Boeing whistleblower?

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A disturbing document I came across.

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Boeing whistleblower?

James (guest) 24 Apr 2011 13:08

There is a document I found which claims to be written by a NASA contractor, and seems to be talking about the interstellar cloud or magnetic ribbon we are apparently entering. I've read that scientists say that the magnetic ribbon could cause problems in about a hundred years or so, but whoever wrote this seems to think that the problem is more immediate. I know the website I found it on looks a bit dodgy, but it links to a pdf file of the whole document, and I can't tell where it's come from. Could someone please have a look at it, or tell me more about it or any other similar documents that have surfaced?

http://snardfarker.ning.com/forum/topics/local-fluff-a-death-cloud-in?xg_source=activity

Re: Boeing whistleblower?

obaeyens 24 Apr 2011 13:47

Highly magnetized: LOL
5 micro Gaus, yes note the micro!

Earth's field is 0.3 to 0.6 Gaus! That is 300,000 micro Gaus!!!

Also the solar wind blows it away especially when we are getting near solar max.
So even if Earth's magnetic field would collapse it would not be able to come near Earth at all.
And even if it could come to Earth because of a collapsed magnetic field, the radiation would be blocked by the atmosphere.

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James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 16:00

I'm not disputing the NASA report it references, although, now you mention it, that is a bit of an odd mistake. Maybe they meant 4 to 5 more micro Gaus than they thought? That's still pretty small though. Anyway, what I was worried about was the alleged document by a Boeing whistleblower it talks about lower down.

Moo (guest) 24 Apr 2011 13:21

It's fake. ATS tore this crap apart a good while back. There's a thread somewhere there that goes into detail of how they ripped it apart and then some.

Entirely, one-hundred percent fake.

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 15:31

Sorry, what do you mean 'by 'tore it apart'? Do you mean they debunked it?

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 15:22

Although a link would be appreciated, don't worry, I'll take your word for it. Thanks :)

TheGreatJuju 25 Apr 2011 15:38

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/magnetic/magearth.html

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James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 16:36

http://www.4everseeds.com/ss/warning.pdf

Could someone read this file and debunk it for me please?
"The Interstellar cloud we are entering (as a solar system) changes a simple model CME discharge event into a more continuous process. The CME will act as a trigger or switch. The Intertellar (magnetic cloud) can support a continuous ion flow between "connected" bodies, this phenomena would be orders of magnitude beyond a simple CME discharge. The magnetic flow (cloud) will make the 'ether' much more conductive, so energy will be flowing like crazy, instead of just merely on the normal currents it flows through now. So it makes the EMP effect, not only massive, but pretty much all consuming. And, due to the solar system being submerged in this magnetic could, it will make the EMPs somewhat continuous. It will be a sustained process as opposed to a CME event."

Also, towards the end, it talks about our DNA being magnetic, and therefore changing us as well? I know it's long, but please have a skim through and tell me what you think. The whistleblower appears to have posted on a forum of some sort, but the members have confirmed what he's been saying? Please, this is really scaring me. I know it looks like it's from a woo site, but I can't find anything wrong with the science they've used to back it up.

obaeyens 25 Apr 2011 16:47

Also, towards the end, it talks about our DNA being magnetic

Why would you believe a document that talks about DNA being magnetic?
Do you suddenly mutate when you touch your refrigerator magnet?

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 17:24

Okay, there are a couple of posts that are a bit mad, and a couple of things have been debunked on this website. But some of the posts I can't seem to argue with. Others I just don't understand.

"The Interstellar cloud we are entering (as a solar system) changes a simple model CME discharge event into a more continuous process.
The CME will act as a trigger or switch.
The Intertellar (magnetic cloud) can support a continuous ion flow between "connected" bodies, this phenomena would be orders of magnitude beyond a simple CME discharge.
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The magnetic flow (cloud) will make the 'ether' much more conductive, so energy will be flowing like crazy, instead of just merely on the normal currents it flows through now. So it makes the EMP effect, not only massive, but pretty much all consuming. And, due to the solar system being submerged in this magnetic could, it will make the EMPs somewhat continuous.

