Anxiety and inclination of fears and suicide

Anxiety and inclination of fears and suicide

AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 08:15

Hi i wonder, how many here are like me, with the many doomsday predictions especially 21st May 2011 and 21st Dec 2012, and many many reports and stories leading to these 2, Catastrophes, Planet X / Nibiru, Pole Shift, Alignment etc etc etc… resulting in living life in anxiety, fears, cant sleep, eat and keeps looking at sky, wondering if suddenly one day a planet will be visible to our naked eye some time?

These fears resulted in many shortfalls, once u have this thought in mind, no matter how many people have tried to help u debunk (thank you to those here actually) it is still always in ur mind, and sometimes, u just cant help wondering if its better to die 1st than living life in such misery.

Any one has these kind of fears, can share how u managed to pull through or make urself feel better?
I tried telling my love ones and they just told me to forget it dont think abt it, but its easier said than done.
These thoughts are always on my mind, what if one day planet x just appears and all agencies happened to unable to detect it due to whatever reasons there are, and caused all catastrophes and pole shifts etc to happen. And its 21st May 2011 very soon, so many many predictions of doomsday and they best is they all made it so real so truthful.

i appreciate the advise of the debunkers here but again its something that i cant get over in my mind, is there people out here like me? suffering from sleepless nights (unable to sleep due to fear), cant eat and having suicide thoughts?

What ways do u recommend that we can do to help our selves?

Best Regards

Re: Anxiety and inclination of fears and suicide

TheGreatJuju 16 May 2011 08:30

My first reaction when I see anything that even alludes to suicide is that you need to consult a doctor, and do so quickly. That's indicative of a problem above and beyond simply being concerned about pseudoscientific drivel, and you need help that nobody here is qualified to provide.

FWIW, you aren't going to look up one night and see a mysterious planet, because no such planet exists. I get the "what if" mentality you've unfortunately fallen under, even if I can't understand why, but your "what if" is about as rational as asking "What if I look up one night and see the Death Star?" I say this not to insult you, but because it's really a good comparison, and it seems to me that you are fully aware of this. It looks to me like your next step should be to see if your situation might be medical.

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Re: Anxiety and inclination of fears and suicide

obaeyens 16 May 2011 17:17

You need professional help as soon as possible.
The problem is not out there, it only exists inside you.

Erik (guest) 17 May 2011 00:37

I have felt the same feelings you have.
The what ifs? Are the worst.
It has been hard to eat sometimes, hard to sleep(even thought it is probably one of my favorite things to do),hard to think, hard to care, and hard to love.

The biggest thing that has been releaving and reassuring for me is the fact that what if thinking is not rational. What if I turned into a nuclear waste monster tomorrow? What if the sea was the sky and the sky was the sea? What if my pen next to me really was a government tool used to spy on me?

You see it doesn't make much sense when I say those things does it?

I understand that it may be difficult for u to really determine what is right and what is wrong, but the best way to do it is to try to understand what is fact and fiction.Nothing is proven to be true unless there is evidence.

I don't think I can solve your problem but it might help because I have thought this things as well, and I have realized from these people here that there is more evidence that these claims are untrue than the other way around.

To live with the "What if?" mentality is the worst thing you could do, and I understand it is sooo hard to not think that. You can think of a what if? for anything and everything but really, if there isnt evidence to support it, it is not true.

I do agree with everyone and I think that you need to tell your parents that you need to see a doctor. It is for the best, because people probably have gone to doctors with the same exact thoughts.

Also think about what is planned for after May 21st and after 2012.
Would the governments keep spending money on eachother if they knew this terrible secret were true, and helping so many people around the world everyday? So many things are going to happen after these dates, and you will love it.

I hope I helped somewhat. But really if you just can't determine things right then doctor is the way to go.

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 20:51

Hi thank u there but I have been going through these trying period now, the thoughts of doomsday scares me out totally. I have been trying hard not to think abt it but the thoughts just keeps coming to me.

