Some questions........

Some questions........

Peter (guest) 27 Apr 2011 06:05

Hello guys my name is Peter.

Recently i became interested in the 2012 subject, i have look at some sites and other stuff.You can call me crazy or an idiot but i am a bit terrified.

I have seeing this site , and this site has gave me some confort, thank you all for that.

I have some questions that i would like you guys to respond if you can so there it goes :

1 - Nostradamus - The profecies of Nostradamus are very ambiguous, but the profecie about 21 12 2012 is very precise because talks about a precise date.

So what you guys think about this profecie and that precise date, and if you know what is the precise date of the next Nostradamus proficie or is it 21 12 2012
the last profecie of Nostradamus ?

2 - Zeta Talk - I have look at this site , and in this site they talk about a geological pole shift in 2011/2012. In the site they talk about a 10 step

chart, they say that we are in the step number 7 of that chart , and they claim up till now all the things that they sad have happened.

So you guys think that this pole shift theory is a hoax ? and what you guys think about the 10 step chart to a upcoming pole shift ?

3 - Patrick Geryl - This guy for me has the more terrifying theory about 2012, Because ehe talks about a so cal research that he spent many years studying.

I saw here that a prediction about the sun for 19 of April has proven to be wrong,

So i would like you guys to answer if he was wrong in others dates about this matter or if was or he is wronng about any other matter of his research so far ?

Sorry for my bad english if the are any gramatical errors,but english is not my native language

Many regards

Peter

Re: Some questions........

Gary A 27 Apr 2011 07:04

1. Nostrodamus never made a prediction about December 21st 2012. If you have been told he has you have been lied to, simple as that. Even if he did make a prediction (which he didn't) so what? Nobody can predict the future, never has been done, never will be done.
2. Zeta talk is the website of Nancy leider, a "phsycic" in her words. She is such a good phsycic that the aliens she claims to be channeling apparently keep lying to her. She predicted planet x to swing by earth in may 2003. Obviously this didn't happen. She has predicted this for December 2012. Why would you believe someone who keeps moving a doomsday date to suit herself?
3. Patrick geryl is indeed someone with predictions of doom and gloom. He appears to have had one prediction that was correct in October last year (although I'm not sure exactly what he's predicting) or so he claims. Since then his predictions have failed big time, one in January and one on April 19th, although I'm sure he'll find some way of talking himself out of his failures. Bottom line is he's a fraud, who's so illiterate in every subject he claims to be an expert at, he doesn't even realise his claims are physically impossible.
So in short, there's no reason whatsoever to be afraid of 2012, there's no evidence to suggest it'll be anything other than an ordinary year.

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Re: Some questions........

Alene Y 27 Apr 2011 07:11

Hi Peter,
I'm glad you found our site and that it has helped you. Click on the links at the left for the pages you want to read.

1) Nostradamus-Nostradamus never mentioned 2012, let alone 12/21/12, anywhere in any of his writings. The 2012 hoaxers just made that up, along with their other nonsensical claims. See the Nostradamus page.

2) Zetatalk is the website of a delusional woman who thinks she gets messages from aliens through a brain implant. The rotational poles (or geographic poles can never reverse). This is just more of Nancy's delusions. I don't know anything about her 10 step chart, but I can tell you that it's nonsense for two reasons. As I said, the rotational poles can't reverse, and Nancy has no scientific education. She has predicted the end of the world twice before and was obviously wrong. See the Rotational Pole Shift page and the Nancy Lieder page.

3) Patrick Geryl is another screwball with no science education making completely uncientific claims. We've had several long threads on him in the forums here. His predictions have been failing regularly for the past few monts. When he predicts a solar flare for a particular date, he just widens the time span when it fails to happen. I don't understand why some people find him believable, perhaps because he refers to his fantasies as "research."

Re: Some questions........

obaeyens 27 Apr 2011 22:19

1 - Nostradamus -

That is the guy with the 100% prediction failure rate?

3 - Patrick Geryl

I have so far by lucky guess predicted more solar storms than he did.

Re: Some questions........

ThreeFangCat 27 Apr 2011 23:56

My take on Nostradaumus:

First, Nostradaumus shares a similarity with the Maya, the Hopi, the Sumerians, etc… his texts are not in English. The doomsayers LOVE non-English texts, because they can just lie about what they say and the ordinary person can't just go check. Thus, I don't put much stock in it when doomsayers go co-opt these texts.

Second, Nostradaumus' track record on predictions is abysmal. He's cited in every doomsday you've ever heard, yet none have come true. His supposed successes are entirely back-engineered. I hear he predicted 9/11. I didn't hear it until a week later.