There are some astrophysicists on this forum, aren't there? Could they have a look and debunk this because I don't know what to make of it.

3WMElliott 25 Apr 2011 17:33

The CME? If this incredibly quick glance at wikipedia is anything to go by, CME's are pretty regular occurrences, around 1 every 5 days near solar minima and around 3 per day near solar maxima. So which one is 'the trigger'?

Heck, check out this video from the middle of the month - was one of these the trigger?

Re: Boeing whistleblower?

DieselHorseLAW 25 Apr 2011 19:22

Hmm is this guest JamesJJlm?

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Re: Boeing whistleblower?

Tomy2011 25 Apr 2011 19:29

I thought he was, but I don't want to suspect of anyone. Also, why would him ask as a guest?

Re: Boeing whistleblower?

JamesJJlm 25 Apr 2011 21:25

No

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 19:31

Who's that? I assure you, I'm not.

Tomy2011 25 Apr 2011 19:33

He is an user of this site. But no… I don't think you're him at all.

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James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 19:51

Please, if you can't debunk this, please find someone who knows about astrophysics or something, because this is really scaring me.

Astrogeek 25 Apr 2011 20:14

We really don't have to, because the claims are nonsensical. I've added some footnotes below.

"The Interstellar cloud we are entering¹ (as a solar system) changes a simple model CME discharge event into a more continuous process². The CME will act as a trigger or switch³. The Intertellar (magnetic cloud)⁴ can support a continuous ion flow between "connected" bodies⁵, this phenomena would be orders of magnitude beyond a simple CME discharge⁶. The magnetic flow (cloud) will make the 'ether'⁷ much more conductive⁸, so energy will be flowing like crazy,⁹ instead of just merely on the normal currents it flows through now¹⁰. So it makes the EMP effect¹¹, not only massive, but pretty much all consuming¹². And, due to the solar system being submerged¹³ in this magnetic could, it will make the EMPs somewhat continuous¹⁴. It will be a sustained process as opposed to a CME event."

Footnotes

1. While there is evidence that we are currently moving through an interstellar dust cloud, there is no evidence that we are are entering a new one. The author has failed to support this claim.

2. No support is given for this claim.

3. No support is given for this claim.

4. No support is given for the claim that the interstellar dust cloud is 'magnetic'

5. No support is given for this claim. Are you starting to see a pattern?

6. No support is given for this claim.

7. 'ether'? Are they kidding?

8. No support is given for this claim.

9. Do I need to keep saying it? No support is given for this claim.

10. No support is given for this claim.

11. The what? EMP is a phenomenon of nuclear explosions, not CMEs. No support is given for this claim.

12. Melodramatic, much? (sigh) No support is given for this claim.

13. "Submerged?" No support is given for this claim.

14. No support is given for this claim.

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James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 20:30

