this post is actualy for anyone that is good with math and formulas
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1382235/pg1
this thread is 50 pages long and still kickin
the guy has calculated elenin and its size and distance with his formula based on nasas official data
you will be suprised of elenins size
that comet is huge according to what he is saying
please please read that thread with intrest at least to page 15
no one has debunked this guy!!
he has blown away amature and pro astronomors so far
like i said that thread is 50 pages long and everyone there are hungry for someone to come and debunk him
i hope someone debunks him he scared the sh*t outta me
and alot of people there are now strting to believe in his calculations
i appreciate all your help in advance
It's crap, and it's old news. He doesn't know the difference between the comet's nucleus and coma, or he knows and hopes you don't. The coma is simply the dust and gas being driven off the comet's surface by the solar wind, many times larger than the main mass of the comet itself, and it will continue to grow as the comet gets closer to the Sun.
Here's what I posted in the other thread:
"True to form, that's just a GLP poster making up something to get attention. Firstly, he gives no justification for the value he's chosen as the angular diameter (which is the apparent size of an object from the perspective of an observer). Where did he get it? Secondly, the angular diameter of a comet is not its "size." What you see is going to include the coma, which is the dust and gas blowing off the comet's surface. This can be hundreds or even thousands of times larger than the solid nucleus itself. To make matters worse, the idiot is including the tail in his "calculation," which inflates his final figure grossly. So to answer your question, even if the GLP poster used an accurate number for his post, no, the comet is not that big. If it were, we would notice all kinds of orbital anomalies, because the diameter given by the GLP doomsayer is roughly twice that of Pluto (larger than our Moon). It's made-up baloney, just like 99% of that forum of anonymous [bad] fiction writers."
no one has debunked this guy!!
Huh? If I recall, he's debunked on page one by someone who brings up the nucleus/coma point. He just waves it off and keeps posting garbage, which has ballooned to ~50 pages now, apparently (edit: I'm only seeing 41.).
he has blown away amature and pro astronomors so far
Baloney.
thanks juju i hope your rite thanks for your help!
:)
You don't have to hope. JPL tracks these things, and it's just a fact that such an massive body would have gravitational consequences for the inner solar system. We can observe the effects of objects upon other objects.
btw juju the guys over there claim that leonid elenin is bullshit and that there is no way to detect an object that is so far away with a 18inch telescope
is that claim true?
and he detected this comet on december which means it was even further out
my other question to all this and it has not been answered yet
is why are people doing this?
why are they scaring others?
i mean some just put on a scare just for fun?
obviously some people arent trying to sell anything but still post scaring threads
some do it for popularity?
whats you opinion?
the guys over there claim that leonid elenin is bullshit and that there is no way to detect an object that is so far away with > a 18inch telescope
is that claim true?
No, that isn't true, especially considering that the coma of the comet (the gas and dust part) is tens of thousands of miles across.
my other question to all this and it has not been answered yet
is why are people doing this?
why are they scaring others?
David, I can't delve into the minds of hoaxers and tell you what their motivations are. Some of them just want attention; some of them are delusional; some of them think it's funny; some of them enjoy scaring people for some reason. That's my speculation anyway. In the end, it doesn't matter why they make such ridiculous claims, because we can show that they're wrong.
I just found some info on nasa from what david mentioned:
Question
So what the deal with comet elenin, there does not seem to be too much credible information. Everyone seems to be freaking out about it, but no one even knows how big it is. Does this comet pose a threat and what is its size and nature? AND I have read about comet Elenin and how some nasa people want to keep it a secret. what are the chances of it coming to earth and what threat does it bring with it, and has this comet got anything to do with 2012 hoax? AND Elinin is only .117 au from earth on mar 11,2011. From march 8 to mar 15, 2011, what are the chances that Elinin either impacts us, or gets close enough to cause a major catastrophy. Please be honest.