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Mephistospheles 16 May 2011 08:27

First thing that anybody in this forum will suggest is professional help. We can generally help in debunking these claims but we cannot help you with anxiety that is irrational. For that, you will need a licensed psychiatrist. But… as for me, I normally turn my attention to something I enjoy like my hobbies.

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Our fears are more numerous than our dangers, and we suffer more in our imagination than in reality.

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Gary A 16 May 2011 09:40

Seek urgent medical help, you really need it if your anxiety is turning to suicidal thoughts. That's bordering on clinical depression, not simple anxiety.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 14:11

My mind is in a whirl. It's like
A. One side they are saying doomsday catastrophe, end of the world etc etc etc
With so many formulas and claimed ancient evidence far beyond science
B. One side debunking all the claims and said nothing will happen.

I don't mean to say anything bad about u people here but what is it that i can trust u based on what u said. Similarly what can I based on to trust what the doomsayers said. That's why my mind is in a whirl.

I believe most ppl who have their fears of the end of the world will understand my situation. There is alot of suspicion in everything.

It's a very trying time to live a life miserably like this.
I live in Singapore . A small island in this world any slight changes in geography and my country will be either gone in an earthquake, collision or submerged under the sea.

Regards

Mephistospheles 16 May 2011 14:39

I live in an island country in Southeast Asia as well. But that doesn't scare me. For one thing, you need to understand that the chances of anything erasing Singapore off the map is extremely slim it might as well be zero.

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Our fears are more numerous than our dangers, and we suffer more in our imagination than in reality.

AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 14:43

Well to what I know, a small scale tsunami or earthquake is enough to erase Singapore off the map as it's an island below the sea level even.

Gary A 16 May 2011 15:58

I'll repeat what I said to you earlier, seek urgent medical help. I'm no doctor but iv suffered from anxiety most of my life and you really sound depressed. There's no shame in that, depression and anxiety are illnesses and both are very common. It doesn't sound like you believe people here when they tell you there's zero evidence of 2012 being anything other than a normal year, and I personally don't think anything we tell you will help, I believe you have allowed your anxiety to lead into depression. That's just my opinion and I suspect this based on your posts.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 16:12

Yes I have been thinking confusingly of late.

1. How can we believe the people who tells u to not believe in 2012 etc?
2. How can we know the NASA or US government may not be hiding anything from us? If a asteroid or comet is heading from earth I believe they will not tell u the trajectory of the object to caused panic and chaos and send shuttle secretly to try and divert it's path and if all fails we die.
3. How can we know that all the pole shifting or whatever claims won't happen? Since we know some cities are buried under sea which means something must have happened in history beyond our scientific explanation?
4. The formulas and debunking are of no understanding to us in layman terms as some of us are not good in math, science, astronomy etc, how we know this site isn't just to debunk and help people calm their fears but yet it isn't true at all, the aim is to help ppl believe that nothing Js wrong but yet they are unsure of 2012 themselves?
5. If the US government wants to hide things from us, based on their powers do u think it's impossible? I am sure they knew alot but yet they have the power to keep everything unknown. Even If they knew a earth shifting calamity will happen by their scientist I am sure they won't share it with the public.

I am so sorry to have say all these but I just can't help myself from thinking all of these.

Regards
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Gary A 16 May 2011 16:32

You seem to have a poor grasp of reality I'm afraid, and a rather alarming mistrust in the U.S government. Why would only the U.S government have the knowledge of a worldwide calamity but no other governments? How about china, Russia, France, the U.K etc. Don't you think they have scientists? You can't hide the end of the world, it's as simple as that. Rather than looking for reasons why you can't trust scientists and governments, why not think of a reason why you should trust a bunch of crooks trying to force feed you psudoscience til you vomit cash.

