I'm not sure if this has been discussed and debunked before (if it has I'm sorry) but I came across this recently. People have been saying it's not the more popular date of December 2012 but October 28 2011 instead that the calendar ends. A quick search on the date on Google should bring up several sites on this topic. Some even relate this to the false Camping so-called biblical date of October 21. Just wanted to hear some thoughts on this since i really don't need another date to add to my constant anxiety issues. Another thing i came across though its not so much related is some speech or whatever by some 'lady of emmitsburg' person - not sure if i spelled that correctly. About the appearance of two suns and whatnot. So basically i just hope to get some opinions, and thanks for hearing me out and always helping me with my issues.
We have a page here on the person who is the proponent of the day you mentioned. He however does not promote any kind of apocalyptic event, instead he is what we refer to as a "tranformationalist". For more information on his exact beliefs, read the page I just provided, you should find it not as scary as you'd think. Especially since he seems to speak out against people promoting something bad happening.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
i found somthing on it if it helps :D
Tomy2011 26 Mar 2011, 11:49 GMT
I made a table. Hope you like it. :-D
Year Category (% science) You…
2011 Nonsense (0,0^-15) … don't need to worry about because Harold Camping is just a loser.
2012 Crap (0,001% scientific) … can't believe anything.
2116 Medium crap (9% scientific) … don't need to worry about because it is too far from now and, well, we won't actually die, it's just a mayan belief.
Ps hope tomy does not get mad for me stealin dat
Ps hope tomy does not get mad for me stealin dat
Don't worry about that. That table was just a tool to ease fears. It has nothing to do with October 28th, but I could add this date:
| Date | Category | (% science) | What's this? |
| May 1st, 2011 | Outstanding crap | 0,000000…4% | Brought by Awesomeee, this new prophecy was made by a bishop in Rome. He claims that om the day of John Paul II's beatification, May 1st, 2011, tsunamis and other disasters will happen. This prediction is not supported by the religion and even less by the Holy Bible, which says that "no man knows the day and hour". |
| May 21st, 2011 | Nonsense | 0,00002% | Harold Camping appeared and virtually gained the attention of doomsayers. The famous "But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" is forgotten. And it's from the Bible. |
| October 28th, 2011 | Idiocy | 0,00001% | Carl Johan Calleman doesn't propose an apocalyptic event in 2012. But he claims that it will happen on October 28th, 2011. In 2012, he says, a transformation will have influence on human consciousness. According to the archaeologist Johan Normark, "Calleman’s whole hierarchical schema is based on Colonial period writers, not on Classic period beliefs". |
| 21st December 2012 | Crap | 0,003% | A harmless galactic/planetary alignment, a giant planet that we can't see, a pole shift that does happen, but very slowly, solar flares which always happened… all this crap, plus the consciousness shifts. Also, Christ will return in 2012 (yeah, even when we don't know when He will return, it will happen in 2012). Earthquakes, tsunamis and asteroids complete the list. And that's all predicted by the Maya civilization, hundreds of years ago and that other people supposedly predicted too. Got it? This one is big, and we have a whole giant-magical list of articles right here. |
| April 13th 2036 | Asteroid Impact | 100% | This one is clean and right astronomy. An asteroid is supposed to make a close approach in 2036, and if in 2029 he passes through a 'keyhole', it will impact Earth in 2036. Its name is Apophis. Astronomers say that chances of impact are slim. Just 1:250,000. |
| 2116 (no specific date yet) | New Mayan Cycle End | 0,009% | according to some sites, the current end-date is wrong, and the apocalypse will happen in 2116. Still, the Maya didn't say anything about the end-of-the-world. |
It's the best table.
Since may 1st if the batification im pissed off at the biscup because its an important day and the biscup did it for revenge because he got banned by JP2 In 1988 and unbanned in 2009 by benedict
I meant bishop.
But who cares its not from the bible lol/…
The more dates the more LOL :)
-Awesomeee
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
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I read that the mayan calender probably ended in 2010.
There's a few different opinions from scholars as to the actual end date of the long count. Remember, this isn't a calendar like ours, there are smaller cycles and counts, the long count just happens to be the longest. Some prefer the GMT + 2 which is said to end on the 23rd December 2012. There's also been talk of the correlation being off by 50 years, but it's not widely accepted by Mayan scholars. It doesn't really matter what day it is, it's a calendar, it keeps track of time, it doesn't predict the future. Ask any expert on the Maya, there is no evidence whatsoever that they saw they long count end date as a great change or whatever. There are correlated dates going to well over the year 4000. Even if the Maya did predict the end of the world on in 2012 (which they didn't) why would it matter? Nobody can predict the future, it's never ever been done, and it's physically impossible.
