 2011 21:40

Yes, that's what I figured. I just saw an answer on Y!A saying that they saw a program on the History Channel that said there was no evidence to support the claims of a 2012 doomsday. I was astounded. Maybe all the talk of legal action is actually having some effect.

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Tomy2011 20 Mar 2011 22:22

The page says:

Today, there are more than 6 million Maya in Mexico and Central America, and very few of them are expecting Armageddon in 2012. (In fact, scholars say that Mayan communities call the end-of-the-world stories “gringo inventions.”)

"Very few"? Why do these people believe in something that is a western belief and not in the maya? That's confusing.