I also want to ask you what can anyone here say to you to make you trust us? This kind of "I think your lying" post seems to be on the rise, in my heart of hearts I want to believe it's just a coincidence, but I'm really thinking you have been here before using a different name.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 17:10

Hi Gary, well i ever came across an article that the Russians informed US that the calculated that an asteriod or comet will come to us in 2012 / 2013 but NASA claimed that it is way out of the trajectory, and when Russia wanted to send a team to try to deflect the object it was heavily stopped by the US, for me, yes there are many big powerful government around but it is the US government who everyone is looking upon to take a lead and say in most cases.

And well to be really honest i have never came onto this site before, this month is my recent mth adding to this site by the nick of AnxiousFear.

its fears that have been gribbing me lately, and once i read an article i just cant stop goggling for more and more and more… its easy to say to put a stop but its hard to not think abt it.

and apologies if i have in any way dis-credit anyone's information here.

i am in a confused whirl state of thoughts now.

snorks (guest) 16 May 2011 16:33

Why would the US gov't not tell us? After all the floods, they have been discussing where to flood and where not to flood. Outside of the affected areas, none of us would know except it has been reported.

Trust me, the U.S. gov't could try to hide stuff, and they have tried, BUT the REALLY IMPORTANT stuff always gets out. The Gov't is not a monolith but a group of squabbling departments and entities, all bent on turf wars. There are three entities that govern banks alone… and they can't agree on what is important all the time. Someone always leaks the info to someone else because they feel the need to. Things cannot be secret for very long.

Science is the exploration of the unknown, of the country of I don't know. People do look at these things you mentioned but since they are trained, they are not as sensational as a lay person who wants to excite people. Most of these claims come from lay people who know enough to be dangerous.

As for your fears, they have taken form in this way. Why - that is for a reliable doctor to discern. All we can do is tell you that your fears as expressed to us in your posts are groundless. But they are real to you so ask yourself, why is this important? Why think about these things?

As the rest of the folks have written, please seek professional help.

Astrogeek 16 May 2011 21:55

1. How can we believe the people who tells u to not believe in 2012 etc?

We provide links to sources. My advice is to check our sources and see if they agree with what we say.

2. How can we know the NASA or US government may not be hiding anything from us? If a asteroid or comet is heading from earth I believe they will not tell u the trajectory of the object to caused panic and chaos and send shuttle secretly to try and divert it's path and if all fails we die.

From an astronomical standpoint, there is no way that NASA or any other agency can hide something in the sky. Around the world, every night, amateur comet hunters haul out there equipment, hoping to be the next Leonid Elenin. An object like the ones proposed by the doomsayers would have been found long ago.

3. How can we know that all the pole shifting or whatever claims won't happen? Since we know some cities are buried under sea which means something must have happened in history beyond our scientific explanation?

"Pole Shifts" are generally nonsense. Check the links on the left.

4. The formulas and debunking are of no understanding to us in layman terms as some of us are not good in math, science, astronomy etc, how we know this site isn't just to debunk and help people calm their fears but yet it isn't true at all, the aim is to help ppl believe that nothing Js wrong but yet they are unsure of 2012 themselves?

For the claims of the doomsayers to be true would require the active participation of every amateur astronomer with a backyard telescope around the world, because they would all have to be convinced to 'keep quiet'. We are now at least two years past when the mysterious planet X should have shown up (10 years if you go by Nancy Lieder's original claims). Where is it?

5. If the US government wants to hide things from us, based on their powers do u think it's impossible? I am sure they knew alot but yet they have the power to keep everything unknown. Even If they knew a earth shifting calamity will happen by their scientist I am sure they won't share it with the public.

I am sure that if the U.S. Government wants to hide the blueprints to their newest stealth aircraft, they can do a pretty good job. I am also sure that it would be impossible for the U.S. Government to keep information that is generally available to anybody with a halfway decent telescope a 'secret'. No, I don't buy the argument that because the Government keeps some secrets that they can keep Planet X/Nibiru a secret.