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I have been receiving many questions about Comet E
lenin. Many of them refer to the outrageous lies on some conspiracy theory websites, which are amplified by people who seem to think this comet is highly unusual. It is not unusual, and it is not a threat to Earth. See the Wikipedia article on this comet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1] for more information. C2010 X1 Elenin (to give its full name) is a long-period comet, which takes about 10,000 years to complete one orbit around the Sun. It was discovered with a robotic telescope in New Mexico on 10 December 2010 by Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin. When comets or asteroids are first discovered, their orbits are quite uncertain; usually it takes several months of observations to firmly establish the orbit. Elenin's perihelion (closest to the Sun) is in early September 2011 at a distance from the Sun of 40-45 million miles. It will be closest to Earth on about 16 October, at a distance of about 21 million miles, which is nearly a hundred times farther than the Moon. The comet never comes close to the Earth, but it is expected to be visible in binoculars during August and October. Part of the Internet chatter concerns its size. Comets are exceedingly small and enveloped in a tenuous cloud of gas and dust, so the only way to be sure of their actual dimensions is to visit with a spacecraft. Half a dozen comets have been the target of spacecraft missions, and all of them (even Comet Halley) are less than 10 km in diameter. There is no reason to think Elenin is any different. This means its mass is less than one billionth the mass of the Earth. Needless to say, we will not be aware of the tiny gravitational pull from Elenin. In spite of these simple facts, some websites (such as godlikeproductions) are making wild claims that Elenin will hit the Earth, or disturb our orbit, or cause tides, or interact with our magnetic field. Such claims are pure fiction. One of the worst examples is a video that someone posted on the NASAbuzzroom website that claims that the magnetic field of the comet will cause a large shift in the rotation axis of the Earth and produce mega-earthquakes on March 15, 2011. It is hard to imagine anyone would take this seriously. Comets don't have magnetic fields, and magnetic fields can't change the rotation axis or cause earthquakes no matter how large they are. Adding to the craziness is a claim that this same comet caused the Earth's axis to shift by 3 degrees in February 2010 and caused the Chile Earthquake. These are simply lies; the comet was far away a year ago, and there was no change whatever in Earth's rotation axis. The Chile earthquake was a normal slippage in an active fault that has produced many previous earthquakes, including the one witnessed by Charles Darwin in 1835. Please remember that just because someone says he or she is from NASA doesn't make it true. Many people who post YouTube videos lie about their affiliation. Incidentally, only NASA is allowed to use the NASA logo, the blue circle with the word NASA and a satellite orbiting around it.
David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
March 1, 2011
I already debunked this.
Just replace Red Dwarf with Brown Dwarf. Because of dyslexia I didn't know that I used the wrong word.
I did the calculations and effects if Elenin had the mass of a brown dwarf.
I showed you how much the orbits of all outer planets including Earth would be wrong right now.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-350399#post-1134928
I even imaged the comet Elenin a few days ago near the 12 magintude star TYC260-327-1
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-324743/comet-elenin#post-1135455
And to tell you something, a brown dwarf is dark in outer space far away from the sun, because it emits not so much light from its own.
But just like Jupiter it will reflect light from the sun big time and be brighter than the brightest Venus even when it is behind the Sun.
And I even showed you how big Elenin would be if it were a brown dwarf right now: 1/6th the size of the moon in radius.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-350399#post-1134985
i have a couple of question
1. why isint there alot of backround on this elenin guy i mean you would at least expect an interview on tv or something
2.do you think that that elenins tail will cause any damage to earth? i heard that when we follow its tail we will have some sort of meteor shower,
3.do you think haarp is responsable for japan new zealand and chile earthquakes
i have heard that they used haarp to knock earth off its axis so that elenin wouldnt hit us
i dont know if this is true just asking
1.why isint there alot of backround on this elenin guy i mean you would at least expect an interview on tv or something
Why? It is just a comet, like so many other comets that are being discovered.
2.do you think that that elenins tail will cause any damage to earth? i heard that when we follow its tail we will have some sort of meteor shower,
Grain dust the size of a sand grain. All you see is a spectacular light trail.
If you look at at night you will see many of these, we are in a period where there appear a lot of those.
3.do you think haarp is responsable for japan new zealand and chile earthquakes
The word HAARP is a reality check. If you actually believe that HAARP can do these things then it is time to go to a psychiatrist.
The first time you hear about it, it is ok to be mistaken and thinking this could be true, but if you keep believing it than something is very wrong with you. You need specialized medical help.
And why would you even consider someone confusing the coma with the nucleus of a comet as reliable and scientific?
And we know what comets are: We just visited one. They are no secret things anymore.
http://www.universetoday.com/83306/stardust-next-zooms-by-comet-tempel-1-for-cosmic-encounter/
can you please send me some images of elenin
i have only seen 1
alot of people are saying it dosent even exist i dont think that
but thet are claiming they couldnt see it on telescope
i would realy love to see elenin in some pictures thanks to whoever sends
I just posted it here above in one of the links
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8714/eleninmovement20110425.jpg
the elenin link to the image dosent work
i cant see anything but a picture of a frog saying the image is not avalable
This is the original exposure.