Is there any evidence of the world ending in 2012 or oct 28 2011 - No
so tell me did the maya predict the end using their calander - nope
Calanders dont predict the end and the maya never mentioned anythin about 2012 explained on this site.
If this was true we would die every year Jan 1 - dec31, but woos always have somethin afterall its because of the calander this all hoax got started.
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
Practice what you want to and dont give up on you'r dreams my dream is to become a basketball player 'NBA'
This is the evidence that Barbara Hand Clow has on her website:
I focus on the events in Japan because the destruction and nuclear crisis graphically showcases the arrogance and hubris of the National, Planetary, and Galactic Underworlds-the huge problems that must be radically transformed during 2011. The images the world saw were piles of containers and cars tossed around like Lego toys; great boats smashed like flimsy matchboxes; great buildings swaying like drunken tombstones; and everything swept away in a sea of mud filled with the debris of civilization and the bodies of its inhabitants. These stunning images have rendered people speechless. As we contemplate the awesome and massive destruction of a beautiful country, we are witnessing the destruction of the last three Underworlds-National, Planetary, and Galactic. The shocked expressions on frightened peoples' faces force us to register that Carl Calleman got it right: 2011 is not a Mayan fairytale. *As search-and- rescue efforts began, and utilities and food supplies were assessed, the more horrendous destruction became apparent: Japan, the very country that the US bombed with weapons of mass destruction at the end of WWII, is again facing mass destruction by the same unnatural force, through multiple nuclear meltdowns. What are we being asked to understand amidst the mind-boggling pain of these good people?
Further down her website:
Pluto teaches us that using nuclear technology for power is untenable because disposal problems have not been solved, and the square from Uranus will transform this technology. Another example of the dark side being cleansed is what's going on with the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious control of politics and economics during the 5,125-year National Underworld. The Middle East has been the theatre for this drama for so long that it is ripping itself to shreds. We are seeing the destructive duality of these beliefs being neutralized by the waves of Oneness; the people are joining together to disarm their dividers. There will be many invisible shifts and changes as well, as the master switches are reset by those intent on creating a new world.
Anyway you can read the rest at: http://www.handclow2012.com/astroflash.htm
As you can see, you can take a series of events, mix them up in a kaladoscope and come out with whatever you want them to be. All you need is a prism and a cherry picker. Of course you have to ignore the events that do not conform to your world view.
Uhm, could you reiterate your point in simpler terms? Sorry if I sound shallow but are you saying that people view things the way they want to? Seems like this author is propogating some 'Illuminati' thing or elite that control the world behind the scenes type theory…but then again I didn't bother to read through the whole chunk. So are you saying that people see what they want to see? I mean disasters and other such things occur every year, so…
Ugh, I'm already taking meds for anxiety issues.
My point is that if you want the end date to be Oct. 2011, you will find things that support that. However, if you don't, then things will seem normal and nothing to worry about. If you think about happy things, then you will see and find happy things everywhere.
Yes about the elite controlling behind the scenes thing.
Pluto teaches us that using nuclear technology for power is untenable because disposal problems have not been solved, and the square from Uranus will transform this technology.
Wait, what?
I mean even if you ignore the absolutely bizarre use of the planets there (What on Earth is the point in bringing them to the party, if you'll pardon the pun?), you're left with what appears to be little more than an opinion on Nuclear power, which, last I checked, is in pretty darn good standing and rather successful on the whole.
Actually that is what it is. Her opinion on whatever couched in New Age terms for others to take seriously. Now, if I said, I think nuclear power is bad for the earth. Who would listen to me? But if I said, Pluto in the seventh triangle with Max the Crystal Skill indicates that the earth cannot receive nuclear rods….. well now, I would be taken seriously by well certain people.
The Internet Archive Wayback Machine is always a useful resource. Let's look at what the same web page was saying 3 years ago:
At this point during Night Five-Nov. 19, 2007, to Nov. 13, 2008-we feel lost and abandoned in a sea of chaos. But, according to the Mayan Calendar as interpreted by Calleman, Day Six-Nov. 13, 2008, to Nov. 8, 2009-is coming soon, and it is a time when we will resonate with each other as a new species. Evolution is inexorable, and the new wave always has greater momentum than the collapsing old patterns. Right now, we've reached the maximal point where we feel the most isolated, crazy, and separated. We can't believe that the reeling colossus just goes on and on-such as the housing collapse, nuclear proliferation, the Iraq War, and a fool playacting as president of the US. Let's use this special New Moon to find ways to begin the natural linking up process with the millions of people out there who think the way we do and are holding out for the new path.
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080414232526/http://www.handclow2012.com/astroflash.htm
Funny, I don't feel like a new species, resonating with anyone.