"The way I am imagining the process is like this. A normal CME is a discharge of plasma… it travels through space and encounters the protective shield (magnetosphere) of earth and mostly deflects around the earth.
When the interstellar cloud is introduced a magnetic particle "atmosphere" replaces "thinner" space between the bodies within the cloud.
It is conceivable that the cloud provides a tracking path for the exchange of charged ion particles (plasma) originating from the sun. The CME would act like a switch turning on a flow of ionized particles.
Instead of just a discharge event, the exchange would become a continuous stream using the magnetized cloud as a conductive pathway, if this has merit then a continuous solar stream would be a lot different than a CME discharge.
It would be a sustained plasma exchange.
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The plasma universe consists of swirling streams of electrons and ions flowing in filaments. Where pairs of these spaghettilike structures interact, the particle gain kinetic energy and at narrow 'pinch' regions produce the entire range of galaxy types as well as the full spectrum of cosmic electromagnetic radiation. Thus galaxies must lie 'like pearl beads on a necklace' along filaments, much as they are observed to do on a large scale. The bulk of the filaments are invisible from a distance, much like the Birkeland currents that circle the Earth but are invisible from its surface.
In space, these currents are called Birkeland Currents, in honor of the 19th century physicist who suggested their existence. In the laboratory, they are called Bennett-pinches, Z-pinches, or 'Zed' pinches. In 1934 W. H. Bennett discovered that streams of electrons flowing in the axial or Z-direction, self pinch from the magnetic field they generate around themselves
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The effect I have described, (Sustained Ion Transfer)… would be along the lines described by Z-pinches.
Ribbons or streams of charged ion particles being exchanged by the sun to the earth. They may not be continuous literally but would fade in and out as the environment for them fluctuates, like N. Lights do.
So, rather than a spark jumping between two terminals (single event), it would be more like an intermittent exchange. The effect would place high tension electro-magnetic currents into conductive materials on the receiving end."

Gary A 25 Apr 2011 20:40

What part of "these claims are nonsensical" are you not getting?

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Astrogeek 25 Apr 2011 20:47

I see now… this is one of the 'electric universe' guys.

That's a thoroughly discredited pseudo-scientific idea. Their premise is that gravity is not the primary force acting between bodies, but rather that electrical charges are. Nevermind they have produced zero evidence to support their claims.

The problems that I see with this claim are as follows:

1) We are already in the dust cloud he's talking about.
2) The ISM does not penetrate into the inner solar system, but rather it is blown back by the solar wind to a distance of 75 to 90 AUs. In contrast, Pluto averages around 30 AUs from the sun. It took Voyager 2 over 15 years to reach the inner side of the heliopause¹, and it will take it quite a bit more to reach the outer layer²

Footnotes

1. The 'terminal shock' is the inside of the heliopause, which is in turn the region where the solar bubble and the ISM interact.

2. The 'bow shock' of the heliopause.

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obaeyens 25 Apr 2011 20:56

That's a thoroughly discredited pseudo-scientific idea. Their premise is that gravity is not the primary force acting between bodies, but rather that electrical charges are

I did a tiny calculation for a wopping 500,000 Coulomb charge in Earth and the Sun.
I came out with a 0.1N attraction force Yes ZERO POINT ONE Newton!
That force is supposed to hold the Earth in its orbit according. I don't think it could move a fly!

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 21:34

I don't really know what he's talking about, and as they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. But I don't see how you can be so sure, as I can't see how the premise of the 'electric universe guys' fits in with the quote I posted above. However, you have eased my mind a great deal, for which I must thank you. I do hope this website continues after this 2012 malarkey is over, as there will no doubt still be a lot of fear-mongerers about, and this forum is the most helpful tool I have found to combat them.

Just one more thing: what about the guy who claims to work for Boeing? Attention-seeker, perhaps?

James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 21:57

Oh no, wait. It's backed up by a press release from the '2000 Electric-Plasma Universe Workshop': http://plasmauniverse.info/CIVmonterey.html. It seems to be backed up by evidence. Does the plasma universe theory contrast with our understanding of the universe?

3WMElliott 25 Apr 2011 22:08

Press releases do not equal credible evidence. Science is not determined by which newspaper you appear in or how many people watch your livestream announcement.

The Plasma Universe contradicts the current understanding of the Universe to such a degree that few people even bother to put time, effort and importantly money into researching it. They do so not because they are afraid of it being correct, but because what they have already explains the Universe much more fully than the Plasma Universe theory ever could.

As for this supposed Boeing whistleblower, yes, you're probably right, someone wanting their 15 minutes of attention. Certainly if Above Top Secret was the origin, you should be insanely skeptical about it, and as we've seen has already been torn apart even by the community who would have lapped it up (though I do keep hearing ATS does have some sanity, if you wade through it enough - I've not spent enough time there to really look).