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obaeyens 16 May 2011 17:19

A. One side they are saying doomsday catastrophe, end of the world etc etc etc
With so many formulas and claimed ancient evidence far beyond science

What is wrong with my formulas I provided here on this forum?
Are they not believable? Did you find errors in them?

AnxiousFear (guest) 16 May 2011 17:28

Hi obaeyens, i put it in a wrong way. Apologies to u.
What i try to mean is, you have put a formula calculating it, however to me (as i dont understand) wont be able to distinguish it from right or wrong.

And moreover of late, some detected planets can even spin backwards, as like one be spinning one way and the other orbiting exactly the other way, which is a crazy idea but yet it is discovered.
link: http://beta.news.yahoo.com/why-planets-spin-backward-132100765.html;_ylt=As5pqJeJVmQWEp_eb0CQOta1qHQA;_ylu=X3oDMTM5aXRzbDMyBHBrZwNiMDY4YzNjMS1kMjVhLTMxMzQtYWM4Ni1lOTRjY2U1NWZjOWMEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhVG9wU3RvcnkEdmVyAzFkYTg3N2YwLTdjOWItMTFlMC1iZWZkLTI0MTllYWQxMGI0Ng--;_ylg=X3oDMTFjN2RjMHJ2BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

It is what gave me the idea, scientist can provide all formulas and calculations but as always in future there are alot of almost-impossible but yet newly discovered truths that are found.

regards

3WMElliott 16 May 2011 17:48

With regards to extrasolar planets spinning 'the other way' to what you'd expect, turns out the reason why is pretty easy to understand and doesn't require a rewrite of celestial mechanics in this case.

The difference with 2012 is that in many claims, especially those concerning tangible objects like comets, planets, stars and so on, require the laws of physics to be broken just to be able to act the way proponents say they will act, if that makes sense. Whether complete or not, we have a clear enough understanding of those laws with relation to every claim about 2012 that there is no room for the claims to suddenly be correct, or for something to have been missed for so long and then pop into view or whatever.

obaeyens 17 May 2011 20:25

Hi obaeyens, i put it in a wrong way. Apologies to u.
What i try to mean is, you have put a formula calculating it, however to me (as i dont understand) wont be able to distinguish it from right or wrong.

So since you cannot distinguish if it is right or wrong that automatically means that any doomsdays maths is correct?

And moreover of late, some detected planets can even spin backwards, as like one be spinning one way and the other orbiting exactly the other way, which is a crazy idea but yet it is discovered.

And where exactly have we a planet that spin backwards in our solar system?

obaeyens 17 May 2011 20:31

Hi obaeyens, i put it in a wrong way. Apologies to u.
What i try to mean is, you have put a formula calculating it, however to me (as i dont understand) wont be able to distinguish it from right or wrong.

I am puzzled. How can you not distinguish my formulas from right or wrong?
I can understand that a 13 year old did not learn this in school yet but I really use very basic things anyone learns in school in physics class.
Most of it is even elementary school stuff like dividing a volume by a surfacing which gives a height as a result.
Or calculating the volume of a sphere…

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 20:55

Hi, I am not a fairly educated person who is well to get enough education till now. I am not embrasses to say I am bad at simple math and physics , I didn't get simple education to these I am sorry to hv upset u in anyway apologies.

And for the planet spinning I hv posted the link.
I am sorry again if I can't grasp any thing u try to put to me here.

obaeyens 17 May 2011 21:01

If you want to get rid off your fear then I really should advice you to learn a bit about physics. You really do not need much maths or physics to realize that it is all bunk that what the hoaxers claim.

Maybe ask a family member, I really mean it, a 15 year old kid can help you in this to confirm in what I put forward.