It is this very fuzzy barely visible spot 1/3 from the left and almost halfway from the top slightly left down from that brightest star in the triangle.
For those interested, we have now falling stars from Comet Halley back then. :-)
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/27apr_eta/
may i ask please what is this lady saying she is scarey ….:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBgpLusqzk
may i ask please what is this lady saying she is scarey ….:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBgpLusqzk
There is no need to post the same thing in two different threads.
Edit:
Dandona, you just made the same post in no less than four different threads. I'm deleting them. If you want to ask a question, fine. Post it in one thread, either your own or one that's on topic, and be patient long enough for someone to answer. It may take several hours or even a day or more. Do not spam the same question in thread after thread just to get attention.
so juju can you give me an answer for the video above or any one else pleeeez.. thank you
Ok, I honestly couldn't watch that full video, I got to the part that said " Elenin is in direct contact with the Jupiter sized planet beyond the orbit of Pluto." First off, there is no Jupiter sized planet beyond Pluto, I assume this woman is referring to tyche, a theoretical planet which has been proposed by two astronomers to explain the strange orbital patterns of some asteroids. No planet has been discovered, it's at this moment no better than a theory.
Also, the video claims there are at least 13 objects orbiting Elenin, which is complete garbage, and the images she uses to prove this show no such thing.
This video is hinting toward Elenin being intelligently controlled, if that type of claim bothers you then you really need to take a long hard look at yourself.
Stop looking at these ridiculous videos posted by attention seekers, if you can't see this complete nonsense for what it is you should be nowhere near these videos.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
She is using false colour image to show compression artefacts and she thinks that these are objects?
It is a jpeg compression artefact that. It is just noise!
I stopped watching the rest because if you think that a compression artefact is an object then the rest of it will be worthless too.
Throw in another couple of known hoaxes:
“Russian Warning Issued over Controlled Comet headed towards Earth” was made up by 'Sorcha Faal'.
The "Spanish Starviewer Team", who seem to think that an expanding supernova remnant is an approaching object, is another hoax.
Rest assured that it's all nonsense.
thank you so much every one i really appreciate it but the thing is every second i check the updates on the search like the past one hour every second there is like 4 to 5 links talking about elenin or somthing in september or october and then astroide 2005yu55 in november , its really scary when you have kids and do not know how to protect them and all that stuff around the net so thank you so much again
thank you so much every one i really appreciate it but the thing is every second i check the updates on the search like the past one hour every second there is like 4 to 5 links talking about elenin or somthing
Stop looking for this crap. Seriously, it worries you, so why keep looking for it? It's nonsense, Elenin is harmless, it always will be, no matter what some lunatic on YouTube or some random conspiracy site says. By going to these places and reading their nonsense, you're giving them the attention they crave.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
i understand but people keep saying stuff about FEMA program and shelters being build and not to trust NASA and there no such thing that nasa went to the moon and russia building bunkers under the ground also that bad weather , storms,earthquakes , volcano that is happening to much this days i try to find answer to all this and they keep connecting all these dots togather and making hard for any one to unbelive it…… ahhhhhh i dont know what to do :(
You do know that just because a bunch of people say something it doesn't make it true don't you? Stop looking for the answers to stupid claims, you're digging yourself a deeper hole by entertaining these idiotic fantasies.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
sorry thats the right link… http://sinais2012.blogspot.com/2011/07/alert-secret-covenant-from-300-ruling.html
dandona, please snap out of it.
If you search for doomsday predictions on YouTube and Google, ofc you will find some. Try searching for something els, like "weather records over 20 years" or "History of Earth Quackes". Please come to your senses. I understand you wanna get an answer to all this, but you wont get it, if you keep searching for the same thing. Think outsite the box, see what the stuff is linked to. A few weeks ago we had massive rain in the capital of Denmark, they said it was the worst rain in the last 50 years. Okay, so 50 years ago the world didnt exist or what? Do you honestly believe people 50 years ago, said to them self "oh no, it's raining, it must be the end of the world!" The reason you do, is because you're so fed up about all this stuff. If you didnt know one single thing about 2012 doomsday predictions, i swear you wouldnt worry one bit about the weather. Now, it is true that global warming is happening, and that the ice is smelting, but please dont link that to all these f'd up claims, really! Get off your butt, and do something about it, because you can! But dont link it to 2012 claims, because that is just stupid.