Astrogeek 25 Apr 2011 22:09

The issue is not whether or not electrical charges can flow through space. They can, otherwise we would not enjoy things like aurora (although technically the aurora are caused by charged particles emanating from the sun, not by the so-called 'thunderbolts' that the PU people propose) The issue is whether or not such a flowing electrical charge would have any effect on bodies such as the sun, or the earth, etc.

The Plasma Universe people seek to overturn well established theories such as gravity, nuclear physics, and astrophysics, and replace it with their pseudo-science. They behave in the typical manner of pseudo-scientists, and look for holes in the knowledge of science, and try to wedge their ideas into those holes. Usually what happens is that the holes are closed by 'further research' within the scientific community. An example of this might be the so-called 'pioneer anomaly', where the space probes Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 are slowing down slightly more than expected, once they passed the 20 AU mark. The PU people are quick to claim that their ideas explain this, but gloss over the fact that there are several potential explanations within the realm of established science that might explain the anomaly, we just haven't figured out which one is correct, and the 'standard' explanations don't require overturning any established science.

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James (guest) 25 Apr 2011 23:43

Sorry for posting something else, but please just have a look. This explains the idea in more detail. He doesn't seem to be an 'electric universe guy', but just understands plasma well. Please tell me what you make of this, particularly the 'what is different today' and 'follow up findings'. This is linked to a webpage from the pdf fil
"Having a background in Plasma Deposition Technologies, (theoretical/practical)… I have a strong feeling that the fluff will greatly excite the sun, simplistically, it will begin a plasma transfer between it and the bodies orbiting it. Although increased radiation will be a factor, the key (detrimental) end result will be a severe disruption of electrical energy here on earth.

There could be other consequences such as the charging up of metallic structures and containers which could contribute to dangerous situations. The mechanism is about very high electrical charges building up in ferrous metals and rogue high tension currents in conductive materials. There might even be unheard of mega lightning storms in an extreme case.

The presence of a "denser" magnetically charged "space" environment connecting the sun to the planets suggests the opportunity for ion plasma flow pathways to earth… rather than just standard CME "events".

(explained more in posts below.)

(If Sunspots are suppressed by the quickening sun conveyor phenomena as reported by science, potential would build and release in a different way, see CME but "no sunspot" anomaly.)

I know this is not a new doom scenario, but increasingly leaks and semi disclosures are leading me to believe we all should develop coping strategies… not panic but just good sense contingency against prolonged power disruption. If the timing is good luck, then hopefully the weather will be in the summertime and not the winter which will be less of a threat.

I hope I am entirely wrong of course, but something tells me "they" are about to come clean anyway.

I believe that knowing and being mentally prepared is 90% of preparation. It does no harm to keep the possibility in the back of your mind and have some simple coping strategy in mind.

If the power is affected… it will be a long time down… most communications will be down far longer.

Again I hope this is NOT TRUE, but there again it sure looks like something is in the offing.

In summary - what is different today?

- Introduction of the magnetized particle interstellar cloud into the equasion (Thicker charged particle "space".)
- Discovery of the sun 'conveyor' process (CME suppression control/added cosmic timing gear)
- Discovery of existing ion pathway's to the sun. (They are called flux transfer events or 'FTE)
- Other (almost daily confessions) from the knowledge community.

My proposed theory

The solar system entering the interstellar cloud causing the quickening of the sun conveyor leading to increased "no sunspot" CME activity initiating a sustained ion exchange flow to the planets via amplified flux transfer events - outcome… higher order of magnitude, new class… of CME, Super FTE ribbon discharges.

Or… Umbilical Intermittent Plasma Transfer Phenomena

Other published variable (supporting) factors

Recent follow up findings - Examples of new variables

- 11 year solar cycle - as a routine phenomena - not true this cycle.
- Large CME recorded - no causal sun spot (unprecedented)
- Equatorial bulge growing rapidly - change to gravitational pull.
- Jet streams are migrating toward the poles (study).
- Sun in its quietest state in 100 years. (study)
- Sun "conveyor" belt system speeding up over five years of monitoring.