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 20:15

Hi all,

just that yes its the 'what if' mindset that keeps tingling me. its like what if nasa gave the wrong info on comet and everyone counting it to what information is given by nasa for etc?

i am sorry to have said all these and apologies if i upset anyone here.

rgds

obaeyens 17 May 2011 20:23

just that yes its the 'what if' mindset that keeps tingling me. its like what if nasa gave the wrong info on comet and everyone counting it to what information is given by nasa for etc?

How can NASA give wrong info if I can track it with my own telescope?
2 people here took images of it. The comet is spot on the expected coordinates.

3WMElliott 17 May 2011 20:33

As an extension of that, it wasn't even NASA that found it or first reported it. Just because NASA are the most well known space agency, doesn't mean they own space in any way.

obaeyens 17 May 2011 20:51

I agree.

Astrogeek 17 May 2011 21:30

AnxiousFear;

That's the difference between a 'phobia' (an unreasoning fear) and your regular old worrying and fear of reasonable things. Once it starts to control your life, you are letting it become a phobia. A phobia is not reasonable, by definition. Recognize that fact, and also recognize that addressing the thing you are afraid of is unlikely to resolve your phobia on its own. Phobias are weird in that once you get started down that path, it is easy to swap "fear of the end of the world" for "fear of meeting purple-skinned aliens" or something else entirely unreasonable. In other words, you are not really afraid of the end of the world, you are getting hooked on the adrenaline jolt you get from being afraid. This is why people like roller coasters, etc.

You have to address the phobia itself, recognize that it is unreasonable, and take steps to distract yourself with other tasks whenever you find yourself falling into it again. If you can't resolve your phobia on your own, or if it is severe and you are having thoughts of causing harm to yourself or others, then you need to be seen by a professional.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:34

Hi I will take ur advise but it's very hard seriously very hard it's like once the fear started in me I can't seem to let it go. Everyday I search and read for news of everything related to doomsday just to make sure no more new article is starting and thus making my anxiety grow again. I thank u astrogeek appreciates much for ur comment here thank u

Astrogeek 17 May 2011 21:55

ok, based on your last message, I have one piece of advice: Don't search for stuff about doomsday. Don't do it. It's all garbage anyway, but actively seeking it out is not doing you any good, and it is contributing to the problem!

Get a rubber-band, and wear it around one wrist. When you find yourself dwelling on this topic again, snap it and think "NO!" to yourself. Imagine yourself disciplining a dog or child… use the same mental 'tone'. If you find yourself searching for doomsday stuff online, do it twice! :-D

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AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:59

Hi I will try ur method as it seems that I have exhausted all my mean. I always tell myself not to but I just can't help it. Thank u in anyway

Astrogeek 17 May 2011 21:58

This site has some good advice on self-help for phobias: http://helpguide.org/mental/phobia_symptoms_types_treatment.htm

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AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 22:03

Thank u very much. I think I will classified mine as cosmophobia. I am afraid from planets,comets,asteroids,celestial bodies,storms,earthquakes so many other forms of disasters. But these are things that keeps getting reported and attention onto. Nevertheless I thank u once again

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 20:58

Hi I hv been reading and sourcing for sites on everything, some sites that made it so real with the own calculations formulas etc that for poorly educated people like me who will not understand to get entangled in it with some beliefs to the claims.

Thank u and apologies

Gary A 17 May 2011 21:05

some sites that made it so real with the own calculations

So your saying that if people throw numbers around that makes it credible? I still don't know what anyone here can tell you other than what has already been said. You seem obsessed with the notion that people here and at NASA are lying but random conspiracy theorists are pillars of society who know better than anyone else. Why?

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AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:15

Hi well in a way yes. As to me, a site that looks good with nicely written information and diagrams and has no links to selling anything at all I do take into a certain extent of beliefs. I am no gd in simple math and science the only thing I can do is understand English, u people have done a great job trying to explain to me but I am like believing from here and there and it makes me worrisome daily. I don't know what I am thinking I am in a confused state of mind. I am all confused. I really hate those people who posted links and sites and blogs and forums for all the doomsday which they make it look so real. Some are not for money I don't know their intentions but once I read such information on those sites I post and ask here to see what are everyone's opinion is.

obaeyens 17 May 2011 21:18

As to me, a site that looks good with nicely written information and diagrams and has no links to selling anything at all I do take into a certain extent of beliefs.