Of course, it's just astrological claptrap, taking the news of the day and telling us how terrible everything is. Strictly not to be taken seriously.
I am going to make another perdiction.
I predict that around 28 October a lot of people are going to point to the stars and look amazed for what is coming!
Because that is the day that I will take out my big telescope and try to look at Elenin and it's beautiful tail!
Their calanders can end any freaking time , but we know they dident precict crap to heppan.
No man knows the day nor the hour when the world will end.
Become a debunker and help out those that are being fed up with lies spread by False scientists going after you'r money.
Practice what you want to and dont give up on you'r dreams my dream is to become a basketball player 'NBA'
You know iv been loking at the claims and i find them stupid . Yes, everything they r claiming is BS, but i am not saying nothing will happen.
2012 - the YEAR
-2001 - attacks in NYC
11. THIS NUMBER IS A SIGN!
But this is not the best. The BEST thing is:
9/11/01
+3/10/11
12/21/2012!!!
You say it is a numerology and cherry-picking but dude!!! The worst disaster on NYC history plus the worst disaster on Japan history = 12/21/2012. The end of a mayan cycle and a summer solstice. "uuuhhhh! It's juust a coincidence". Yeah, dummies… it's JUST a coincidence and numbers are just human-made… Yeeeh, right.
Please, review your science, 2012hoax. Debunk me and you will be right again.
Luck with that dummies………
But wait… Japan's quake was 3/11/11! :-O HOW AMAZING IS THAT?! We are such dummies.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
ALSO, another guest ON THIS SITE once said
"Sept 11th (NY) Jan 11th (Haiti) and March 11th (Japan)".
U have been saying that earthquake in Japan happened on March 10th, but actually, it was on March 11th. After midnight of March 10th is March 11th.
MISTAKE: That stupid guest posted March 11th. It's March 10th. Sorry. So forget the Japan earthquake, other calculations are right.
9/11/01
+3/10/11
12/21/2012.
Still the BEST """"COINCIDENCE"""" (so-called). The solstice will be at 11:12 AM, in 2012. 11 again. FORGET the 12. We have an eleven HERE. F*** numbers, right? NOO, they are warning us.
Haha, way to go sport. Perhaps you didn't see it but the Japan quake was on the 11th of March, which gives you this: 12/22/12. What happens then? Do you want a do-over? I bet you can find some dates that fit, albeit you probably have to look around a bit.
And on another note, if you seriously believe that numbers are talking to you then perhaps you should seek professional help. Just saying, it probably isn't all that healthy in the long run…
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
"Haha, way to go sport. Perhaps you didn't see it but the Japan quake was on the 11th of March, which gives you this: 12/22/12."
Even if it was on 11th i can be right as well. The mayan calendar can end on 12/22/12 too, and it can end on 12/24/12 or 12/23/12 as well. There is no right date.
Even if it was on 11th i can be right as well. The mayan calendar can end on 12/22/12 too, and it can end on 12/24/12 or 12/23/12 as well. There is no right date.
You are more and more wrong every time you post. If there are many dates, so your math is wrong. And it probably is, because many mayan scholars say that the mayan cycle ends on 12/23/12 or 12/24/12. If they are right, game over dummy. ;-)
Why do you find numerology significant? Why is the number 11 a sign? Why does the worst disaster in n.y history and the worst disaster in japans history (although Hiroshima and nagusaki must be up there) have to be the dates you put together? Typical numerology, two dates, cherry picked and twisted until they fit. If you call that science then I'm afraid there's only one dummy here, and it appears to be you.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Dude Gary i am not cherry-picking. If you add up these two dates, you get the winter solstice in 2012. It's also the end of the mayan cycle and If you add up other dates the result will be probably meaningless.
EX»
4/18/06 (06 = 1906) - SF earthquake
+6/6/45 (45 = 1945) - Hiroshima Bombing
10/24/51 (51 = 1951) - In this date, Wiki says that "U.S. President Harry Truman declares an official end to war with Germany." If you say this was important or even more important than the end of the mayan calendar you are being dummy.
Ok, and remember that in 1951, there were lots of wars and nowadays the world is relatively calm. So any similarity between dates and wars are NOT coincidence.
The winter solstice and the end of the Mayan calendar occurs on the 21th December of 2012. Your numbers add upp to the 22nd. You can't even get it to fit using numerology. That is, by all standards, pretty bad=P
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
Dude the truth, I'd say the end of world war 2 is much more important to me than the end of the Mayan calander, as it affected my life. I'm British, so if we lost I'd probably be called Gunther or something. The Mayan calander? What effect will that have on me or mine? Seriously, like rickard said, if you believe numbers give you messages, maybe it's time to check in for phsycological examination. Oh by the way, the straws are above you, keep on grasping at them.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Wasn't Hiroshima bombed in August? You need an 8 in there somewhere mathsman, especially if you're striving for accuracy with regards to our dates.