- “I fear one day I'll meet God, he'll sneeze and I won't know what to say.”
The moon filmed through a window, judging by all the the twenty seconds I could bare to watch.
I hope the other 17 minutes aren't based on more nonsense.
Dandona are you serious? You're worried over a guy filming the moon and claiming that "a blue anomaly" is nibiru, even though it's clearly just light reflecting in the clouds from the moon? It's getting so annoying having to watch these stupid, hand waving videos and tell you the very obvious reason they are false. I really don't know how anyone could see that video you posted and think the guy is filming something sinister. I hate having to say this because it's starting to feel like a cop out, but you need professional help. I dont think it matters what we say. Sure, you'll bring a crappy video here, we will tell you its nonsense, you'll thank us, then run off and find some new garbage video and come back here wailing for help. It's silly, it helps nobody, and it wastes our time. If you refuse to help yourself by breaking the habit of searching out and watching these pieces of trash, then we can't really help you either. Either stop looking for a reason to panic, or get help from a doctor.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
hi Gary i think you dont need to be that hard on me , its somthing that guy put and alot people comment on it as a great video and ask him to keep the good work, when i find some kind a video and the people debunking it under in the comment area with sence i dont post her but this one was diffrent, also and i did not mean to waste your time but you guys put on your shoulder the job of helping so why you complain, i really appreciate your help and also i trid to get some answer from a good source as the guys her recommend , so iasked her to make sure, but any way thank you for your reply to me , and i think you are being hard just trying to help me around and let me see the hall pic, i really appreciate it
Look I'm not trying to be mean or nasty, I'm trying to show you why you're afraid, and why what you're doing is wrong. These videos are all the same, nonsense claims with comments praising the video and it's creator. Why? Because anyone who criticises or disagrees with the video is swiftly deleted or blocked. My appologies if my post upset you, I'm only trying to make you see the error of your ways. You will never get over this fear by watching dumb conspiracy videos designed to scare people, you're only adding fuel to the fire.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
you dont have to be sorry i understand what you are saying, but the thing is that sometims you got confused because i dont know where they got there info from and if its true or not, and if you have kids you get scared more because you need to protect them and you dont know how and every thing out of your hand, belive me its a bad feel that i dont wish any one to have it .. thank you so much for you reply and care :)
but the thing is that sometims you got confused because i dont know where they got there info from and if its true or not,
It's always garbage, trust me. You're missing the point though, if you don't want to be afraid or if you get confused by these videos, don't go looking for them. If you don't watch them, you won't have to worry, you won't have to see if their information is correct or not. If you want real info about comet Elenin, visit Leonid Elenins home page.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Dandona,
Thrust me, if anything would be real then we would be the first to tell this.
Al these 2012 nuts don't have even the real knowledge to spot a real threat when it stares at them in the face.
This video clip is just a guy filming the moon. If a guy manages to scare you by something this obvious than I advise you to buy an astronomy book, maybe a small telescope and get used to what is normal out there in the sky. But stay away from conspiracy sites because they fail at astronomy.
Edit:
If you live in a city ad cannot see the stars then This is a great place to start: http://www.slooh.com/home.php
I have nothing to do with Slooh itself but it is the closest thing to a professional telescope and you get used to love images.
I just snapped this image of M57 a few minutes ago.
http://www.slooh.com/viewsnap.php?img=2751686&s=2360&cid=13310&name=1&obs=1&date=1&box=1
guys try to search comet elenin in the serch box above and it says fail try later may i know why please that worries me a lot ….. ???????/
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
a more complete search would be: http://www.2012hoax.org/search:site/a/pf/q/Comet%20elenin which will return results from the pages as well as from the forums.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Is this a debunking page or not ?http://www.cnbc.com/id/42267862
Is this a debunking page or not ?http://www.cnbc.com/id/42267862
Looks more like a series of simple observations of just how ridiculous some people are. It isn't meant to debunk anything — it's just talking about the economics of doomsday claims.
That's my take on it. They aren't pushing it or debunking it, just discussing how people are reacting to it.
oke, was the docu about 2012 apocalypse on cnbc the same as the one of cbc?