So you probably also buy anything that is promoted in advertising on TV and billboards because it is nice looking and well presented?

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:22

If it's within my means yes, I actually am quite simple minded.

JamesJJlm 17 May 2011 21:22

You don't need to be a good scientist to help yourself here. You just need common sense. What have doomsayers done in the past when their predictions don't happen? They find a way to make it work, or push the date back. They have said for the past 3 years that Niburu would be visible in the spring to the naked eye. Well, it still wasn't this year so they used Elinin. Now if you aren't good at science, then just ask this simple question, how many comets are found on average each year?

I think there were like 4 discovered last year? And 2 so far this year? This one is just as significant, if not less than the others. Its discovery was just well timed for the Niburu crowd when they realized their grab-bag was getting empty.

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:37

Hi I thought abt this before but again it's the "what if" this time is real? That's been bugging me. Thank u though for trying to make me see things in a diff light

jewels (guest) 17 May 2011 21:21

AnxiousFear….this all terribly bugs me also. A few months ago after having my fifth baby, my husband had to take me to emergency because I hadn't slept or eaten in two weeks because of this stuff. I was then put on antidepressants, antianxiety and antipsychotic meds! As well, I see a counselor. The meds have helped but mostly this site and the NASA site have helped the most. I am a totally normal person other then this terrible fear of 2012 (and May 21 2011 now). My fear became all encompassing and I couldn't do anything without it bothering me. I would look at my kids and cry because I would imagine them not growing up. I am an educated person but the end of the world was not something I covered in school! So many people on both sides seem so convincing but logically, the fact that this is all a scam makes more sense and all this debunking helps. God says nobody will know when the end will come and that is what gets me by. I was suicidal but have chosen to not let my life be ruled by this fear. My kids need me, my husband needs me, and my job needs me to be able to function. Hopefully on May 22, we can all breath a big sigh of relief…..and wait again until Dec 21, 2012 to pass!

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 21:30

Hi yes I believe I am in the same situation as hrs. Just that I can't afford to pay to see a doctor, and if I went to see a counselor or doctors such as a psychiatrist on my company's fund, my condition will likely be made known to my company as they will be footing for my bill. Which meant I can't see a doctor can't take any meds, I can say my only resolution is logging into here that often. I am like u, can't eat nor sleep but I can't only keep all these to myself. I am scare but I can only keep to myself it's very miserable and the dates which u are afraid of too. 21st may 2011, 21st oct 2011, 21 dec 2011… Why all link with the 21st also I don't know… Even dates when the comets and asteroids flyby I will take note, there are too many dates to terrify me terribly.

I pray And wish well for u and ur children and hopes everything pass without any bad happenings or signs

Moo (guest) 17 May 2011 22:09

Because I just said it a minute ago, I am saying it here.

Please, get off this website, get off the internet, get off your chair, get your keys (or another person to help), go outside, get in the car, and drive to a shrink's office.

Go.

The implications made during this entire thread suggest that this is far beyond what any skeptic can even begin to advise you, or anyone else with your state of mind, about.

Please, go. Go get help. Go. Get. Help.

You are not only endangering yourself for continually subjecting yourself to the internet, but you are endangering the people here who are sincere enough to attempt to help you. Their contribution, and potential failure, could lead to manslaughter charges.

Funny how the world works. Fail to help someone, suffer for it.

Regardless, get professional help. It will do you far more good then we could.

AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 22:11

Hi I am sorry to caused the inconvenience sorry.

TheGreatJuju 17 May 2011 22:31

Hi I am sorry to caused the inconvenience sorry.