Conclusion

A plethora of new interstellar/cosmic/planetary behaviors or findings preclude the usefulness of all prior studies, projections, hypothesis or extrapolations… science is where we are… back to square one.

Observations

- Mainstream touting Solar Storms Could Be Earth's Next Katrina.
- Mainstream acknowledgment that CME are associated with EQ
- Significant comet debris made it to the sun undetected or unannounced.
- Little or no follow up subsequent to announcing rapid growth of equatorial bulge.
- More speculative aspects of the Electric Universe theory argue that some planetary features, such as craters are produced by cosmic mega-lightning electrical scarring rather than impacts with meteorites.
- Noctilucent Cloud observations increasing in strength & frequency.
- Sun conveyor belt challenges existing models of the solar cycle.
- Large holes discovered in Earth's protective shield - effect not as thought.
- Earth's poles long overdue for reversal - according to science.

~WO/DRL

Super Flux Transfer Events "SFTE" - Potential effects

- Sudden, dramatic changes to weather patterns
- Increased extreme weather events
- Shifted seasonal patterns
- Increased EQ activity
- Mystery booms
- Hyper cloudless "lightning" storms
- Unusual sky effects
- Tide and water level deviations
- Unanticipated coronal mass ejections originating from a quiet sun."

James (guest) 26 Apr 2011 19:30

Astrogeek, if you're not going to gratify this with a response, then please at least answer this: what is the difference between the dust cloud and the ISM? Is the dust cloud the 'local fluff/interstellar cloud'? If so, then what is the ISM you're talking about?

Astrogeek 26 Apr 2011 23:31

"ISM" stands for "Interstellar Medium", it is shorthand for the 'stuff between the stars', and it includes the dust cloud. Yes, the 'interstellar fluff' is the same as the dust cloud.

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Astrogeek 26 Apr 2011 23:29

Sorry for posting something else, but please just have a look. This explains the idea in more detail. He doesn't seem to be an 'electric universe guy',

Actually, the more I read of him, the more like the 'Electric Universe / Plasma Universe' people he sounds…

"Having a background in Plasma Deposition Technologies, (theoretical/practical)… I have a strong feeling that the fluff will greatly excite the sun, simplistically, it will begin a plasma transfer between it and the bodies orbiting it.

His background sounds as if it is in an industrial process. I'm not sure how well this translates into astrophysics, because of the vast differences in densities.

Even in the midst of the 'fluff', the interstellar medium is a harder vacuum than we can produce by any process here on earth.

All of the rest of his assertions rest on his understanding of plasma, which, coming from an industrial process, is probably quite a bit different than he is used to. Vacuum is still an excellent insulator.

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Matthew (guest) 26 Apr 2011 23:50

How long have we been in the local fluff, and why are people saying we're entering it now? Also, so there's no evidence that it will affect the sun?

Matthew (guest) 27 Apr 2011 00:02

It mentions something about an increase in solar filaments. Is there any evidence to support this claim?

Matthew (guest) 29 Apr 2011 00:15

Ignore the solar filaments question; I highly doubt the validity of the whistleblower's claims. However, I am still worried about this idea. But since we've been in the cloud for a while now, and as CME ejections happen all the time, wouldn't this have already happened by now? Also, if the dust cloud is in the ISM, how can we be in the cloud if the ISM doesn't even penetrate the solar system? Thank you in advance.

Awesomeee 26 Apr 2011 21:55

Thanks for that post astro

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obaeyens 25 Apr 2011 20:53

The plasma universe consists of swirling streams of electrons and ions flowing in filaments.

There you go: Plasma Universe aka Electric Universe.
You can't find any more crazy people on the face on this Earth that would believe such a thing to exist.
These people think that all science is wrong, and that gravity does not exist.