You are correct about the earthquake in Japan, it was indeed March 10th. But other than that, it's still cherry-picking. Why would 9/11 be more significant than any other disaster date? Or why the disaster in Japan for that matter? Why isn't the tsunami in Thailand significant, or for that matter, why isn't the quake in Haiti? If you add the quake in Haiti and the tsunami you end up with what…? 12/26/2004 + 01/11/10, uh yeah well that didn't work out well, so I guess I answered my own question. Numerology at it's finest.
But answer me this, if 2012 is the end of the world, why limit ourself to just events in the new millenia? Wouldn't past events be just as significant? I mean, it is the end of the world after all, which have been here for quite a while…
Facts are stubborn things.
- Ronald Reagan
The worst disaster on NYC history
What makes NYC special? Oh yeah, because it fuels the nonsense you're peddling.
If you want worst disasters in history, go add the dates of the likes of the 1900 Galveston hurricane, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, the 2008 Sichuan 'quake, the 1985 Amero tragedy, the Huang He's Great Flood of 1931… I could keep this going for a while, all of them having a larger death toll than the September 11th attacks, and some of them probably offering better maths for your shoddy numerological conspiracy theories.
We'll review our science when you show us what's scientific about the nonsense you've just written.
"What makes NYC special?"
Oh, nothing, Elliott. It's JUST the center of the world. The major city of US, the financial center of the world and the most important city of the continent. Noooo, it is NOTHING.
Wouldn't something like Mecca be the center of the world? I don't see a few billion Christians bending over to pray to Times Square, do you?
Of course by your (flawed) logic, Japan would also have to have some significance on a global scale? What could that be? Giga pudding perhaps?
Whether you meant to or not you just contradicted yourself. Regardless, the date provided in your first post are still wrong, and the date for the Haiti quake is wrong in your 2nd post. Even if they were right, you like so many numerology proponents forget that the man made dates are written as xx-xx-xxxx so even if the dates you originally pointed out were right it would be 9/11/2001 + 3/10/2011 which would be 12/21/4012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake - Haiti quake was on the 12th
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami - Japan quake was on the 11th
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
You have been provided multiple places including the the geological service saying that it was infact the 11th, can you provide any credible places saying otherwise? I'll bet you can't, that is why you just keep with the, "No you are wrong, and I am right".
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
Seems like "the truth" can't handle the truth. How ironic.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Most doomsayers use nicknames with the word "truth" or "secret" and "revealed" (both or all of them too). These nicknames are used to convince people that they are right. Not just doomsayers use these nicknames. Other trolls love these ones as well.
Replying to the post above about the bombings the numers are as follows from what I found, "140,000 people died in Hiroshima & 80,000 in Nagasaki. The radiation later caused the deaths of thousands more. Its estimated that over 300,000 Japanese died from the bombings until today". The quake numbers that I have seen go up to like 18,000. So I guess it depends if you are talking about money or fatalaties.
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
You would need to ask mr numerology there, personnaly I'd say human loss would constitute a bigger disaster, but obviously somebody trying to peddle bullshit will disagree.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
I will post the same thing here:
"i am not cherry-picking. If you add up these two dates, you get the winter solstice in 2012. It's also the end of the mayan cycle and If you add up other dates the result will be probably meaningless.
EX»
4/18/06 (06 = 1906) - SF earthquake
+6/6/45 (45 = 1945) - Hiroshima Bombing
10/24/51 (51 = 1951) - In this date, Wiki says that "U.S. President Harry Truman declares an official end to war with Germany." If you say this was important or even more important than the end of the mayan calendar you are being dummy.
Ok, and remember that in 1951, there were lots of wars and nowadays the world is relatively calm. So any similarity between dates and wars are NOT coincidence."
I will post the same thing here:
Why post the same incorrect claim twice?
4/18/06 (06 = 1906) - SF earthquake
+6/6/45 (45 = 1945) - Hiroshima Bombing
10/24/51 (51 = 1951) - In this date, Wiki says that "U.S. President Harry Truman declares an official end to war with Germany.
Errr, no. The Hiroshima bombing was on 8/6/45.
4/18/06 (06 = 1906) - SF earthquake
+8/6/45 (45 = 1945) - Hiroshima Bombing
12/24/51 (51 = 1951) What do we have for this date? Ah, yes. "Libya becomes independent from Italy.
Gian-Carlo Menotti's 45-minute opera, Amahl and the Night Visitors, premieres live on NBC, becoming the first opera written especially for television."
Obviously the most important date in the history of the world.