Anxious, you haven't inconvenienced anyone. You're welcome to post here anytime, but I do think you should see a doctor if you're having problems like you have described. Us trying to talk science and common sense can only do so much if there's an underlying medical issue. Please consider it.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 17 May 2011 22:43

I will note ur advise. Seeing a doctor is not affordable by myself I can only do so if I go to my company doctor but it means that they will informed my company abt it which will affect everything at work which is judge at me. Nonetheless thank u very much I appreciate it alot

Gary A 17 May 2011 23:04

I understand there is a little stigma attached to this sort of thing, but what choice do you have? You can't live this way for the next year and a half, you will end up physically ill if your mind keeps suffering. How about seeing your company doctor and tell him/her about your lack of sleeping and eating. It's up to the doctor to make a diagnosis and isn't there such a thing as doctor patient confidentiality? There's a lot of advances have been made in medicine to treat anxiety or depression that won't necessarily have side effects that will affect your work, so I don't think the company doctor is under any obligation to inform the company. Of coarse you will know the procedures better than me, it is your company.

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Astrogeek 17 May 2011 23:31

AnxiousFear:

Do you live in the USA?

If so, consider the following:

1) The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) prohibits discrimination based on a mental illness.
2) Your "company doctor" is still bound by doctor-patient confidentiality.
3) The idea that there is this massive stigma attached to an anxiety disorder is probably more of your perception than it is reality.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 11:39

Hi unfortunately I don't live in the states I live in Singapore.
Though the doctor will keep my case from my employers however when my employers received a bill from medical as billed by a psychiatrist they will come to me and ask the problem even they can't get any information from my doctor.
That's the reason why I hesitate about going to a doctor.
I agree with u its my perception. When one ppl says about 2012 or even comets etc it doesnt matter, but when it became a global talk and discussion and with the increasing usage of the media such as the Internet being widely circulated it's inevitable of me to think in a paranoid way.

;)

Gary A 18 May 2011 11:58

Ok I'm not even going to try and say what the law is in Singapore, but if your company fired or disciplined you based on a mental health issue, I'm pretty sure that would be classed as discrimination. I'm afraid it's your only option, of coarse you can come here and ask as many questions as you like, but I have a feeling you don't trust us.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 12:24

Hi Gary yes it's a little difficult making a living here.
I wont start a topic on the order of work is like here but it isn't good for people with medical and health conditions.

Feeling that I don't trust the people here?
I agree with u I feel a little this way, first I give my appreciation in thanking to all the debunkers here but as for me to believe in the answers posted here , I do think about if it's true or not? Sorry to have said this, but i think it's my condition that always keep me thinking what if what if what if.

Gary A 18 May 2011 14:42

Ok anxious, I can't comment on your countries medical and employment status, I do hear what your saying. Ok, I'll try another tactic with you. What is your biggest fear about the end of the world. What is the thing you find to be the most plausible?

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AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 16:46

Hi gary thanks for yr help, really appreciate it.
The fear is having to die in a collision, tsunami and worst to be forever apart with my love ones. That's the biggest fear, sometimes someone is not afraid of death as much as being separated from their love ones forever.

And imaginary having to look into the sky or watch over the news that suddenly when u try to pull yrself up again there it goes with the breaking news.

21st may is approaching 21st oct is soon 21st dec is the worst of all. Having such a long time ahead till 2012 u never know what will happen , that's the lying fear in me, the what if question.

Thank Gary I appreciate ur attention on me , even if u r unable to help me I really do appreciate it.

Gary A 18 May 2011 17:18

no problem.