JamesJJlm 25 Apr 2011 21:33

Now, you get to have fun explaining how the Maya knew all of this with no telescopes or magnets. That is, in fact, the origin of this doomsday claim (even though they didn't really say anything about a doomsday).

Also, we have been able to put sattelites into orbit by the laws of gravity. We have been able to send humans into space and back by the laws of gravity. We have been able to make precise calculations that fit like a jigsaw puzzle with the rest of the universe by the laws of gravity. What has the electric universe proponents done with their "theory"?

Astrogeek 25 Apr 2011 22:11

It's obvious, the Maya had help from space aliens¹

Footnotes

1. Yes, this is a joke.

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Matthew (guest) 29 Apr 2011 09:44

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/

Opher says that we are not in the local fluff yet. However, Wikipedia says we've been in the fluff for thousands of years. Could someone please explain? It also says that the cloud is more strongly magnetized than previously thought.

JamesJJlm 29 Apr 2011 17:17

Where do you see where Opher says that? The "fluff" is held at bay from our solar system by the sun's magnetic field. Maybe read it more carefully?

Please understand the key word in that sentence is "more". If you take out that word, it would be an incorrect statement. When he says "more" it implies that they thought it was less magnetized than it really is. So "more strongly magnetized " is not the same as "strongly magnetized". The magnetism of this cloud, quite frankly, couldn't pick up a paper clip.

James (guest) 26 Apr 2011 16:45

It turns out that this was a post on the forum Godlike Productions, and was put together by someone called SickScent. Am I right in saying that Godlike Productions has a reputation for perpetrating woo and nonsense? Are there any posts similar to this one? The thing is that in the document, SickScent claims that the whistleblower contacted him to prove that he was who he said he was. But a quick glance at SickScent's blog, and you see that he's a bit of a nutjob. But who's to say he's not lying, or that the science tied in with the claims of the whistleblower have something in them? If anyone knows about the thread Moo talks about, or how valid the science behind this is, please let me know soon, because I've been worried sick for a couple of days now and I don't think I can go on like this :(

Gary A 26 Apr 2011 17:06

Am I right in sayin Godlike Productions has a reputation for perpetrating woo and nonsense?

That's an understatement. If you want to be scared half to death by bullshit that's the place to go. If you want to live in the sane world I'd advise you to stay away.

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Tomy2011 27 Apr 2011 20:27

It turns out that this was a post on the forum Godlike Productions

Same BS site, same explanation: that site is not reliable. They are conspiracy theorists. Also, if you go to the bottom of their forum pages, you'll read:

"DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE!"

Yes, they admit that they are not reliable at all. Prefer a scientific article, because they are just a humor site.
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Matthew (guest) 28 Apr 2011 15:32

For a humor site, they're really not that funny.

He talks about NASA not releasing the information because they don't fully understand it. Is this plausible?

3WMElliott 28 Apr 2011 15:48

The very nature of science is that you don't fully understand it, you still analyze and release data in front of you anyway.

Weather permitting, NASA will be launching a billion dollar experiment to the ISS tomorrow to hopefully detect (among other things) dark matter. Sure as hell don't understand what dark matter is, but it's public knowledge that they and the rest of the scientific world don't have anything near a complete picture for dark matter, and still countless papers and experiments are released and performed in search for answers.

'Withholding information' is such a get-out-of-jail-free card for proponents, essentially saying "well I don't have any evidence for my claims, which must mean neither do they". It's word play, nothing more.

Matthew (guest) 29 Apr 2011 09:16

Have you read the theory above? Do you have any opinion on it?

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Awesomeee 26 Apr 2011 18:47

GP And ATS Are Psuedo-Science

End Of Story.

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Moo (guest) 30 Apr 2011 06:37

Oh. Your. God.

Do you seriously need me to find that thread? Well, the problem with that is… is I tried. I tried to find it for a good hour. I couldn't. This is likely because it got nuked by ATS mods for being a waste of everyone's time. That, or I'm missing key words.