Finally, I have no reason to believe a Nostradaumus prediction even if it is based on actual text, and issued before the supposed event. I don't believe he had any powers greater than an ordinary human.

Peter (guest) 29 Apr 2011 04:33

Thanks for all you answers.

On Nostradamus i saw it in a history channel documentary…in that documentary they talk about is predicton to 21 12 2012 .

The documentary was based in is book, so i bilieve that this precise profecie is in is book.

Abou Zeta Talk i am going to research for the chart and then i will post it

Astrogeek 29 Apr 2011 07:19

Unfortunately the History Channel has become ground zero for the fear-mongers, and the words "History Channel" and "documentary" don't belong in the same sentence.

Here's the deal: Nostradamus never said anything about 2012. If you don't believe that, then all of his quatrains are available here. Feel free to demonstrate which one talks about 2012.

A friend of mine describe the typical process of interpreting Nostradamus as this: When something happens, run to a list of his quatrains, pull out something that is vaguely similar (and it doesn't matter if it has been used before, it's still good!), and then claim that Nostradamus predicted your event. The process is like shooting an arrow into the side of a barn, and then painting a bullseye around it.

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Awesomeee 29 Apr 2011 19:05

Hey astrogeek its the same thing when people butcher the bible.

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Awesomeee 09 Jun 2011 15:04

I Would avoid channels that would do anything for money , that means spreading psuedo-scientific lies etc…

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pedro (guest) 19 Jul 2011 15:04

I have a question about the polcircle , what i new the doomsdayers says that the sun goes up 1 day earlier then usuall with the polcirkle and i read a article from a swedish biologi guy ( well he says he work with biologi) and he says he have seen it with his own eyes that the sun was 1 day earlier with the polcircle , was the sun going up one day earlier or is that just crap to?

3WMElliott 19 Jul 2011 15:16

This post is the best I've come across for that claim, I wouldn't be surprised if it's been discussed elsewhere on these forums too, but I simply haven't looked.

Awesomeee 19 Jul 2011 16:57

Whats this deal and is the article a debunking one elliot?

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pedro (guest) 19 Jul 2011 17:08

no its not im yust wundering if the sun was up one day before it should go up with the polcircle , im not debunking elliot of course he helpt me

obaeyens 19 Jul 2011 17:09

he says he have seen it with his own eyes that the sun was 1 day earlier with the polcircle

Maybe on his planet but not on this Earth. And I actually think this guy is lying.

But there was one article back some time ago that did show that the Sun came up above the horizon one day earlier. Not because the sun or Earth changed orientation but because the ice melted making the horizon a bit lower than usual. Nothing mythical.

pedro (guest) 20 Jul 2011 15:28

I have a question about brown dwalfs , I know gliese 229 B is a brown dwalf , but the brown dwalfs gliese 581 is a brown dwalf and 582 to but i have heard and read that gleslie 583 is a brown dwalf and mayby a planet is there to but wich one is closest to earth? and can they make any danger on the earth ? I mean not nhe nearest time now but in we can say 200 years ?

3WMElliott 20 Jul 2011 16:55

I have a question about brown dwalfs

Dwarf is spelt with an 'r', not an 'l'.

but the brown dwalfs gliese 581 is a brown dwalf

Gliese 581 is a red dwarf, not a brown dwarf. Off the top of my head that'd be more massive and brighter, perhaps a little bigger than a brown dwarf.

and 582 to

Gliese 582 is listed as a G2 V type star, and you're familiar with those stars because you live under one of them every day of your life. It's the same type of star as the Sun.

i have heard and read that gleslie 583 is a brown dwalf and mayby a planet is there to

Gliese 583 is listed as a K7 V, more orange than the Sun and therefore cooler. It has no known planets or stars in orbit around it.

but wich one is closest to earth?

Of those you've listed, the distances are rounded to the nearest number as follows, therefore making Gliese 229B the closest to Earth, if you define close in terms of tens of lightyears (many of us don't):

229B: 19 lightyears
581: 20 lightyears
582: 52 lightyears
583: 61 lightyears

and can they make any danger on the earth ?

No.

I mean not nhe nearest time now but in we can say 200 years ?

No. The Universe tends not to operate on human timescales, but if you want to increase that to 1 and a half million years perhaps, then sure, you could find stars coming close to the Sun then, around 1 light year away in the case of Gliese 710. Of course even at one light year they're still too far away to bother fretting about.

pedro (guest) 20 Jul 2011 17:16

ok thank you :)