The fear is having to die in a collision

Assuming you mean an asteroid, comet or non existent planet, all I can do is say there's no need to worry about any collision with any of them any time soon. The skies are monitored constantly, there are literally thousands of amateur and professional astronomers looking up, hoping to discover the next object that would make them famous. There simply is no nibiru, planet x or whatever you want to call it, the evidence against it is staggering. Read the pages on all of these subjects on the page to the left, over and over if it helps.

tsunami

I can't tell you these won't happen, but what I will say is they can't be predicted and there's no reason to expect one anytime soon.

and worse to be forever apart with my loved ones

That's a general fear and I think most of us have that fear, and honestly it's not something anyone here can make you feel better about. However, there's no greater risk of it now, May 21st, October 21st or December 21st 2012 than there is at any other time. It's not going to happen just because some idiot tells you it is.

Try and calm down, your clearly in a high state of anxiety, and I'll tell you what I tell anyone in your situation.

1. You need to tell a doctor, if that's not an option for whatever reason, tell a close friend or trusted family member, talking face to face with someone you do trust really does help.

2. Stop looking at things that will scare you, you are adding fuel to an already burning fire and you need to stop feeding it, out of site out of mind is an old saying but again it does work.

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AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 18:18

Hi Gary i am trying to think healthy but the moment when i start i saw DD805 posting in 'comet elenin' thread that he found new data and source that something is wrong with comet elenin's info and perhaps the nasa is deliberating keeping something from us. now its always things like this happens and he sounds very genuine with legitimate claims and is researching. but thanks alot =)

Mephistospheles 18 May 2011 18:21

Just sit tight… soon Astrogeek will get more info. And prove it wrong (as usual).

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Our fears are more numerous than our dangers, and we suffer more in our imagination than in reality.

Alene Y 18 May 2011 18:42

Hi Anxious,
As Gary told you, the skies are monitored constantly by thousands of astronomers. Aside from meteorites, which hit us every day and cause no harm, there is no object on a collision course with Earth. No invisible planet, no asteroid, and no comet.

Of course there is always the possibility of an undersea earthquake causing a tsunami, just as there always has been. The likelihood of this happening is no greater in 2012 than any other year.

None of the dates you mentioned have any significance whatsoever. The claims of the rapture on May 21, the EOTW on October 21, and the EOTW again on December 21, 2012 have all been made up by crackpots and there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that they will be anything other than ordinary days.

You also included being separated forever from your loved ones as one of your greatest fears, yet you started this thread with a title indicating that you might have suicidal inclinations. I hope you realize that suicide, instead of solving that problem, would ensure that you would be forever separated those you love. It would also break their hearts. It isn't a solution, it makes certain that what you fear will actually happen.

I know you've said that you can't see a doctor for this without endangering your job, but surely you can see a doctor for anxiety problems without discussing the 2011/2012 nonsense. Many people suffer from anxiety and are treated for it. That doesn't mean that they are mentally ill. I highly recommend that you see a doctor about your anxiety.

AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 19:33

Hi Alene,

i have the thought of suicide as to stop all these negative thoughts which made me so miserably yet what only holding me back was my love ones. that i cant bear to be seperated from them.

after reading on and on, i am trying to get back with my life, then just 5 mins which i decided so, in the 'comet elenin' thread again, dd805 posted a thought of comet elenin is a deliberate wrong info given by nasa and the government, and its again another conspiracy, the 'what if' anxiety just suddenly like an adrenaline shot back into my mind again.

but thank u for ur kind attention on me, appreciate it.

obaeyens 18 May 2011 20:05

If a kid is yelling that the sky is falling, do you actually believe such a kid?
I think that dd805 is just a kid.

Moo (guest) 17 May 2011 23:48

I'll clarify. I didn't mean stop posting here entirely. I simply meant get off the website to go get help. If you can't afford a doctor, well… I have one last piece of advice to give.

Get over it. That's all you can do now. Get over it.

AnxiousFear (guest) 18 May 2011 11:40

I note what you said thank u.

Gary A 19 May 2011 09:51

Hi anxious, try this site to help you understand your anxiety and maybe help deal with it
http://m.wikihow.com/Deal-With-Anxiety

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AnxiousFear (guest) 19 May 2011 19:11

Hi thank u Gary ;)