The more realistic reason why I couldn't find it it because I didn't actually dig into ATS itself and tear through their forums for it. Trust me, wasn't bloody interested. ATS and GLP are only fun if you've got a skeptical mind and know that they're insane.

And they still aren't as fun as shoving one of your own limbs into a meat grinder.

Look, instead of humoring you by reading theories and BLAH BLAH BLAH, let me lay it out like this;

"Hello. I use to work for NASA. I have quit my job to tell the world an important, dire message. We have entered the 'local fluff', and will find ourselves dead within the next year. NASA refuses to let you know this, as to not let you prepare for the worse. You are expected to live in blissful ignorance.

The tsunami in Japan is proof of this devastation.

May God Be With You."

Now, you'd probably not believe that. Let's add a ton of fluff (HAHAHAHA GET IT?) to it, add a smidge of class, look up what companies work with NASA and pick a random one, and re-write this entire bad boy into something believable.

And, ugh. I did a little more digging. It wasn't ATS, it was GLP. The original thread is…

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1005905/pg1

Have fun with that 101 page monster. Amusing, we should have seen the effects of this crap back in late 2010. Guess what, it's nearly May of 2011.

Now, people in that thread will say "Oh the long lasting Solar Minimum has delayed things", but bull. They're using crap like the Tsunami to provide 'proof' of the entire Boeing Whistleblower shenanigans.

I could go on and on at how this is bullcrap, but I've wasted enough time. Let me sum it up as the following; SickScent is a Moderator of GLP. This means he is /very much aware of the fact you can lie your head off and be accepted/. Due to GLP's disclaimer, they're free to say or do anything they want, and anything 'official' will have to shrug it off.

And, really. So what if the 'Whistleblower' was right? So. What?

Are you going to fly into space and battle the 'Fluff'? No. You're going to sit here, and you're going to die. You will die like the rest of us. Or you can dig a biiiig hole and sit in it and hope you have the survival skills needed to survive a blown-up world. Because dying instantly sure beats starving to death after you ate your own family to survive a while longer.

As it stands, the two 'major theories' of all this is;

The fluff will have an adverse affect of the Sun. Yeah. Earth still exists after bajllions o' years.

A large body will slam into the Sun. Ya'd think we'd have seen this one coming well in advance, yeah? UNLESS NASA IS HIDING THAT NIBIRU WILL HEADBUTT THE SUN O_O!!!

…

But no, really. Wonder. Dream. Be. If this is true, you're dead. If it's not, you're still dead, just now you have no idea when, aside from the fact it'll most likely be due to old age.

Happy now? I'm not.

Rita Sue 30 Apr 2011 14:15

I'm just wondering… If some guy really did want to blow the whistle, and really did want the people to know the truth… Why would he release the info to GLP? Surely the National Enquirer would have been a better choice.

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3WMElliott 30 Apr 2011 14:28

One would hope the likes of the National Enquirer would have standards, laugh in the face of nonsense, and not give him/her/it the attention it deserves.

Did I say deserves? I meant desperately crave. The attention that proponents desperately crave in the hope of being cool.

Alene Y 03 May 2011 19:03

Elliott,
The words "National Enquirer" and "standards" don't even belong in the same sentence. They are about one step up from the Weekly World News, though. At least they don't print things like "Paris Hilton has alien baby."

All the tabloids print nothing but trash. Occasionally they accidentally stumble over something true in their mad dash for any ludicrous sensationalistic nonsense they can scrape off the bottoms of their shoes and plaster on their trash rags.

Matthew (guest) 02 May 2011 22:47

Wouldn't kill you to be a bit less sarcastic, but yes, thank you, I am much happier now.

Tomy2011 02 May 2011 22:51

Sarcasm is, in my opinion, a good weapon to ease fears. When you're sarcastic, you realize how stupid your fears are. You should try. :-)

obaeyens 03 May 2011 19:29

I agree.

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